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(International Energy Agency)   United States has energy price advantage over Europe and Japan. Thanks Obama   (iea.org) divider line 19
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2013-11-13 09:06:13 AM
0 comment green light? Which modmin's site is this?

/DNRTFA
 
2013-11-13 09:08:03 AM

LucklessWonder: 0 comment green light? Which modmin's site is this?

/DNRTFA


All of them?
 
2013-11-13 09:14:17 AM
Is this news from the 1950's?
 
2013-11-13 09:19:42 AM
Don't worry, the Republicans will make sure that is fixed as soon as possible
 
2013-11-13 09:42:58 AM

Lost Thought 00: Don't worry, the Republicans will make sure that is fixed as soon as possible


Really the GOP owns a lot more credit for lower energy prices than Obama does. They spearheaded the expansion of fracking and many of the pipeline and refinery projects that have dramatically increased our domestic production but I do agree with you they are now seeking to roll that back by easing the export restrictions so domestic prices will go up but so will oil and gas company profits.
 
2013-11-13 09:46:50 AM

monoski: Really the GOP owns a lot more credit for lower energy prices than Obama does.


I would give credit to Rep. Joe Barton for putting all that gas and oil under American soil.
 
2013-11-13 09:53:00 AM
Spontaneously burning tap water is a small price to pay.

USA back to top world oil producer, legal weed coming .. these are truly wonderous times. Spark up a bowl and lets drive around all day!
 
2013-11-13 10:22:52 AM

Arkanaut: monoski: Really the GOP owns a lot more credit for lower energy prices than Obama does.

I would give credit to Rep. Joe Barton for putting all that gas and oil under American soil.


Joe and Jesus, the next GOP ticket?
 
2013-11-13 10:29:22 AM
United States has energy price advantage over Europe and Japan. Thanks despite Obama

FTFY
 
2013-11-13 11:15:18 AM
Obama didn't do anything. He doesn't even know about it. Nobody told him.
 
2013-11-13 11:55:44 AM

monoski: Lost Thought 00: Don't worry, the Republicans will make sure that is fixed as soon as possible

Really the GOP owns a lot more credit for lower energy prices than Obama does. They spearheaded the expansion of fracking and many of the pipeline and refinery projects that have dramatically increased our domestic production but I do agree with you they are now seeking to roll that back by easing the export restrictions so domestic prices will go up but so will oil and gas company profits.


Yep, don't worry. The major push these days is to export our cheap energy resources to the rest of the world: coal terminals in the Pacific NW, Keystone XL to the south, and Nat Gas terminals to the east coast. We'll soon be exporting our energy assets to the rest of the world, which will push the multi-national petro/gas corporations massive profits to all new heights, while simultaneously increasing domestic energy prices to match that of the larger world market.

Unless you're investing in the energy corporations or energy futures, prepare to get farked once the energy export terminals get up to speed.
 
2013-11-13 12:44:24 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: United States has energy price advantage over Europe and Japan. Thanks despite Obama

FTFY


What, specifically, has Obama done to damage our energy price advantage?
 
2013-11-13 01:37:51 PM
So as I've heard it:

With the exception of hydro (And we're more or less hydroed out because there's only so many places where you can get a nice big drop on a sufficiently large river), non-subsidized "dirty" energy (and we do subsidize them in ways like "Farmers don't pay gas tax because they don't drive on the roads") is going to be significantly less than non-subsidized clean energy.

Germany in particular then decided to double down on clean energy and do it in the stupidest farking way possible (so they didn't just build wind, they built really expensive wind out on the ocean really far away from population centers (aka: The California plan)).

So the US of A doubled down on fracking in a completely market-based way, which led to fewer emissions because gas is better than coal, and Germany doubled down on renewable energy (and coal)

So Germany has higher electricity prices, AND uses more coal, while the USA has at least somewhat shifted to clean(er) gas.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of -g erman-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html
 
2013-11-13 01:45:33 PM

mediablitz: What, specifically, has Obama done to damage our energy price advantage?


You mean besides trying to ruin the coal industry, rejecting the Keystone pipeline, trying to stifle fracking, and wasting billions on payoffs to the green companies that got him elected in 2008?
 
2013-11-13 02:11:09 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: mediablitz: What, specifically, has Obama done to damage our energy price advantage?

You mean besides trying to ruin the coal industry, rejecting the Keystone pipeline, trying to stifle fracking, and wasting billions on payoffs to the green companies that got him elected in 2008?


Stifle fracking? How? Because last I checked, the industry still completely exempt from the Congressional Clean Water Act and Clean Air Act, and no regulations have been passed to stifle anything.

Don't forget about Obama opening up historical amounts of national lands, huge areas of offshore and even the National Parks to fossil fuel exploration and extraction, as part of his "All the Above" energy campaign.

We're now one of the top producers of natural gas, and the largest producer of petroleum on the planet. Yet gasoline prices are still hovering near $3 a gallon, NG prices are on the rise and the drumbeat for "Drill Baby, Drill" is still ever increasing in volume.
 
2013-11-13 03:30:56 PM

meyerkev: So Germany has higher electricity prices, AND uses more coal, while the USA has at least somewhat shifted to clean(er) gas.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/high-costs-and-errors-of -g erman-transition-to-renewable-energy-a-920288.html


There are a lot of interesting facts, but some very misleading conclusions in that article. Most glaring, they attempt to link the expansion of renewable power to that of coal plants being fired up - but make no mention of the country's simultaneous effort to eliminate nuclear power.

They also do an excellent job attempting to claim that renewable power is making people poor. Sure, green surcharges are *Going up 20%!!!* from $0.045 a kWh to $0.055 a kWh. But when you look at the overall picture of ~$0.33 kWh energy rates, the bump in green power is only raising current rates by a much more benign 3%. Heck, even when you look at their overall energy cost - the army of solar, offshore, transmission and onshore wind is bumping up total electrical rates by about 19%. ($0.05 a kwh, out of $0.33 a kWh rate)

There's no mention of how paying for renewables, with their high up-front costs, will reap long term rewards of cheap energy and a robust, modern transmission system for decades to come. Funny that . . .
 
2013-11-13 03:35:02 PM
This will all be moot when fracking awakens the Great Old One. See millions of years ago when the Great Old Old One went to sleep where he lay down was ocean. Everyone knows what was once ocean is now land, the Great Old one is buried under the earth, not in the ocean and oil is just his incontinence as he sleeps.

Using fracking to get that oil out of the ground is irritating the Great Old Ones bowels and when he awakes he will piss all over everything. A fiery biss that will burn the heretic and believe alike.
 
2013-11-13 03:42:12 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: mediablitz: What, specifically, has Obama done to damage our energy price advantage?

You mean besides trying to ruin the coal industry, rejecting the Keystone pipeline, trying to stifle fracking, and wasting billions on payoffs to the green companies that got him elected in 2008?


citation?

As for the Keystone pipeline, how does oil piped from Canada to the gulf to be sent to other countries benefit prices in America?

Like I said; be specific.

BILLIONS of payoffs that what, did nothing? Is that your premise?

Ask for facts, get bullshiat. What a shocker...
 
2013-11-13 03:44:17 PM
That was a cute "I hate Obama, so I'll talk about a bunch of shiat that has NOTHING to do with the question!!!" rant.

The deranged are always good for a laugh

/until they snap from the pressure
 
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