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(Opposing Views)   Forget for a moment that this cop fired 41 times at an unarmed man sitting in a pickup truck that was stuck between two police cars. Let's consider for a moment the fact that 38 of those shots missed   (opposingviews.com) divider line 97
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2013-11-13 10:14:24 AM  
10 votes:
Put cameras on every last one of them.
2013-11-13 10:25:13 AM  
8 votes:
"More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"

Welcome to any time prior to dashboard cams...
2013-11-13 10:45:30 AM  
6 votes:

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


No.

This guy, therefore something seriously wrong with the way cops are hired, trained, and retained.
2013-11-13 10:39:26 AM  
6 votes:
Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people.  Who are the real terrorists?

http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civili an s-since-911/172029/
2013-11-13 09:52:58 AM  
5 votes:
At least this idiot got fired and charged.
2013-11-13 11:41:21 AM  
4 votes:
skozlaw


This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


www.upl.co
www.upl.co

7 triggermen (murderers)

Dozens lied to cover up

Thousands (from multiple departments) lined the street calling them heroes.


Not all, but not "one bad apple" by any farking means.
2013-11-13 02:41:12 PM  
3 votes:

CruiserTwelve: JohnnyC: How is it manslaughter? Shouldn't that be a murder charge instead? Isn't "manslaughter" when you accidentally kill someone? Somehow firing 41 shots (with no returned fire) constitutes accidentally killing him.

Murder requires premeditation. Manslaughter isn't necessarily accidental, it's just a killing done "in the heat of passion" or without premeditation. Basically a killing based on emotion and not as a result of preplanning and with criminal intent.


Here's your premeditation:  Stopping to reload the gun.

And then firing at least another 20 shots into an unarmed, trapped, non-responsive person sitting in a stopped car.

At the very least, shot number 41 had 40 shots of preplanning and, arguably, passed the line into criminal intent.

Especially for a police officer.
2013-11-13 11:04:32 AM  
3 votes:
The police need to be recorded every single second they are on duty.  Internal Affairs needs to be replaced with a civilian oversight commission.  The thin blue line must be destroyed.
2013-11-13 10:51:04 AM  
3 votes:

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


How many times does it have to happen before we are allowed to notice a pattern?
2013-11-13 10:50:39 AM  
3 votes:

PsyLord: FTA: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm. Three of those shots hit Allen, killing him. But 38 of Tuter's shots missed their target.

That's because cops are crappy shooters and are not even within the same league as your average CCW holder.

/amirite?


Now better, that's for certain. Of course, if a cop can't manage a single unarmed man with only 10 rounds, why are we demanding people in self-defense situations be limited to 10?
2013-11-13 03:51:47 PM  
2 votes:
With marksmanship like that, I think he ought to be charged for attempting to murder everyone else in the vicinity.
2013-11-13 02:13:40 PM  
2 votes:

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Unfortunately, they somehow only charged him with manslaughter.


Because it's important to hold cops to a lower standard than the rest of us little people.
2013-11-13 01:16:04 PM  
2 votes:

CruiserTwelve: Did you notice that you're posting in a thread based on a story where a cop WAS "arrested and charged just like everybody else?"


If a regular person shoots at someone 41 times and murderers them in the middle of the street in front of witnesses the safe money is they won't be charged with just manslaughter.
2013-11-13 11:54:30 AM  
2 votes:
Not expecting much of a welcome here, but. . .

I am a LEO, been on the force for a little over 2 years now.   I'm with a small police department in a small semi-rural town.  We've never had an officer-involved shooting, and the number of times officers have even had to draw their guns is pretty small.  No, we don't have tasers (no budget for them).

I just had my annual weapon qualification a couple of weeks ago.

In case you were wondering what an actual weapon marksmanship standard is (at least the one I have to shoot) for comparison:

Weapon is a Glock 22, aiming at a human silhouette target (with the head and upper torso area outlined).  Hits on the target are 1 point, hits in the head/upper torso vitals area are worth 2 points.

50 rounds.

First table of fire is a 10 round magazine, from 15 yards.  Draw the weapon and fire all 10 rounds in 60 seconds.
Second is another 10 round magazine, from 15 yards.  Draw the weapon and fire all 10 rounds in 45 seconds.
Third is another 10 round magazine, again from 15 yards.  Draw the weapon and fire all 10 rounds in 30 seconds.
Fourth is a 14 round magazine, from 7 yards.  Draw the weapon and fire a controlled pair into the target in 6 seconds.  Repeat this 7 times.
Fifth is a 6 round magazine, from 7 yards.  Draw the weapon and fire two rounds into the chest and one round into the head.  Repeat twice.

To qualify, you have to get at least 70 points, with at least 1 headshot.

I shot a 77.  49 of the 50 rounds hit the target, with 2 headshots (i.e. both attempts).

By policy no official record of score is kept though, for legal reasons.  The reasoning was explained to me that if you are a really hot shot and get into a shooting, someone could sue saying "you're such a great shot, why didn't you try to "shoot to wound", or shoot the gun out of his hand. . ." and if you're a marginal shot they could sue saying you're such a poor marksman that the reason the person is now in paralyzed was you couldn't even shoot to kill (in other words, whatever you do, a lawyer will use it against you, so no record is kept other than passing the minimum mandated standard).

By policy you have 3 tries to qualify before you have to be relieved of your weapon (and your peace officer status would be under review for failure to qualify, in other words your job would be in serious danger).  In practice over 90% of officers qualify the first time, and the other 10% qualify the second time.  I've never seen anybody fail more than once.

