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(NFL)   The Jags are spending $63M on the world's largest scoreboards. Pick your fav punchline: a) If you build it, scores will come b) anticipated moderate use means the signs will last forever c) Engineers worried about "0" LED burn-in under "home" column   (nfl.com ) divider line
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2013-11-13 08:44:33 AM  
This reeks of a desperation ploy to keep them in town.

The city will pay $43 million, with much of it coming from a 2 percent charge on area hotel guests

The public gets hoodwinked again.

Shad Khan has committed to pay the remaining $20 million, bringing his investment since buying the team in November 2011 to $31 million

WOW, how noble of him! NFL revenue sharing nets him a minimum of $17.5 million/year, so he's already made more than that off of the team. God forbid an owner actually pay for things himself.
 
2013-11-13 08:47:49 AM  
The city isn't paying that money just for the Jaguars.  That stadium was built for two college football games, and the Jags are a happy bonus.
 
2013-11-13 08:49:31 AM  

grinding_journalist: This reeks of a desperation ploy to keep them in town.

The city will pay $43 million, with much of it coming from a 2 percent charge on area hotel guests

The public gets hoodwinked again.


Hotel guests are generally not the "local" public.  At least people from other cities will be helping to foot the bill.  It's certainly a better option than a direct tax on city residents.
 
2013-11-13 08:53:10 AM  

UNC_Samurai: The city isn't paying that money just for the Jaguars.  That stadium was built for two college football games, and the Jags are a happy bonus.


Happy?
 
2013-11-13 08:56:23 AM  
Ah yes, Jacksonville. Where we can afford 40 million for a scoreboard and 400 million for a courthouse but funding libraries and school electives is a waste of money.
 
2013-11-13 09:03:20 AM  
Why would they spend $40 million on a team that's moving to London in 5 years?
 
2013-11-13 09:03:24 AM  

degenerate-afro: Hotel guests are generally not the "local" public. At least people from other cities will be helping to foot the bill. It's certainly a better option than a direct tax on city residents.


Any time the public of any stripe helps fund sports teams, this is what I think:

omnimancer28: Ah yes, Jacksonville. Where we can afford 40 million for a scoreboard and 400 million for a courthouse but funding libraries and school electives is a waste of money.


The same tax could have been levied and applied to something useful.
 
2013-11-13 09:05:15 AM  

pregerstheHobo: UNC_Samurai: The city isn't paying that money just for the Jaguars.  That stadium was built for two college football games, and the Jags are a happy bonus.

Happy?


bunny is happy, happy as Denmark peeps
.
 
2013-11-13 09:11:35 AM  
The only good thing about living under the boot of teabaggers is the State of NC told the Panthers no for stadium renovations.
 
2013-11-13 09:12:28 AM  
one of the last things Bud Adams did was update the scoreboards with these behemoth screens that could show red zone stuff

the only problem is it makes people envious of other games when they show great highlights that would never happen in the game they're watching
 
2013-11-13 09:16:05 AM  
d) 2016: Los Angeles gets large scoreboard for Jaguars games at a bargain.
 
2013-11-13 09:24:49 AM  
Nicely played, <b>subby</b>.

/Those poor, God-awful Jaguars
 
2013-11-13 09:27:31 AM  

grinding_journalist: degenerate-afro: Hotel guests are generally not the "local" public. At least people from other cities will be helping to foot the bill. It's certainly a better option than a direct tax on city residents.

Any time the public of any stripe helps fund sports teams, this is what I think:

omnimancer28: Ah yes, Jacksonville. Where we can afford 40 million for a scoreboard and 400 million for a courthouse but funding libraries and school electives is a waste of money.

The same tax could have been levied and applied to something useful.


It's the south.  A place where football is more sacrosanct than Education.  The Jaguars just have the misfortune of having to compete with another professional football league in the area.   Perhaps you've heard of it?  It's small football conference in that is generally abbreviated as the SEC.

