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(Al Jazeera)   Abu Zubaydah wanted to 'bring America to its knees' after 9/11, did not plan enough to realize the TSA can cup your balls while you're still standing up   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 58
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2013-11-13 12:47:13 PM
Perhaps not in the sense that he wanted, but it could certainly be argued that they were somewhat successful. TSA, NSA spying, the Patriot Act, needless wars, Obamacare, torture, indefinite detention, DHS, etc

/well, maybe not all of those
 
2013-11-13 12:53:14 PM
9/11 definitely changed things up around here, but bring America to its knees? Not hardly.
 
2013-11-13 01:25:21 PM
www.cocoaosx.com
 
2013-11-13 01:41:41 PM
I don't care if I'm molested at the airport, I just really hate waiting in long lines.

/YRLY.
//Fully realize I'm in the minority in saying that.
 
2013-11-13 01:47:34 PM
Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.
 
2013-11-13 01:49:17 PM

gopher321: Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.



Do eeeeeeet!

/Coworker who sits next to me is into that God-awful show.
//Told her that I wished they all came down with the Ebola Virus.
 
2013-11-13 02:13:04 PM
Oh yeah, this is why we have RomneyCare... Riiiiiiiight.
 
2013-11-13 02:18:05 PM

The_Sponge: gopher321: Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.


Do eeeeeeet!

/Coworker who sits next to me is into that God-awful show.
//Told her that I wished they all came down with the Ebola Virus.


This.  That.  And that again.

The mere fact that they have a show is proof that the terrorists have won.
 
2013-11-13 02:19:01 PM
He's such a sensitive guy... He writes a journal. *sigh*
Why are all the good ones married or locked up in Guantanamo.
 
2013-11-13 02:20:20 PM

special20: Oh yeah, this is why we have RomneyCare... Riiiiiiiight.


The intent behind ACA is noble; but, the law is absolute trash. It's going to take years, if not decades, to fix it so normal people aren't quite so screwed.

/ personally, I think if Obama really wanted to make healthcare more affordable; the only real way, that won't take decades, would be to nationalize/threaten to nationalize the healthcare industry.
 
2013-11-13 02:22:08 PM
This is utter and complete bullshiat from the Jump

Zuybaydah was not "one of the highest-value detainees in Guantanamo Bay" nor was he as George Bush Claimed " a Mastermind plotting to attack America"

He WAS with Al-Qaeda basically as  "A travel agent"  arranging flights for leader's wive and girlfriends.  What he also was, is seriously mentally Ill.  They talk of Obtaining a diary of his, the Question is "from which of his personalities"   you see, as the FBI figured out, long before the CIA started torturing Zubaydah, he suffered from multiple personality disorder, and had three distinct personalities, one of whom was a 12-year old girl, and all of whom kept diaries.


Every plot Zuybaydah revealed under torture in 2004 turned out to be complete fantasy,  but that didn't stop police from wasting  thousands of man hours checking out the literal ravings of a madman.  But then, since 04 was an election year, constantly raising the terror alert level based on his fantasies was probably the point of the exercise
 
2013-11-13 02:22:59 PM

iheartscotch: special20: Oh yeah, this is why we have RomneyCare... Riiiiiiiight.

The intent behind ACA is noble; but, the law is absolute trash. It's going to take years, if not decades, to fix it so normal people aren't quite so screwed.

/ personally, I think if Obama really wanted to make healthcare more affordable; the only real way, that won't take decades, would be to nationalize/threaten to nationalize the healthcare industry.


This.
 
2013-11-13 02:24:29 PM
Forcing people to buy health insurance by law is neither affordable nor is it going to provide quality healthcare for the masses. Its a shiat law, written by shiatheads, enforced by shiatheels, and will result in nothing but shiat for the healthcare industry in this country. But what does that have to do with terrorism?
 
2013-11-13 02:26:46 PM

iheartscotch: / personally, I think if Obama really wanted to make healthcare more affordable; the only real way, that won't take decades, would be to nationalize/threaten to nationalize the healthcare industry.



