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2013-11-13 12:25:09 PM  

alice_600: elysive: cryinoutloud: skozlaw: These threads are NEVER about the actual abuses that are occurring, they're just biatch fests from losers who had run-ins with cops because they were doing stupid shiat and they want to whine about the chips on their shoulders.
Farkers seem to have a very hard time distinguishing between cops in riot gear with heavy armaments that kick in a door and shoot the dog in the face because some guy was smoking dope in his living room and the time they got stopped on the sidewalk because they were stumbling around drunk.

Doubtful. You know why I hate cops? Because when I was afraid for my life, the cops in my little tiny town, who knew me personally, covered up domestic abuse, deleted 911 calls, harassed me, threatened to have my dog killed, and threw away a police report where they documented that my ex was beating on me, right in front of the police station.

This all happened before I joined the Fark hate train. I really had no opinion about police in general, until I saw for myself what a bunch of lying, abusive, cowardly assholes a lot of them are.

I've never had a bad experience with a cop, but we give them way too much authority and far too little oversight. Is anyone really surprised when shiat like this happens and their buddies (including judge and lawyer coworkers) get them off the hook? I dont hate cops but I am sickened by what the institution of law enforcement has become.

/never had a bad experience with TSA either but I actually do hate them

The problem though with domestic abuse cases is sometimes it can be hard to prove who was doing the hitting and provoking the hitting. There are some cases where it's he said, she said. There are some women's shelters who demonize men to the point where you feel you have to abort your next kid if he's male because he'll just rape all day long.

The shelter I worked at pissed me off to the point I quit because their program didn't empower and teach women how to protect their children. I ...



Yeah, why can't you just tell all those domestic violence victims that their stories are completely delusional like you want to?  God! It's like they don't even want you to help!
 
2013-11-13 12:26:54 PM  

alice_600: Madbassist1: alice_600: Well what do you want me to do now? I can't go back in time and correct it? I can't say "bad cops, no biscut!" I can't hate the cops they saved me from a mother who tried to kill me when she didn't want me to go into my Dad's custody.

You can admit you're biased and too obstinate to change your position.

As long as you admit that you are the same.


I'm not. I've never had a bad experience with a cop. Been railroaded by the courts before, but not cops.

I just have eyes and can see. My opinions are not pre-formed. Read my post about the cop who murdered the poor bastard in the wheel chair. Here in Houston, thats just another day. Cops kill about 20-30 a year down here. I don't talk to them.
 
2013-11-13 12:26:54 PM  

Silverstaff: but it means you can reliably hit and incapacitate a human target at the normal range a police officer would encounter a criminal at.


"but it means you can reliably hit an incapacitated human while in a normal rage for a police officer"
 
2013-11-13 12:31:23 PM  

doubled99: Who are any of you to judge?
This is the ultimate alpha male job. It's for the toughest and strongest, both mentally and physically. They live by a warrior's code, something most of you cannot begin to understand


thecasaofelhanlo.files.wordpress.com
FARK YEAH!
 
2013-11-13 12:32:49 PM  

danvon: JoieD'Zen: No Mother would try to kill her own child

Note: I am neither supporting nor condemning alice_600's post, but is this a joke? Do you really believe that?


Earlier in the thread Alice_600 had made the statement that someone's believable experience with the police sounded paranoid.  JoieD'Zen is responding to that post in like kind.  I'm sure that's not his actual belief.
 
2013-11-13 12:38:25 PM  
alice_600:
That is precisely what the way they want you to see it. The first move of ant predator is to discredit and/or disable the victim.
it warms my heart to see independent thinkers like yourself regurgitating this Bullsh*t.
Carry on good citizen!

Well what do you want me to do now? I can't go back in time and correct it?  I can't say "bad cops, no biscut!" I can't hate the cops they saved me from a mother who tried to kill me when she didn't want me to go into my Dad's custody.


Help me understand this comment.  Because you can't go back in time and correct what the cops did to this woman, terrorizing her further after suffering abuse, you have only the choice of attempting to discredit her story?  How about not responding at all?  Is that possible?  Or you could have met her anecdote with your anecdote of the cops saving your life and it would have been zeroed out...instead you went the extra mile and called her delusional.  There is no planet on which that seems reasonable.
 
2013-11-13 12:39:42 PM  

Silverstaff: Not expecting much of a welcome here, but. . .