I know some agencies/departments around here make it more difficult by requiring multiple consecutive qualifications to count.  That means you'd have to shoot that course, then do it again a second time, or even a third time, and need the consecutive passing scores to stay qualified.

Not exactly super-marksmanship, but it means you can reliably hit and incapacitate a human target at the normal range a police officer would encounter a criminal at.
2013-11-13 11:39:53 AM  
2 votes:

skozlaw: These threads are NEVER about the actual abuses that are occurring, they're just biatch fests from losers who had run-ins with cops because they were doing stupid shiat and they want to whine about the chips on their shoulders.
Farkers seem to have a very hard time distinguishing between cops in riot gear with heavy armaments that kick in a door and shoot the dog in the face because some guy was smoking dope in his living room and the time they got stopped on the sidewalk because they were stumbling around drunk.


Doubtful. You know why I hate cops? Because when I was afraid for my life, the cops in my little tiny town, who knew me personally, covered up domestic abuse, deleted 911 calls, harassed me, threatened to have my dog killed, and threw away a police report where they documented that my ex was beating on me, right in front of the police station.

This all happened before I joined the Fark hate train. I really had no opinion about police in general, until I saw for myself what a bunch of lying, abusive, cowardly assholes a lot of them are.
2013-11-13 11:28:15 AM  
2 votes:

FTFA:

The other officer at the scene fired no shots and actually took cover behind his squad car as Tuter continued to pump bullets at the immobilized pickup truck.


I notice none of his accomplices are being charged. If this wasn't a government criminal all parties in accessory would be facing the same murder rap.

Also note that none of his coconspirators tried to stop him from committing murder.

... but he's the "one bad apple" amirite?!
2013-11-13 11:20:35 AM  
2 votes:

Slaves2Darkness: Yes, yes it seems like a lot of bullets missed, except when you factor in he was using a pistol, was jumped up on adrenaline, and the guy had partial cover.

Anybody who has never fired a gun, much less a pistol, in a life or death situation where your adrenaline is making your heart want to come out of your chest and your hands are shaky would say that 41 round with 38 missing is bad marksmanship.

Any body who has is surprised seven of those rounds from a pistol found their mark. There is a reason the Army spends a lot of time teaching people how to shoot and how to act calmly under very scary conditions. There is also a reason they use automatic weapons, because pretty much humans suck at shooting when scared or excited and more lead toward the bad guys is better than less.


If you carry a gun, I hope your marksmanship is better than your math.
2013-11-13 11:06:31 AM  
2 votes:

PsyLord: That's because cops are crappy shooters and are not even within the same league as your average CCW holder.


This is a pretty common theme, but I do have anecdotal evidence that some of the law enforcement in my area are not actually that bad at shooting.

My range's last USPSA match of the year was last weekend, and someone persuaded a whole contingent of LEO's to stop by and shoot it with us.  They did not do too poorly, in fact some of them were reasonably competitive in their divisions.  I had been all spun up to chortle to myself about how terrible the professionals were, and I was pleasantly surprised.

Marcus Aurelius: Put cameras on every last one of them.


It seems like this should be easy to market to the cops themselves.  "Are you tired of being dragged up on bs he-said/she-said accusations of brutality ect, well our patented tamper-free wearable camera system will provide you with unimpeachable record of your behavior."  It would only work for the relatively honest ones, but in spite of fark hate, I think there is still a majority of cops who do their jobs professionally.  (Or at least, every single one that I have encountered in my region)
2013-11-13 11:00:28 AM  
2 votes:

knobmaker: skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.

No.

This guy, therefore something seriously wrong with the way cops are hired, trained, and retained.


Cops are like politicians, the ones who really want the job are the ones you really don't want to have the job.
2013-11-13 10:56:23 AM  
2 votes:

the_foo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

If the police have to come and get you, they're bringin an ass-whoopin with them.

Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified, but I'm sick of TFAs switching straight into "poor innocent victim" mode. (Oh, he has kids? So does, like,  everybody). Why was he running from the cops again? "Allen had pending charges of evading arrest, drug possession and assault at the time of his death." (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/tag/michael-vincent-allen/ ) Half hour chase exceeding 100MPH? Don't give me this bullshiat like he was some upstanding citizen minding his own business. The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.


Perhaps he knew enough about the local Police department to understand that if they caught him, he was a dead man no matter what.
2013-11-13 10:54:00 AM  
2 votes:

the_foo: Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified


Also, the other cop on the scene didn't fire a single shot.  That's probably a pretty good indication for you.
2013-11-13 10:52:23 AM  
2 votes:

Lost Thought 00: So he stopped to reload 3 times?


Seriously. This cop needs to do some serious hard time.
FFS - his fellow cops were hiding in fear of their life.
2013-11-13 10:48:37 AM  
2 votes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

If the police have to come and get you, they're bringin an ass-whoopin with them.

Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified, but I'm sick of TFAs switching straight into "poor innocent victim" mode. (Oh, he has kids? So does, like,  everybody). Why was he running from the cops again? "Allen had pending charges of evading arrest, drug possession and assault at the time of his death." (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/tag/michael-vincent-allen/ ) Half hour chase exceeding 100MPH? Don't give me this bullshiat like he was some upstanding citizen minding his own business. The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.
2013-11-13 10:39:48 AM  
2 votes:
He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.
2013-11-13 10:36:28 AM  
2 votes:
He was mad wasn't he?

Got wonder if the other officer who had to take cover behind his car to keep from getting hit by this idiot was screaming for him to stop shooting the whole time.
2013-11-13 10:34:32 AM  
2 votes:
So he stopped to reload 3 times?
2013-11-14 01:23:25 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: Murder requires premeditation.

