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2013-11-13 08:17:06 AM
Those 'shiatty" plans were mutually agreed upon and voluntarily entered into by both parties.  The individuals who chose them felt they understood their own personal needs better than the collective bureaucracy in DC.  Those plans were only cancelled because gov't deemed them unacceptable and forced customers buy a gov't approved plan.  Obama explicitly and repeatedly assured America that the plans they chose were safe from his tampering.  Gov't overreach, lies and stunning, naked incompetence have secured the Obama legacy.
 
2013-11-13 08:18:55 AM
So Fark, which greens multiple articles every day on this manufactured scandal, is now lamenting the fact that this scandal is manufactured. Did the admins just divided by zero?

I was also told the other night that these plans never existed
 
2013-11-13 08:25:37 AM
It's also odd that the people that want a woman to get her vajayjay probed for a medical procedure are against regulations to ensure she can afford the doctor's visit because of excessive government regulation and individual rights
 
2013-11-13 08:25:51 AM

Peter von Nostrand: So Fark, which greens multiple articles every day on this manufactured scandal, is now lamenting the fact that this scandal is manufactured. Did the admins just divided by zero?

I was also told the other night that these plans never existed


Manufactured?  Tell that to 1 million people in Calif alone that have had their policies cancelled.  Manufactured, by Obama and his clown circus.
 
2013-11-13 08:28:01 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Tell that to 1 million people in Calif alone that have had their policies cancelled. Manufactured, by Obama and his clown circus.


so 1 million Californians never realized they were being hosed by their insurers and are not upset by the fact that Obama is calling them out on not being all too bright?
 
2013-11-13 08:33:35 AM
Obama was wrong in what he said. It doesn't matter why, it doesn't matter that the plans were bad, etc. He was wrong.

There were good reasons that he was wrong, but he was still wrong.

So let them have that.

They have worked for years for something, ANYTHING, from birth certificates to muslimism to Kenyanism to smoking to his priest, not closing Guantanamo, Benghazi...I've lost track of it all but I'm sure there's more.

And all along the way Obama has slapped them down, forcing them to accept an unending string of massive victories.

They even tried to make it a scandal that the photo op when he was announcing the death of Bin Laden was staged. They were that desperate.

Obamacare is going through and it's going to be a huge success. They already know this so they're trying to rebrand it ACA now because they don't want Obama being hailed for it 10 years from now.

But he was wrong about something and they have it finally, they finally have their trinket. He was wrong after all. Normally nobody would even give a crap because it's so outrageously minor, but it's all they've got.

So let them have it.
 
2013-11-13 08:39:05 AM

somedude210: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Tell that to 1 million people in Calif alone that have had their policies cancelled. Manufactured, by Obama and his clown circus.

so 1 million Californians never realized they were being hosed by their insurers and are not upset by the fact that Obama is calling them out on not being all too bright?


Whether they did or didn't does not matter. There is no law against being stupid. The political blowback from this clusterf*ck will become quite apparent next election cycle. Dems up for election are breaking ranks faster than you can say ebola virus.  Only two weeks remain to fix the site and restore credibility.  I'd say chances are better at finding Sasquatch.
 
2013-11-13 08:46:00 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Whether they did or didn't does not matter. There is no law against being stupid. The political blowback from this clusterf*ck will become quite apparent next election cycle. Dems up for election are breaking ranks faster than you can say ebola virus. Only two weeks remain to fix the site and restore credibility. I'd say chances are better at finding Sasquatch.


no no, I'm not going to excuse people's stupidity, we do that far too much. People are getting pissy that their shiatty coverage is being dropped so they have to buy the minimum worthwhile coverage that happens to cost a bit more because it actually covers something.

You should be angry, you should be pissed, Obama is not who you should be pissed at. The insurance companies who charged you $200+ for health insurance that barely meets the minimum requirements of "insurance" are who you should be pissed with
 
2013-11-13 08:51:06 AM
A good number of people who file for bankruptcy because of overwhelming healthcare bills had insurance. This is the kind of insurance they had - the kind that takes your money and doesn't actually cover anything.
 
2013-11-13 08:51:24 AM
Why would the federal website matter to Californians?
 
