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2013-11-12 08:18:21 PM
I clicked expecting the usual hyperbolic outrage reserved for school district stories, but wow, if anything what happened is light years more stupid than what submitter stated in the headline.
 
2013-11-12 08:20:41 PM
Jones said the district's decision was based on its "crisis management plan," which she said is "based on a lot of research and expert opinion."

What really kills me is that idiots/experts and the people who decided to implement it probably all make 6 figures.
 
2013-11-12 09:24:54 PM
The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

How the fark are T-shirts considered a "permanent memorial"?!
 
2013-11-12 10:19:19 PM

Nickster79: Jones said the district's decision was based on its "crisis management plan," which she said is "based on a lot of research and expert opinion."

What really kills me is that idiots/experts and the people who decided to implement it probably all make 6 figures.


There are few things more worthless than a public school administrator.
 
2013-11-12 10:55:29 PM
The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

And we can't have that. Best to bury that shiat deep down inside and never face it or deal with it. Because doing that never leads to problems later.
 
2013-11-12 11:04:22 PM
Grieving is disruptive and in no way contributes to learning.
 
2013-11-13 12:10:25 AM

scottydoesntknow: The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

How the fark are T-shirts considered a "permanent memorial"?!


I still wear my T-shirt from Sting's 1986 Bring On The Night tour.
 
2013-11-13 12:10:51 AM
She's dead. So why would she care?
/Right Fark
 
2013-11-13 12:11:40 AM

Lsherm: There are few things more worthless than a public school administrator.


you're getting there.
 
2013-11-13 12:11:51 AM
I love how all these educated child psychologists are making well informed and insightful comments.
 
2013-11-13 12:14:09 AM

Lsherm: Nickster79: Jones said the district's decision was based on its "crisis management plan," which she said is "based on a lot of research and expert opinion."

What really kills me is that idiots/experts and the people who decided to implement it probably all make 6 figures.

There are few things more worthless than a public school administrator.


Well, the boss was out of toen, so she didn't want to miss her chance to show how decisive, on top of things, ahead of the curve, just-like-a-real-admin she could be. Except for that "tell everybody else" part.
 
2013-11-13 12:15:02 AM
Jones said the district's decision was based on its "crisis management plan," which she said is "based on a lot of research and expert opinion." The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

Someone's gonna roast in Hell for that. What's next farkwads, you gonna TP the Vietnam War Memorial?
 
2013-11-13 12:15:04 AM
This doesn't surprise me. One of the administrators at my high school tried to Baker Act one of my friends because he wore a shirt with a pentagram on it.
 
2013-11-13 12:18:01 AM

Enigmamf: I love how all these educated child psychologists are making well informed and insightful comments.


I pretty sure any damage done by being "reminded of their grief" is trumped by 2 tons of "Holy shiat, the world is run by clueless fark ups."
 
2013-11-13 12:19:36 AM

Lsherm: Nickster79: Jones said the district's decision was based on its "crisis management plan," which she said is "based on a lot of research and expert opinion."

What really kills me is that idiots/experts and the people who decided to implement it probably all make 6 figures.

There are few things more worthless than a public school administrator.


Child psychologists are the only thing I can think of that beats out public school administrators.
 
2013-11-13 12:19:56 AM
"Certainly the intent of our decision was good," Jones said. "Probably the ramifications of our decision caused more disruption than if we had let kids wear the shirts in the first place."

"Yeah, I was sitting here, eating my muffin and drinking my coffee and replaying the incident of banning the shirts in my head, when I had what alcoholics refer to as a moment of clarity"
 
2013-11-13 12:20:23 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: This doesn't surprise me. One of the administrators at my high school tried to Baker Act one of my friends because he wore a shirt with a pentagram on it.


Probably wasn't even inverted.

/symbology. how does it work?
 
2013-11-13 12:20:25 AM
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2013-11-13 12:23:35 AM

browntimmy: Enigmamf: I love how all these educated child psychologists are making well informed and insightful comments.

