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2013-11-12 03:13:43 PM

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R.I.P. The Todd

 
2013-11-12 03:53:47 PM
I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements. Or why the suburbs would want to pay a shiatload of money to build a stadium where there is no public transportation.
 
2013-11-12 04:06:47 PM

ricewater_stool: I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements. Or why the suburbs would want to pay a shiatload of money to build a stadium where there is no public transportation.


Construction and financing of sports facilities is anathema to reason and logic.
 
2013-11-12 04:10:59 PM
Will they chop it down with tomahawks?
 
2013-11-12 04:21:02 PM

ricewater_stool: Or why the suburbs would want to pay a shiatload of money to build a stadium where there is no public transportation.


It keeps the poors away.
 
2013-11-12 04:21:21 PM
Hmm, FTFA Cobb county has 700k residents and they are chipping in $450m for the stadium -- that's ~$640 a person if you're counting at home.
 
2013-11-12 04:22:16 PM
The Braves say a system of buses will be used to get fans around the site

That should be a hoot.

and predicted that access to the new stadium will be better than at Turner Field.

It can't be much worse, that's for sure...
 
2013-11-12 04:24:21 PM

borg: Will they chop it down with tomahawks?


They will, but naturally there won't be enough fans in the stands to finish the job.
 
2013-11-12 04:25:47 PM
The Ted was probably killed by location more than anything else.  It was over a mile from nearest mass transit, and was lodged in a forgettable nowhere-land in the ghetto rather than being in a part of Atlanta that tourists and locals would actually want to go to.

Now the Braves are just going to be in an even more forgettable inaccessible nowhere.  I'll check back on those attendance numbers in 2020.
 
2013-11-12 04:30:21 PM
Whose Tomohawk Chopper is it?
 
2013-11-12 04:30:56 PM

borg: Will they chop it down with tomahawks?


Oh, nevermind.
 
2013-11-12 04:36:03 PM

ricewater_stool: I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements.


A few things, when they built the stadium, they made a big deal about the seats being a brand new special composite and never needing painting or maintence over a quick cleaning.  Well they were right and for 10 years the were great, then the UV light started breaking down the seats now every seat needs to be replaced.  The scoreboards and Jumbotron are all well worn from that same exposure.  There is a major problem with the lighting and that would have to be torn down replaced.  The men's rooms are all in really poor condition for some reason.  The press boxes apparently don't have enough power capabilities.

It is a very long list essentially they would need to pull a Soldier Field to fix the problems.
 
2013-11-12 04:40:00 PM
Does Turner Field have shiat geysers in the dugouts? Uh huh. That's what I thought.
 
2013-11-12 04:41:04 PM

cefm: The Ted was probably killed by location more than anything else.  It was over a mile from nearest mass transit, and was lodged in a forgettable nowhere-land in the ghetto rather than being in a part of Atlanta that tourists and locals would actually want to go to.

Now the Braves are just going to be in an even more forgettable inaccessible nowhere.  I'll check back on those attendance numbers in 2020.


I'm curious as to what the reason will be for not attending now that "it's scary" is off the table.  Atlanta fans aren't going to start making an effort to show up no matter how easy it gets - and driving from Gwinnett across the top end certainly isn't going to be easy.

 
2013-11-12 04:41:34 PM
 
2013-11-12 04:42:42 PM

ElwoodCuse: Does Turner Field have shiat geysers in the dugouts?


John Rocker left in 2001.
 
2013-11-12 04:43:58 PM

Cagey B: ricewater_stool: I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements. Or why the suburbs would want to pay a shiatload of money to build a stadium where there is no public transportation.

Construction and financing of sports facilities is anathema to reason and logic.



because socialism.  (Cobb County tea-party style)
 
2013-11-12 04:44:50 PM
On a slightly related note; if the Ted goes away what happens to the round parking lot (the outline of the old Fulton County stadium) with the monument of where Hank Aaron's 715th home run went over the fence?
 
2013-11-12 04:44:52 PM
Had you asked me which stadium would be the next one to be torn down, I probably would've gone with O.co.
 
2013-11-12 04:46:30 PM

ZMugg: On a slightly related note; if the Ted goes away what happens to the round parking lot (the outline of the old Fulton County stadium) with the monument of where Hank Aaron's 715th home run went over the fence?


A park and due to the area a new homeless encampment.

/Just guessing, the mayor thinks middle income people are suddenly going to move to that area?
 