Also everything about football is "publicly funded" in one way or another since people pay for the tickets, the sports packages, and the merchandise.  When you can get people who put the local library Easter Egg hunt on a Nationwide TV package, then they might get as much mandated funding as a big TV in a football stadium.  Until such a thing occurs, not directly taxing locals is about the best you can hope for.
 
2013-11-13 09:36:04 AM  

degenerate-afro: grinding_journalist: This reeks of a desperation ploy to keep them in town.

The city will pay $43 million, with much of it coming from a 2 percent charge on area hotel guests

The public gets hoodwinked again.

Hotel guests are generally not the "local" public.  At least people from other cities will be helping to foot the bill.  It's certainly a better option than a direct tax on city residents.



Doesn't matter where the money comes from, it's still money that could have gone to a better use than scoreboards for a multi-billionaire.  Especially when they are cutting funding for schools, and closing down some good schools.

And are more people going to start going to Jaguars games because of a fancy video screen?
 
2013-11-13 09:45:50 AM  

CipollinaFan: Why would they spend $40 million on a team that's moving to London in 5 years?


Its for Florida vs UGA so they don't threaten to move to home & home instead of a neutral site
 
2013-11-13 09:49:37 AM  
Well, now at least the folks at the International Space Station can enjoy the Jaguar ass-beatings in zero gravity.
 
2013-11-13 10:01:38 AM  

degenerate-afro: grinding_journalist: degenerate-afro: Hotel guests are generally not the "local" public. At least people from other cities will be helping to foot the bill. It's certainly a better option than a direct tax on city residents.

Any time the public of any stripe helps fund sports teams, this is what I think:

omnimancer28: Ah yes, Jacksonville. Where we can afford 40 million for a scoreboard and 400 million for a courthouse but funding libraries and school electives is a waste of money.

The same tax could have been levied and applied to something useful.

It's the south.  A place where football is more sacrosanct than Education.  The Jaguars just have the misfortune of having to compete with another professional football league in the area.   Perhaps you've heard of it?  It's small football conference in that is generally abbreviated as the SEC.

Also everything about football is "publicly funded" in one way or another since people pay for the tickets, the sports packages, and the merchandise.  When you can get people who put the local library Easter Egg hunt on a Nationwide TV package, then they might get as much mandated funding as a big TV in a football stadium.  Until such a thing occurs, not directly taxing locals is about the best you can hope for.


The local college won the 2007 Division II National Basketball Championship off a last-second steal.  The media recognition that came from that championship, according to folks I know in their administrative office, has roughly translated to an 8% increase in enrollment (above their normal rate of growth).  It also helped them build a new dorm, buy several pieces of derelict property around the college (they're close to some run-down areas of town), upgrade the campus library, and make several other large renovations.  So yeah, success in sports does feed back into the university as a whole.
 
2013-11-13 10:03:41 AM  

EyeballKid: d) 2016: Los Angeles gets large scoreboard for Jaguars games at a bargain.

e) 2013: Jerry Jones calls emergency meeting with scoreboard manufacturer.

 
2013-11-13 10:16:56 AM  

CipollinaFan: Why would they spend $40 million on a team that's moving to London in 5 years?


Not going to happen, likely for ANY team.  The UK does not grant visas to convicted felons, meaning that a slew of NFL players could not play away games in London.  The UK labor laws make it difficult to employ players that are non-natives, or at least non-EU folks.  The tax situation in the UK, vs the US, would make it prohibitive for players who were part of the home team to participate, or want to play for the UK team, so the team would get the dregs of the league and be a perennial bottom-dweller...

I could go on, but you get the point.  A team in London is a logistical unlikelihood bordering on an impossibility.

/and just THINK of the issues the team has getting used to the QB getting sacked
//at least they'd likely have a decent brew for home games
///anyone for a competitive match of conkers?
 
2013-11-13 10:30:17 AM  
C
 
2013-11-13 11:01:14 AM  
So, the scoreboard is more expensive than the team payroll?
 
2013-11-13 11:12:00 AM  
TEBOW-TRON!
 