I pretty sure any damage done by being "reminded of their grief" is trumped by 2 tons of "Holy shiat, the world is run by clueless fark ups."


But hey, they arn't thinking about their grief!
 
2013-11-13 12:23:38 AM

mamoru: The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

And we can't have that. Best to bury that shiat deep down inside and never face it or deal with it. Because doing that never leads to problems later.


Even if we were going with that rationalization, T-SHIRTS ARE NOT PERMANENT MEMORIALS!

I was going to seriously doubt anyone actually read that plan - but then I realized that if a group of adults were so stupid that they asked grieving students on a Monday to turn their t-shirts honoring their dead classmate inside out - they probably did.

I spent 12 years in Catholic schools, and when we lost a classmate in 2nd grade to leukemia (when most of us barely had a concept of death) we still had to wear our uniforms the next day, but the principal gathered the entire school together and gave us all buttons (this was the 70's, and we were poor Catholics.  Buttons were an inspired item at the time).  She told us we should carry a button for Teresa, and we could do whatever we wanted with them.  At the end of the school year she would collect them for her parents.  Some kids lost them but some sewed them onto backpacks or shoes or shirts or binders, and at the end of the year a dead 7 year old girl was represented in a pile of buttons.  Most included cutouts of fabric, shoes, backpacks, nylon or anything else they had been attached to by her classmates.  All of that was given to the parents.  Yes, it sounds like hippie bullshiat, but we had a ceremony and a mass and since that family still lives near my parents, I know they keep that pile as a permanent memorial, and it didn't hurt anyone.  It probably helped and still helps.

Kids aren't damaged by grieving.  They are damaged by adults sending them asinine signals about it.  It's OK to be sad, you should talk about it, and you should work out your grief.  Pretending it isn't there just farks them up later.  It's better to teach children about death early so they don't turn into basket cases as adults when people die.
 
2013-11-13 12:23:40 AM
I can't believe the depth of stupidity demonstrated by these so called professionals.  They should all be fired, and the kids in the shirts should deliver the pink slips with a giant "Fark you, morans".
 
2013-11-13 12:24:53 AM

OgreMagi: Lsherm: Nickster79: Jones said the district's decision was based on its "crisis management plan," which she said is "based on a lot of research and expert opinion."

What really kills me is that idiots/experts and the people who decided to implement it probably all make 6 figures.

There are few things more worthless than a public school administrator.

Child psychologists are the only thing I can think of that beats out public school administrators.


Normally I wouldn't think so, but if their professional recommendation is for students to ignore the death of one of their classmates, I'd tend to agree.  Who comes up with this shiat?
 
2013-11-13 12:25:12 AM

HotWingAgenda: Someone's gonna roast in Hell for that. What's next farkwads, you gonna TP the Vietnam War Memorial?


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2013-11-13 12:26:44 AM

Loucifer: scottydoesntknow: The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

How the fark are T-shirts considered a "permanent memorial"?!

I still wear my T-shirt from Sting's 1986 Bring On The Night tour.


The oldest t-shirt I have is from the 1993 See the Light tour.

smallcircles.net

The only reason it hasn't fallen apart yet is because it doesn't quite fit anymore.
 
2013-11-13 12:30:34 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: This doesn't surprise me. One of the administrators at my high school tried to Baker Act one of my friends because he wore a shirt with a pentagram on it.

Probably wasn't even inverted.

/symbology. how does it work?


It wasn't!

Alright, here's the CSB:

Senior year (1999/2000) we get an English assignment to do a presentation on some John Updike story. My buddy Jim's presentation has a few visual aids, one of which is a plain white t-shirt. During the presentation he drew a pentagram on it in black marker (it made sense in the context of the presentation.)

About an hour later we all walk into the cafeteria for lunch, and a "school liasion official" said "Excuse me! Excuse me, come here please" to Jim, and she promptly escorted him to the office. We didn't see him for the rest of the day.

After school we met up with him, and he got suspended for 3 days, just because of the "inappropriate imagery" on his shirt. When he was being questioned in the office by the assistant principal they asked him if he was on drugs, and if he "had any body piercings." They made him open his mouth so they could check for a tongue piercing. One of the other officials asked about the requirements for Baker Acting a student.