I am a LEO, been on the force for a little over 2 years now.   I'm with a small police department in a small semi-rural town.  We've never had an officer-involved shooting, and the number of times officers have even had to draw their guns is pretty small.  No, we don't have tasers (no budget for them).

I just had my annual weapon qualification a couple of weeks ago.

In case you were wondering what an actual weapon marksmanship standard is (at least the one I have to shoot) for comparison:

Weapon is a Glock 22, aiming at a human silhouette target (with the head and upper torso area outlined).  Hits on the target are 1 point, hits in the head/upper torso vitals area are worth 2 points.


We use the same type of target and scoring basis, but we qualify 4 times a year using a 30 round course. Most of the shots are from within 7 yards since most police shootings take place within that range. We also involve movement while shooting, and at least one course of fire is from behind cover. Also, at least one course involves a "failure drill," that is, you set your gun up so it doesn't fire. Usually it involves something like placing a magazine with two rounds in it, then firing six. After you fire three rounds (2 in the mag, one in the chamber) your gun fails to fire and you must reload. One qualification is done at night - in fact I have night qualification this week.

Unlike your department, we do track scores. I generally shoot in the high 80's, low 90's.
 
2013-11-13 12:41:55 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.


Actually it would make sense if he had 10 round mags and he carries with 10 in the box and one in the pipe.  Then he would only have to change mags 3 times.  Which was probably all the ammo he was carrying.
 
2013-11-13 12:43:51 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: At least this idiot got fired and charged.


QFT. When a cop commits a criminal act, even in the line of duty, he should be arrested and charged like anybody else - if that simple idea was consistently and immediately applied, at all times, I guarantee the esteem in which people hold cops would jump upwards overnight.

Imagine it. Instead of having cops lie, cheat, and steal to protect each other, even at the expense of the lives of other people, cops would hold each other to the same standard that they're supposed to be upholding. Whistleblowers would be celebrated for maintaining the ethical integrity of law enforcement. Cops that positively support and uphold the law, even amongst themselves, would live by example and improve the community as a whole, instead of treating themselves as separate from the community and maintaining a militarized "us vs. them" mentality.
 
2013-11-13 12:48:12 PM  

FormlessOne: QFT. When a cop commits a criminal act, even in the line of duty, he should be arrested and charged like anybody else - if that simple idea was consistently and immediately applied, at all times, I guarantee the esteem in which people hold cops would jump upwards overnight.

Imagine it. Instead of having cops lie, cheat, and steal to protect each other, even at the expense of the lives of other people, cops would hold each other to the same standard that they're supposed to be upholding. Whistleblowers would be celebrated for maintaining the ethical integrity of law enforcement. Cops that positively support and uphold the law, even amongst themselves, would live by example and improve the community as a whole, instead of treating themselves as separate from the community and maintaining a militarized "us vs. them" mentality.


Did you notice that you're posting in a thread based on a story where a cop WAS "arrested and charged just like everybody else?"
 
2013-11-13 12:49:03 PM  

Callous: Actually it would make sense if he had 10 round mags and he carries with 10 in the box and one in the pipe. Then he would only have to change mags 3 times. Which was probably all the ammo he was carrying.


Someone mentioned that upthread, and it makes sense.

Well, the math makes sense. The actions of the cop don't.
 
2013-11-13 12:50:07 PM  
Like the cops in GTA 5. Those bastards will open fire on you after they hit you walking across the street.
 
2013-11-13 12:50:41 PM  

FormlessOne: I guarantee the esteem in which people hold cops would jump upwards overnight.


You'd owe a lot of people a lot of money the next day when the claims started to roll in

The problem goes far beyond that anyway. Enforcing the same basic laws is a no-brainer, of course, but cops are charged with a greater responsibility than your typical corporate desk-jockey and should be held to an appropriately higher standard. That should include standard metrics for job performance, routine evaluations to prove competency in relevant skills and routine physical and mental evaluations to ensure fitness for duty. The departments as a whole should also routinely undergo independent external audits to ensure quality record-keeping and they should be routinely reviewed to ensure that things like use-of-force are being applied appropriately.

The first problem you'd immediately slam into with all this, though, is that if you're going to demand higher quality cops, they're going to - perfectly fairly - demand higher compensation and communities are going to balk pretty hard at that.
That's probably the single biggest problem. Everybody always wants high quality everything right up until the point they get the first cost estimate.
 