2013-11-13 11:22:31 AM  
cdn.glasgowrollerderby.com

Where are they getting 63 million dollars?
 
2013-11-13 11:29:19 AM  

Gordon Bennett: [cdn.glasgowrollerderby.com image 240x360]

Where are they getting 63 million dollars?


We're talking about the American football team in Jacksonville, Florida.  I can understand the mistake, though.  The Partick Thistle Jags would have more need of a new scoreboard since they put up more points.
 
2013-11-13 11:33:23 AM  
This will make the worlds largest outdoor cocktail party better.
 
2013-11-13 11:36:06 AM  

omnimancer28: Ah yes, Jacksonville. Where we can afford 40 million for a scoreboard and 400 million for a courthouse but funding libraries and school electives is a waste of money.


Welcome to America.
 
2013-11-13 11:49:29 AM  

CipollinaFan: Why would they spend $40 million on a team that's moving to London in 5 years?


They aren't, they're getting a 20mil discount on a new scoreboard for the Gator Bowl and the World's Largest Cocktail Party.
 
2013-11-13 11:50:24 AM  
I was gonna say they probably need to hire security to keep Jags fans from swan diving off of it.  Then I remembered there aren't any Jags fans.

Proceed.
 
2013-11-13 11:51:55 AM  
What's this?  A Jags thread? Let me be the one to add in the necessary:

i624.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-13 11:58:02 AM  

xaks: What's this?  A Jags thread? Let me be the one to add in the necessary:

[i624.photobucket.com image 570x960]


Your numbers do not support the narrative. Please take them to a place that likes numbers not stories
 
2013-11-13 12:10:32 PM  

xaks: What's this?  A Jags thread? Let me be the one to add in the necessary:

[i624.photobucket.com image 570x960]


Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that infographic proud that a city of 800k people (JAX) can ALMOST match the attendance of a city with 300k people (PIT) in a larger stadium?

Population Citation
 
2013-11-13 12:13:48 PM  
Broncos....smallest scoreboard....compensating, maybe? Just saying....
 
2013-11-13 12:24:49 PM  

degenerate-afro: xaks: What's this?  A Jags thread? Let me be the one to add in the necessary:

[i624.photobucket.com image 570x960]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that infographic proud that a city of 800k people (JAX) can ALMOST match the attendance of a city with 300k people (PIT) in a larger stadium?

Population Citation


It also doesn't consider that Steelers tickets currently cost about 4x as much.  Excluding fees, I could get a ticket for any @Jax game left this season for $10 or less on Stubhub.  I couldn't get one for an @Pit game for less than $38.  Excluding fees, I could literally go to all 4 of the remaining @Jax games for less than the cost of a single @Pit game.
 
2013-11-13 12:35:57 PM  
are those tickets sold or actual attendance? been to a few NFL games where the tickets were hard to come by but plenty of open seats anyways
 
2013-11-13 12:59:52 PM  

degenerate-afro: xaks: What's this?  A Jags thread? Let me be the one to add in the necessary:

[i624.photobucket.com image 570x960]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that infographic proud that a city of 800k people (JAX) can ALMOST match the attendance of a city with 300k people (PIT) in a larger stadium?

Population Citation


Pittsburgh metro area is 2,360,733

Jax metro area is  1,377,850


numbers and shiat
 
2013-11-13 01:10:23 PM  
Thank

xaks: What's this?  A Jags thread? Let me be the one to add in the necessary:

[i624.photobucket.com image 570x960]


So if Jacksonville is so hardcore, why the tarps? Are they afraid of having too many fans there? Yeah, that must be it. I think the owner doesn't want to make too much money. He surely has enough.

Also, whats the average cost of a ticket? I bet it's lower than other places. Remember, that's after you factor in suppressed supply because of the tarps.

If Pittsburgh had a bigger stadium, would they draw more fans than Jacksonville? You'd have to agree on that point. That's like saying that the UK basketball fans are worse than Jacksonville fans because not as many people show up to their games.