He tried. The response was the formation of the tea party.
 
2013-11-13 02:27:15 PM

kbronsito: He's such a sensitive guy... He writes a journal. *sigh*
Why are all the good ones married or locked up in Guantanamo.


Here's what Peter Suskind wrote about this diary nearly 7 years ago in his expose "the 1 percent solution":

"CIA and FBI analysts, poring over a diary he kept for more than a decade, found entries "in the voice of three people: Hani 1, Hani 2, and Hani 3" -- a boy, a young man and a middle-aged alter ego. All three recorded in numbing detail "what people ate, or wore, or trifling things they said." Dan Coleman, then the FBI's top al-Qaeda analyst, told a senior bureau official, "This guy is insane, certifiable, split personality."
 
2013-11-13 02:28:48 PM

gopher321: Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.


You want to bring America to its knees? I can do it with 20 guys.

Hit a mall food court, a high school, a hospital, a library, a church, a McDonald's, a grocery store, a Wal-Mart, a gas station, a Holiday Inn, a movie theater... and so on.

Ignore New York City and DC. Go to places like Peoria, Omaha, Tulsa, Plano, Birmingham, Macon...

Do it all in one day, in as close to the same hour as possible. Make it very obvious that they're coordinated.

Make Middle America feel unsafe when they're doing the their Middle American things. This country would lose its ever-loving mind.
 
2013-11-13 02:31:13 PM

iheartscotch: special20: Oh yeah, this is why we have RomneyCare... Riiiiiiiight.

The intent behind ACA is noble; but, the law is absolute trash. It's going to take years, if not decades, to fix it so normal people aren't quite so screwed.

/ personally, I think if Obama really wanted to make healthcare more affordable; the only real way, that won't take decades, would be to nationalize/threaten to nationalize the healthcare industry.


I'm all for private insurance, private healthcare - so long as the shiat isn't mandated. I wanted the single payer plan, and of course, the option to carry on with private insurance, private care if wanted. I'd rather see there be a national health care system that had some meaning to the working, and poor. National health could strengthen the tax base by keeping people healthy enough to work more often instead of getting sick, going into huge debt, or worse - not being able to afford care until they get wheeled into the ER and die there.. which means no more income tax, etc., from that individual. The lobbyists won on this "ObamaCare" garbage. The GOP won. The American people lost, and speculatively, so did technological advancement in health care treatment.
 
2013-11-13 02:32:55 PM
Why is everyone discussing healthcare in here when we should be talking about how much fun it is to say the guys name really fast?

Especially to a baby.

Abuzabaydah! Abuzabaydah! Abuzabaydah! Coochie coochie coo! Abuzabaydah!

/Giggle
 
2013-11-13 02:33:48 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Perhaps not in the sense that he wanted, but it could certainly be argued that they were somewhat successful. TSA, NSA spying, the Patriot Act, needless wars, Obamacare, torture, indefinite detention, DHS, etc

/well, maybe not all of those


One of these things is not like the others...
 
2013-11-13 02:33:49 PM
If good smoke were legal, no one would care about this.
 
2013-11-13 02:34:20 PM
Hey, assholes.
Just shoot this motherfarker in the head and never mention his shiatty name again.
I'll let the filter clean this up.
 
2013-11-13 02:37:00 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Perhaps not in the sense that he wanted, but it could certainly be argued that they were somewhat successful. TSA, NSA spying, the Patriot Act, needless wars, Obamacare,

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And just HOW did 9-11 result in ObamaCare (and why would ObamaCare be a bad thing?)?
 
2013-11-13 02:38:33 PM

the ha ha guy: iheartscotch: / personally, I think if Obama really wanted to make healthcare more affordable; the only real way, that won't take decades, would be to nationalize/threaten to nationalize the healthcare industry.


He tried. The response was the formation of the tea party.


I don't remember him trying that. And didn't the tea party start before he was elected? He could do it; what's the worse thing that could happen? He's pretty much impeachment proof; the dems would never stand for it, and nobody wants Biden as POTUS. Plus, a move like that might gain him the support of moderate republicans.