And he wasn't a punk rocker or troublemaker, he was a straight laced kid, didn't drink or do drugs, he just drew a pentagram on his shirt as part of a project.

Looking back in it, it's the kind of thing that would be all over social media now, but he just enjoyed his 3 days off.
 
2013-11-13 12:32:38 AM
Apparently to be a school administrator you have to have your brains sucked out to earn your degree.
 
2013-11-13 12:36:04 AM
students wearing blue and orange shirts without Caitlyn's name on them were not asked to change them. Jones said those actions were allowed because students could participate "in private and by choice," while students couldn't help but see the writing on other shirts in class.

Ever wondered where some people derive their sense of entitlement, and the idea that people have the freedom to not be offended by anything? Here's where it all begins. Good job admins, you've taught the students a horrible lesson.

Then again, perhaps the outrage indicates they aren't as weak and thin-skinned as you want them to be.
 
2013-11-13 12:36:34 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: After school we met up with him, and he got suspended for 3 days, just because of the "inappropriate imagery" on his shirt. When he was being questioned in the office by the assistant principal they asked him if he was on drugs, and if he "had any body piercings." They made him open his mouth so they could check for a tongue piercing.


Surprised they didn't call for an exorcist.
 
2013-11-13 12:38:22 AM
The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

ARE YOU F*CKING INSANE?!??!?

THAT'S WHAT A MEMORIAL IS FOR!!!!
 
2013-11-13 12:40:06 AM

Gyrfalcon: The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

ARE YOU F*CKING INSANE?!??!?

THAT'S WHAT A MEMORIAL IS FOR!!!!


Just think, people are literally earning 6 figure incomes to come up with this shiat.
 
2013-11-13 12:42:53 AM

Delawheredad: Apparently to be a school administrator you have to have your brains sucked out to earn your degree.


One of the only jobs I know of that seems to have a maximum IQ requirement. And not a very high one at that. ;)
 
2013-11-13 12:43:27 AM

Lsherm: Kids aren't damaged by grieving.  They are damaged by adults sending them asinine signals about it.  It's OK to be sad, you should talk about it, and you should work out your grief.  Pretending it isn't there just farks them up later.  It's better to teach children about death early so they don't turn into basket cases as adults when people die.


Could not have said it better.

I also have severe misgivings about this "no permanent memorial" BS.  Had a plaque in the front of the school honoring all the students who had died in school history.  Didn't really give it much thought except as a way of remembering them.  It wasn't like there was a line of people standing there emoting and reliving their grief day after day.

When I was in law school in the mid 80's a local high school suffered what everyone was told was the "suicide" of one of the most popular kids in school.  They brought in the professional "grief counselors" and all to talk to the students.  In fact, they did all kinds of things to address the issue except the one thing the kids deserved:  Tell them the TRUTH.  The truth was that the kid didn't commit suicide, he blacked out during an episode of auto-erotic asphyxiation.   As a result, 3 other kids at the school committed suicide within 4 months.  All of them left letters saying basically that if "dead kid" who was so handsome, charming and popular thought that life wasn't worth living, then how would they fare?  So basically 3 kids ended up ending it all, on the mistaken belief and all because the "adults" were too afraid/ashamed about talking about the subject to actually tell them the truth about what happened.
 
2013-11-13 12:47:10 AM

Gyrfalcon: The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

ARE YOU F*CKING INSANE?!??!?

THAT'S WHAT A MEMORIAL IS FOR!!!!


The same experts would probably ban students from discussing their visit to the WW2 Memorial one day, on the grounds that it might make some students upset over the use of the atomic bomb etc.

It's best to just forget!  Bury your head in the sand!
 
2013-11-13 12:50:02 AM
Jones said the district's decision was based on its "crisis management plan," which she said is "based on a lot of research and expert opinion." The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

Bullshiat.  The decision was made to remind the students who is in charge, and to keep them under control.  What they're doing is no different than the way inmates are managed in a prison.
 