2013-11-13 08:51:45 AM

Il Douchey: Those 'shiatty" plans were mutually agreed upon and voluntarily entered into by both parties.  The individuals who chose them felt they understood their own personal needs better than the collective bureaucracy in DC.  Those plans were only cancelled because gov't deemed them unacceptable and forced customers buy a gov't approved plan.  Obama explicitly and repeatedly assured America that the plans they chose were safe from his tampering.  Gov't overreach, lies and stunning, naked incompetence have secured the Obama legacy.


2/10. Needs more "0bamacare" to be believable derp.
 
2013-11-13 08:52:52 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: There is no law against being stupid.


No, but there are laws against doing stupid things. A restaurant cannot put shards of glass in your drink instead of ice, even if you ask them to. We have, as a society, agreed that certain business relationships aren't allowed to be dictated solely by the participants in that relationship, usually because these relationships can create negative externalities which create costs which must be borne by society at large.
 
2013-11-13 08:53:52 AM
The Republicans are putting their own nuts in a vice over this.  They're pushing for a law which will say that plans which don't meet the new Obamacare standards don't have to be cancelled ... which will do jack-shiat since those plans were already grandfathered in under Obamacare anyway.

Unless that legislation includes a provision to force the insurance companies to sell those old plans instead of keeping them on the newer,  more profitable ones they're trying to switch people to then the republicans are going to have to do a nice bit of dancing to explain why their fix resulted in exactly zero people getting their old plans re-instated.
 
2013-11-13 08:57:10 AM
WHY CAN'T I BUY LEAD PAINT OR ASBESTOS ANYMORE!

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
 
2013-11-13 08:58:11 AM

Il Douchey: Those 'shiatty" plans were mutually agreed upon and voluntarily entered into by both parties.  The individuals who chose them felt they understood their own personal needs better than the collective bureaucracy in DC.  Those plans were only cancelled because gov't deemed them unacceptable and forced customers buy a gov't approved plan.  Obama explicitly and repeatedly assured America that the plans they chose were safe from his tampering.  Gov't overreach, lies and stunning, naked incompetence have secured the Obama legacy.


Thread over.
 
2013-11-13 08:58:44 AM
Not a single one of the companies who are cancelling these policies were "forced" to do so because of ACA.

Every single one of them was grandfathered in and could continue to offer the same plan to their existing customers per 42 USC Section 18011.  Hell, they can even add new employees (if a group plan) or new family members to the plan if it was an individual/family plan.

The fact is that these companies were not required to do a damned thing because of "Obamacare."  If they chose to stop offering/renewing their coverage, that's completely on them because they had no additional duties, costs or compliance issues under ACA.
 
2013-11-13 08:59:42 AM

Barfmaker: Obama was wrong in what he said. It doesn't matter why, it doesn't matter that the plans were bad, etc. He was wrong.


nope

it was a substantially true statement

plans held before 3/10 are exempt from the new requirements of the ACA
 
2013-11-13 09:01:17 AM
Remember when the media and conservatives were outraged about the "death panels" lies? I don't either.
 
2013-11-13 09:01:23 AM

Il Douchey: Those 'shiatty" plans were mutually agreed upon and voluntarily entered into by both parties.  The individuals who chose them felt they understood their own personal needs better than the collective bureaucracy in DC.  Those plans were only cancelled because gov't deemed them unacceptable and forced customers buy a gov't approved plan.  Obama explicitly and repeatedly assured America that the plans they chose were safe from his tampering.  Gov't overreach, lies and stunning, naked incompetence have secured the Obama legacy.


Pretty sure "First minority President," "had OBL, the mastermind behind 9/11 killed," "took the first steps in reforming healthcare," and "had US military help depose Gaddafi with popular international support" despite the most historically intransigent Congress in US history are going to be larger parts of that legacy than "continued domestic spying," "underestimated the assholery of health insurance companies," and "bad at website implementation" are.

/And I didn't even vote for the guy!
 
2013-11-13 09:01:39 AM

lawboy87: Not a single one of the companies who are cancelling these policies were "forced" to do so because of ACA.

Every single one of them was grandfathered in and could continue to offer the same plan to their existing customers per 42 USC Section 18011.  Hell, they can even add new employees (if a group plan) or new family members to the plan if it was an individual/family plan.

