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2013-11-13 09:52:58 AM  
At least this idiot got fired and charged.
 
2013-11-13 10:11:32 AM  
Professionalism.
 
2013-11-13 10:14:24 AM  
Put cameras on every last one of them.
 
2013-11-13 10:25:13 AM  
"More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"

Welcome to any time prior to dashboard cams...
 
2013-11-13 10:30:20 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: At least this idiot got fired and charged.


2wolves: Professionalism.


Marcus Aurelius: Put cameras on every last one of them.


mediablitz: "More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"

Welcome to any time prior to dashboard cams...


THIS

I wonder if he would have been charged if the dead die was brown.
 
2013-11-13 10:34:05 AM  
More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred


Welcome to earf
 
2013-11-13 10:34:32 AM  
So he stopped to reload 3 times?
 
2013-11-13 10:34:40 AM  

mediablitz: "More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"

Welcome to any time prior to dashboard cams...


So one advantage to this being a repeat is we already have a theme song.

thecelebritycafe.com

Nice work, cops.
 
2013-11-13 10:34:53 AM  
This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.
 
2013-11-13 10:36:08 AM  
so this is the farkwit with horrible aim I played with last night in battlefield 4

/no boom headshot for you
 
2013-11-13 10:36:28 AM  
He was mad wasn't he?

Got wonder if the other officer who had to take cover behind his car to keep from getting hit by this idiot was screaming for him to stop shooting the whole time.
 
2013-11-13 10:38:02 AM  
matthershberger.com
 
2013-11-13 10:39:00 AM  
FTFA:  The chase began when Tuter noticed the pickup, which had been involved in a chase in nearby Sachse a few mights before.

Mights indeed.
 
2013-11-13 10:39:26 AM  
Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people.  Who are the real terrorists?

http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civili an s-since-911/172029/
 
2013-11-13 10:39:48 AM  
He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.
 
2013-11-13 10:41:21 AM  

lennavan: mediablitz: "More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"

Welcome to any time prior to dashboard cams...

So one advantage to this being a repeat is we already have a theme song.

[thecelebritycafe.com image 300x450]

Nice work, cops.


From yesterday? Really?
 
2013-11-13 10:41:43 AM  
Impressed.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-11-13 10:43:44 AM  
FTA: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm. Three of those shots hit Allen, killing him. But 38 of Tuter's shots missed their target.

That's because cops are crappy shooters and are not even within the same league as your average CCW holder.

/amirite?
 
2013-11-13 10:45:12 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.


Unfortunately, they somehow only charged him with manslaughter.
 
2013-11-13 10:45:21 AM  

FarkedOver: Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people.  Who are the real terrorists?

Your "news" article doesn't appear to bother to distinguish between innocents victims and people killed in justified shootings. And it sources a blog called "The Daily Sheeple" for the "estimate" it uses to build that 5000 number.

Seems reasonable and productive.

 
2013-11-13 10:45:30 AM  

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


No.

This guy, therefore something seriously wrong with the way cops are hired, trained, and retained.
 
2013-11-13 10:46:43 AM  
You guys can only play the, but all cops aren't like this only a few are, card before it starts to make you look like an idiot.
 
2013-11-13 10:47:17 AM  
Crooked ass cops.
 
2013-11-13 10:47:28 AM  
He'll never see the inside of a prison. The judge will come up with some BS to avoid sending him in like declaring that sending him to prison won't stop other people from committing the same crime so the cop is free to go.
 
2013-11-13 10:48:21 AM  

skozlaw: FarkedOver: Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people.  Who are the real terrorists?

Your "news" article doesn't appear to bother to distinguish between innocents victims and people killed in justified shootings. And it sources a blog called "The Daily Sheeple" for the "estimate" it uses to build that 5000 number.

Seems reasonable and productive.


Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

/How long you been on the force Officer Friendly?
 
2013-11-13 10:48:37 AM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

If the police have to come and get you, they're bringin an ass-whoopin with them.

Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified, but I'm sick of TFAs switching straight into "poor innocent victim" mode. (Oh, he has kids? So does, like,  everybody). Why was he running from the cops again? "Allen had pending charges of evading arrest, drug possession and assault at the time of his death." (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/tag/michael-vincent-allen/ ) Half hour chase exceeding 100MPH? Don't give me this bullshiat like he was some upstanding citizen minding his own business. The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.
 
2013-11-13 10:48:43 AM  
The charge is just manslaughter, but I wonder why there are not 50 addon charges.

Perjury, official oppression, vandalism, reckless discharge,
 
2013-11-13 10:49:02 AM  

Mikey1969: lennavan: mediablitz: "More and more, we're learning that the account given by the police officer is not what actually occurred,"

Welcome to any time prior to dashboard cams...

So one advantage to this being a repeat is we already have a theme song.

[thecelebritycafe.com image 300x450]

Nice work, cops.

From yesterday? Really?


No, from 1999.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Skin_%2841_Shots%29
 
2013-11-13 10:49:07 AM  

knobmaker: skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.

No.

This guy, therefore something seriously wrong with the way cops are hired, trained, and retained.


Straight out of high school from the high school football team?
 
2013-11-13 10:49:24 AM  

Lost Thought 00: So he stopped to reload 3 times?


Probably only twice. He probably had 15-round mags.
 
2013-11-13 10:49:51 AM  

Road Warrior: Crooked ass cops.


...are out of control in the US
 
2013-11-13 10:50:37 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.


He's not charged with murder, only manslaughter.  Yes, Texas has a hard-on for frying people, but he's not seeing the chair.  Even if he's found guilty, I'm betting they're only going to see this as a minor blemish on a fine law enforcement career.  He'll be out in 5 years and will get his gun back.
 
2013-11-13 10:50:39 AM  

PsyLord: FTA: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm. Three of those shots hit Allen, killing him. But 38 of Tuter's shots missed their target.

That's because cops are crappy shooters and are not even within the same league as your average CCW holder.

/amirite?


Now better, that's for certain. Of course, if a cop can't manage a single unarmed man with only 10 rounds, why are we demanding people in self-defense situations be limited to 10?
 
2013-11-13 10:51:04 AM  

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


How many times does it have to happen before we are allowed to notice a pattern?
 
2013-11-13 10:52:23 AM  

Lost Thought 00: So he stopped to reload 3 times?


Seriously. This cop needs to do some serious hard time.
FFS - his fellow cops were hiding in fear of their life.
 
2013-11-13 10:52:28 AM  

FarkedOver: Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

/How long you been on the force Officer Friendly?


Yo Cheech, the utter failure that is the war on drugs does nothing to validate your 5,000 killed by cops number. Certainly they've killed innocent people before, but your source is crap.
 
2013-11-13 10:53:10 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: At least this idiot got fired and charged.


In Texas, no less. Normally he'd get a paid vacation, especially if the victim is blah.
 
2013-11-13 10:53:19 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times.


Three times with a ten round clip and starting with one round chambered, which suggests he only stopped reloading when he ran out of clips.
 
2013-11-13 10:53:50 AM  
Manslaughter?
30.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-11-13 10:54:00 AM  

the_foo: Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified


Also, the other cop on the scene didn't fire a single shot.  That's probably a pretty good indication for you.
 
2013-11-13 10:54:31 AM  

the_foo: FarkedOver: Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

/How long you been on the force Officer Friendly?

Yo Cheech, the utter failure that is the war on drugs does nothing to validate your 5,000 killed by cops number. Certainly they've killed innocent people before, but your source is crap.


Hey John Law, if you read the article:

Because individual police departments are not required to submit information regarding the use of deadly force by its officers...

Maybe we need more accountability for these meatheads that are given guns and badges.
 
2013-11-13 10:56:23 AM  

the_foo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

If the police have to come and get you, they're bringin an ass-whoopin with them.

Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified, but I'm sick of TFAs switching straight into "poor innocent victim" mode. (Oh, he has kids? So does, like,  everybody). Why was he running from the cops again? "Allen had pending charges of evading arrest, drug possession and assault at the time of his death." (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/tag/michael-vincent-allen/ ) Half hour chase exceeding 100MPH? Don't give me this bullshiat like he was some upstanding citizen minding his own business. The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.


Perhaps he knew enough about the local Police department to understand that if they caught him, he was a dead man no matter what.
 
2013-11-13 10:56:35 AM  

FarkedOver: A police apologist!


Oh, look. You got called on your BS so you just make shiat up. What a shocker.

Post a legitimate source or STFU with your INFOWARS-wannabe horsehiat. It's not exactly hard. They even have the goddamn CATO work on the subject in your garbage article, you only had to click one more link and copy that URL instead to not be a raging retard.

knobmaker: This guy, therefore something seriously wrong with the way cops are hired, trained, and retained.


Three of the first six comments before I posted were generic biatching about all cops, so, yea.

These threads are NEVER about the actual abuses that are occurring, they're just biatch fests from losers who had run-ins with cops because they were doing stupid shiat and they want to whine about the chips on their shoulders.

Farkers seem to have a very hard time distinguishing between cops in riot gear with heavy armaments that kick in a door and shoot the dog in the face because some guy was smoking dope in his living room and the time they got stopped on the sidewalk because they were stumbling around drunk.

Nobody cars that Office Jerkass was mean to you because you were being a dickbag, that's not really a problem, especially not in the face of this type of shiat.
 
2013-11-13 10:56:41 AM  

vygramul: Lost Thought 00: So he stopped to reload 3 times?

Probably only twice. He probably had 15-round mags.



If I had to bet, I'd say he only reloaded once.  A trigger happy jackass like that was probably carrying these while on duty.  20 plus one and another full mag equals 41 rounds.
 
2013-11-13 10:57:05 AM  

FarkedOver: skozlaw: FarkedOver: Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people.  Who are the real terrorists?

Your "news" article doesn't appear to bother to distinguish between innocents victims and people killed in justified shootings. And it sources a blog called "The Daily Sheeple" for the "estimate" it uses to build that 5000 number.

Seems reasonable and productive.

Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

/How long you been on the force Officer Friendly?


and there is another reason why pot heads will never get legal weed.
 
2013-11-13 10:57:19 AM  
Texass is the biggest shiathole in the world. We really need to apologize to Mexico and beg them to take it back.
 
2013-11-13 10:57:28 AM  

the_foo: The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.


It's a good thing nobody is claiming that, then.
 
2013-11-13 10:57:38 AM  

the_foo: Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified, but I'm sick of TFAs switching straight into "poor innocent victim" mode. (Oh, he has kids? So does, like, everybody). Why was he running from the cops again? "Allen had pending charges of evading arrest, drug possession and assault at the time of his death." (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/tag/michael-vincent-allen/ ) Half hour chase exceeding 100MPH? Don't give me this bullshiat like he was some upstanding citizen minding his own business. The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.



How should they write about a deceased person who hadn't done anything to warrant being deceased?
 
2013-11-13 10:57:40 AM  
So he gave the guy 38 warning shots?  He had plenty of time to exit the truck and lie down on the ground.
 
2013-11-13 10:58:00 AM  

skozlaw: This thread summed up already:

This guy, therefore all cops.


Why didnt the other cops shot him? Tase him?
In no universe was this cop anything other than a MAD DOG shooting at an innocent civilian.
If the person shooting the gun was a CIVILIAN, the other cops would have put him DOWN.

So yes, all cops are bad until they stop cops like this in the act of shooting innocent civilians.
/no, he was innocent until proven guilty.

Ned Stark: How many times does it have to happen before we are allowed to notice a pattern?

This

Snarcasm: The charge is just manslaughter, but I wonder why there are not 50 addon charges.
Perjury, official oppression, vandalism, reckless discharge,


Funny how cops get a pass on piling on charges. Why is that?

Gecko Gingrich: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.


He is only being charged with manslaughter, so no death penalty.
 
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