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(Yahoo)   Not news: Methodist pastor officiates at his son's gay wedding. News: Methodist leaders are determining whether to strip him of his title. FARK: Wedding was six years ago   (gma.yahoo.com) divider line 69
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2013-11-12 05:14:06 PM
Purge the heretics!
 
2013-11-12 05:14:55 PM
Jesus the bigot strikes again! Awe shucks!
 
2013-11-12 05:15:12 PM
It's EXACTLY this kind of crap that turned me apatheist.

/religion, for people who want power but can't get elected
 
2013-11-12 05:16:33 PM
Methodist!  fark me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos....
 
2013-11-12 05:17:56 PM
It takes a while to run this kind of thing past God, see what he thinks.
 
2013-11-12 05:18:02 PM
Nothing shows God how much you love him than oppressing other people.
 
2013-11-12 05:19:29 PM

TV's Vinnie: Nothing shows God how much you love him than oppressing other people.


Worked for King David.
 
2013-11-12 05:20:55 PM
I too live my life according to lessons I learned from a good book...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-12 05:23:45 PM
Have they outed the parishioner who got pissed at the pastor and turned him into the head office?
 
2013-11-12 05:23:54 PM
They shouldn't have to strip him of his title. He should man up and quit.
 
2013-11-12 05:26:44 PM
If he had sexually abused someone during the ceremony would they have just ignored the whole thing?
 
2013-11-12 05:26:58 PM
You've got a Methodist coloring book and you color really well
But don't color outside the lines or God will send you to Hell
 
2013-11-12 05:28:08 PM
The thing is; Methodism isn't as unified as, say, the Roman Catholic Church. All you really need to be a Methodist pastor is a soap box to stand on. Possibly a megaphone.
 
2013-11-12 05:28:25 PM
Subby, I don't know why you are surprised that even after 6 years they are going after this guy. Some people can hold a hardon for gay marriage for a long long time.
 
2013-11-12 05:28:43 PM

Russ1642: They shouldn't have to strip him of his title. He should man up and quit.


Why should he quit? They're the ones who suck.
 
2013-11-12 05:28:45 PM
Doesn't surprise me. At a few of the local ones, it takes 3 years to say bless you after the person who sneezed was buried 2 years later.
 
2013-11-12 05:31:27 PM
Give them time, they are being very methodical about this.
 
2013-11-12 05:32:46 PM

iheartscotch: The thing is; Methodism isn't as unified as, say, the Roman Catholic Church. All you really need to be a Methodist pastor is a soap box to stand on. Possibly a megaphone.


Ahh... no. They also have to go to seminary.
 
2013-11-12 05:32:58 PM
WARRIOR CODE!
 
2013-11-12 05:33:20 PM
UMC Judicial Council moves slower than molasses. Six years is like fast tracking the case for them.
 
2013-11-12 05:33:49 PM

patrick767: Ahh... no. They also have to go to seminary.


Hee hee.
 
2013-11-12 05:34:22 PM

patrick767: Russ1642: They shouldn't have to strip him of his title. He should man up and quit.

Why should he quit? They're the ones who suck.


He knew what he was signing up for and promised to uphold all of it when he did.
 
2013-11-12 05:34:30 PM
Better late than never.
 
2013-11-12 05:34:30 PM
FTFA: "On Saturday in Philadelphia, nearly 50 ministers participated in a same-sex wedding at a Methodist church as a symbol of support for their colleague, Schaefer..."

These aren't Baptists we're talking about, I suspect that there's quite a bit of support for this guy in the Church and I'll be interested to see what they end of doing(if anything)
 
2013-11-12 05:35:23 PM
Saul Alinsky would be so proud.
 
2013-11-12 05:36:25 PM

Methodists are just Baptists who can read.



thisdistractedglobe.com
 
2013-11-12 05:36:57 PM

mcreadyblue: If he had sexually abused someone during the ceremony would they have just ignored the whole thing?


Methodist, not Catholic. At least get your hate right.


Voiceofreason01: FTFA: "On Saturday in Philadelphia, nearly 50 ministers participated in a same-sex wedding at a Methodist church as a symbol of support for their colleague, Schaefer..."

These aren't Baptists we're talking about, I suspect that there's quite a bit of support for this guy in the Church and I'll be interested to see what they end of doing(if anything)


Exactly. Many Methodists are quite liberal and progressive.
 
2013-11-12 05:37:36 PM

patrick767: Russ1642: They shouldn't have to strip him of his title. He should man up and quit.

Why should he quit? They're the ones who suck.