The fact is that these companies were not required to do a damned thing because of "Obamacare."  If they chose to stop offering/renewing their coverage, that's completely on them because they had no additional duties, costs or compliance issues under ACA.


No one cares.  The truth doesn't sell controversy.
 
2013-11-13 09:02:37 AM

Karac: The Republicans are putting their own nuts in a vice over this.  They're pushing for a law which will say that plans which don't meet the new Obamacare standards don't have to be cancelled ... which will do jack-shiat since those plans were already grandfathered in under Obamacare anyway.

Unless that legislation includes a provision to force the insurance companies to sell those old plans instead of keeping them on the newer,  more profitable ones they're trying to switch people to then the republicans are going to have to do a nice bit of dancing to explain why their fix resulted in exactly zero people getting their old plans re-instated.


So, forgive me for not following this closely, but if plans that existed before the ACA went into effect were grandfathered in, then what's with all the pearl-clutching?
 
2013-11-13 09:03:30 AM

Barfmaker: Obama was wrong in what he said. It doesn't matter why, it doesn't matter that the plans were bad, etc. He was wrong.

There were good reasons that he was wrong, but he was still wrong.

So let them have that.

They have worked for years for something, ANYTHING, from birth certificates to muslimism to Kenyanism to smoking to his priest, not closing Guantanamo, Benghazi...I've lost track of it all but I'm sure there's more.

And all along the way Obama has slapped them down, forcing them to accept an unending string of massive victories.

They even tried to make it a scandal that the photo op when he was announcing the death of Bin Laden was staged. They were that desperate.

Obamacare is going through and it's going to be a huge success. They already know this so they're trying to rebrand it ACA now because they don't want Obama being hailed for it 10 years from now.

But he was wrong about something and they have it finally, they finally have their trinket. He was wrong after all. Normally nobody would even give a crap because it's so outrageously minor, but it's all they've got.

So let them have it.


Whatever you are smoking, I want none of it...  sounds like it,s major component is koolaid..  if you will pull your head out of Obama,s rectum for a minute and look around, you might learn something.... but I doubt it......
 
2013-11-13 09:03:33 AM

whatsupchuck: whatsupchuck: In a vice, maybe.  In a vise, not so much.

And now the mods fix the headline.  *sigh*


Misspelling is key to green!
 
2013-11-13 09:03:34 AM
"The fact is that these companies were not required to do a damned thing because of "Obamacare..."


Too funny...
 
2013-11-13 09:04:18 AM

mediaho: So, forgive me for not following this closely, but if plans that existed before the ACA went into effect were grandfathered in, then what's with all the pearl-clutching?


the "liberal" media is once again buying into the narrative set by the lying human garbage that makes up the GOP
 
2013-11-13 09:04:25 AM
Those bastard Koch brothers got to Bill Clinton and NPR too!
 
2013-11-13 09:04:35 AM

baltimoreron: Il Douchey: Those 'shiatty" plans were mutually agreed upon and voluntarily entered into by both parties.  The individuals who chose them felt they understood their own personal needs better than the collective bureaucracy in DC.  Those plans were only cancelled because gov't deemed them unacceptable and forced customers buy a gov't approved plan.  Obama explicitly and repeatedly assured America that the plans they chose were safe from his tampering.  Gov't overreach, lies and stunning, naked incompetence have secured the Obama legacy.

Thread over.


ok. bye
 
2013-11-13 09:05:25 AM
and low to medium information voters are of course going along with it, because "both sides are bad and furthermore" is an extremely seductive viewpoint, since it requires literally 0 analysis of issues that aren't even particularly complex
 
2013-11-13 09:05:30 AM

OlderGuy: Barfmaker: Obama was wrong in what he said. It doesn't matter why, it doesn't matter that the plans were bad, etc. He was wrong.

There were good reasons that he was wrong, but he was still wrong.

So let them have that.

They have worked for years for something, ANYTHING, from birth certificates to muslimism to Kenyanism to smoking to his priest, not closing Guantanamo, Benghazi...I've lost track of it all but I'm sure there's more.

And all along the way Obama has slapped them down, forcing them to accept an unending string of massive victories.

