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(Boston Herald)   Red Sox manager loses to Red Sox manager over who is the best manager of the Red Sox   (bostonherald.com) divider line 64
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2013-11-13 08:00:09 AM  
Red Sox.
 
2013-11-13 08:06:17 AM  
Yes, having a giant payroll should count against you. Francona pulled off a 24 game swing and actually got a few free agents in town. The tribe was punching well above their weight class. Boston did what Boston was supposed to do. All the Sox manager had to do was keep the ship pointed in the right direction. Francona built the ship, shoveled the coal in and steered it all at the same time ... as do all small market managers. Which is why they SHOULD win the award. Unless something truly extraordinary happens to a big market manager, they shouldn't even sniff the award.
 
2013-11-13 08:09:19 AM  
Oh my God, shut up. Who gives a flying fark about who wins manager of the year?

Cry more.
 
2013-11-13 08:09:57 AM  
Hurdle and Tito were no-brainier picks. Both well-deserving.
 
2013-11-13 08:12:08 AM  
It's always fun to watch big market teams whine over imagined slights.
 
2013-11-13 08:16:30 AM  
That worst to first would count for something if last season wasn't the result of a terrible job by Valentine.  There is no way that team should have finished last.
 
2013-11-13 08:16:45 AM  
Boston writer mad that former Boston manager won an award that he should have won while in Boston, but instead won while not in Boston over the current Boston Manager who is in Boston now?  For some reason I'm not surprised by this.

/Tom Brady
 
2013-11-13 08:18:16 AM  

timswar: It's always fun to watch big market teams whine over imagined slights.


I don't think the players are upset over Francona winning the award considering that it was the big heads the one that made all the drama with Francona and ran him out of town
 
2013-11-13 08:21:09 AM  

timswar: It's always fun to watch big market teams whine over imagined slights.


dude, it's the herald that's pissy. The Sox congratulated Francona over it. He deserved it and the only ones pissy about it are Boston sports writers for the crappiest paper in the city
 
2013-11-13 08:24:46 AM  
For all non-Boston residents:  This is the Boston Herald. It's a rag. A waste of paper. Any sports headline submitted from the Herald is usually written by hacks and homers and can be ignored.

I'm not sure there is anyone in Boston who expected Farrell to win. Not because he didn't do a decent job, but plenty of other managers had much less to work with. Glad to see Tito was recognized for his efforts in Cleveland.
 
2013-11-13 08:25:09 AM  
media.yourdailymedia.com
 
2013-11-13 08:31:06 AM  

WinoRhino: For all non-Boston residents:  This is the Boston Herald. It's a rag. A waste of paper. Any sports headline submitted from the Herald is usually written by hacks and homers and can be ignored.

I'm not sure there is anyone in Boston who expected Farrell to win. Not because he didn't do a decent job, but plenty of other managers had much less to work with. Glad to see Tito was recognized for his efforts in Cleveland.


This.
 
2013-11-13 08:31:56 AM  

degenerate-afro: /Tom Brady


It's funny you end with that, since the writer of this particular story (John Tomase) was the the Boston Sports writer who first wrote the article about the Patriots video taping the Ram's walk-through before the Superbowl. He was persona-non-grata with the Patriots and city of Boston for a while, if not still.
 
2013-11-13 08:33:15 AM  
 
2013-11-13 08:35:17 AM  

ksobby: Yes, having a giant payroll should count against you. Francona pulled off a 24 game swing and actually got a few free agents in town. The tribe was punching well above their weight class. Boston did what Boston was supposed to do. All the Sox manager had to do was keep the ship pointed in the right direction. Francona built the ship, shoveled the coal in and steered it all at the same time ... as do all small market managers. Which is why they SHOULD win the award. Unless something truly extraordinary happens to a big market manager, they shouldn't even sniff the award.


Just look at the Yankees - that big payroll can drown your team as much as help.

And the AL Central is no AL East. Boston did what they were supposed to do? This was supposed to be a bridge year, Who had Boston in the playoffs? All the talk was Blue Jays, Rays and Orioles.

I'm not saying Francona didn't have a hell of a year, but I think Farrell had a better one. But them the breaks. He'll just have to settle for his world series ring and a pile of money.
 