/ I may be wrong; but, I don't think that ACA had anything to do with lowering medical costs. I think it had more to do with requiring everyone to buy insurance.
 
2013-11-13 02:43:57 PM

Dick Gozinya: Forcing people to buy health insurance by law is neither affordable nor is it going to provide quality healthcare for the masses.



Is it more affordable for people to be canceled as soon as they sneeze? Is it more affordable for people to be forever blacklisted from all but the most expensive policies because they had a minor infection when they were two years old?

Before Obamacare, the cheapest health insurance policy I could find was $2000/mo. Within a few months of obtaining that insurance, I was dropped for "preexisting condition", and told I needed a $4000 plan instead. I did manage to keep it at $2000 through a series of legal threats, but their payment rate was 50/50 at best.

With Obamacare, my plan costs $600, co-pays are in the tens of dollars rather than tens of thousands, and (so far) the insurance company hasn't rejected even one claim.

So I agree with you completely, Obama had absolutely no right to ever force me into a plan where my healthcare costs are lower than my income. He had no right to demand that my insurance company provide the service I pay them for. He had no right to challenge the industry that was trying to take my home to cover bills that I legally did not owe. Clearly Obamacare is a violation of my freedom to die in poverty with several million dollars of medical debt, and I shall fight to the death to retake that freedom, no matter how long Obama tries to keep me alive.
 
2013-11-13 02:45:30 PM

Gonz: gopher321: Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.

You want to bring America to its knees? I can do it with 20 guys.

Hit a mall food court, a high school, a hospital, a library, a church, a McDonald's, a grocery store, a Wal-Mart, a gas station, a Holiday Inn, a movie theater... and so on.

Ignore New York City and DC. Go to places like Peoria, Omaha, Tulsa, Plano, Birmingham, Macon...

Do it all in one day, in as close to the same hour as possible. Make it very obvious that they're coordinated.

Make Middle America feel unsafe when they're doing the their Middle American things. This country would lose its ever-loving mind.


This
 
2013-11-13 02:47:17 PM

the ha ha guy: Dick Gozinya: Forcing people to buy health insurance by law is neither affordable nor is it going to provide quality healthcare for the masses.


Is it more affordable for people to be canceled as soon as they sneeze? Is it more affordable for people to be forever blacklisted from all but the most expensive policies because they had a minor infection when they were two years old?

Before Obamacare, the cheapest health insurance policy I could find was $2000/mo. Within a few months of obtaining that insurance, I was dropped for "preexisting condition", and told I needed a $4000 plan instead. I did manage to keep it at $2000 through a series of legal threats, but their payment rate was 50/50 at best.

With Obamacare, my plan costs $600, co-pays are in the tens of dollars rather than tens of thousands, and (so far) the insurance company hasn't rejected even one claim.

So I agree with you completely, Obama had absolutely no right to ever force me into a plan where my healthcare costs are lower than my income. He had no right to demand that my insurance company provide the service I pay them for. He had no right to challenge the industry that was trying to take my home to cover bills that I legally did not owe. Clearly Obamacare is a violation of my freedom to die in poverty with several million dollars of medical debt, and I shall fight to the death to retake that freedom, no matter how long Obama tries to keep me alive.


Yeah, but you're just one person. What about the tens of millions of people who will surely face egregious financial hardship due to this "law"?

/Sorry, I think my computer was hacked by a Tea Partier
 
2013-11-13 02:53:38 PM

special20: iheartscotch: special20: Oh yeah, this is why we have RomneyCare... Riiiiiiiight.

The intent behind ACA is noble; but, the law is absolute trash. It's going to take years, if not decades, to fix it so normal people aren't quite so screwed.

/ personally, I think if Obama really wanted to make healthcare more affordable; the only real way, that won't take decades, would be to nationalize/threaten to nationalize the healthcare industry.