2013-11-13 03:23:20 PM  
1 votes:

PunGent: And in most civilized jurisdictions, stopping to reload, then opening fire again, all without being in a life-threatening situation, is plenty of time, legally speaking, to form the premeditated intent necessary to bump the charge up from manslaughter


I was taught the same thing.  Never reload, and your first words to the cops are "I was in fear for my life".
2013-11-13 03:22:22 PM  
1 votes:

alice_600: cryinoutloud: skozlaw: These threads are NEVER about the actual abuses that are occurring, they're just biatch fests from losers who had run-ins with cops because they were doing stupid shiat and they want to whine about the chips on their shoulders.
Farkers seem to have a very hard time distinguishing between cops in riot gear with heavy armaments that kick in a door and shoot the dog in the face because some guy was smoking dope in his living room and the time they got stopped on the sidewalk because they were stumbling around drunk.

Doubtful. You know why I hate cops? Because when I was afraid for my life, the cops in my little tiny town, who knew me personally, covered up domestic abuse, deleted 911 calls, harassed me, threatened to have my dog killed, and threw away a police report where they documented that my ex was beating on me, right in front of the police station.

This all happened before I joined the Fark hate train. I really had no opinion about police in general, until I saw for myself what a bunch of lying, abusive, cowardly assholes a lot of them are.

You know that sounds very delusional right?


If this happened in the county that I believe it happened in, not only is it not delusional, but pretty goddamned common. I'm guessing in a county in extreme Northern California (no I'm not stalking you, cryinoutloud, you mentioned living there once and I'm from up the road 20 miles or so) where both the Sheriff Department and the local police are primarily good-ol'-boy networks. I hope it wasn't there, but I'd totally not be surprised.
2013-11-13 03:16:31 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: JohnnyC: How is it manslaughter? Shouldn't that be a murder charge instead? Isn't "manslaughter" when you accidentally kill someone? Somehow firing 41 shots (with no returned fire) constitutes accidentally killing him.

Murder requires premeditation. Manslaughter isn't necessarily accidental, it's just a killing done "in the heat of passion" or without premeditation. Basically a killing based on emotion and not as a result of preplanning and with criminal intent.


And in most civilized jurisdictions, stopping to reload, then opening fire again, all without being in a life-threatening situation, is plenty of time, legally speaking, to form the premeditated intent necessary to bump the charge up from manslaughter.

And no, your own ricochets don't count towards making the situation life-threatening...


/likes good cops
//despises incompetent trigger happy assholes, whether or not they're wearing a badge.
2013-11-13 03:14:27 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: budrojr: Considering the extreme number of shots fired and the fact that he had to reload at least once, if not 3 times to fire that many, the heat of the moment really doesn't explain his actions.  I think they're letting him off easy intentionally so as to make a show that they're doing  something about the guy, but know it's going to result in nothing that will ultimately hurt him that much in the long run.  It's like they're going to have to punish him, but are making it as light as possible.  Increasing his bail really doesn't do anything worse to him either.  He's going to get off very lightly or walk completely after all the evidence is lost, eyewitness accounts are dealt with, and several years pass so people forget about it before it goes to trial.

He's not charged with murder because his actions don't constitute the necessary elements of murder. His actions obviously make you angry, but that doesn't change the law. Also, your assumptions about what's going to happen in the future doesn't change the facts of the case.


The fact that I have an opinion about this that differs from yours does not mean in any way, shape, or form that I'm emotionally invested in this or angry about it.  My opinion is that he is getting special treatment due to his status as a police officer (hence the singular manslaughter charge with no additional charges instead of murder and a wagonload of additional ancillary charges).

I disagree with you and hold that what he did should be construed as murder.  Look up the law in Texas where that's concerned.  He knowingly and intentionally caused the death of another person (he fired 41 shots, it's not like he didn't know what would happen), and/or intended to cause serious bodily injury while committing an act that was clearly dangerous to human life and this act caused the death of an individual.  Manslaughter only requires that his actions were reckless and caused a death.  What he did went beyond reckless and was way out of line with what was expected for the situation.  He could try the heat of passion defense, but if I were on the jury I wouldn't be buying it.  He should have started out being charged with murder, then defended or pleaded down to manslaughter.  Manslaughter would be appropriate if he had fired a warning shot or two which ricocheted into his head, killing the driver.  This cop wasn't just reckless, he was murderous.
2013-11-13 03:02:19 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: SpectroBoy: So the other cops took NO ACTION to protect and serve the guy in the truck. No attempt to stop the shooting while in progress.

There was only one other cop at the scene. What would you have him do? Seriously, what could the other cop have done to stop this shooting in progress?

And.....

So after they were forced to hide from a gun-crazy fellow cop they STILL decided to get together and lie and claim that the dead victim rammed the cop car.

They lied? Where does it say the other cops lied? In fact, where does it say there were any more than one other cop at the scene? More likely the other cop at the scene testified against the shooter which is why he was indicted.

Get your facts straight.


If they had to rely on the video camera to get the correct story, that means the other cop lied or omitted relevant data.

As far as what the other cop could have done? Well, lets assume a cop came across me unloading a glock into a truck with someone inside it. What do you think he would do?
2013-11-13 02:50:07 PM  
1 votes:

lennavan: AFKobel: lennavan: This text is now purple: Silverstaff: n case you were wondering what an actual weapon marksmanship standard is (at least the one I have to shoot) for comparison:

Weapon is a Glock 22, aiming at a human silhouette target (with the head and upper torso area outlined). Hits on the target are 1 point, hits in the head/upper torso vitals area are worth 2 points.