2013-11-13 08:38:26 AM  
RalphW: As much as I like ragging on the Herald, they are not the only Boston newspaper with whiny writers:

Not that I hold out much hope for any sort of decent sports writing in this town, but they need to get their heads out of their asses. At least Sports Hub this morning was saying they agreed with Francona winning.
 
2013-11-13 08:44:14 AM  
Meh.

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2013-11-13 08:44:39 AM  

RalphW: As much as I like ragging on the Herald, they are not the only Boston newspaper with whiny writers:


http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/13/voters-wrong-naming-ter ry -francona-american-league-manager-year-not-john-farrell/KSGxJy0zlosctm B6JCTW6N/story.html


I expected the Curly Haired Boy to be the one complaining, but yeah...
 
2013-11-13 08:45:26 AM  

RalphW: As much as I like ragging on the Herald, they are not the only Boston newspaper with whiny writers:


http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/11/13/voters-wrong-naming-ter ry -francona-american-league-manager-year-not-john-farrell/KSGxJy0zlosctm B6JCTW6N/story.html


Cafardo is a sad old man that needs to hang up the type writer.
 
2013-11-13 08:46:03 AM  

WinoRhino: degenerate-afro: /Tom Brady

It's funny you end with that, since the writer of this particular story (John Tomase) was the the Boston Sports writer who first wrote the article about the Patriots video taping the Ram's walk-through before the Superbowl. He was persona-non-grata with the Patriots and city of Boston for a while, if not still.


So are you denying that John Tomase is a Boston Writer who lives and Boston and covers the Boston Red Sox as a Boston beat writer and actively cheers for the Boston Red Sox?
 
2013-11-13 08:49:14 AM  

Publikwerks: Who had Boston in the playoffs?


I did. I picked them to win the division before their first game was played. Baltimore had far too many 1-run victories in 2012 to think they'd do as well in 2012. The Yankees were old and had pitching questions. I figured the Jays to do well but fold, like what happened to the "Best Red Sox Team Ever!" previously. Tampa Bay just didn't have enough offense and they lost a starting pitcher.
 
2013-11-13 08:54:52 AM  

degenerate-afro: So are you denying that John Tomase is a Boston Writer who lives and Boston and covers the Boston Red Sox as a Boston beat writer and actively cheers for the Boston Red Sox?


No, I'm laughing at your insinuation that he's a Patriots / Tom Brady worshiper. I sincerely just thought it was funny that you ended with "Tom Brady" when there is no writer in Boston hated more by that organization.  As a non-Boston resident you wouldn't have known that. The tone wasn't sarcastic, though I see how it could be read that way. It was more of a "you might not realize it, but that's kind-of funny given the history."
 
2013-11-13 09:08:10 AM  
Fark John Farrell with the weener of an angry moose.

/gojaysgo
 
2013-11-13 09:13:20 AM  
winning in a big market, even with a big payroll, is a feat worth rewarding.

No, no it isn't you pompous ass.

 

ksobby: Boston did what Boston was supposed to do. All the Sox manager had to do was keep the ship pointed in the right direction


And the people who actually cast the votes know this.
 
2013-11-13 09:18:46 AM  

ltdanman44: winning in a big market, even with a big payroll, is a feat worth rewarding.

No, no it isn't you pompous ass.

 ksobby: Boston did what Boston was supposed to do. All the Sox manager had to do was keep the ship pointed in the right direction

And the people who actually cast the votes know this.


Boston wasn't "supposed to win" this year. Now granted, this year's expectations were probably skewed by how terribly Valentine was last year, but as pointed out, in the offseason, all anyone talked/wrote about were the Jays and to a lesser extend the Os and Rays.

I think Francona was probably the correct winner, but I don't really have a gripe with Farrell winning as many votes as he did (even if much of the team's improvement was simply due to him not being Valentine). I even think Girardi got the proper amount of votes considering how "successful" the New York Travelling Trauma and Geriatric Ward Road Show was.
 
2013-11-13 09:23:55 AM  

timswar: It's always fun to watch big market teams whine over imagined slights.


If they dont think what Terry did in Cleveland is more impressive than what Boston did then they are horrible baseball fans.
 
2013-11-13 09:31:33 AM  
The real tragedy of this season was missing Francona bring The Indians to Fenway for the ALDS.
 