I'm all for private insurance, private healthcare - so long as the shiat isn't mandated. I wanted the single payer plan, and of course, the option to carry on with private insurance, private care if wanted. I'd rather see there be a national health care system that had some meaning to the working, and poor. National health could strengthen the tax base by keeping people healthy enough to work more often instead of getting sick, going into huge debt, or worse - not being able to afford care until they get wheeled into the ER and die there.. which means no more income tax, etc., from that individual. The lobbyists won on this "ObamaCare" garbage. The GOP won. The American people lost, and speculatively, so did technological advancement in health care treatment.


I agree; healthcare insurance should never be a requirement.

Personally; I think it should have been a specific insurance plan that every company had to offer to every person; regardless of age, gender, previous medical issues and current medical issues. No one could be kicked off of this plan; the plan would cover every required medical procedures, such as: emergency surgery, transplants, ect; but, wouldn't cover elective surgery, like nose jobs, excepting where the patient required reconstructive surgery after an accident.

I agree that one accident shouldn't bankrupt an entire family. I also agree that the lobbyists won on this one. I'm not so sure that the GOP won on this one; if they won, why are they fighting against it so hard?

/ most big retailers are no longer hiring full time and the few full timers left are being systematically eliminated
 
2013-11-13 02:57:25 PM

gopher321: Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.


I read that in Arnold Schwarzenegger's voice.
 
2013-11-13 02:58:23 PM

Gonz: gopher321: Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.

You want to bring America to its knees? I can do it with 20 guys.

...


I think I just heard someone ringing your doorbell...and there's a armored vehicle on your lawn.
 
2013-11-13 03:00:41 PM

Magorn: kbronsito: He's such a sensitive guy... He writes a journal. *sigh*
Why are all the good ones married or locked up in Guantanamo.

Here's what Peter Suskind wrote about this diary nearly 7 years ago in his expose "the 1 percent solution":

"CIA and FBI analysts, poring over a diary he kept for more than a decade, found entries "in the voice of three people: Hani 1, Hani 2, and Hani 3" -- a boy, a young man and a middle-aged alter ego. All three recorded in numbing detail "what people ate, or wore, or trifling things they said." Dan Coleman, then the FBI's top al-Qaeda analyst, told a senior bureau official, "This guy is insane, certifiable, split personality."


did the CIA have to waterboard all 3 personalities?
 
2013-11-13 03:01:06 PM

iheartscotch: I'm not so sure that the GOP won on this one; if they won, why are they fighting against it so hard?


Because they hate Obama, and they don't want anything that might turn out to be popular associated with him.  McConnell admitted himself that it would be impossible to repeal Obamacare in a few years because people would like it too much.
 
2013-11-13 03:02:30 PM

illannoyin: Why is everyone discussing healthcare in here when we should be talking about how much fun it is to say the guys name really fast?

Especially to a baby.

Abuzabaydah! Abuzabaydah! Abuzabaydah! Coochie coochie coo! Abuzabaydah!

/Giggle


images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-11-13 03:05:08 PM

HMS_Blinkin: iheartscotch: I'm not so sure that the GOP won on this one; if they won, why are they fighting against it so hard?

Because they hate Obama, and they don't want anything that might turn out to be popular associated with him.  McConnell admitted himself that it would be impossible to repeal Obamacare in a few years because people would like it too much.


Imagine how much they would love nationalized healthcare
 
2013-11-13 03:07:29 PM

iheartscotch: I'm not so sure that the GOP won on this one; if they won, why are they fighting against it so hard?


They're just running up the score?

/Not what I actually believe
 
2013-11-13 03:10:20 PM

machoprogrammer: HMS_Blinkin: iheartscotch: I'm not so sure that the GOP won on this one; if they won, why are they fighting against it so hard?

Because they hate Obama, and they don't want anything that might turn out to be popular associated with him.  McConnell admitted himself that it would be impossible to repeal Obamacare in a few years because people would like it too much.

Imagine how much they would love nationalized healthcare


I'd love that.  But we're at least 10 years away.
 
2013-11-13 03:13:01 PM

the ha ha guy: Dick Gozinya: Forcing people to buy health insurance by law is neither affordable nor is it going to provide quality healthcare for the masses.