50 rounds.

First table of fire is a 10 round magazine, from 15 yards. Draw the weapon and fire all 10 rounds in 60 seconds.
Second is another 10 round magazine, from 15 yards. Draw the weapon and fire all 10 rounds in 45 seconds.
Third is another 10 round magazine, again from 15 yards. Draw the weapon and fire all 10 rounds in 30 seconds.
Fourth is a 14 round magazine, from 7 yards. Draw the weapon and fire a controlled pair into the target in 6 seconds. Repeat this 7 times.
Fifth is a 6 round magazine, from 7 yards. Draw the weapon and fire two rounds into the chest and one round into the head. Repeat twice.

To qualify, you have to get at least 70 points, with at least 1 headshot.

I shot a 77. 49 of the 50 rounds hit the target, with 2 headshots (i.e. both attempts).

By policy no official record of score is kept though, for legal reasons.

So when I subpoena your employment records, and you can't prove you passed the marksmanship standard, what do you think I'm going to do to you on the stand?

Well counselor, how did you get to the courthouse today?  You drove?  Let me see your score.  You don't have your score?  Well then how do I know you passed the driving standard?

How did you manage to get his attorney on the stand?

The same way he managed to assert a LEO can't prove he passed the marksmanship standard.  I defiance of all logic, I imagined it to be true.


I get it, but his comment was in response to one individual's comment about how no record of the score was kept.   The response to no record of the score being kept, is, something along the lines of, "that doesn't mean no record of pass/fail wasn't kept, based on the score."

Comparing someone being unable to produce their score, after discovery request, to someone being asked, on the spot, to produce their automobile licensing testing results, is, in a word, ludicrous.
2013-11-13 02:47:39 PM  
1 votes:
He should just say that he thought it was his taser and he'd pulled his gun by mistake. That worked for some subway cop who shot some poor slob who was already handcuffed and face down on the ground. Seems like authority is an antidote for just punishment.
2013-11-13 02:14:14 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: JohnnyC: How is it manslaughter? Shouldn't that be a murder charge instead? Isn't "manslaughter" when you accidentally kill someone? Somehow firing 41 shots (with no returned fire) constitutes accidentally killing him.

Murder requires premeditation. Manslaughter isn't necessarily accidental, it's just a killing done "in the heat of passion" or without premeditation. Basically a killing based on emotion and not as a result of preplanning and with criminal intent.


Considering the extreme number of shots fired and the fact that he had to reload at least once, if not 3 times to fire that many, the heat of the moment really doesn't explain his actions.  I think they're letting him off easy intentionally so as to make a show that they're doing  something about the guy, but know it's going to result in nothing that will ultimately hurt him that much in the long run.  It's like they're going to have to punish him, but are making it as light as possible.  Increasing his bail really doesn't do anything worse to him either.  He's going to get off very lightly or walk completely after all the evidence is lost, eyewitness accounts are dealt with, and several years pass so people forget about it before it goes to trial.
2013-11-13 02:07:36 PM  
1 votes:

Another Government Employee: Assuming you did not do it, how would you feel to know that who did would never see the inside of a courtroom? (And assuming you aren't an "eye for an eye" vigilante.)


If you're a family member, you're one of the first people they are going to gun for.  Better to lawyer up immediately.
2013-11-13 01:57:41 PM  
1 votes:

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.

The other officer at the scene fired no shots and actually took cover behind his squad car as Tuter continued to pump bullets at the immobilized pickup truck.


So the other cops took NO ACTION to protect and serve the guy in the truck. No attempt to stop the shooting while in progress.

And.....

Originally, police claimed that Allen rammed Tuter's vehicle. But dashboard cam video showed that the reverse was actually the case.

So after they were forced to hide from a gun-crazy fellow cop they STILL decided to get together and lie and claim that the dead victim rammed the cop car.

Yeah.... one bad apple my arse.
2013-11-13 01:53:41 PM  
1 votes:

Another Government Employee: So, what happens if you HAVE to engage with the police? Say, a family member is murdered?


You have the right to remain silent.
2013-11-13 01:50:51 PM  
1 votes:

"More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"


i2.wp.com

2013-11-13 01:43:56 PM  
1 votes:

jaybeezey: AgentPothead: You guys can only play the, but all cops aren't like this only a few are, card before it starts to make you look like an idiot.

Yet people still point out that only 1% of muslims are "extrmists".

Either a group represents the whole or it doesn't.

I'll let you choose.


Your point has merit.

Or at least it will when we have a nationwide structure of gun-toting Muslims entrusted to protect us, operating outside the laws we are expected to live under, with proven abuses against American citizens being revealed weekly.
2013-11-13 01:30:37 PM  
1 votes:
"For only the second time in 17 years, a Dallas County, Tex.,  grand jury has indicted a police officer...."  FTA


Trust me. That number needs to be at least QUADRUPLED. Annually. Just here in the Dallas/FT. Worth "Metroplex" area alone. However, Garland is well known for having the worst cops in Dallas county. Plano and Richardson cops are assholes but way WAY less trigger happy.

I hope this is the same Garland pig who killed my friend's dog recently.
2013-11-13 01:00:29 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: QFT. When a cop commits a criminal act, even in the line of duty, he should be arrested and charged like anybody else - if that simple idea was consistently and immediately applied, at all times, I guarantee the esteem in which people hold cops would jump upwards overnight.

Imagine it. Instead of having cops lie, cheat, and steal to protect each other, even at the expense of the lives of other people, cops would hold each other to the same standard that they're supposed to be upholding. Whistleblowers would be celebrated for maintaining the ethical integrity of law enforcement. Cops that positively support and uphold the law, even amongst themselves, would live by example and improve the community as a whole, instead of treating themselves as separate from the community and maintaining a militarized "us vs. them" mentality.