2013-11-13 12:55:43 PM  

budrojr: Earlier in the thread Alice_600 had made the statement that someone's believable experience with the police sounded paranoid. JoieD'Zen is responding to that post in like kind. I'm sure that's not his actual belief.


Ah. Thanks.
 
2013-11-13 12:56:00 PM  

manimal2878: MythDragon: Lost Thought 00: So he stopped to reload 3 times?

Only once if he used this:
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 500x339]
/and had a full mag with one in the hole.

No.


No what? Five-seveN magazine don't hold twenty rounds? 20+21 doesn't equal 41? You should never carry a pistol with a round chambered? Cops don't use FN products? This particular cop wasn't using a 5-7?

What are you 'no'ing?
 
2013-11-13 12:56:54 PM  

skozlaw: The problem goes far beyond that anyway. Enforcing the same basic laws is a no-brainer, of course, but cops are charged with a greater responsibility than your typical corporate desk-jockey and should be held to an appropriately higher standard. That should include standard metrics for job performance, routine evaluations to prove competency in relevant skills and routine physical and mental evaluations to ensure fitness for duty. The departments as a whole should also routinely undergo independent external audits to ensure quality record-keeping and they should be routinely reviewed to ensure that things like use-of-force are being applied appropriately.


hmmm. I guess I wasnt reading your posts. At least not all of them. That's a reasonable position.
 
2013-11-13 12:57:38 PM  

lennavan: the_foo: Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified

Also, the other cop on the scene didn't fire a single shot.  That's probably a pretty good indication for you.


Not as good as the video showing the other officer diving for cover when this guy decided to empty his clip (multiple times if the count is accurate).
 
2013-11-13 01:00:29 PM  

CruiserTwelve: FormlessOne: QFT. When a cop commits a criminal act, even in the line of duty, he should be arrested and charged like anybody else - if that simple idea was consistently and immediately applied, at all times, I guarantee the esteem in which people hold cops would jump upwards overnight.

Imagine it. Instead of having cops lie, cheat, and steal to protect each other, even at the expense of the lives of other people, cops would hold each other to the same standard that they're supposed to be upholding. Whistleblowers would be celebrated for maintaining the ethical integrity of law enforcement. Cops that positively support and uphold the law, even amongst themselves, would live by example and improve the community as a whole, instead of treating themselves as separate from the community and maintaining a militarized "us vs. them" mentality.

Did you notice that you're posting in a thread based on a story where a cop WAS "arrested and charged just like everybody else?"


Well I wouldn't say he was arrested and charged just like everyone else.  Everyone else would have had about 40 charges dumped on them in addition to 2nd degree murder or something more serious than manslaughter.
 
2013-11-13 01:03:24 PM  
2nd Amendment heroes like Lanza are indeed better shots.
 
2013-11-13 01:05:21 PM  

skozlaw: Ned Stark: How many times does it have to happen before we are allowed to notice a pattern?

I don't know. Ask CATO. They've been on this for years and have actually been producing useful information and arguments about the problem. One of the few useful things they've ever done.

The key here is that there's a difference between a pattern and a solid color and a lot of farkers in this threads seem to have a hard time understanding that. Notice how CATO, however, doesn't run around pretending that EVERY cop is like this. Because that doesn't help. Because it's not true.


We have stereotypes for a reason. You profile for a reason. Don't be a hypocrite and you may see more people siding with the fair ones. Sadly, the fair and honest cops are few and far between in most people's experiences.

Please don't shoot me.
 
2013-11-13 01:07:19 PM  

elysive: alice_600: elysive: cryinoutloud: skozlaw:


Well, my post really wasnt about domestic abuse, but since I replied to one I'll bite. Women and domestic violence victims should be empowered. They should be taught no holds barred how to protect themselves and should learn how to protect those under their care (accepting responsibility for another can be empowering itself). However, the suggestion that victims somehow provoke and deserve abuse is a load of horse shiat. That's what you're suggesting because to us normal people "who provokes the hitting" isnt a thing and shouldnt be a police consideration.

Even if I initiate an argument, it does not excuse my partner from strangling, beating or otherwise abusing me.


No and you're right my fault.
Do cops make mistakes? Yes, I do agree that yes they do.
Do I think we should hold them accountable yes but within reason. We shouldn't regulate them to the point that they can't act in times of danger or in times when they are needed to protect the people there. I'm sorry for what happened to her but I have in my life dealt with a woman who kept saying when I came in contact with her again that my Dad would nail her to the bed and rape her.
Then I have to point out that never happened and the nails holes are actually from when I was a teenager and I used those screw in hooks to hang up tussie musies garlands (fragrant dried flower and herb arrangements) on rope.
 