Is it more affordable for people to be canceled as soon as they sneeze? Is it more affordable for people to be forever blacklisted from all but the most expensive policies because they had a minor infection when they were two years old?

Before Obamacare, the cheapest health insurance policy I could find was $2000/mo. Within a few months of obtaining that insurance, I was dropped for "preexisting condition", and told I needed a $4000 plan instead. I did manage to keep it at $2000 through a series of legal threats, but their payment rate was 50/50 at best.

With Obamacare, my plan costs $600, co-pays are in the tens of dollars rather than tens of thousands, and (so far) the insurance company hasn't rejected even one claim.

So I agree with you completely, Obama had absolutely no right to ever force me into a plan where my healthcare costs are lower than my income. He had no right to demand that my insurance company provide the service I pay them for. He had no right to challenge the industry that was trying to take my home to cover bills that I legally did not owe. Clearly Obamacare is a violation of my freedom to die in poverty with several million dollars of medical debt, and I shall fight to the death to retake that freedom, no matter how long Obama tries to keep me alive.


I understand what you're saying - I really do.  But that's one side of the story.  My side of the story is that I'm a healthy person.  I don't smoke, I don't drink a lot, in the last 10 years I have only need to go to the doctor once per year and that's for a voluntary full physical because my Dad died at 59 from a massive heart attack and my Mom was adopted (so what I know scares me and what I don't know scares me even more).  I had a great choice of 7 plans through work.  I picked a good one.  As of January 1st, work will only offer two plans.  One is bad and the other is even worse and they both cost me more than my current plan for significantly less coverage.  The open market isn't an option because it's even more expensive in my situation.

I'm honestly glad that the situation has improved for you.  What was happening to you wasn't reasonable.  But covering those who cost companies a lot of money comes at a price to those who don't cost insurance companies a lot of money.  It has always been this way, but it will be even worse now, at least in my situation.
 
2013-11-13 03:18:01 PM

HMS_Blinkin: iheartscotch: I'm not so sure that the GOP won on this one; if they won, why are they fighting against it so hard?

Because they hate Obama, and they don't want anything that might turn out to be popular associated with him.  McConnell admitted himself that it would be impossible to repeal Obamacare in a few years because people would like it too much.


Mr. McConnell is right. After a few years of eating it; some people would crave bullshiat. Frankly, as it stands, ACA is a lobbyist's wet dream and screws over the little guy. Some parts are good; I do like the part where insurance companies from the coast have to compete with lower prices in the Midwest. But, until we fix the law, no one working retail/food service will work full time. It's cheaper for the company to hire more part timers, than to provide insurance to full timers.
 
2013-11-13 03:18:52 PM

The_Sponge: I don't care if I'm molested at the airport, I just really hate waiting in long lines.

/YRLY.
//Fully realize I'm in the minority in saying that.


No shiat. If I could just be allowed to walk through naked in an express lane I would. The lines are long because everyone is busy stripping right before the checkpoint, futzing around with crap in their pockets, and slinging car-seats around. I spend my time in line getting my shoes, belt, etc. off so I'm ready to go. I get stuck behind the ass-hat who's surprised he has to take his shoes off, then goes back because he forgot his belt, then gets reminded about the change in his pocket.

You folks know the procedure already, be ready before you get to the damn conveyor.

/nekkid lanes would save money and dignity
 
2013-11-13 03:21:09 PM
Oh, and, Thanks Obama!
 
2013-11-13 03:33:41 PM
Where Muslim terrorists miscalculate in "bringing America to its knees" is in their choice of targets. They go for splashy, high-casualty events, which while horrific for the people on the receiving end, don't amount to any appreciable drag on our power or economy. It would be much more hurtful to us if they went after things like refineries, pipelines, the power grid, food and drug distribution (by selectively contaminating things, for example, to erode confidence in those products), etc. Thankfully they haven't figured this out yet, or if they have, still prefer killing as many people as possible over actually causing us longer-lasting damage. For our part, we need to start fixing whatever is creating these homicidal nutcakes, rather than playing an eternal game of whack-a-mole by droning a few members of their leadership. Even if we got every single one of their leaders, there'd be a fresh crop by the next day. My take is that, among other things, our foreign policy is making key governments question the value and longevity of our 'friendship' and causing them to cut deals with the bad actors to buy peace at home, regardless of what that means for the rest of the world.
 