He's the one who sucks. He's a methodist.
 
2013-11-12 05:39:23 PM

patrick767: iheartscotch: The thing is; Methodism isn't as unified as, say, the Roman Catholic Church. All you really need to be a Methodist pastor is a soap box to stand on. Possibly a megaphone.

Ahh... no. They also have to go to seminary.


Aren't they the ones that have church names like "The 1st Amalgamated Church of the Body of the Christ"? I get confused on splitter groups of Christianity. It's more confusing than the names of Judaean people's fronts.
 
2013-11-12 05:42:10 PM

Voiceofreason01: FTFA: "On Saturday in Philadelphia, nearly 50 ministers participated in a same-sex wedding at a Methodist church as a symbol of support for their colleague, Schaefer..."

These aren't Baptists we're talking about, I suspect that there's quite a bit of support for this guy in the Church and I'll be interested to see what they end of doing(if anything)


Only because the UMC is oppressing the fastest growing part of its membership. The UMC is a global church and the congregations in Africa are adding members the fastest. However, even though they are guaranteed equal voting rights by the UMC Discipline(rulebook),they have been restricted in their representation at General Conference the last two times 2012 and 2008. Their is a saying that American UMC churches sent missionaries to Africa and now the Africans are sending missionaries to America. The African members have considerably more conservative positions and when they gain their due representation at General Conference, the waning support for these progressive moves that largely only exist in the Western U.S. will be swept aside.
 
2013-11-12 05:45:02 PM
Yeah well the Christ in their Christianity would have never challenged the rules or broken from tradtion


Crucify him why don'tcha jeeezlouise
 
2013-11-12 05:45:52 PM
Let 'em all burn in Hell. They invented it, may as well let 'em fear it.
 
2013-11-12 05:46:03 PM
My uncle is a Methodist pastor with a gay son so I'm...not getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-11-12 05:47:23 PM
I love my married gay son!
 
2013-11-12 05:47:47 PM
"

George Babbitt: Voiceofreason01: FTFA: "On Saturday in Philadelphia, nearly 50 ministers participated in a same-sex wedding at a Methodist church as a symbol of support for their colleague, Schaefer..."

These aren't Baptists we're talking about, I suspect that there's quite a bit of support for this guy in the Church and I'll be interested to see what they end of doing(if anything)

Only because the UMC is oppressing the fastest growing part of its membership. The UMC is a global church and the congregations in Africa are adding members the fastest. However, even though they are guaranteed equal voting rights by the UMC Discipline(rulebook),they have been restricted in their representation at General Conference the last two times 2012 and 2008. Their is a saying that American UMC churches sent missionaries to Africa and now the Africans are sending missionaries to America. The African members have considerably more conservative positions and when they gain their due representation at General Conference, the waning support for these progressive moves that largely only exist in the Western U.S. will be swept aside.



So, schism comin'?

/"I love my wedded gay son."
 
2013-11-12 05:49:17 PM

gnosis301: I love my married gay son!


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-11-12 05:51:29 PM
I was raised in a very tolerant methodist church. Lapsed as I am, I still feel moved to express my disapproval at this. I understand that there is something of a schism brewing, and I know which side I would support.
 
2013-11-12 05:51:38 PM

iheartscotch: patrick767: iheartscotch: The thing is; Methodism isn't as unified as, say, the Roman Catholic Church. All you really need to be a Methodist pastor is a soap box to stand on. Possibly a megaphone.

Ahh... no. They also have to go to seminary.

Aren't they the ones that have church names like "The 1st Amalgamated Church of the Body of the Christ"? I get confused on splitter groups of Christianity. It's more confusing than the names of Judaean people's fronts.


No. They're called " United Methodist Church." Usually with a name of some sort.

And yes, the Methodist church is usually quite progressive. The " gay" issue is probably the one thing they're still fairly conservative on... but there is a LOT of conflict over that one. There are many Methodist churches that are very welcoming, and others that only tolerate gays. My wife's former youth minister is openly gay, lives with his partner, and is the head minister of a local church. My wife's dad is a Methodist minister, and he's opposed to the church's official stance on the matter. I suspect the final decision on this matter is going to be very contentious and divided.
 
2013-11-12 05:52:22 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: I too live my life according to lessons I learned from a good book...

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Apples don't poop. Your life is a lie.
 
2013-11-12 05:53:19 PM
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:


So, schism comin'?


Saul Alinsky doesn't cover schism in his rules, so probably not. This is a do or die type of situation.
 
2013-11-12 05:53:42 PM

George Babbitt: patrick767: Russ1642: They shouldn't have to strip him of his title. He should man up and quit.

