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(Politico)   Top talent continues to flee the New York Times, which at this rate by this time next year will have a newsroom consisting of Paul Krugman writing headlines like "Mets Lose; Women, Minorities Hardest Hit"   (politico.com) divider line 52
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2013-11-13 09:54:27 AM
Repeat, although a better headline if subby does say so himself.
 
2013-11-13 10:07:22 AM
www.mediabistro.com
 
2013-11-13 10:29:07 AM
Journalism is pretty much dead, at least as we know it. The NYT is now a brand name good journalists use to start their careers. Increasingly you can just write for some blog/news aggregation service like HuffPost, or if you just want money, CNN/Yahoo.

That doesn't mean journalism is actually dead though. People are still reporting and writing, but you'll probably see a lot less good investigative journalism, which is sad. The money just isn't there anymore, and the minute you have the scoop on a story some asshole just links to it on his blog and basically takes ownership, or adds his own 3 paragraphs, and then that article gets posted on fark.
 
2013-11-13 11:22:08 AM

Gulper Eel: Repeat, although a better headline if subby does say so himself.


Headlines like this merit the existence of the tag, if I do say so myself.
 
2013-11-13 11:33:10 AM

bdub77: Journalism is pretty much dead....   That doesn't mean journalism is actually dead though


Let's see what Bezos does with the Washington Post.
 
2013-11-13 01:43:42 PM
Nate Silver chopped down the main tent pole in the election punditry circus. He had to go.
 
2013-11-13 02:42:24 PM
Of *COURSE* the women and minorities are hardest hit.  How else are we supposed to get our sammiches made and our cotton harvested?
 
2013-11-13 02:47:05 PM
That's some good headline there Subby.HLOTY contender.
 
2013-11-13 03:08:09 PM
Women, Minorities Hardest Hit

I'm having flashbacks to the days when I was a dumb high school Republican.  That was what passed for satire in Limbaugh's mind.
 
2013-11-13 03:39:25 PM
Krugman edits the travel and arts sections: "Elizabeth Warren Seeks SEC Investigation into Hamptons Traffic"..."Libertarians and the Chalet Glut in Gstaad"..."GOP Obstructionists Ruin the Whitney Biennial"...
 
2013-11-13 03:53:08 PM

dittybopper: Of *COURSE* the women and minorities are hardest hit.  How else are we supposed to get our sammiches made and our cotton harvested?


They. Just. Don't. Listen.
 
2013-11-13 03:57:33 PM
And yet they still have those two hacks, Dowd and Collins.
 
2013-11-13 03:58:07 PM
"Women, minorities hit harder than the Mets."
 
2013-11-13 04:01:06 PM

Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: Journalism is pretty much dead....   That doesn't mean journalism is actually dead though

Let's see what Bezos does with the Washington Post.


I'm curious to see how that goes, too. I would imagine a subscription of the e-version gets packaged with Prime, but I don't know what you do with print these days. Or the website, for that matter.

My local paper went fee-based for their online version, and the people around here went crazy. WTF? It wasn't free when you had it delivered every day.
 
2013-11-13 04:01:10 PM
Nate Silver, who sprinted to ESPN; David Pogue, who decamped to Yahoo News; Jeff Zeleny, who left for ABC News; and Rick Berke, who is en route to POLITICO.

Really working the thesaurus there.
 
2013-11-13 04:06:19 PM

Orgasmatron138: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: Journalism is pretty much dead....   That doesn't mean journalism is actually dead though

Let's see what Bezos does with the Washington Post.

I'm curious to see how that goes, too. I would imagine a subscription of the e-version gets packaged with Prime, but I don't know what you do with print these days. Or the website, for that matter.

My local paper went fee-based for their online version, and the people around here went crazy. WTF? It wasn't free when you had it delivered every day.


A ready-to-ship content generator with an established following for the Amazon Kindle?
 
2013-11-13 04:06:29 PM
Still employed by the NYT.

www.newstechzilla.com
 
2013-11-13 04:06:31 PM

Rapmaster2000: Nate Silver, who sprinted  evacuated to on ESPN;


FTFY
 
2013-11-13 04:07:26 PM

Rapmaster2000: Nate Silver, who sprinted to ESPN; David Pogue, who decamped to Yahoo News; Jeff Zeleny, who left for ABC News; and Rick Berke, who is en route to POLITICO.

Really working the thesaurus there.