Did you notice that you're posting in a thread based on a story where a cop WAS "arrested and charged just like everybody else?"


Well I wouldn't say he was arrested and charged just like everyone else.  Everyone else would have had about 40 charges dumped on them in addition to 2nd degree murder or something more serious than manslaughter.
2013-11-13 12:43:51 PM  
1 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: At least this idiot got fired and charged.


QFT. When a cop commits a criminal act, even in the line of duty, he should be arrested and charged like anybody else - if that simple idea was consistently and immediately applied, at all times, I guarantee the esteem in which people hold cops would jump upwards overnight.

Imagine it. Instead of having cops lie, cheat, and steal to protect each other, even at the expense of the lives of other people, cops would hold each other to the same standard that they're supposed to be upholding. Whistleblowers would be celebrated for maintaining the ethical integrity of law enforcement. Cops that positively support and uphold the law, even amongst themselves, would live by example and improve the community as a whole, instead of treating themselves as separate from the community and maintaining a militarized "us vs. them" mentality.
2013-11-13 12:26:54 PM  
1 votes:

alice_600: Madbassist1: alice_600: Well what do you want me to do now? I can't go back in time and correct it? I can't say "bad cops, no biscut!" I can't hate the cops they saved me from a mother who tried to kill me when she didn't want me to go into my Dad's custody.

You can admit you're biased and too obstinate to change your position.

As long as you admit that you are the same.


I'm not. I've never had a bad experience with a cop. Been railroaded by the courts before, but not cops.

I just have eyes and can see. My opinions are not pre-formed. Read my post about the cop who murdered the poor bastard in the wheel chair. Here in Houston, thats just another day. Cops kill about 20-30 a year down here. I don't talk to them.
2013-11-13 12:25:09 PM  
1 votes:

alice_600: elysive: cryinoutloud: skozlaw: These threads are NEVER about the actual abuses that are occurring, they're just biatch fests from losers who had run-ins with cops because they were doing stupid shiat and they want to whine about the chips on their shoulders.
Farkers seem to have a very hard time distinguishing between cops in riot gear with heavy armaments that kick in a door and shoot the dog in the face because some guy was smoking dope in his living room and the time they got stopped on the sidewalk because they were stumbling around drunk.

Doubtful. You know why I hate cops? Because when I was afraid for my life, the cops in my little tiny town, who knew me personally, covered up domestic abuse, deleted 911 calls, harassed me, threatened to have my dog killed, and threw away a police report where they documented that my ex was beating on me, right in front of the police station.

This all happened before I joined the Fark hate train. I really had no opinion about police in general, until I saw for myself what a bunch of lying, abusive, cowardly assholes a lot of them are.

I've never had a bad experience with a cop, but we give them way too much authority and far too little oversight. Is anyone really surprised when shiat like this happens and their buddies (including judge and lawyer coworkers) get them off the hook? I dont hate cops but I am sickened by what the institution of law enforcement has become.

/never had a bad experience with TSA either but I actually do hate them

The problem though with domestic abuse cases is sometimes it can be hard to prove who was doing the hitting and provoking the hitting. There are some cases where it's he said, she said. There are some women's shelters who demonize men to the point where you feel you have to abort your next kid if he's male because he'll just rape all day long.

The shelter I worked at pissed me off to the point I quit because their program didn't empower and teach women how to protect their children. I ...



Yeah, why can't you just tell all those domestic violence victims that their stories are completely delusional like you want to?  God! It's like they don't even want you to help!
2013-11-13 12:24:59 PM  
1 votes:

skozlaw: Running around screaming that you hate the cops and they're all pigs and they're all out to get you and terrorists and blah blah blah isn't going to accomplish shiat except getting reasonable people to ignore you and deaden them on the issue, guaranteeing the problem is NEVER addressed.


Hey for the record (and I know you arent addressing me directly here), U dont hate cops, I dont think they're pigs and terrorists. But if you willingly choose to keep company with people who can kill you on a whim with no repercussions, when you cannot deal the same hand. You're just a farking fool.

/Cops also lie. All the time. Read any number of police reports. They all read the same because cops use the same phrasing that they know justify their actions.

/yeah its anecdotal,

//its farking evidence no matter how much you wish it weren't
2013-11-13 12:10:32 PM  
1 votes:

alice_600: cryinoutloud: skozlaw: These threads are NEVER about the actual abuses that are occurring, they're just biatch fests from losers who had run-ins with cops because they were doing stupid shiat and they want to whine about the chips on their shoulders.
Farkers seem to have a very hard time distinguishing between cops in riot gear with heavy armaments that kick in a door and shoot the dog in the face because some guy was smoking dope in his living room and the time they got stopped on the sidewalk because they were stumbling around drunk.

Doubtful. You know why I hate cops? Because when I was afraid for my life, the cops in my little tiny town, who knew me personally, covered up domestic abuse, deleted 911 calls, harassed me, threatened to have my dog killed, and threw away a police report where they documented that my ex was beating on me, right in front of the police station.

This all happened before I joined the Fark hate train. I really had no opinion about police in general, until I saw for myself what a bunch of lying, abusive, cowardly assholes a lot of them are.

You know that sounds very delusional right?


In a thread where a cop is facing charges for killing a guy, you're doubting her story of cops...not killing someone?

???

The farking FBI was helping criminals murder our fellow citizens not all that long ago...why would you assume she's delusional about some podunk cops acting in a chickenshiat manner?