Why did Jacksonville decide to sign up to play so many games in London? Wouldn't that upset a hardcore fan base? Do you think the Packers or Pats would sign up for that?

But yeah, numbers that deliberately ignore context are fun!
 
2013-11-13 01:19:06 PM  

domdare: So if Jacksonville is so hardcore, why the tarps? Are they afraid of having too many fans there? Yeah, that must be it. I think the owner doesn't want to make too much money. He surely has enough.


The tarps were added to bring the seating capacity roughly in line with many/most other stadiums. Those are the numbers they use for the purposes of determining blackouts and such.


Look,, I'm not saying Jax is a mecca of football or anything. If y'all want to argue about it, that's fine, just use logic and reason. The graphic there was created to stamp out bullshiat arguments, and I present it only as such.
 
2013-11-13 01:27:10 PM  

xaks: domdare: So if Jacksonville is so hardcore, why the tarps? Are they afraid of having too many fans there? Yeah, that must be it. I think the owner doesn't want to make too much money. He surely has enough.

The tarps were added to bring the seating capacity roughly in line with many/most other stadiums. Those are the numbers they use for the purposes of determining blackouts and such.


Look,, I'm not saying Jax is a mecca of football or anything. If y'all want to argue about it, that's fine, just use logic and reason. The graphic there was created to stamp out bullshiat arguments, and I present it only as such.


You think this is bad? You should see the narrative tellers go wild whenever the notion of a Los Angeles team is brought up.
 
2013-11-13 01:29:50 PM  

mikaloyd: degenerate-afro: xaks: What's this?  A Jags thread? Let me be the one to add in the necessary:

[i624.photobucket.com image 570x960]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that infographic proud that a city of 800k people (JAX) can ALMOST match the attendance of a city with 300k people (PIT) in a larger stadium?

Population Citation

Pittsburgh metro area is 2,360,733

Jax metro area is  1,377,850


numbers and shiat


Pit metro area - 5,706 sq mi
Jax metro area - 3,698 sq. mi

The only reason why Jax doesn't have more people in their metro area is because their metropolitan area is smaller.  If you expanded it to 5000 sq mi, you would start encroaching on Gainsville and St. Augustine.
Meanwhile there is nothing around Pittsburgh.  You could extend the Pit metropolitan area and the only population you would pick up is a couple of racoons and a guy making moonshine up in the mountains.

In other words, if think everyone within 5,706 sq mi of Pittsburgh is driving to a Steelers game, you need to take into account everyone within 5,706 sq mi of Jacksonville.
 
2013-11-13 01:35:09 PM  

degenerate-afro: In other words, if think everyone within 5,706 sq mi of Pittsburgh is driving to a Steelers game, you need to take into account everyone within 5,706 sq mi of Jacksonville.


So your rules of determining metro areas are the real way to measure and everybody else is wrong.  OK then. You win with the degenerate-afro metric of population measurment. Nobody can argue that. In the d-a measuring system you are always right
 
2013-11-13 01:36:21 PM  

xaks: domdare: So if Jacksonville is so hardcore, why the tarps? Are they afraid of having too many fans there? Yeah, that must be it. I think the owner doesn't want to make too much money. He surely has enough.

The tarps were added to bring the seating capacity roughly in line with many/most other stadiums. Those are the numbers they use for the purposes of determining blackouts and such.


Look,, I'm not saying Jax is a mecca of football or anything. If y'all want to argue about it, that's fine, just use logic and reason. The graphic there was created to stamp out bullshiat arguments, and I present it only as such.


What questions in my previous post didn't use logic and reason? The tarps are there for two reasons. One - to prevent the price of tickets from going even lower. Two - it makes the stadium look less empty. Do you think Dallas will put tarps in their stadium to bring it line with many/most stadiums? What about the Redskins?  You posted something and I asked questions. That's perfectly reasonable. To give skewed stats which give a misleading view of things uses neither logic nor reason.
 