2013-11-13 12:52:31 AM

lawboy87: Lsherm: Kids aren't damaged by grieving.  They are damaged by adults sending them asinine signals about it.  It's OK to be sad, you should talk about it, and you should work out your grief.  Pretending it isn't there just farks them up later.  It's better to teach children about death early so they don't turn into basket cases as adults when people die.

Could not have said it better.

I also have severe misgivings about this "no permanent memorial" BS.  Had a plaque in the front of the school honoring all the students who had died in school history.  Didn't really give it much thought except as a way of remembering them.  It wasn't like there was a line of people standing there emoting and reliving their grief day after day.

When I was in law school in the mid 80's a local high school suffered what everyone was told was the "suicide" of one of the most popular kids in school.  They brought in the professional "grief counselors" and all to talk to the students.  In fact, they did all kinds of things to address the issue except the one thing the kids deserved:  Tell them the TRUTH.  The truth was that the kid didn't commit suicide, he blacked out during an episode of auto-erotic asphyxiation.   As a result, 3 other kids at the school committed suicide within 4 months.  All of them left letters saying basically that if "dead kid" who was so handsome, charming and popular thought that life wasn't worth living, then how would they fare?  So basically 3 kids ended up ending it all, on the mistaken belief and all because the "adults" were too afraid/ashamed about talking about the subject to actually tell them the truth about what happened.


Same thing happened with a friend of mine from the boyscouts.  His parents didn't want to tell people what really happened so another kid in our troop shot himself and in his letter mentioned Tim.  farking stupid farks.
 
2013-11-13 12:54:32 AM
The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

Really? That's very interesting. I don't suppose the school officials can give actual citations on that research, much less be familiar with any contradictory research and why they consider it less credible? (Hell, maybe they can, I dunno. The "journalist" sure couldn't.)

/those who can, do
//those who can't do, teach
///those who can't teach, write about it for the newspaper
 
2013-11-13 12:57:28 AM

lawboy87: The truth was that the kid didn't commit suicide, he blacked out during an episode of auto-erotic asphyxiation.


Kudos to that kid for being 30 years ahead of the curve.  What the hell kind of high school was he going to?  Cocaine was still a big deal in high schools in the 80's.

fark, in the midwest I thought inhalants were a big problem (they were in the late 80's).  But auto-erotic asphyxiation?  That's hard core.
 
2013-11-13 12:59:35 AM

OgreMagi: Lsherm: Nickster79: Jones said the district's decision was based on its "crisis management plan," which she said is "based on a lot of research and expert opinion."

What really kills me is that idiots/experts and the people who decided to implement it probably all make 6 figures.

There are few things more worthless than a public school administrator.

Child psychologists are the only thing I can think of that beats out public school administrators.


Cockroches

Human Resources Personnel

Congressman
 
2013-11-13 01:13:13 AM

Mithiwithi: //those who can't do, teach


Says someone who, I'm guessing, has apparently never tried to teach a rather complex subject or idea to people who don't have any prior understanding of it.

Yeah, I'm a teacher. And the next time you are doing something or someone is doing something for you, like, say fixing your body, or saving your sick kid from pain or death, or designing and building your house, or, you know, every single other job that requires any bit of education to do, you might want to consider that someone like me was necessary to show them how or put them on the path to learning how.

/yeah, it's a bit off-topic, but few things piss me off as much as the "those who can't do, teach" meme
//those who actually believe it can kindly go f*ck themselves, which at least is something they don't need a teacher to teach them how to do
 
2013-11-13 01:17:15 AM
Wow. Just... farking wow.
 
2013-11-13 01:20:44 AM
"Certainly the intent of our decision was good," Jones said. "Probably the ramifications of our decision caused more disruption than if we had let kids wear the shirts in the first place."

That person deserves a coontpunch.
 
2013-11-13 01:20:59 AM
Jones said the district's decision was based on its "crisis management plan," which she said is "based on a lot of research and expert opinion." The plan specifically bars "permanent memorials" on the research-backed belief that memorials can remind students of their grief and, for some, can make it worse.