/I'm fine with good cops.
//drop the hammer on the bad ones.
2013-11-13 12:02:47 PM  
1 votes:

alice_600: cryinoutloud: skozlaw: These threads are NEVER about the actual abuses that are occurring, they're just biatch fests from losers who had run-ins with cops because they were doing stupid shiat and they want to whine about the chips on their shoulders.
Farkers seem to have a very hard time distinguishing between cops in riot gear with heavy armaments that kick in a door and shoot the dog in the face because some guy was smoking dope in his living room and the time they got stopped on the sidewalk because they were stumbling around drunk.

Doubtful. You know why I hate cops? Because when I was afraid for my life, the cops in my little tiny town, who knew me personally, covered up domestic abuse, deleted 911 calls, harassed me, threatened to have my dog killed, and threw away a police report where they documented that my ex was beating on me, right in front of the police station.

This all happened before I joined the Fark hate train. I really had no opinion about police in general, until I saw for myself what a bunch of lying, abusive, cowardly assholes a lot of them are.

You know that sounds very delusional right?


That is precisely what the way they want you to see it. The first move of ant predator is to discredit and/or disable the victim.
it warms my heart to see independent thinkers like yourself regurgitating this Bullsh*t.
Carry on good citizen!
2013-11-13 11:57:29 AM  
1 votes:

AgentPothead: You guys can only play the, but all cops aren't like this only a few are, card before it starts to make you look like an idiot.


Yet people still point out that only 1% of muslims are "extrmists".

Either a group represents the whole or it doesn't.

I'll let you choose.
2013-11-13 11:52:29 AM  
1 votes:

the_foo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

If the police have to come and get you, they're bringin an ass-whoopin with them.

Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified, but I'm sick of TFAs switching straight into "poor innocent victim" mode. (Oh, he has kids? So does, like,  everybody). Why was he running from the cops again? "Allen had pending charges of evading arrest, drug possession and assault at the time of his death." (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/tag/michael-vincent-allen/ ) Half hour chase exceeding 100MPH? Don't give me this bullshiat like he was some upstanding citizen minding his own business. The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.


So, summary execution then?
Is that what's right here?
2013-11-13 11:51:17 AM  
1 votes:

Voiceofreason01: Marcus Aurelius: Put cameras on every last one of them.

TASER has a personal video recorder meant to be worn by law enforcement but for some reason it's being adopted more slowly by police departments than their other products.


It's no fun electrocuting people when it can get you in trouble.
2013-11-13 11:50:10 AM  
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: skozlaw: These threads are NEVER about the actual abuses that are occurring, they're just biatch fests from losers who had run-ins with cops because they were doing stupid shiat and they want to whine about the chips on their shoulders.
Farkers seem to have a very hard time distinguishing between cops in riot gear with heavy armaments that kick in a door and shoot the dog in the face because some guy was smoking dope in his living room and the time they got stopped on the sidewalk because they were stumbling around drunk.

Doubtful. You know why I hate cops? Because when I was afraid for my life, the cops in my little tiny town, who knew me personally, covered up domestic abuse, deleted 911 calls, harassed me, threatened to have my dog killed, and threw away a police report where they documented that my ex was beating on me, right in front of the police station.

This all happened before I joined the Fark hate train. I really had no opinion about police in general, until I saw for myself what a bunch of lying, abusive, cowardly assholes a lot of them are.


I've never had a bad experience with a cop, but we give them way too much authority and far too little oversight. Is anyone really surprised when shiat like this happens and their buddies (including judge and lawyer coworkers) get them off the hook? I dont hate cops but I am sickened by what the institution of law enforcement has become.

/never had a bad experience with TSA either but I actually do hate them
2013-11-13 11:47:03 AM  
1 votes:

Slaves2Darkness: Anybody who has never fired a gun, much less a pistol, in a life or death situation where your adrenaline is making your heart want to come out of your chest and your hands are shaky would say that 41 round with 38 missing is bad marksmanship.


I've never fired in a life or death situation, but (as a pistol instructor) I'd still say that missing ~93% of your shots is a bad score.  If you shoot that poorly, then your training was inadequate for the circumstances in which you were expected to perform.
2013-11-13 11:45:22 AM  
1 votes:

Magorn: skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.

Not all cops, just the VAST majority of them.  I've worked with many cops over my professional career, sometimes on their side, sometimes against them.  I've gotten to know many of them personally and consider some to be my friends.  Nonetheless I know exactly zero cops who haven't committed perjury (we call it "testilying" in the bidness),, violated people's civil rights, or intentionally covered up for a dirty cop at the expense of innocent civilians


Your anonymous unsourced claim is just that, but it helpfully illstrates the REAL problem: that there seem to be few to no enforcable and measurable standards that can be leveraged to find and eliminate dirtbags like this guy until it's too late.

Pity so many are busy whining about their personal grudges instead of contacting legislatures and local government leaders.
2013-11-13 11:44:39 AM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Put cameras on every last one of them.


TASER has a personal video recorder meant to be worn by law enforcement but for some reason it's being adopted more slowly by police departments than their other products.
2013-11-13 11:43:38 AM  
1 votes:

Biff_Steel: Marcus Aurelius: Put cameras on every last one of them.

LOL remember that incident in PG county MD where seven police cruisers responded to a scene and the suspect somehow got beaten to a pulp? Turns out, somehow, all seven dash cam "malfunctioned." What are the odds?