Why should he quit? They're the ones who suck.

He knew what he was signing up for and promised to uphold all of it when he did.


Organizations, even church denominations, change over time, but for that to happen people with different views have to stick around. "The gays" have been a big, divisive issue in the UMC for a number of years and if people like Schaefer just quit, the change they hope to see will never happen.
 
2013-11-12 05:56:13 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "George Babbitt: Voiceofreason01: FTFA: "On Saturday in Philadelphia, nearly 50 ministers participated in a same-sex wedding at a Methodist church as a symbol of support for their colleague, Schaefer..."

These aren't Baptists we're talking about, I suspect that there's quite a bit of support for this guy in the Church and I'll be interested to see what they end of doing(if anything)

Only because the UMC is oppressing the fastest growing part of its membership. The UMC is a global church and the congregations in Africa are adding members the fastest. However, even though they are guaranteed equal voting rights by the UMC Discipline(rulebook),they have been restricted in their representation at General Conference the last two times 2012 and 2008. Their is a saying that American UMC churches sent missionaries to Africa and now the Africans are sending missionaries to America. The African members have considerably more conservative positions and when they gain their due representation at General Conference, the waning support for these progressive moves that largely only exist in the Western U.S. will be swept aside.


So, schism comin'?

/"I love my wedded gay son."


Ayup.  Right now there is a level of fear that runs all the way to the top of the Methodist hierarchy.  Live the motto of "open hearts, minds, & doors"  and watch the wealthy conservatives take off, or repudiate the motto and watch the wealthy liberals flee.  Every day, mainline churches become less relevant, and the Methodist church is in the crosshairs now.
 
2013-11-12 05:59:47 PM
My uncle, who's a Methodist pastor with a gay son, explained it quite well (paraphrasing):

Christ Himself either said one thing or zero things about homosexuality, depending on how you interpret one word in the New Testament. He (Christ) said literally hundreds of things about loving the poor, the stranger, the prisoner, the destitute, the lame, the sick, the sinner, and the oppressed - but you don't see the Church a hundred times more up in arms about those issues, do you? If Christ did include homosexuality in his definition of fornication, then my son is a sinner - but so is everyone else. My son is giving, friendly, loving, compassionate, and caring, and those are things that Christ cared about more than who my son wants be romantically involved with. The people who think my son is sinning might be right, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone. When those people continually drive their expensive SUVs past a homeless person begging for food, fail to give any of their money to the needy at the end of the year, fail to visit the homebound or the prisoner, they have committed a much graver sin than my son ever did.
 
2013-11-12 06:07:47 PM

Lord Dimwit: Sin_City_Superhero: I too live my life according to lessons I learned from a good book...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 293x334]

Apples don't poop. Your life is a lie.


Maybe it's a road-apple?
 
2013-11-12 06:15:51 PM

Lord Dimwit: My uncle, who's a Methodist pastor with a gay son, explained it quite well (paraphrasing):

Christ Himself either said one thing or zero things about homosexuality, depending on how you interpret one word in the New Testament. He (Christ) said literally hundreds of things about loving the poor, the stranger, the prisoner, the destitute, the lame, the sick, the sinner, and the oppressed - but you don't see the Church a hundred times more up in arms about those issues, do you? If Christ did include homosexuality in his definition of fornication, then my son is a sinner - but so is everyone else. My son is giving, friendly, loving, compassionate, and caring, and those are things that Christ cared about more than who my son wants be romantically involved with. The people who think my son is sinning might be right, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone. When those people continually drive their expensive SUVs past a homeless person begging for food, fail to give any of their money to the needy at the end of the year, fail to visit the homebound or the prisoner, they have committed a much graver sin than my son ever did.



but your uncle does recognize homosexuality as a sin.........
 
2013-11-12 06:17:22 PM

Lord Dimwit: My uncle, who's a Methodist pastor with a gay son, explained it quite well (paraphrasing):

Christ Himself either said one thing or zero things about homosexuality, depending on how you interpret one word in the New Testament. He (Christ) said literally hundreds of things about loving the poor, the stranger, the prisoner, the destitute, the lame, the sick, the sinner, and the oppressed - but you don't see the Church a hundred times more up in arms about those issues, do you? If Christ did include homosexuality in his definition of fornication, then my son is a sinner - but so is everyone else. My son is giving, friendly, loving, compassionate, and caring, and those are things that Christ cared about more than who my son wants be romantically involved with. The people who think my son is sinning might be right, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone. When those people continually drive their expensive SUVs past a homeless person begging for food, fail to give any of their money to the needy at the end of the year, fail to visit the homebound or the prisoner, they have committed a much graver sin than my son ever did.