They even tried to make it a scandal that the photo op when he was announcing the death of Bin Laden was staged. They were that desperate.

Obamacare is going through and it's going to be a huge success. They already know this so they're trying to rebrand it ACA now because they don't want Obama being hailed for it 10 years from now.

But he was wrong about something and they have it finally, they finally have their trinket. He was wrong after all. Normally nobody would even give a crap because it's so outrageously minor, but it's all they've got.

So let them have it.

Whatever you are smoking, I want none of it...  sounds like it,s major component is koolaid..  if you will pull your head out of Obama,s rectum for a minute and look around, you might learn something.... but I doubt it......


His observations seem sound, though I'd prefer not to let them have it.  I don't like to reward bad behavior.
 
2013-11-13 09:08:27 AM

OlderGuy: Whatever you are smoking, I want none of it... sounds like it,s major component is koolaid.. if you will pull your head out of Obama,s rectum for a minute and look around, you might learn something.... but I doubt it......


What is he supposed to learn? Try to tell us some facts, and not republican talking point lies. We are all waiting....
 
2013-11-13 09:08:30 AM
With the level of brand loyalty "conservatives" suddenly show to health insurance it might be wise to sponsor a NASCAR team.
 
2013-11-13 09:09:09 AM

Jackson Herring: and low to medium information voters are of course going along with it, because "both sides are bad and furthermore" is an extremely seductive viewpoint, since it requires literally 0 analysis of issues that aren't even particularly complex


I don't understand why Republicans derisively refer to the President as Messiah either.
 
2013-11-13 09:09:16 AM
this is the biggest outrage since the catalytic converter and unleaded gas and seatbelts
 
2013-11-13 09:09:28 AM

mediaho: Karac: The Republicans are putting their own nuts in a vice over this.  They're pushing for a law which will say that plans which don't meet the new Obamacare standards don't have to be cancelled ... which will do jack-shiat since those plans were already grandfathered in under Obamacare anyway.

Unless that legislation includes a provision to force the insurance companies to sell those old plans instead of keeping them on the newer,  more profitable ones they're trying to switch people to then the republicans are going to have to do a nice bit of dancing to explain why their fix resulted in exactly zero people getting their old plans re-instated.

So, forgive me for not following this closely, but if plans that existed before the ACA went into effect were grandfathered in, then what's with all the pearl-clutching?


The law states that if they insurance company changes the plan in significant ways, it must also be changed to be compatible with the new requirements. HHS has tightened that policy so that if the plan is changed in minor ways it must be made compatible.

The end result is that insurance companies are not required to change the plans, but if they do they might as well cancel the plan and issue a new one. Because the new one may be required to cover more, they are sometimes more expensive. This means Obama's statements about being able to keep your plan are technically not true, and Obamacare critics hope to use this as leverage to get the law changed or repealed.
 
2013-11-13 09:09:53 AM
Because they promised not to cancel any shiatty plans subby. It's not mysterious.
 
2013-11-13 09:12:26 AM

mediaho: Karac: The Republicans are putting their own nuts in a vice over this.  They're pushing for a law which will say that plans which don't meet the new Obamacare standards don't have to be cancelled ... which will do jack-shiat since those plans were already grandfathered in under Obamacare anyway.

Unless that legislation includes a provision to force the insurance companies to sell those old plans instead of keeping them on the newer,  more profitable ones they're trying to switch people to then the republicans are going to have to do a nice bit of dancing to explain why their fix resulted in exactly zero people getting their old plans re-instated.

So, forgive me for not following this closely, but if plans that existed before the ACA went into effect were grandfathered in, then what's with all the pearl-clutching?


They were grandfathered in by the government.  Obama's fault wasn't so much that he lied when he said "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan" - but that he that he assumed most Americans would realize he meant the PPACA wasn't going to cancel your coverage - but neither would the PPACA lock insurance companies to keep selling whatever they did pre-ACA in perpetuity.

Most of these cancellation notices from insurance companies are their way of dropping people from their previous coverage and offering to sell them newer, more expensive plans which do meet Obamacare requirements.

Think of it like this: even if you think Obama is a Kenyan-born Marxist plant devoted to destroying this great Nation ... there's still no reason to think an insurance company won't try to fark you right in the ass - and probably try to blame it on someone else.
 