Then the author repeated "decamped" in the NEXT para, which I found very lame: "Matt Bai, The New York Times Magazine's chief political correspondent, decamped to Yahoo..."
 
2013-11-13 04:13:27 PM

Rapmaster2000: Nate Silver, who sprinted to ESPN; David Pogue, who decamped to Yahoo News; Jeff Zeleny, who left for ABC News; and Rick Berke, who is en route to POLITICO.

Really working the thesaurus there.


Judith Miller, who slimed her way over to Fox News; Jayson Blair, who was defenestrated out of the profession...
 
2013-11-13 04:16:05 PM
This is even happening on a local basis. Little local reporters that none of you have ever heard of are telling local dailies and weeklies in my area to get bent, opening their own little news websites and selling advertising to businesses within their coverage area.

As local news coverage has thinned, and along with it local news staffs, corporate owned local news outlets are relying more and more on statewide/national advertising campaigns funded by larger companies that do regional or statewide ad buys. The little guys don't want to hand money over to an organization that doesn't even have an office in their town, but instead two or three towns over that operates as a headquarters for a staff of reporters who cover the news remotely and pop into their beat when something's happening.

Those savvy reporters who are entrenched and have their own brand are making a living picking up what those corporate owned conglomerations of local media outlets have left on the table, because they're organizationally too top-heavy and can't maintain all of the parasitic executives and middle managers while simultaneously maintaining the newsrooms that are necessary to win those local advertisers' support.
 
2013-11-13 04:17:57 PM

Super Chronic: Rapmaster2000: Nate Silver, who sprinted to ESPN; David Pogue, who decamped to Yahoo News; Jeff Zeleny, who left for ABC News; and Rick Berke, who is en route to POLITICO.

Really working the thesaurus there.

Judith Miller, who slimed her way over to Fox News; Jayson Blair, who was defenestrated out of the profession...


... Dexter Filkins, who climbed up a rung to the New Yorker; Bill Kristol, who crawled back under the rock he came from at the Weekly Standard...
 
2013-11-13 04:21:17 PM
What an anti-semetic newspaper.
 
2013-11-13 04:21:27 PM

Orgasmatron138: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: Journalism is pretty much dead....   That doesn't mean journalism is actually dead though

Let's see what Bezos does with the Washington Post.

I'm curious to see how that goes, too. I would imagine a subscription of the e-version gets packaged with Prime, but I don't know what you do with print these days. Or the website, for that matter.

My local paper went fee-based for their online version, and the people around here went crazy. WTF? It wasn't free when you had it delivered every day.


Bundling may be the answer. $5/mo for premium access to 20 sources. Something like that. Then you can "turn on" the sources you want, and only those get a share of your $5, not the ones you don't use.

I work for a startup that has a system like this, but we were too early. The CTOs of major outlets were extremely gung-ho, but the 20th-century suits balked and demanded paywalls. As you can see, that's working out just swell for them.

People will pay, although maybe only a little, for content the actually value. But they want it to be their idea, not a paywall. And people want to pay what feels right to them, not a fixed price demanded by the publisher.
 
2013-11-13 04:27:29 PM

Cold soup: Little local reporters that none of you have ever heard of are telling local dailies and weeklies in my area to get bent, opening their own little news websites and selling advertising to businesses within their coverage area.


And what's-his-fark over at AOL still wonders why Patch keeps hemorrhaging money...

Local micro-journalism doesn't require the involvement of a corporate media giant; in fact, it can easily be seen as an unwelcome intercession.

/The next town over has a Patch but mine doesn't?  Fark you then!
 
2013-11-13 04:31:47 PM
They hate Jews over there.
 
2013-11-13 04:34:53 PM
God decided He was finally fed up with the human race and decided to end it for good. He called up a reporter at the New York Times to tell him the news: The world would end the day after tomorrow.

The reporter tried to talk God out of it, but God was firm and wouldn't be swayed. The reporter then asked if he had an exclusive. God said that He was going to call three other newspapers.

Headlines the next day:

The New York Times: "God says world to end tomorrow; story and analysis on page B11."
The Wall Street Journal: "God says world to end tomorrow; market to close early"
USA Today: "IT'S OVER!"
The Washington Post: "God says world to end tomorrow; women and minorities hardest hit."
 
2013-11-13 04:37:44 PM

100 Watt Walrus: Orgasmatron138: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: Journalism is pretty much dead....   That doesn't mean journalism is actually dead though

Let's see what Bezos does with the Washington Post.