Committing one sin that is allegedly more grave(they're all equal FYI), does not justify doing another.
 
2013-11-12 06:18:33 PM

genner: Lord Dimwit: My uncle, who's a Methodist pastor with a gay son, explained it quite well (paraphrasing):

Christ Himself either said one thing or zero things about homosexuality, depending on how you interpret one word in the New Testament. He (Christ) said literally hundreds of things about loving the poor, the stranger, the prisoner, the destitute, the lame, the sick, the sinner, and the oppressed - but you don't see the Church a hundred times more up in arms about those issues, do you? If Christ did include homosexuality in his definition of fornication, then my son is a sinner - but so is everyone else. My son is giving, friendly, loving, compassionate, and caring, and those are things that Christ cared about more than who my son wants be romantically involved with. The people who think my son is sinning might be right, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone. When those people continually drive their expensive SUVs past a homeless person begging for food, fail to give any of their money to the needy at the end of the year, fail to visit the homebound or the prisoner, they have committed a much graver sin than my son ever did.


but your uncle does recognize homosexuality as a sin.........


He said *if* Christ included homosexuality within the definition of "fornication".

He also said that *everyone* is a sinner, including his son, himself, you, me, everyone - and people get far more up in arms about what would appear to Christ to be a relatively minor sin given how little he talked about it.

/ not Methodist
// not Christian
/// not...anything, really
 
2013-11-12 06:20:12 PM

George Babbitt: Lord Dimwit: My uncle, who's a Methodist pastor with a gay son, explained it quite well (paraphrasing):

Christ Himself either said one thing or zero things about homosexuality, depending on how you interpret one word in the New Testament. He (Christ) said literally hundreds of things about loving the poor, the stranger, the prisoner, the destitute, the lame, the sick, the sinner, and the oppressed - but you don't see the Church a hundred times more up in arms about those issues, do you? If Christ did include homosexuality in his definition of fornication, then my son is a sinner - but so is everyone else. My son is giving, friendly, loving, compassionate, and caring, and those are things that Christ cared about more than who my son wants be romantically involved with. The people who think my son is sinning might be right, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone. When those people continually drive their expensive SUVs past a homeless person begging for food, fail to give any of their money to the needy at the end of the year, fail to visit the homebound or the prisoner, they have committed a much graver sin than my son ever did.

Committing one sin that is allegedly more grave(they're all equal FYI), does not justify doing another.


I know, they're all equal. That's why when I fail to give money to charity at the end of the year I end up in the same Hell as a child murderer.

Besides, he wasn't saying it justified it - he said "remove the beam from thine own eye, and then you can cast out the mote in your brother's." I think he was quoting someone, but I'm not sure who...
 
2013-11-12 06:24:41 PM

Lord Dimwit: George Babbitt: Lord Dimwit: My uncle, who's a Methodist pastor with a gay son, explained it quite well (paraphrasing):

Christ Himself either said one thing or zero things about homosexuality, depending on how you interpret one word in the New Testament. He (Christ) said literally hundreds of things about loving the poor, the stranger, the prisoner, the destitute, the lame, the sick, the sinner, and the oppressed - but you don't see the Church a hundred times more up in arms about those issues, do you? If Christ did include homosexuality in his definition of fornication, then my son is a sinner - but so is everyone else. My son is giving, friendly, loving, compassionate, and caring, and those are things that Christ cared about more than who my son wants be romantically involved with. The people who think my son is sinning might be right, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone. When those people continually drive their expensive SUVs past a homeless person begging for food, fail to give any of their money to the needy at the end of the year, fail to visit the homebound or the prisoner, they have committed a much graver sin than my son ever did.

Committing one sin that is allegedly more grave(they're all equal FYI), does not justify doing another.

I know, they're all equal. That's why when I fail to give money to charity at the end of the year I end up in the same Hell as a child murderer.

Besides, he wasn't saying it justified it - he said "remove the beam from thine own eye, and then you can cast out the mote in your brother's." I think he was quoting someone, but I'm not sure who...


Yes, but it also doesn't say, I will ignore the mote in your eye if you ignore the beam in mine. This seems to be the reality of the current state of affairs where an agreement is sought after.
 
2013-11-12 06:30:17 PM
FTA: "Jesus our Lord and Savior never mentioned homosexuality at all and my point is if it is that important of an issue, why didn't he mention it?," Schaefer said. 

Ding!
 
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