2013-11-13 09:14:26 AM

TFerWannaBe: HHS has tightened that policy so that if the plan is changed in minor ways it must be made compatible.


Um, no. The requirements have been out since 2010, and have not changed.

http://banyan-llc.com/bc/bc.nsf/hcr/Health-Care-Reform-Bulletin-Gran df ather-Clause

http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/insurance/grandfather/
 
2013-11-13 09:15:44 AM

Dinki: TFerWannaBe: HHS has tightened that policy so that if the plan is changed in minor ways it must be made compatible.

Um, no. The requirements have been out since 2010, and have not changed.

http://banyan-llc.com/bc/bc.nsf/hcr/Health-Care-Reform-Bulletin-Gran df ather-Clause

http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/insurance/grandfather/


but
 
2013-11-13 09:15:57 AM
img.fark.net
 
2013-11-13 09:16:39 AM

Karac: mediaho: Karac: The Republicans are putting their own nuts in a vice over this.  They're pushing for a law which will say that plans which don't meet the new Obamacare standards don't have to be cancelled ... which will do jack-shiat since those plans were already grandfathered in under Obamacare anyway.

Unless that legislation includes a provision to force the insurance companies to sell those old plans instead of keeping them on the newer,  more profitable ones they're trying to switch people to then the republicans are going to have to do a nice bit of dancing to explain why their fix resulted in exactly zero people getting their old plans re-instated.

So, forgive me for not following this closely, but if plans that existed before the ACA went into effect were grandfathered in, then what's with all the pearl-clutching?

They were grandfathered in by the government.  Obama's fault wasn't so much that he lied when he said "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan" - but that he that he assumed most Americans would realize he meant the PPACA wasn't going to cancel your coverage - but neither would the PPACA lock insurance companies to keep selling whatever they did pre-ACA in perpetuity.

Most of these cancellation notices from insurance companies are their way of dropping people from their previous coverage and offering to sell them newer, more expensive plans which do meet Obamacare requirements.

Think of it like this: even if you think Obama is a Kenyan-born Marxist plant devoted to destroying this great Nation ... there's still no reason to think an insurance company won't try to fark you right in the ass - and probably try to blame it on someone else.


So, the GOP is arguing for the government to force insurance companies to not change peoples' grandfathered-in plans?
 
2013-11-13 09:17:04 AM

Il Douchey: Those 'shiatty" plans were mutually agreed upon and voluntarily entered into by both parties.


The buyer had input on this?
//you do know in most markets individual buyers often had virtually no choices? It was here is "the policy" take it or leave it (includes life-time caps and pre-ex language and is completely weighted towards the insurance company)
 
2013-11-13 09:17:09 AM

OlderGuy: pull your head out of Obama,s rectum for a minute and look around, you might learn something.... but I doubt it......


Mr. Grumpy not had his thorazine  today?
 
2013-11-13 09:17:39 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Peter von Nostrand: So Fark, which greens multiple articles every day on this manufactured scandal, is now lamenting the fact that this scandal is manufactured. Did the admins just divided by zero?

I was also told the other night that these plans never existed

Manufactured?  Tell that to 1 million people in Calif alone that have had their policies cancelled.  Manufactured, by Obama and his clown circus.


So Republicans think their own policies are clown circus. Sounds right to me. Guess opposition to single payer wasn't so smart. Also refusing to take part in putting together the law. But it's all Obama's fault
 
2013-11-13 09:19:19 AM
Republicans: "This will cause millions to be kicked off their health care plans"

Obama: "If you like your heath care plan you will be able to keep it."

Millions get kicked off their health care plans.

Liberals: "It's because those plans were no good according to the wise and might Obama, who clearly did not lie. You don't know what's best for you. Shut up and accept that we know better than you."

Anything but admit that conservatives were, once again, correct about ObamaCare, right?
 
2013-11-13 09:19:23 AM

Dinki: TFerWannaBe: HHS has tightened that policy so that if the plan is changed in minor ways it must be made compatible.

Um, no. The requirements have been out since 2010, and have not changed.

http://banyan-llc.com/bc/bc.nsf/hcr/Health-Care-Reform-Bulletin-Gran df ather-Clause

http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/insurance/grandfather/


Nor does it support his argument even if it was true. Big or small changes - that stuck out to me as a weird non-sequetor.
 
