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(Politico)   NYT suffers a Tuesday Night Massacre   (politico.com) divider line 34
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2013-11-13 09:17:40 AM
I've literally only heard of one of those people, and he left NYT months ago
 
2013-11-13 09:21:59 AM
And here I was hoping MoDo had gone hysteric and skinned Douthat and Cohen alive before being tranked and led away in a straight jacket.
 
2013-11-13 09:33:46 AM
This just in: when you commoditize your employees and show them zero loyalty, they have no incentive to stay with you if a better offer comes around.

The problem with treating people as cogs is that the shiniest ones - the ones you want to *keep* - are the ones most likely to bail.

You reaps what you sow

/not specific to the NYT, but I believe Silver implied he left due to 'culture clash', among other things
 
2013-11-13 09:40:02 AM
Losing talent, especially "home grown" talent to a competitor with large pockets has to hurt. I don't think it is the sign of their demise. There is other talent out there, just think of all the media markets and journalism graduates out there. Kind of like when a baseball team loses a star player to another team via free agency, they either sign another equivalent free agent or they call a player with talent & potential up from the minors.
 
2013-11-13 09:45:19 AM
In the past nine months, at least a dozen top reporters and editors have made for the exits. Among them are such well-known and respected journalists as Nate Silver, who sprinted to ESPN; David Pogue, who decamped to Yahoo News; Jeff Zeleny, who left for ABC News; and Rick Berke, who is en route to POLITICO.

Let me guess who concocted the narrative and is now attempting to continue it.

Questions worth asking are what is normal turnover during that time, and how many hires have happened to replace them. All of which this hard-hitting and fact-based report in Politico somehow managed to avoid asking.

Instead just 2 pages of blither about how some reporters think they are 'brands' and have 'followings.'

Right.
 
2013-11-13 10:05:20 AM

Generation_D: In the past nine months, at least a dozen top reporters and editors have made for the exits. Among them are such well-known and respected journalists as Nate Silver, who sprinted to ESPN; David Pogue, who decamped to Yahoo News; Jeff Zeleny, who left for ABC News; and Rick Berke, who is en route to POLITICO.

Let me guess who concocted the narrative and is now attempting to continue it.


media.salon.com
 
2013-11-13 10:17:43 AM

Wendy's Chili: Generation_D: In the past nine months, at least a dozen top reporters and editors have made for the exits. Among them are such well-known and respected journalists as Nate Silver, who sprinted to ESPN; David Pogue, who decamped to Yahoo News; Jeff Zeleny, who left for ABC News; and Rick Berke, who is en route to POLITICO.

Let me guess who concocted the narrative and is now attempting to continue it.

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Says an organization(Politico) that specializes in poaching "commodified" journalists. Those two guy(Allen and VandeHei) along with John Harris have come off over the years since starting Politico as being  "Available to the highest bidder", in their case, an old Reaganista, <a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" fred_ryan"="" target="_blank">Frederick J. Ryan Jr
 
2013-11-13 10:21:50 AM
Pride: A helluva drug.

Perhaps NYT should consider an online presence.
 
2013-11-13 10:33:34 AM
Silver seemingly has been replaced with Sam Wang, who's statistics I found to be more sound, elegant and just as accurate as Silver's.  Wang just was more obscure because he wrote a little blog on the side of his main job in scientific research, where Silver had the gigantic platform of the NYT and previously had a devoted cult following for his work in "Sabermetrics"
 
2013-11-13 10:34:53 AM

heavymetal: Losing talent, especially "home grown" talent to a competitor with large pockets has to hurt. I don't think it is the sign of their demise. There is other talent out there, just think of all the media markets and journalism graduates out there. Kind of like when a baseball team loses a star player to another team via free agency, they either sign another equivalent free agent or they call a player with talent & potential up from the minors.


Continuing the baseball thing, this should really be a sign to people to follow the individual more than the organization. You like a journalist, follow them around.
 
2013-11-13 11:21:11 AM

s2s2s2: Pride: A helluva drug.

Perhaps NYT should consider an online presence.


I came in to ask if the NYT even has much of a web presence? If someone's offering you more money AND a chance to reach lots more readers, that's a no-brainer, right?
 
2013-11-13 11:21:27 AM

s2s2s2: Pride: A helluva drug.

Perhaps NYT should consider an online presence.


They actually have a pretty nice website...
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Please pay us to read the rest of this article.
 
2013-11-13 11:30:26 AM
[sadtrombone]
 
2013-11-13 11:31:14 AM
But NYT has a paywall which should have solved all of their problems.
 
2013-11-13 12:14:54 PM
Who wants to work for newspaper dickheads anymore?
 
2013-11-13 12:25:17 PM

heavymetal: Losing talent, especially "home grown" talent to a competitor with large pockets has to hurt. I don't think it is the sign of their demise. There is other talent out there, just think of all the media markets and journalism graduates out there. Kind of like when a baseball team loses a star player to another team via free agency, they either sign another equivalent free agent or they call a player with talent & potential up from the minors.