2013-11-13 10:13:22 AM  
Ben Cherington won General Manager of the year.
He got the pieces for Farrell to lead.

Tito did a great job. Congrats.
He'll never have to pay for a beer in Boston.
/or a bucket of fried chicken
 
2013-11-13 10:23:31 AM  

WinoRhino: Publikwerks: Who had Boston in the playoffs?

I did. I picked them to win the division before their first game was played. Baltimore had far too many 1-run victories in 2012 to think they'd do as well in 2012. The Yankees were old and had pitching questions. I figured the Jays to do well but fold, like what happened to the "Best Red Sox Team Ever!" previously. Tampa Bay just didn't have enough offense and they lost a starting pitcher.


I dunno, the Jay's were due for a good season, and the Rays are a perennial pain in the ass. I figured the BoSox would show up, put up a decent season, maybe some of the Rookies would show up, but I was ready for a middle of the road season.

Anyway, Tito also did a heck of a job, so hats off to him.
 
2013-11-13 10:29:39 AM  
Dear Boston Media:
Get over it.  It's less expected that the Indians could do what they did with who they did it with, than the Red Sox turning it around and stop under-performing on a ridiculous scale.  Winning a title is not, nor has it ever been, a yardstick for MOY, nor should it be.

Sincerely,
Media-hating Red Sox fans everywhere.

PS: If I hear the word "closure" one more time in reference to the goddamned Marathon bombings, I'm gonna shoot the person who said it in the foot, staple the wound closed and say "Here's your goddamned closure!"

\seriously, they're making Rudy Guliani seem like he was mute about the existence of 9/11
 
2013-11-13 10:37:28 AM  
Tips hat to Tito.  Miss ya Mang!
 
2013-11-13 10:43:43 AM  

FriarReb98: PS: If I hear the word "closure" one more time in reference to the goddamned Marathon bombings, I'm gonna shoot the person who said it in the foot, staple the wound closed and say "Here's your goddamned closure!"


as a Boston sports fan, I fully agree with this
 
2013-11-13 10:59:24 AM  

Publikwerks: ksobby: Yes, having a giant payroll should count against you. Francona pulled off a 24 game swing and actually got a few free agents in town. The tribe was punching well above their weight class. Boston did what Boston was supposed to do. All the Sox manager had to do was keep the ship pointed in the right direction. Francona built the ship, shoveled the coal in and steered it all at the same time ... as do all small market managers. Which is why they SHOULD win the award. Unless something truly extraordinary happens to a big market manager, they shouldn't even sniff the award.

Just look at the Yankees - that big payroll can drown your team as much as help.

And the AL Central is no AL East.

The gap between the east and central is not that large.

 
2013-11-13 11:08:29 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: The gap between the east and central is not that large.


lol

The AL Central is improving, yes, but it's still nowhere near on par with the East or even the West.
 
2013-11-13 11:34:34 AM  

WinoRhino: degenerate-afro: So are you denying that John Tomase is a Boston Writer who lives and Boston and covers the Boston Red Sox as a Boston beat writer and actively cheers for the Boston Red Sox?

No, I'm laughing at your insinuation that he's a Patriots / Tom Brady worshiper. I sincerely just thought it was funny that you ended with "Tom Brady" when there is no writer in Boston hated more by that organization.  As a non-Boston resident you wouldn't have known that. The tone wasn't sarcastic, though I see how it could be read that way. It was more of a "you might not realize it, but that's kind-of funny given the history."


I didn't say he worshiped Tom Brady, I included Tom Brady at the end of the statement since I thought saying Boston would be a bit too much.

/Boston
 
2013-11-13 11:45:13 AM  

WinoRhino: degenerate-afro: /Tom Brady

It's funny you end with that, since the writer of this particular story (John Tomase) was the the Boston Sports writer who first wrote the article about the Patriots video taping the Ram's walk-through before the Superbowl. He was persona-non-grata with the Patriots and city of Boston for a while, if not still.


The fact that any paper of record would hire Tomase is mind boggling. He has zero credibility and should have been laughed out of the world of sports journalism.
 