2013-11-13 03:35:12 PM

Gonz: gopher321: Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.

You want to bring America to its knees? I can do it with 20 guys.

Hit a mall food court, a high school, a hospital, a library, a church, a McDonald's, a grocery store, a Wal-Mart, a gas station, a Holiday Inn, a movie theater... and so on.

Ignore New York City and DC. Go to places like Peoria, Omaha, Tulsa, Plano, Birmingham, Macon...

Do it all in one day, in as close to the same hour as possible. Make it very obvious that they're coordinated.

Make Middle America feel unsafe when they're doing the their Middle American things. This country would lose its ever-loving mind.


And the next day every single firearm owner in the country would be packing heat.
 
2013-11-13 03:35:19 PM

iheartscotch: the ha ha guy: iheartscotch: / personally, I think if Obama really wanted to make healthcare more affordable; the only real way, that won't take decades, would be to nationalize/threaten to nationalize the healthcare industry.


He tried. The response was the formation of the tea party.

I don't remember him trying that. And didn't the tea party start before he was elected? He could do it; what's the worse thing that could happen? He's pretty much impeachment proof; the dems would never stand for it, and nobody wants Biden as POTUS. Plus, a move like that might gain him the support of moderate republicans.

/ I may be wrong; but, I don't think that ACA had anything to do with lowering medical costs. I think it had more to do with requiring everyone to buy insurance.


Those two things are directly related. The problem was catastrophic health care costs for uninsured people, who couldn't afford insurance or couldn't get it because of preexisting medical conditions. The only way to make insurance affordable for everyone is to force the younger, healthier people who don't think they don't need it to sign up. Also, to require that insurance actually cover something, unlike those super-cheap "insurance" policies that some people have that cover the first $50 in expenses and nothing else.

The ACA theoretically helps contain medical costs by encouraging preventive health care, but those are pretty squishy numbers. But it definitely helps end the problem of people being bankrupted when they get sick, and having to go on Medicaid or get only acute emergency care.
 
2013-11-13 03:37:43 PM

TV's Vinnie: Peter von Nostrand: Perhaps not in the sense that he wanted, but it could certainly be argued that they were somewhat successful. TSA, NSA spying, the Patriot Act, needless wars, Obamacare,
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And just HOW did 9-11 result in ObamaCare (and why would ObamaCare be a bad thing?)?


Did you not see my slashie?
 
2013-11-13 03:38:22 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: Gonz: gopher321: Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.

You want to bring America to its knees? I can do it with 20 guys.

Hit a mall food court, a high school, a hospital, a library, a church, a McDonald's, a grocery store, a Wal-Mart, a gas station, a Holiday Inn, a movie theater... and so on.

Ignore New York City and DC. Go to places like Peoria, Omaha, Tulsa, Plano, Birmingham, Macon...

Do it all in one day, in as close to the same hour as possible. Make it very obvious that they're coordinated.

Make Middle America feel unsafe when they're doing the their Middle American things. This country would lose its ever-loving mind.

And the next day every single firearm owner in the country would be packing heat.


Yeppers.
 
2013-11-13 03:40:20 PM

Gonz: gopher321: Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.

You want to bring America to its knees? I can do it with 20 guys.

Hit a mall food court, a high school, a hospital, a library, a church, a McDonald's, a grocery store, a Wal-Mart, a gas station, a Holiday Inn, a movie theater... and so on.

Ignore New York City and DC. Go to places like Peoria, Omaha, Tulsa, Plano, Birmingham, Macon...

Do it all in one day, in as close to the same hour as possible. Make it very obvious that they're coordinated.