CSB: In my county, the cameras on officers and car cams save all their data to a central hard disk in the cruiser, and the hd is changed out at the end of each shift. However, the officers were never taught that you can't eject the hd while the write light was on the device. Over 80% hd failure for over a year, before the software developer said, "Who taught you guys how to use the tech?" After a full administration of blank stares, they began training the officers on the tech they were using. One year later, they still had a 25% failure rate which, years later, is still considered acceptable. Their tech officer has never had a computer class or certification in his lifetime, having learned all he knows from his home computer which is not even running the same OS as his office PC. I've been told this is incredibly common in the police tech industry.
2013-11-13 11:40:22 AM  
1 votes:
Remember the cop who killed the double amputee for recklessly brandishing a ball point pen? Apparently the wheelchair was coming right at him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/brian-claunch-houston-shot- ma tthew-marin-police-cleared-disabled-amputee_n_4218889.html

I do not engage with the police, and I tell my children not to engage with the police.
2013-11-13 11:34:43 AM  
1 votes:

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


Not all cops, just the VAST majority of them.  I've worked with many cops over my professional career, sometimes on their side, sometimes against them.  I've gotten to know many of them personally and consider some to be my friends.  Nonetheless I know exactly zero cops who haven't committed perjury (we call it "testilying" in the bidness),, violated people's civil rights, or intentionally covered up for a dirty cop at the expense of innocent civilians
2013-11-13 11:32:56 AM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Put cameras on every last one of them.


LOL remember that incident in PG county MD where seven police cruisers responded to a scene and the suspect somehow got beaten to a pulp? Turns out, somehow, all seven dash cam "malfunctioned." What are the odds?
2013-11-13 11:32:33 AM  
1 votes:

the_foo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

If the police have to come and get you, they're bringin an ass-whoopin with them.

Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified, but I'm sick of TFAs switching straight into "poor innocent victim" mode. (Oh, he has kids? So does, like,  everybody). Why was he running from the cops again? "Allen had pending charges of evading arrest, drug possession and assault at the time of his death." (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/tag/michael-vincent-allen/ ) Half hour chase exceeding 100MPH? Don't give me this bullshiat like he was some upstanding citizen minding his own business. The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.


The inverse of that statement is true, also. Victim blaming isn't any more righteous than criminal defending, ya know. He wasn't innocent, but he should not have been killed, and definitely not shot at forty-one farking times.
2013-11-13 11:31:25 AM  
1 votes:
Bam! Bam! Bam!

!www.quickmeme.com
2013-11-13 11:23:24 AM  
1 votes:

sirgrim: RedPhoenix122: Wrong subby, he hit with all 41 shots, just not the intended target.  All bullets gotta end up somewhere.

Which is the definition of missing.


When you fire 41 shots, you're not missing anymore, you're causing collateral damage, including possibly hitting bystanders.  This is why you don't fire 41 shots, you make sure you hit you're f-ing target.  People who spray and pray piss me off.
2013-11-13 11:22:23 AM  
1 votes:

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


Well, this guy plus the other cops who lied about it minus all the cops who stepped forward to tell the truth...

Therefore all cops.
2013-11-13 11:22:04 AM  
1 votes:

Carousel Beast: Apparently, facts aren't your strong suit.


Apparently, you don't give a shiat about accountability.  At least other people do.
2013-11-13 11:21:15 AM  
1 votes:

Slaves2Darkness: a life or death situation


for the guy he murdered, sure...
2013-11-13 11:11:15 AM  
1 votes:

FilmBELOH20: FarkedOver: Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people.  Who are the real terrorists?

http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civili an s-since-911/172029/

People who use bullshiat statistics?  FTFA: ~~Though the U.S. government does not have a database collecting information about the total number of police involved shootings each year, it's estimated that between 500 and 1,000 Americans are killed by police officers each year.

For the record, I think this cop belongs in the "pig" category and should spend the rest of his life behind bars.


Because police departments are not required to do so!

We can just take their word on it that they are doing a fine upstanding job.
2013-11-13 11:09:58 AM  
1 votes:

skozlaw: Notice how CATO, however, doesn't run around pretending that EVERY cop is like this. Because that doesn't help. Because it's not true.


So you're being a big crybaby over hyperbole because you wanted to defend the cops. Gotcha.
2013-11-13 11:08:09 AM  
1 votes:

FarkedOver: Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people.  Who are the real terrorists?

http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civili an s-since-911/172029/


People who use bullshiat statistics?  FTFA: ~~Though the U.S. government does not have a database collecting information about the total number of police involved shootings each year, it's estimated that between 500 and 1,000 Americans are killed by police officers each year.

For the record, I think this cop belongs in the "pig" category and should spend the rest of his life behind bars.
2013-11-13 11:07:10 AM  
1 votes:
Police and judges need mandatory maximum sentences. It's their job to know better.
2013-11-13 11:06:23 AM  
1 votes:

generallyso: How should they write about a deceased person who hadn't done anything to warrant being deceased?


They might try some nuance.
2013-11-13 11:05:53 AM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Put cameras on every last one of them.


GPS too
2013-11-13 11:03:22 AM  
1 votes:

alice_600: and thank you for your common sense


You might wanna go... learn. Just plain learn. You seem to be in need of it.
2013-11-13 11:02:54 AM  
1 votes:
"Who's driving shooting at the car, Stevie Wonder??"
2013-11-13 11:02:26 AM  
1 votes:

Ned Stark: skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.

How many times does it have to happen before we are allowed to notice a pattern?


Patronizing people with illogical bullshiat is his profession.

He's a lawyer.
2013-11-13 11:02:21 AM  
1 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: At least this idiot got fired and charged.