2013-11-13 09:19:34 AM

somedude210: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Tell that to 1 million people in Calif alone that have had their policies cancelled. Manufactured, by Obama and his clown circus.

so 1 million Californians never realized they were being hosed by their insurers and are not upset by the fact that Obama is calling them out on not being all too bright?



Way to lord over the proletariat there comrade,
Individual choice is so overrated. Why wouldn't a healty 28 year old male not want a policy that includes gynocological visits and catastrophic coverage at a higher rate than previously purchaced for ... never.
 Don't they know it's for their own good!
 
2013-11-13 09:19:59 AM
What we have here is an example of a politician over-promising, then actually trying to keep the promise.  The chaos is what you get when bureaucrats with little experience in, well, anything, think they can centrally plan a major segment of the economy.

These "shiatty" plans were generally purchased by people who really didn't think they'd need all that much from the plan.  They bought what they thought they'd need.  That's not a "shiatty" plan, that's a smart consumer buying what they thought they'd need, and a company meeting a market demand.

However, cancelling these "shiatty" plans was absolutely necessary to the success of Obamacare.  Obamacare seeks to extend health care to an expensive segment of the population, and the cost of that care, by design, was not going to be borne by that segment.  The money has to come from somewhere.  The plan is to force people to buy plans that offer many benefits they will never need at a much higher rate, and use that additional money to pay for the health care of the newly covered.

You should know that all these bills floating around Congress that purport to let people actually keep their plan are nothing but window dressing.  Can't happen.  Too late in the process, and economically it would crush the exchanges.

This is nothing, folks.  The pain and angst you're hearing right now is a tiny portent of what's coming next year, when the same thing is going to happen to the 75% or so of the insured that are covered by large plans through their work.
 
2013-11-13 09:20:06 AM

Il Douchey: Those 'shiatty" plans were mutually agreed upon and voluntarily entered into by both parties.  The individuals who chose them felt they understood their own personal needs better than the collective bureaucracy in DC.  Those plans were only cancelled because gov't deemed them unacceptable and forced customers buy a gov't approved plan.  Obama explicitly and repeatedly assured America that the plans they chose were safe from his tampering.  Gov't overreach, lies and stunning, naked incompetence have secured the Obama legacy.


Here's an example of one of those "plans":

A woman paid $54/month and received;

$50 towards a doctor's visit. NOT a $50 copay, they covered the first $50 of the visit.
$15 towards a prescription. NOT a $15 prescription, just the first $15 of it.
$50 towards a hospital visit IF it is from "complications resulting from prgenancy". NO other reason, and ONLY $50, just like the doctor.
A few covered services, such as mammograms.

That's it. There is no actual insurance here at all, she isn't getting insured against anything. Her coverage amount is equal to her principal, and she is on the hook for hundreds, if not thousands more after the $50 has been paid. Every time. No catastrophic insurance or anything. And as far as her "knowing" about the plan, she had no idea that she didn't have actual insurance until CBS dug her up and then Fox News fact checked her story.

These are exactly the kind of bullshiat plans that are being cancelled. Ones where you lose money if you use the insurance and you lose money if you don't.
 
2013-11-13 09:21:24 AM

kyrg: Why wouldn't a healty 28 year old male not want a policy that includes gynocological visits


he came from a vagina, so he can pay for one.
 
2013-11-13 09:21:25 AM

Il Douchey: Those 'shiatty" plans were mutually agreed upon and voluntarily entered into by both parties.  The individuals who chose them felt they understood their own personal needs better than the collective bureaucracy in DC.  Those plans were only cancelled because gov't deemed them unacceptable and forced customers buy a gov't approved plan.  Obama explicitly and repeatedly assured America that the plans they chose were safe from his tampering.  Gov't overreach, lies and stunning, naked incompetence have secured the Obama legacy.


No.

Those plans were deemed unacceptable because they don't provide proper coverage. You'd have a point if the free loading farks who bought them would have the decency to die in the farking street like they should. Instead they will show up sick, take the treatment anyway, go bankrupt and then MY medical costs will go up.

Typical right wing thieves.
 
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