2013-11-13 12:12:14 PM  

ksobby: Yes, having a giant payroll should count against you. Francona pulled off a 24 game swing and actually got a few free agents in town. The tribe was punching well above their weight class. Boston did what Boston was supposed to do. All the Sox manager had to do was keep the ship pointed in the right direction. Francona built the ship, shoveled the coal in and steered it all at the same time ... as do all small market managers. Which is why they SHOULD win the award. Unless something truly extraordinary happens to a big market manager, they shouldn't even sniff the award.


I don't disagree that someone other than Farrell deserved it, but the Red Sox went from 69 wins to 97.  Farrell took a trainwreck and locked down the environment.  You could argue that Cleveland's clubhouse was much less toxic than Boston's, and that all Francona had to do was steer the ship he had.  A 28 win improvement to 24.  Now, what, are we talking about who was a worse manager: Manny Acta or Bobby Valentine?  Is that how we determine manager of the year now?

Beyond that, it's tough to take the rest of your argument and not give the award to Bob Melvin, who had a lower payroll and more wins. (then do we talk about environment, division/schedule strength, etc. blah blah blah?)

I'm glad Francona won it, but the whole thing is argumentative and nonsense (but yes, fun) at best.  It's really a convergence the personnel people, the manager and coaches, and the players that decide the award.  So now I suppose we're saying Antonetti is a lucky POS GM and that we expected the BIlly Beanes and Ben Cheringtons (among others) to do their jobs well.
/OK, now I'm just babble-typing.
 
2013-11-13 12:17:54 PM  

Patronick313: WinoRhino: degenerate-afro: /Tom Brady

It's funny you end with that, since the writer of this particular story (John Tomase) was the the Boston Sports writer who first wrote the article about the Patriots video taping the Ram's walk-through before the Superbowl. He was persona-non-grata with the Patriots and city of Boston for a while, if not still.

The fact that any paper of record would hire Tomase is mind boggling. He has zero credibility and should have been laughed out of the world of sports journalism.


We're talking about the paper with Ron Borges, Gerry Callahan, Howie Carr, and even with recent-enough contributions from Mike Barnicle.  Tomase fits right in there,  and it's actually a little sad, since he's so much younger than those lifetime blowhards.
 
2013-11-13 12:18:19 PM  

Patronick313: The fact that any paper of record would hire Tomase is mind boggling. He has zero credibility and should have been laughed out of the world of sports journalism.


For the record, in college at Tufts, Tomase could beat anyone in Sega NHL '94 / '95. People used to play the Blackhawks and he'd play some shiatty team and still own them. Good times.
 
2013-11-13 12:23:43 PM  

ksobby: Yes, having a giant payroll should count against you. Francona pulled off a 24 game swing and actually got a few free agents in town. The tribe was punching well above their weight class. Boston did what Boston was supposed to do. All the Sox manager had to do was keep the ship pointed in the right direction. Francona built the ship, shoveled the coal in and steered it all at the same time ... as do all small market managers. Which is why they SHOULD win the award. Unless something truly extraordinary happens to a big market manager, they shouldn't even sniff the award.


At the beginning of this year, nobody thought the Red Sox were going to be competitive, let alone win it all.  Remember all the hype about the sell-out streak going buh-bye at the beginning of the season?

I'm not saying that Farrell should have won, excellent cases can be made for both him and Tito, but lighten up Francis.
 
2013-11-13 12:24:59 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Oh my God, shut up. Who gives a flying fark about who wins manager of the year?


Since you bothered to click on the thread and reply to it, the answer is "you."
 
2013-11-13 12:58:22 PM  

LessO2: Yanks_RSJ: Oh my God, shut up. Who gives a flying fark about who wins manager of the year?

Since you bothered to click on the thread and reply to it, the answer is "you."


Had I cared about who won the award, I probably would have tuned in to MLB Network yesterday when they aired the announcement.  My interest here is the whining of the Boston media, who are suddenly victims of "big market bias" after selling us all on the gritty, blue-collar Red Sox for the last 7 months.
 
2013-11-13 01:15:42 PM  
As a Jays fan I couldn't be happier. Francona is the guy who was open to being a Jay but we turned him down for Farrell/Gibbons, look how well that worked out for us. We might have been a contending team with Francona at the helm. Just more reminders of how incompetent our head office is in attaining/retaining top talent.
 
2013-11-13 01:34:55 PM  

WinoRhino: degenerate-afro: So are you denying that John Tomase is a Boston Writer who lives and Boston and covers the Boston Red Sox as a Boston beat writer and actively cheers for the Boston Red Sox?