Make Middle America feel unsafe when they're doing the their Middle American things. This country would lose its ever-loving mind.


That's been done before. And we just shrug and move on. The reason it won't happen is that there aren't 20 real jihadi terrorists IN the U.S. There are some ITGs posting on websites, monitored by the FBI, and that's about it. When they get a little too passionate about it, the FBI sets them up with a fake bomb and busts them.
 
2013-11-13 03:40:39 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: Gonz: gopher321: Want to bring America to its knees? Cancel the Kardashians.

You want to bring America to its knees? I can do it with 20 guys.

Hit a mall food court, a high school, a hospital, a library, a church, a McDonald's, a grocery store, a Wal-Mart, a gas station, a Holiday Inn, a movie theater... and so on.

Ignore New York City and DC. Go to places like Peoria, Omaha, Tulsa, Plano, Birmingham, Macon...

Do it all in one day, in as close to the same hour as possible. Make it very obvious that they're coordinated.

Make Middle America feel unsafe when they're doing the their Middle American things. This country would lose its ever-loving mind.

And the next day every single firearm owner in the country would be packing heat.


One of the things I find interesting about the Middle East and terrorism is that suicide bombings in cafes or markets that kill dozens of people happen on a semi-regular basis. If 50 Americans were killed at a mall and then two weeks later 50 more Americans were killed at a different mall, no one in America would ever go to a mall again. They'd all close up and be out of business by the end of the month.
 
2013-11-13 03:56:57 PM

vento: I understand what you're saying - I really do.  But that's one side of the story.  My side of the story is that I'm a healthy person.  I don't smoke, I don't drink a lot, in the last 10 years I have only need to go to the doctor once per year and that's for a voluntary full physical because my Dad died at 59 from a massive heart attack and my Mom was adopted (so what I know scares me and what I don't know scares me even more).  I had a great choice of 7 plans through work.  I picked a good one.  As of January 1st, work will only offer two plans.  One is bad and the other is even worse and they both cost me more than my current plan for significantly less coverage.  The open market isn't an option because it's even more expensive in my situation.


This is happening all over the country -- shiathead employers are balking at the idea of offering coverage for employees who need it. Insurance companies would LOVE it if they only had to cover healthy people, of course.

I'm honestly glad that the situation has improved for you.  What was happening to you wasn't reasonable.  But covering those who cost companies a lot of money comes at a price to those who don't cost insurance companies a lot of money.  It has always been this way, but it will be even worse now, at least in my situation.

...but that's the inescapable nature of insurance, you collectivize risk. You seem to have a problem with  insurance, and I'd agree, that's why we need single payer. Nobody needs insurance, everybody needs healthcare, and your health is NOT a free market commodity. If you suddenly got liver failure, would you really shop around for the best-priced liver?
 
2013-11-13 03:57:58 PM

Magorn: Zuybaydah was not "one of the highest-value detainees in Guantanamo Bay" nor was he as George Bush Claimed " a Mastermind plotting to attack America"


There were no high value detainees in Guantanmo Bay, it was all a Bush delusion.
 
2013-11-13 04:33:40 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Magorn: Zuybaydah was not "one of the highest-value detainees in Guantanamo Bay" nor was he as George Bush Claimed " a Mastermind plotting to attack America"

There were no high value detainees in Guantanmo Bay, it was all a Bush delusion.


IF you read Suskind's book (which on several other counts was completely verified) he says that Zubaydah became a "High-Value Detainee" after Bush trumpeted his capture in a speech labeling him a terrorist mastermind.   When the CIA reported back to him that instead he was a mentally ill nobody Bush reportedly replied " I said he was important, you aren't going to make me lose face on this are you"  and then a Minute later, apropos of nothing "Do these 'enhanced interrogation techniques' really work?"  essentially personally ordering the torture of Zuybaydah
 
2013-11-13 04:40:33 PM
"America made preparations, close to a world war"


Dude was no student of history.  I don't think he has any concept of what total mobilization means in the context of an industrialized society.
 
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