I'm curious to see how that goes, too. I would imagine a subscription of the e-version gets packaged with Prime, but I don't know what you do with print these days. Or the website, for that matter.

My local paper went fee-based for their online version, and the people around here went crazy. WTF? It wasn't free when you had it delivered every day.

Bundling may be the answer. $5/mo for premium access to 20 sources. Something like that. Then you can "turn on" the sources you want, and only those get a share of your $5, not the ones you don't use.

I work for a startup that has a system like this, but we were too early. The CTOs of major outlets were extremely gung-ho, but the 20th-century suits balked and demanded paywalls. As you can see, that's working out just swell for them.

People will pay, although maybe only a little, for content the actually value. But they want it to be their idea, not a paywall. And people want to pay what feels right to them, not a fixed price demanded by the publisher.


Agreed. For example, I love the News Bento app for Windows 8. If I had to pay a monthly fee to bundle the sources I use together, that would be fine. All I ask is a trial period to see if I like the publication.
 
2013-11-13 04:42:51 PM

jimpoz: God decided He was finally fed up with the human race and decided to end it for good. He called up a reporter at the New York Times to tell him the news: The world would end the day after tomorrow.

The reporter tried to talk God out of it, but God was firm and wouldn't be swayed. The reporter then asked if he had an exclusive. God said that He was going to call three other newspapers.

Headlines the next day:

The New York Times: "God says world to end tomorrow; story and analysis on page B11."
The Wall Street Journal: "God says world to end tomorrow; market to close early"
USA Today: "IT'S OVER!"
The Washington Post: "God says world to end tomorrow; women and minorities hardest hit."


Huffington Post: "You'll never believe what God said now!"
Deadline: "Exclusive: God to cancel the world."
Slate: "Why the end of the world may be the best thing for us all."
 
2013-11-13 04:45:55 PM
The Times has become too gay.
 
2013-11-13 05:00:53 PM
ref: The Internet


NYT is feeling the Internet heat.  ad revenues are way down. print circulation is way down.


and Journalism is going out the door.  that's ok, though. American don't need news.  they're too damn dumb to know what to do with real news.
 
2013-11-13 05:02:52 PM
Real Journalism is too Liberal.  and too big government.  and too anti-american.  and it won't cut taxes for the Wealthy and big businesses who are making record profits.
 
2013-11-13 05:05:38 PM
Oh, you young ones are so gullible. Congress will soon pass Legislation protecting traditional newspapers.
 
2013-11-13 05:18:54 PM
What none of you goobers is mentioning, is that's what left of newspapers are all being bought out by rightwing loonies. So what little news there is left these days is all OBAMA: worst president in history or just the last 300 years?
 
2013-11-13 05:25:18 PM

rugman11: jimpoz: God decided He was finally fed up with the human race and decided to end it for good. He called up a reporter at the New York Times to tell him the news: The world would end the day after tomorrow.

The reporter tried to talk God out of it, but God was firm and wouldn't be swayed. The reporter then asked if he had an exclusive. God said that He was going to call three other newspapers.

Headlines the next day:

The New York Times: "God says world to end tomorrow; story and analysis on page B11."
The Wall Street Journal: "God says world to end tomorrow; market to close early"
USA Today: "IT'S OVER!"
The Washington Post: "God says world to end tomorrow; women and minorities hardest hit."

Huffington Post: "You'll never believe what God said now!"
Deadline: "Exclusive: God to cancel the world."
Slate: "Why the end of the world may be the best thing for us all."



Salon: Well, Those Republican Bastards Really Did It This Time
NY Daily News: GOD TO EARTH: DROP DEAD
CNN: Miley's Latest Stunt - What Does It Mean For The Children?
 
2013-11-13 05:40:18 PM

Gulper Eel: rugman11: jimpoz: God decided He was finally fed up with the human race and decided to end it for good. He called up a reporter at the New York Times to tell him the news: The world would end the day after tomorrow.

The reporter tried to talk God out of it, but God was firm and wouldn't be swayed. The reporter then asked if he had an exclusive. God said that He was going to call three other newspapers.

Headlines the next day:

The New York Times: "God says world to end tomorrow; story and analysis on page B11."
The Wall Street Journal: "God says world to end tomorrow; market to close early"
USA Today: "IT'S OVER!"
The Washington Post: "God says world to end tomorrow; women and minorities hardest hit."