No, I'm laughing at your insinuation that he's a Patriots / Tom Brady worshiper. I sincerely just thought it was funny that you ended with "Tom Brady" when there is no writer in Boston hated more by that organization.  As a non-Boston resident you wouldn't have known that. The tone wasn't sarcastic, though I see how it could be read that way. It was more of a "you might not realize it, but that's kind-of funny given the history."


Tomase hated more than Ron Borges?  I'm not so sure about that, but I could be wrong.
 
2013-11-13 01:37:48 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: LessO2: Yanks_RSJ: Oh my God, shut up. Who gives a flying fark about who wins manager of the year?

Since you bothered to click on the thread and reply to it, the answer is "you."

Had I cared about who won the award, I probably would have tuned in to MLB Network yesterday when they aired the announcement.  My interest here is the whining of the Boston media, who are suddenly victims of "big market bias" after selling us all on the gritty, blue-collar Red Sox for the last 7 months.


Thanks for confirming my point.
 
2013-11-13 01:41:50 PM  
Yeah, maybe the farking classlessness he showed in using Toronto as a stepping off point and publically tying the hands of the organization and forcing them to trade him (really?) by saying 'Boston would be my dreeeeaaaam job' with a big kissyface didn't sit well with tbe voters.

As far as I'm concerned, he failed to complete a contract. Dirty shenanigans. Eff that guy.
 
2013-11-13 02:30:54 PM  

MBP2112: Tomase hated more than Ron Borges? I'm not so sure about that, but I could be wrong.


Is Borges even around any more?
 
2013-11-13 03:03:31 PM  

Publikwerks: ksobby: Yes, having a giant payroll should count against you. Francona pulled off a 24 game swing and actually got a few free agents in town. The tribe was punching well above their weight class. Boston did what Boston was supposed to do. All the Sox manager had to do was keep the ship pointed in the right direction. Francona built the ship, shoveled the coal in and steered it all at the same time ... as do all small market managers. Which is why they SHOULD win the award. Unless something truly extraordinary happens to a big market manager, they shouldn't even sniff the award.

Just look at the Yankees - that big payroll can drown your team as much as help.

And the AL Central is no AL East. Boston did what they were supposed to do? This was supposed to be a bridge year, Who had Boston in the playoffs? All the talk was Blue Jays, Rays and Orioles.

I'm not saying Francona didn't have a hell of a year, but I think Farrell had a better one. But them the breaks. He'll just have to settle for his world series ring and a pile of money.


Farrell also had a GM that could spend money on lots of talent. Francona made the playoffs with a hell of a lot less talent. Francona deserved it.
 
2013-11-13 03:43:26 PM  

FriarReb98: Dear Boston Media:
Get over it.  It's less expected that the Indians could do what they did with who they did it with, than the Red Sox turning it around and stop under-performing on a ridiculous scale.  Winning a title is not, nor has it ever been, a yardstick for MOY, nor should it be.

Sincerely,
Media-hating Red Sox fans everywhere.

PS: If I hear the word "closure" one more time in reference to the goddamned Marathon bombings, I'm gonna shoot the person who said it in the foot, staple the wound closed and say "Here's your goddamned closure!"

\seriously, they're making Rudy Guliani seem like he was mute about the existence of 9/11


This^
Seriously, 3 people died.  Get over it Boston.  Washington DC had a mass shooting, 12 dead two months ago and there aren't "DC Strong" banners everywhere.  Grow a pair, Beantown.  There was less hand wringing  in Newtown with 20 kids murdered than in Boston.
 
2013-11-13 03:46:27 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: LessO2: Yanks_RSJ: Oh my God, shut up. Who gives a flying fark about who wins manager of the year?

Since you bothered to click on the thread and reply to it, the answer is "you."

Had I cared about who won the award, I probably would have tuned in to MLB Network yesterday when they aired the announcement.  My interest here is the whining of the Boston media, who are suddenly victims of "big market bias" after selling us all on the gritty, blue-collar Red Sox for the last 7 months.


Gritty and blue-collar being synonyms for "white."

Really, how many black and Latino players are called "gritty"?  Robby Cano is 10 times the player that Dustin Pedroia is, but Pedroia is "gritty." and furthermore
 
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