2013-11-12 04:48:43 PM
Interesting read on the history of the area Turner Field is in

http://www.atlantamagazine.com/features/2013/06/21/turner-field-deve lo pment
 
2013-11-12 04:53:52 PM

Tom_Slick: /Just guessing, the mayor thinks middle income people are suddenly going to move to that area?


You think they're not? Grant Park/Cabbagetown/Memorial is already gentrified as all hell, and not 1 mile north of the lots near the Capitol is all kinds of new growth infill where all the old factories used to be.

If you build it, they will gentrify. Because that location is actually really awesome; in a way, it's the best thing that could happen to Atlanta in a long time re: development.

In 2027, when there are skyscrapers where the Ted used to be and the "game day experience" at Cobb is no different (minus one of the best views in all of professional sports), Atlanta will look back and have the last laugh.
 
2013-11-12 04:56:46 PM
I bet with all that extra tax money, Atlanta schools are top-notch.
 
2013-11-12 05:00:35 PM

Cheeseface: You think they're not? Grant Park/Cabbagetown/Memorial is already gentrified as all hell, and not 1 mile north of the lots near the Capitol is all kinds of new growth infill where all the old factories used to be.


It won't work for one reason and one reason only, the city owns the land. The city will somehow screw it up.
 
2013-11-12 05:06:38 PM

Tom_Slick: It won't work for one reason and one reason only, the city owns the land. The city will somehow screw it up.


NOOOOOO!!!!

you're right
 
2013-11-12 05:15:12 PM

Tom_Slick: The scoreboards and Jumbotron are all well worn from that same exposure


Whatever...

They put in a new scoreboard in 2006 or whatever and then updated it again just recently.

Tom_Slick: There is a major problem with the lighting and that would have to be torn down replaced.


This is one of the big ones. No outfield lights has been a problem since forever. And, there isn't any place to put them, either.

Rapmaster2000: I'm curious as to what the reason will be for not attending now that "it's scary" is off the table.


I dunno, I figure people will still find a way to call south cobb scary.
 
2013-11-12 05:24:49 PM

balki1867: Hmm, FTFA Cobb county has 700k residents and they are chipping in $450m for the stadium -- that's ~$640 a person if you're counting at home.


You wish. They'll finance that shiat and each resident (or their offspring) will owe at least $1000.
 
2013-11-12 05:30:41 PM

ricewater_stool: I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements. Or why the suburbs would want to pay a shiatload of money to build a stadium where there is no public transportation.


Ask Glendale, Az about that. Not only did they build a football stadium on the outskirts of town, they built a hockey arena as well. There may be plenty of parking, but their isn't much other stuff to do out there yet.
 
2013-11-12 05:32:56 PM

LessO2: ElwoodCuse: Does Turner Field have shiat geysers in the dugouts?

John Rocker left in 2001.


I went to one game this year - John Rocker was there. There was a group of rednecks one of which was wearing a Rocker jersey at the Bullpen Rib House and lo, Rocker appeared and sat with them.
 
2013-11-12 05:36:36 PM

FrancoFile: We had this thread yesterday.


Atlanta announced today that Turner field will be demolished when the Braves leave.  Slightly different angle on the same story.
 
2013-11-12 05:37:54 PM
Stadiums in Atlanta stick around about as much as their fans...
 
2013-11-12 05:39:14 PM

Tom_Slick: ricewater_stool: I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements.

A few things, when they built the stadium, they made a big deal about the seats being a brand new special composite and never needing painting or maintence over a quick cleaning.  Well they were right and for 10 years the were great, then the UV light started breaking down the seats now every seat needs to be replaced.  The scoreboards and Jumbotron are all well worn from that same exposure.  There is a major problem with the lighting and that would have to be torn down replaced.  The men's rooms are all in really poor condition for some reason.  The press boxes apparently don't have enough power capabilities.

It is a very long list essentially they would need to pull a Soldier Field to fix the problems.



Figure $1,000 per seat (which seems very high) -- that's $40,000,000 to replace all the seats.  $20,000,000 for scoreboard and jumbotron replacement (again, high estimate).  $20,000,000 for lighting and electrical.  $20,000,000 for miscellaneous upgrades.  So that's $100,000,000 -- how do they get to $250,000,000?

Camden Yards has replaced all the seats, the scoreboard, the video board, the right-field out-of-town scoreboard, and upgraded the concession stands, and I think the cost was somewhere around $50 million.  And it only cost $110 million to build the stadium 20 years ago.
 
2013-11-12 05:42:03 PM
I know y'all don't care, but the Las Vegas 51's are moving, too. The Brave's move doesn't really impact me too much, as I watch the games online. But we get season tickets at work so I go to a ton of 51's games. I hope the new stadium is easy to get in and out of...
 