...or they're the Mets.

http://www.instantrimshot.com
 
2013-11-13 12:54:44 PM
And not a thing of value was lost.  The NYT has less credibility than the Examiner anymore. If these people are the reason for that, then good riddance.
 
2013-11-13 01:16:10 PM
That's rich, coming from Politico.
 
2013-11-13 01:25:37 PM
This is Jayson Blair's fault.
 
2013-11-13 01:33:00 PM
and meanwhile Alexis Delchiaro left KUSI in San Diego and nary a peep was heard
 
2013-11-13 02:06:32 PM
""The Times used to be able to bank on the fact that it was The New York Times: Like, 'Sure, Yahoo or CNN might pay you more, but do you really want to write for Yahoo or CNN?' Increasingly, the answer is: 'Yes'"

That "yes" comes with a big disclaimer.  Of course they'd rather work at the NYT, but since the NYT keeps cutting staff and departments and has shown no ability to transition to internet news successfully, the people who have their own reputations already are willing to take the bigger paycheck because it's there, and the NYT cannot guarantee that they'd be there in another 5-10 years anyway.
 
2013-11-13 02:16:44 PM

johnny_vegas: and meanwhile Alexis Delchiaro left KUSI in San Diego and nary a peep was heard


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"Oh no, not Delchiaro!"

 
2013-11-13 02:59:56 PM
The NY Times is where leftists go to be told what they want to hear.
 
2013-11-13 03:20:40 PM
Huh, the NYT is still a thing? I thought they shut down years ago.
 
2013-11-13 03:24:37 PM
But they still have the guy who invented Coffeescript on payroll, right?
 
2013-11-13 04:24:26 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Who wants to work for newspaper dickheads anymore?


They'd rather work for the dick heads over at CNN, apparently.
 
2013-11-13 05:08:51 PM

HipsterTrash: The NY Times is where leftists go to be told what they want to hear.


Thank you for your irrelevant "insight." You are truly a man of letters.
 
2013-11-13 06:07:03 PM
Good, makes room for new talent, new points of view, a good rotation is nessesary, the speed of the rotation is indicative of the times we live in.
When Frank Rich moved on, I figured it was all over, then I started reading the new ones, Ross Douthat, Joe Nocera, Frank Bruni, Charles Blow and found them very interesting and a welcome change.

I think what's changed is that I don't want to necessarily hear from the same people all the time, as much as I like them, a change is good.
 
2013-11-13 06:07:06 PM
Good, makes room for new talent, new points of view, a good rotation is necessary, the speed of the rotation is indicative of the times we live in.
When Frank Rich moved on, I figured it was all over, then I started reading the new ones, Ross Douthat, Joe Nocera, Frank Bruni, Charles Blow and found them very interesting and a welcome change.

I think what's changed is that I don't want to necessarily hear from the same people all the time, as much as I like them, a change is good.
 
2013-11-13 07:02:38 PM

johnny_vegas: and meanwhile Alexis Delchiaro left KUSI in San Diego and nary a peep was heard


It's KUSI, who cares?
 
2013-11-13 07:43:16 PM
Good, makes room for new talent, new points of view, a good rotation is necessary, the speed of the rotation is indicative of the times we live in.
When Frank Rich moved on, I figured it was all over, then I started reading the new ones, Ross Douthat, Joe Nocera, Frank Bruni, Charles Blow and found them very interesting and a welcome change.
I think what's changed is that I don't want to necessarily hear from the same people all the time, as much as I like them, a change is good.
 
2013-11-13 08:14:57 PM
At least they still have Obama to shill for
 
2013-11-13 08:43:00 PM

RottNDude: johnny_vegas: and meanwhile Alexis Delchiaro left KUSI in San Diego and nary a peep was heard

It's KUSI, who cares?


Because Leslie Lopez
 
2013-11-13 11:05:49 PM
Twentieth-century journalists who made their name with the New York Times before moving on to greener pastures include Howard K. Smith, Gay Talese, David Halberstam, Neil Sheehan, Stanley Kaufmann, Seymour Hersch, Anna Quindlen, John Leonard, Ada Louise Huxtable, Bernard Kalb, and many others. Somehow, the Times managed to survive.

There are many reasons why a journalist may decide that a daily newspaper is not the best environment for his talent:  magazines offer less pressing deadlines, more stylistic freedom, and the opportunity to write longer articles; television offers a chance to connect with a wider audience; some cable networks and websites allow the writer to be more open about his political beliefs (often to the detriment of the quality of his journalism).

It would be more of a cause for concern if journalists were not leaving the Times for more money and different opportunities elsewhere, for that would mean that the Times was no longer attracting young, ambitious talent in the first place.
 
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