2013-11-13 01:07:55 PM  

FarkedOver: skozlaw: FarkedOver: Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people.  Who are the real terrorists?

Your "news" article doesn't appear to bother to distinguish between innocents victims and people killed in justified shootings. And it sources a blog called "The Daily Sheeple" for the "estimate" it uses to build that 5000 number.

Seems reasonable and productive.

Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

/How long you been on the force Officer Friendly?


5000 killed since 9/11 comes out to ~417 per year. Including federal agencies there are ~800,000 LEOs in the US. That works out to (I think) one half of one ten thousandth of one percent. Look, it's awful and reprehensible, and the rules protecting the police from the consequences of their actions should be changed, but let's not pretend it's some sort of epidemic.
 
2013-11-13 01:08:20 PM  

skozlaw: The first problem you'd immediately slam into with all this, though, is that if you're going to demand higher quality cops, they're going to - perfectly fairly - demand higher compensation and communities are going to balk pretty hard at that.
That's probably the single biggest problem. Everybody always wants high quality everything right up until the point they get the first cost estimate.


It's not the pay that deters qualified applicants, it's the work conditions. You work nights, weekends, holidays and you work outdoors in every kind of weather. You are also at risk of being assaulted and even killed for just doing your job. If you can somehow change those conditions you'll get better qualified cops.

Having said that, most cops still do an excellent job in spite of the conditions. Yeah, there are too many bad cops, but the good ones still far outnumber the bad. The bad cops get all the publicity though.
 
2013-11-13 01:11:44 PM  

MythDragon: Lost Thought 00: So he stopped to reload 3 times?

Only once if he used this:
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 500x339]
/and had a full mag with one in the hole.


Oh, the lovely, elegant, accurate and fun to shoot FNH Five-seveN.  apart from ammo costs of course.
 
2013-11-13 01:13:02 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Silverstaff: By policy no official record of score is kept though, for legal reasons.  The reasoning was explained to me that if you are a really hot shot and get into a shooting, someone could sue saying "you're such a great shot, why didn't you try to "shoot to wound", or shoot the gun out of his hand. . ." and if you're a marginal shot they could sue saying you're such a poor marksman that the reason the person is now in paralyzed was you couldn't even shoot to kill (in other words, whatever you do, a lawyer will use it against you, so no record is kept other than passing the minimum mandated standard).

I have a huge problem with this. Just because a lawyer might use your data against you is not a good reason to essentially destroy records. This is just a small example of exactly what's wrong with the law enforcement in this country.


After reading about how some prosecutors have tried to send people up the river by splitting hairs to demonize someone, I am fine with pass/fail grading.  If you don't believe me read some of Massad Ayoob's books on the cases he's dealt with.  Or even better watch his DVD called "Cute Lawyer Tricks".
 
2013-11-13 01:13:36 PM  

ReverendJynxed: We have stereotypes for a reason.


Yes.  That reason is intellectual laziness.  Rather than try to understand each individual and the consider nuances of each context, it's much easier to just understand the world in stereotypes.

ReverendJynxed: You profile for a reason.


Laziness.  Rather than try to approach each person as an individual and consider the nuances of each context, it's much easier to just profile.

ReverendJynxed: Sadly, the fair and honest cops are few and far between in most people's experiences.


Why is it do you think, that we don't read more articles about how fair and honest cops are?

I once got pulled over for going 82mph in a 65mph zone.  The cop pulled me over and asked for my license and registration.  I provided them.  He then wrote me a ticket.

WOW BEST STORY EVER, SO THRILLING

I have more just like that if you want.
 
2013-11-13 01:14:49 PM  

FormlessOne: Tr0mBoNe: At least this idiot got fired and charged.

QFT.
When a cop commits a criminal act, even in the line of duty, he should be arrested and charged like anybody else - if that simple idea was consistently and immediately applied, at all times, I guarantee the esteem in which people hold cops would jump upwards overnight.


CruiserTwelve: Did you notice that you're posting in a thread based on a story where a cop WAS "arrested and charged just like everybody else?"


Did you notice that the bit he Quoted For Truth acknowledges precisely that?
 