2013-11-13 01:37:30 PM  
According to ESPN,  This year Jacksonville is 29th in seating compacity %, they were 17th in 2012.  But these numbers are tickets sold, not turnstyle
 
2013-11-13 01:42:35 PM  

tennesseemike: According to ESPN,  This year Jacksonville is 29th in seating compacity %, they were 17th in 2012.  But these numbers are tickets sold, not turnstyle


How did Tampa (with a similar on field product) do?
 
2013-11-13 01:49:45 PM  

sammyk: The only good thing about living under the boot of teabaggers is the State of NC told the Panthers no for stadium renovations.


We said no to the Dolphins in South Florida. The stink of Loria and the Marlins deal isn't going to wash off anytime soon. I think the Rays are having the same problem although they need a new park if anybody does around here.
 
2013-11-13 01:51:37 PM  

mikaloyd: tennesseemike: According to ESPN,  This year Jacksonville is 29th in seating compacity %, they were 17th in 2012.  But these numbers are tickets sold, not turnstyle

How did Tampa (with a similar on field product) do?


30th and 31
http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2012
 
2013-11-13 01:52:12 PM  

omnimancer28: Ah yes, Jacksonville. Where we can afford 40 million for a scoreboard and 400 million for a courthouse but funding libraries and school electives is a waste of money.


You can't use a bed tax for libraries or schools. You can use it for things that supposedly encourage tourism like the arts or something, but who the fark wants to watch ballet?
 
2013-11-13 02:13:15 PM  

mikaloyd: xaks: What's this?  A Jags thread? Let me be the one to add in the necessary:

[i624.photobucket.com image 570x960]

Your numbers do not support the narrative. Please take them to a place that likes numbers not stories


You must always stay true to the narrative! Never adjust your worldview when presented with facts! If you shift your perspective, you're a traitor!

Wait....  this isn't poli.... which way? Down the hall? Got it. Sorry, guys.

/B
 
2013-11-13 02:46:08 PM  
mikaloyd:So your rules of determining metro areas are the real way to measure and everybody else is wrong.  OK then. You win with the degenerate-afro metric of population measurment. Nobody can argue that. In the d-a measuring system you are always right

I'm always right except when I'm not.
 
2013-11-13 03:02:05 PM  

mikaloyd: xaks: domdare: So if Jacksonville is so hardcore, why the tarps? Are they afraid of having too many fans there? Yeah, that must be it. I think the owner doesn't want to make too much money. He surely has enough.

The tarps were added to bring the seating capacity roughly in line with many/most other stadiums. Those are the numbers they use for the purposes of determining blackouts and such.


Look,, I'm not saying Jax is a mecca of football or anything. If y'all want to argue about it, that's fine, just use logic and reason. The graphic there was created to stamp out bullshiat arguments, and I present it only as such.

You think this is bad? You should see the narrative tellers go wild whenever the notion of a Los Angeles team is brought up.


Okay, so I'm "narrative teller" then. Would you like to answer my set of questions? Maybe show me where my logic and reason went astray?
 
2013-11-13 03:12:07 PM  

domdare: mikaloyd: xaks: domdare: So if Jacksonville is so hardcore, why the tarps? Are they afraid of having too many fans there? Yeah, that must be it. I think the owner doesn't want to make too much money. He surely has enough.

The tarps were added to bring the seating capacity roughly in line with many/most other stadiums. Those are the numbers they use for the purposes of determining blackouts and such.


Look,, I'm not saying Jax is a mecca of football or anything. If y'all want to argue about it, that's fine, just use logic and reason. The graphic there was created to stamp out bullshiat arguments, and I present it only as such.

You think this is bad? You should see the narrative tellers go wild whenever the notion of a Los Angeles team is brought up.

Okay, so I'm "narrative teller" then. Would you like to answer my set of questions? Maybe show me where my logic and reason went astray?


Which points would you like me to address? Or would you like me to provide a counter-narrative overarching the whole thing in a bedtime story style?
 
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