Huffington Post: "You'll never believe what God said now!"
Deadline: "Exclusive: God to cancel the world."
Slate: "Why the end of the world may be the best thing for us all."


Salon: Well, Those Republican Bastards Really Did It This Time
NY Daily News: GOD TO EARTH: DROP DEAD
CNN: Miley's Latest Stunt - What Does It Mean For The Children?


Reddit: TIL The World Will End Tomorrow
Fark (two days later):
 
2013-11-13 05:50:04 PM

Orgasmatron138: 100 Watt Walrus: Orgasmatron138: Marcus Aurelius: bdub77: Journalism is pretty much dead....   That doesn't mean journalism is actually dead though

Let's see what Bezos does with the Washington Post.

I'm curious to see how that goes, too. I would imagine a subscription of the e-version gets packaged with Prime, but I don't know what you do with print these days. Or the website, for that matter.

My local paper went fee-based for their online version, and the people around here went crazy. WTF? It wasn't free when you had it delivered every day.

Bundling may be the answer. $5/mo for premium access to 20 sources. Something like that. Then you can "turn on" the sources you want, and only those get a share of your $5, not the ones you don't use.

I work for a startup that has a system like this, but we were too early. The CTOs of major outlets were extremely gung-ho, but the 20th-century suits balked and demanded paywalls. As you can see, that's working out just swell for them.

People will pay, although maybe only a little, for content the actually value. But they want it to be their idea, not a paywall. And people want to pay what feels right to them, not a fixed price demanded by the publisher.

Agreed. For example, I love the News Bento app for Windows 8. If I had to pay a monthly fee to bundle the sources I use together, that would be fine. All I ask is a trial period to see if I like the publication.


Ahh, but you see, with the on/off feature in the bundle, you don't need a trial period. You turn on a source, read it for a couple days, don't like it, and turn it back off again. The source gets paid for your couple of days, and you're not out any extra scratch because you're still paying your flat rate.
 
2013-11-13 06:00:27 PM

UNC_Samurai: Women, Minorities Hardest Hit

I'm having flashbacks to the days when I was a dumb high school Republican.  That was what passed for satire in Limbaugh's mind.


Ditto.
 
2013-11-13 06:11:45 PM
 
2013-11-13 06:17:00 PM

COMALite J: I'll just leave this here.


Good one!
 
2013-11-13 06:21:05 PM
Why can't Krugman  figure a way for the paper to make money? Can't they just keep borrowing money and "investing in the future"?

oh wait. I learned on fark that newspapers don't operate like a national economy.
 
2013-11-13 06:29:57 PM

de_Selby: Rapmaster2000: Nate Silver, who sprinted to ESPN; David Pogue, who decamped to Yahoo News; Jeff Zeleny, who left for ABC News; and Rick Berke, who is en route to POLITICO.

Really working the thesaurus there.

Then the author repeated "decamped" in the NEXT para, which I found very lame: "Matt Bai, The New York Times Magazine's chief political correspondent, decamped to Yahoo..."


Bailed, fled, absconded, vamoosed, scampered, skittered, hightailed, slunk, oozed, skipped, waltzed, vaulted, zipped, bolted, skedaddled, teleported ...
 
2013-11-13 07:59:54 PM
I logged in just to tell subby "good job".
 
2013-11-13 08:30:50 PM

BalugaJoe: They hate Jews over there.


Arthur Sulzberger hates Jews.
 
2013-11-13 09:24:31 PM

Vectron: Why can't Krugman  figure a way for the paper to make money? Can't they just keep borrowing money and "investing in the future"?

oh wait. I learned on fark that newspapers don't operate like a national economy.


Newspapers can't borrow at 0.1% interest, no.
 
2013-11-13 09:28:30 PM

jjorsett: de_Selby: Rapmaster2000: Nate Silver, who sprinted to ESPN; David Pogue, who decamped to Yahoo News; Jeff Zeleny, who left for ABC News; and Rick Berke, who is en route to POLITICO.

Really working the thesaurus there.

Then the author repeated "decamped" in the NEXT para, which I found very lame: "Matt Bai, The New York Times Magazine's chief political correspondent, decamped to Yahoo..."