2013-11-13 01:16:01 PM  

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


I haven't read the whole thread yet, so that certainly could be an accurate summary of the thread... That I don't know.

But what I do know is that the lesson of stories like this is: there should be an inverse relationship between the power we grant someone in our society and the amount of trust we give them to go along with it - and the more power, the greater the penalties should be for abusing that power (the opposite is more often true now). Police have a LOT of power over the average citizen, we should take their unverified word for events as infrequently as absolutely possible.

Since this is an age where video cameras are so cheap and ubiquitous I think it's well past the time where we started requiring all police encounters to be recorded on video. This will keep both police and citizens safer. Police who abuse their power, lie about a crime or get trigger-happy should be dealt with harshly.
 
2013-11-13 01:16:04 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Did you notice that you're posting in a thread based on a story where a cop WAS "arrested and charged just like everybody else?"


If a regular person shoots at someone 41 times and murderers them in the middle of the street in front of witnesses the safe money is they won't be charged with just manslaughter.
 
2013-11-13 01:19:15 PM  

mongbiohazard: I haven't read the whole thread yet, so that certainly could be an accurate summary of the thread... That I don't know.


An accurate summary of this thread about an isolated incident. Just like every other cop thread.

/  Actually is an isolated incident. Usually the cop skates outright.
 
2013-11-13 01:20:12 PM  

Hawnkee: Impressed.


Thank you for the public burst of laughter.

/I think I peed a little
 
2013-11-13 01:22:46 PM  

ReverendJynxed: We have stereotypes for a reason


Yea, because you didn't care enough to find out the facts so you formed your opinion on what you imagine is happening instead.

This isn't a discussion about whether redheads are evil, it's a discussion about a real problem in which real, actual data exists. If you're going to act on a stereotype in a situation like this instead of the available data I'm going to call you a dolt and leave it at that because that's all that needs to be said.

It's bad enough when people act on prejudices in the heat of the moment, it's entirely inexcusable when they do it willfully because they don't want to limit themselves to available facts.
 
2013-11-13 01:23:05 PM  
see this is why we need higher capacity magazines, if it takes a cop 41 rounds to hit a guy 3 times then the rest of us need a little extra help. Wait how about grenades?
 
2013-11-13 01:27:11 PM  

FarkedOver: The police need to be recorded every single second they are on duty.  Internal Affairs needs to be replaced with a civilian oversight commission.  The thin blue line must be destroyed.


easy enough to fix
life in prison for police who lie on reports or on the stand
TADA
 
2013-11-13 01:30:21 PM  

Snarcasm: The charge is just manslaughter, but I wonder why there are not 50 addon charges.

Perjury, official oppression, vandalism, reckless discharge,


Because it's still just a homicide, not a Really Bad Homicide.
 
2013-11-13 01:30:37 PM  
"For only the second time in 17 years, a Dallas County, Tex.,  grand jury has indicted a police officer...."  FTA


Trust me. That number needs to be at least QUADRUPLED. Annually. Just here in the Dallas/FT. Worth "Metroplex" area alone. However, Garland is well known for having the worst cops in Dallas county. Plano and Richardson cops are assholes but way WAY less trigger happy.

I hope this is the same Garland pig who killed my friend's dog recently.
 
2013-11-13 01:31:15 PM  
 
2013-11-13 01:33:03 PM  
How is it manslaughter? Shouldn't that be a murder charge instead? Isn't "manslaughter" when you accidentally kill someone? Somehow firing 41 shots (with no returned fire) constitutes accidentally killing him.
 
2013-11-13 01:35:45 PM  
Silverstaff
2013-11-13 11:54:30 AM


Not expecting much of a welcome here, but. . .[/quote
How cute a qualification system with no record-keeping and thus no accountability. I'm convinced you're part of a completely up and up department.
 
2013-11-13 01:36:53 PM  

craigdamage: I hope this is the same Garland pig who killed my friend's dog recently.


Hey now, that's just anectdotal outrage, not real data! You cant be relating your true life experiences they don't count, cause DATA!!!
 
2013-11-13 01:38:03 PM  

pancakeface: Hawnkee: Impressed.

Thank you for the public burst of laughter.

/I think I peed a little


I live to serve. :)
 
2013-11-13 01:40:34 PM  

alice_600: The problem though with domestic abuse cases is sometimes it can be hard to prove who was doing the hitting and provoking the hitting. There are some cases where it's he said, she said. There are some women's shelters who demonize men to the point where you feel you have to abort your next kid if he's male because he'll just rape all day long.