I won't consider it over until he's taking blah weenor up the hiney in the prison shower every night. This creep might still get to walk free.
2013-11-13 11:01:21 AM  
1 votes:

mediablitz: "More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"

Welcome to any time prior to dashboard cams...


This is soon going to be a major problem for the police and courts. Stories of incidents where police are shielded from their abuse of power are no longer confined to friends and family of the victims but can get national attention, and there is no shortage of then. If they keep this up for much longer the public will have virtually no faith in the police either on patrol or when they testify in the courtroom.

All for the sake of protecting cops who abuse their power and break the law.
2013-11-13 10:58:14 AM  
1 votes:
When groups like CATO say that cops are the problem, then you know that cops are the problem.
2013-11-13 10:58:11 AM  
1 votes:
If you're a cop that was actually fired (and not just given a two month paid vacation).......

When you're indicted by a Grand Jury...............

When you're held at an unusually high bail....................

All while in TEXAS................


OooooooBOY, did you ever F up if even Texans think that was a bit excessive, Officer Oink!
2013-11-13 10:58:00 AM  
1 votes:

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


Why didnt the other cops shot him? Tase him?
In no universe was this cop anything other than a MAD DOG shooting at an innocent civilian.
If the person shooting the gun was a CIVILIAN, the other cops would have put him DOWN.

So yes, all cops are bad until they stop cops like this in the act of shooting innocent civilians.
/no, he was innocent until proven guilty.

Ned Stark: How many times does it have to happen before we are allowed to notice a pattern?

This

Snarcasm: The charge is just manslaughter, but I wonder why there are not 50 addon charges.
Perjury, official oppression, vandalism, reckless discharge,


Funny how cops get a pass on piling on charges. Why is that?

Gecko Gingrich: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.


He is only being charged with manslaughter, so no death penalty.
2013-11-13 10:57:28 AM  
1 votes:

the_foo: The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.


It's a good thing nobody is claiming that, then.
2013-11-13 10:54:31 AM  
1 votes:

the_foo: FarkedOver: Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

/How long you been on the force Officer Friendly?

Yo Cheech, the utter failure that is the war on drugs does nothing to validate your 5,000 killed by cops number. Certainly they've killed innocent people before, but your source is crap.


Hey John Law, if you read the article:

Because individual police departments are not required to submit information regarding the use of deadly force by its officers...

Maybe we need more accountability for these meatheads that are given guns and badges.
2013-11-13 10:53:50 AM  
1 votes:
Manslaughter?
30.media.tumblr.com
2013-11-13 10:53:19 AM  
1 votes:

Gecko Gingrich: If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times.


Three times with a ten round clip and starting with one round chambered, which suggests he only stopped reloading when he ran out of clips.
2013-11-13 10:52:28 AM  
1 votes:

FarkedOver: Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

/How long you been on the force Officer Friendly?


Yo Cheech, the utter failure that is the war on drugs does nothing to validate your 5,000 killed by cops number. Certainly they've killed innocent people before, but your source is crap.
2013-11-13 10:50:37 AM  
1 votes:

Gecko Gingrich: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.


He's not charged with murder, only manslaughter.  Yes, Texas has a hard-on for frying people, but he's not seeing the chair.  Even if he's found guilty, I'm betting they're only going to see this as a minor blemish on a fine law enforcement career.  He'll be out in 5 years and will get his gun back.
2013-11-13 10:49:07 AM  
1 votes:

knobmaker: skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.

No.

This guy, therefore something seriously wrong with the way cops are hired, trained, and retained.


Straight out of high school from the high school football team?
2013-11-13 10:48:43 AM  
1 votes:
The charge is just manslaughter, but I wonder why there are not 50 addon charges.

Perjury, official oppression, vandalism, reckless discharge,
2013-11-13 10:48:21 AM  
1 votes:

skozlaw: FarkedOver: Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people.  Who are the real terrorists?

Your "news" article doesn't appear to bother to distinguish between innocents victims and people killed in justified shootings. And it sources a blog called "The Daily Sheeple" for the "estimate" it uses to build that 5000 number.

Seems reasonable and productive.


Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

/How long you been on the force Officer Friendly?
2013-11-13 10:47:28 AM  
1 votes:
He'll never see the inside of a prison. The judge will come up with some BS to avoid sending him in like declaring that sending him to prison won't stop other people from committing the same crime so the cop is free to go.
2013-11-13 10:46:43 AM  
1 votes:
You guys can only play the, but all cops aren't like this only a few are, card before it starts to make you look like an idiot.
2013-11-13 10:45:12 AM  
1 votes:

Gecko Gingrich: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.


Unfortunately, they somehow only charged him with manslaughter.
2013-11-13 10:43:44 AM  
1 votes:
FTA: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm. Three of those shots hit Allen, killing him. But 38 of Tuter's shots missed their target.

That's because cops are crappy shooters and are not even within the same league as your average CCW holder.

/amirite?
2013-11-13 10:41:43 AM  
1 votes:
Impressed.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
2013-11-13 10:38:02 AM  
1 votes:
matthershberger.com
2013-11-13 10:34:40 AM  
1 votes:

mediablitz: "More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"

Welcome to any time prior to dashboard cams...


So one advantage to this being a repeat is we already have a theme song.

thecelebritycafe.com

Nice work, cops.
2013-11-13 10:34:05 AM  
1 votes:
More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred


Welcome to earf
2013-11-13 10:30:20 AM  
1 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: At least this idiot got fired and charged.


2wolves: Professionalism.


Marcus Aurelius: Put cameras on every last one of them.


mediablitz: "More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"

Welcome to any time prior to dashboard cams...


THIS

I wonder if he would have been charged if the dead die was brown.
 
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