Bailed, fled, absconded, vamoosed, scampered, skittered, hightailed, slunk, oozed, skipped, waltzed, vaulted, zipped, bolted, skedaddled, teleported ...


ankled
 
2013-11-13 09:28:46 PM

skrame: Gulper Eel: rugman11: jimpoz: God decided He was finally fed up with the human race and decided to end it for good. He called up a reporter at the New York Times to tell him the news: The world would end the day after tomorrow.

The reporter tried to talk God out of it, but God was firm and wouldn't be swayed. The reporter then asked if he had an exclusive. God said that He was going to call three other newspapers.

Headlines the next day:

The New York Times: "God says world to end tomorrow; story and analysis on page B11."
The Wall Street Journal: "God says world to end tomorrow; market to close early"
USA Today: "IT'S OVER!"
The Washington Post: "God says world to end tomorrow; women and minorities hardest hit."

Huffington Post: "You'll never believe what God said now!"
Deadline: "Exclusive: God to cancel the world."
Slate: "Why the end of the world may be the best thing for us all."


Salon: Well, Those Republican Bastards Really Did It This Time
NY Daily News: GOD TO EARTH: DROP DEAD
CNN: Miley's Latest Stunt - What Does It Mean For The Children?

Reddit: TIL The World Will End Tomorrow
Fark (two days later):


4chan: is OP a F****ot if he an heroes to avoid Armageddon?
 
2013-11-13 09:29:35 PM

100 Watt Walrus: jjorsett: de_Selby: Rapmaster2000: Nate Silver, who sprinted to ESPN; David Pogue, who decamped to Yahoo News; Jeff Zeleny, who left for ABC News; and Rick Berke, who is en route to POLITICO.

Really working the thesaurus there.

Then the author repeated "decamped" in the NEXT para, which I found very lame: "Matt Bai, The New York Times Magazine's chief political correspondent, decamped to Yahoo..."

Bailed, fled, absconded, vamoosed, scampered, skittered, hightailed, slunk, oozed, skipped, waltzed, vaulted, zipped, bolted, skedaddled, teleported ...

ankled


DAMMIT, Fark ate my carrots. Let's try that again:

[Variety] ankled [/Variety]
 
2013-11-13 09:34:02 PM

Cold soup: This is even happening on a local basis. Little local reporters that none of you have ever heard of are telling local dailies and weeklies in my area to get bent, opening their own little news websites and selling advertising to businesses within their coverage area.

As local news coverage has thinned, and along with it local news staffs, corporate owned local news outlets are relying more and more on statewide/national advertising campaigns funded by larger companies that do regional or statewide ad buys. The little guys don't want to hand money over to an organization that doesn't even have an office in their town, but instead two or three towns over that operates as a headquarters for a staff of reporters who cover the news remotely and pop into their beat when something's happening.

Those savvy reporters who are entrenched and have their own brand are making a living picking up what those corporate owned conglomerations of local media outlets have left on the table, because they're organizationally too top-heavy and can't maintain all of the parasitic executives and middle managers while simultaneously maintaining the newsrooms that are necessary to win those local advertisers' support.


Have all the local papers switched to the "middle school overdue 1 page paper" model of giant farking picture with 6 column inches of story?

My local paper (courier-journal) screwed their content up too much for me.  I used to be a daily reader but the content got smaller, ads bigger. Then they shank the physical page down a few inches and went to "ooh color!" and make the pictures bigger.  The national reporting was just chopped down AP reports that were so short and accurate that it makes Fark headlines look like serious lengthy analysis.  Anytime I knew anything at all about the local story I could spot errors all over it so I stopped trusting them for local coverage too.  Then their editorial page is just dogmatic but can't even make a coherent point.  Even their local sports coverage has become chopped and useless.  How can the only daily paper in a town with 1 major team (Louisville Cardinals) barely find 6 inches of stuff to talk about on a given weekday?  An RSS feed for each sport and a blurb would be more info than the CJ provides on a given day about the university athletics.  Somehow their are 2 or 3 subscription based blogs that can dig up enough sports new at the school to keep people paying for that.

I also used to daily read the WSJ print edition.  I liked it more because the articles were longer and had more details, didn't always agree with the editorials but they were usually at least coherent within themselves.  If they are still like that, I wish they'd start a regional sports/metro addition to the national WSJ and I'd pick it up in a heartbeat.
 
2013-11-13 09:57:39 PM
A more realistic headline would be: "World Ends Tomorrow! Women, minorities affected most"
 
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