The incident I'm talking about was witnessed by a whole bunch of people (tourist town, middle of summer), three of whom called the cops. One of them said, "it looks like someone is trying to abduct a child here" (he was). The clerk of court witnessed him hitting me, and called the police also. The police came and got him, took him next door and kept him there for a long time. Then they let him go. they never even talked to me, since I guess they'd already decided that they were going to cover it up. I had bruises and cuts and our son was freaking out. This was several months after I'd left him, so don't start that shiat about "so how 'bout you leave him, idiot?"

The incident report disappeared, if there ever was one. Let alone not even arresting the bastard for a domestic. The 911 calls disappeared. None of the cops would even admit to me which one of them had interviewed my ex, why they'd let him go, what was said, or even admitted that they'd taken him in, when I was standing right there watching it happen. When I went directly to the police later and told them that I wanted the incident report or I'd take them to court and get it verbally, that's when the harassment started. The clerk of court just sighed and said, "That's how it is around here." And that's how it is. She was actually a friend of mine.

And if you think that's delusional, I won't even try to tell you some of the other stuff that happened to me because of my ex. You're the delusional one if you think that people aren't corrupt as fark, or that even "authority figures" won't take the easy way out if trying to help someone will mess up their busy, important, professional lives.

/I don't know if it was you who said I sounded delusional, don't feel like reading everything because it pisses me off. fark the cops.  I can't even watch a police car go by anymore without rolling my eyes.
 
2013-11-13 01:43:38 PM  

JohnnyC: How is it manslaughter? Shouldn't that be a murder charge instead? Isn't "manslaughter" when you accidentally kill someone? Somehow firing 41 shots (with no returned fire) constitutes accidentally killing him.


Murder requires premeditation. Manslaughter isn't necessarily accidental, it's just a killing done "in the heat of passion" or without premeditation. Basically a killing based on emotion and not as a result of preplanning and with criminal intent.
 
2013-11-13 01:43:56 PM  

jaybeezey: AgentPothead: You guys can only play the, but all cops aren't like this only a few are, card before it starts to make you look like an idiot.

Yet people still point out that only 1% of muslims are "extrmists".

Either a group represents the whole or it doesn't.

I'll let you choose.


Your point has merit.

Or at least it will when we have a nationwide structure of gun-toting Muslims entrusted to protect us, operating outside the laws we are expected to live under, with proven abuses against American citizens being revealed weekly.
 
2013-11-13 01:45:39 PM  

Biff_Steel: Marcus Aurelius: Put cameras on every last one of them.

LOL remember that incident in PG county MD where seven police cruisers responded to a scene and the suspect somehow got beaten to a pulp? Turns out, somehow, all seven dash cam "malfunctioned." What are the odds?


zero
there is no chance that all 7 malfunctioned
not in the real world

those 7 cops need to die. it is the only way to be sure.
/sorry for all you boot lickers who think that 7 camera could all break on the same day and the one suspect was a threat to 7 jackboots
 
2013-11-13 01:50:51 PM  

"More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"


i2.wp.com

 
2013-11-13 01:51:54 PM  

Madbassist1: Remember the cop who killed the double amputee for recklessly brandishing a ball point pen? Apparently the wheelchair was coming right at him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/brian-claunch-houston-shot- ma tthew-marin-police-cleared-disabled-amputee_n_4218889.html

I do not engage with the police, and I tell my children not to engage with the police.


So, what happens if you HAVE to engage with the police?  Say, a family member is murdered?
 
2013-11-13 01:52:03 PM  

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


Interesting that  the other cops (who took cover during the shooting) didn't bust this guy. It was the dash cam that busted him.

This is not the story of one bad cop. It is the story of several. One was just worse than the others.
 
2013-11-13 01:53:41 PM  

Another Government Employee: So, what happens if you HAVE to engage with the police? Say, a family member is murdered?


You have the right to remain silent.
 
2013-11-13 01:54:17 PM  

FarkedOver: skozlaw: FarkedOver: Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people.  Who are the real terrorists?

Your "news" article doesn't appear to bother to distinguish between innocents victims and people killed in justified shootings. And it sources a blog called "The Daily Sheeple" for the "estimate" it uses to build that 5000 number.

Seems reasonable and productive.

Cool! A police apologist!


LOL guess who has a hair trigger and authority issues?
 
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