So I guess these 'grief counselors' (which I think is one of the most bullshiat fields out there) consider tombstones to be a no no, as well as remembering someone? Don't think it'd be helping a terminally ill child to know that their friends are actually encouraged to forget about them when they die.
 
2013-11-13 01:21:46 AM

leohat: OgreMagi: Lsherm: Nickster79: Jones said the district's decision was based on its "crisis management plan," which she said is "based on a lot of research and expert opinion."

What really kills me is that idiots/experts and the people who decided to implement it probably all make 6 figures.

There are few things more worthless than a public school administrator.

Child psychologists are the only thing I can think of that beats out public school administrators.

Cockroches

Human Resources Personnel

Congressman


That's not very nice. Cockroaches play a very necessary role in our ecology. They are far from worthless, and you should apologize to the cockroaches for that remark.
 
2013-11-13 01:22:32 AM

mamoru: Mithiwithi: //those who can't do, teach

Says someone who, I'm guessing, has apparently never tried to teach a rather complex subject or idea to people who don't have any prior understanding of it.

Yeah, I'm a teacher. And the next time you are doing something or someone is doing something for you, like, say fixing your body, or saving your sick kid from pain or death, or designing and building your house, or, you know, every single other job that requires any bit of education to do, you might want to consider that someone like me was necessary to show them how or put them on the path to learning how.

/yeah, it's a bit off-topic, but few things piss me off as much as the "those who can't do, teach" meme
//those who actually believe it can kindly go f*ck themselves, which at least is something they don't need a teacher to teach them how to do


All someone has to do is repeat a cliche and you go apeshiat?
 
2013-11-13 01:27:46 AM

wallywam1: All someone has to do is repeat a cliche and you go apeshiat?


Well, a text post on Fark is a rather minimal definition of apeshiat, but if it fits, then, I guess so?

Isn't this what Fark is for? :p
 
2013-11-13 01:30:07 AM
Permanent memorials are banned, therefore you may never show any sign of grief, you may never remember your friends, even by a simple one day "Lets all wear a t-shirt with her name" thing.  Yeah, that makes sense.  These idiots are going to totally *freak* when they learn that most people who die have a funeral service.

Kids, wear the shirts, tell the principal to go fakr himself.  He isn't going to kick everyone out of school because then he wouldn't have a job.  Heck the best overall result would be for the asshole to get fired.

/Bonus points for egging his house and car on a daily basis.  He certainly deserves it.

FTFA : "They said that they really liked the shirts, but that it just triggered too much emotion for someone who was really close to her," said 13-year-old student Alyssa Jaynes.

If you can find me one person who was "really close to her" who is complaining that they are doing this, I'll reconsider.  But I know that's a farking lie.  You're just doing it because you want to be dicks and don't give a crap about the dead girl or her friends.  You're comparing a victim of cancer to a suicide just because you get off on being an asshole.  You're calling a day of wearing t-shirts to a "permanent memorial".  You are pretending that grieving for a lost friend is a horrible thing.
 
2013-11-13 01:33:05 AM

mamoru: wallywam1: All someone has to do is repeat a cliche and you go apeshiat?

Well, a text post on Fark is a rather minimal definition of apeshiat, but if it fits, then, I guess so?

Isn't this what Fark is for? :p


Teacher, keep on teachin'. Godspeed.
 
2013-11-13 01:39:45 AM
Oh just shut the fark up, school administratiors.

Shut the ever-loving fark up. Your bullshiat is getting absolutely batshiat crazy and you need to shut the fark up about stupid farking shiat like t'shirts and bracelets and streaks of color in hair and Swiss Army knives and shoe colors and whatever just shut your whore mouths. Stop it.

fark. STAAAAAAHP.
 
2013-11-13 01:46:20 AM
shirtshovel.com
 
2013-11-13 01:59:45 AM
I wonder what would have happened if they had all worn Twisted Sister pins...
 
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