2013-11-12 05:42:35 PM

bulldg4life: I dunno, I figure people will still find a way to call south cobb scary.


I can see parts of Spring Rd being deemed scary.

I used to live and worked in the Cobb Cloverleaf area.  I thought this news was first a joke, and then started wondering about the traffic. Windy Ridge and Circle 75 were my back roads to avoid traffic.  I can see the Braves using the Cumberland Community Improvement District to its advantage. The new location is in the middle of the CID.  I wouldn't be surprised if they are learning to use this from Disney, since they hold spring training down there. I haven't seen many article mention the CID point.
 
2013-11-12 05:43:20 PM

MagicBus: Tom_Slick: ricewater_stool: I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements.

A few things, when they built the stadium, they made a big deal about the seats being a brand new special composite and never needing painting or maintence over a quick cleaning.  Well they were right and for 10 years the were great, then the UV light started breaking down the seats now every seat needs to be replaced.  The scoreboards and Jumbotron are all well worn from that same exposure.  There is a major problem with the lighting and that would have to be torn down replaced.  The men's rooms are all in really poor condition for some reason.  The press boxes apparently don't have enough power capabilities.

It is a very long list essentially they would need to pull a Soldier Field to fix the problems.


Figure $1,000 per seat (which seems very high) -- that's $40,000,000 to replace all the seats.  $20,000,000 for scoreboard and jumbotron replacement (again, high estimate).  $20,000,000 for lighting and electrical.  $20,000,000 for miscellaneous upgrades.  So that's $100,000,000 -- how do they get to $250,000,000?

Camden Yards has replaced all the seats, the scoreboard, the video board, the right-field out-of-town scoreboard, and upgraded the concession stands, and I think the cost was somewhere around $50 million.  And it only cost $110 million to build the stadium 20 years ago.


The land around turner field is low income housing, parking lots, and boarded up buildings.

The Braves own none of it and can make little/no decisions on what is done with the area.

And, millions of dollars have been put in to mechanicsville, Summerville, and other surrounding areas since the early 90s. It has accomplished nothing.
 
2013-11-12 05:46:21 PM

84Charlie: ricewater_stool: I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements. Or why the suburbs would want to pay a shiatload of money to build a stadium where there is no public transportation.

Ask Glendale, Az about that. Not only did they build a football stadium on the outskirts of town, they built a hockey arena as well. There may be plenty of parking, but their isn't much other stuff to do out there yet.


Ask Kansas City about that.  In the 40 years since The K and Arrowhead were built, all that surrounds them is acres of parking.  You drive to the games, park, watch the game, go to your car, drive home.  I don't think I've spent more than $20 in the area surrounding the sport complex
 
2013-11-12 05:47:07 PM

peachy92: bulldg4life: I dunno, I figure people will still find a way to call south cobb scary.

I can see parts of Spring Rd being deemed scary.

I used to live and worked in the Cobb Cloverleaf area.  I thought this news was first a joke, and then started wondering about the traffic. Windy Ridge and Circle 75 were my back roads to avoid traffic.  I can see the Braves using the Cumberland Community Improvement District to its advantage. The new location is in the middle of the CID.  I wouldn't be surprised if they are learning to use this from Disney, since they hold spring training down there. I haven't seen many article mention the CID point.


There should be a way to add a new "braves" exit for the area on 75 just north of 285. If I'm thinking of the area properly, it should be possible.

However, that area is already at a standstill on weekday afternoons at 5pm. Just as bad as the connector. So, not really a traffic improvement unless you live up 75 cause now you only have to go half as far.
 
2013-11-12 05:47:52 PM

MagicBus: Figure $1,000 per seat (which seems very high) -- that's $40,000,000 to replace all the seats. $20,000,000 for scoreboard and jumbotron replacement (again, high estimate). $20,000,000 for lighting and electrical. $20,000,000 for miscellaneous upgrades. So that's $100,000,000 -- how do they get to $250,000,000?


thecriticalcritics.com

Thornton Melon: Oh, you left out a bunch of stuff.

Dr. Phillip Barbay: Oh really? Like what for instance?

Thornton Melon: First of all you're going to have to grease the local politicians for the sudden zoning problems that always come up. Then there's the kickbacks to the carpenters, and if you plan on using any cement in this building I'm sure the teamsters would like to have a little chat with ya, and that'll cost ya. Oh and don't forget a little something for the building inspectors. Then there's long term costs such as waste disposal. I don't know if you're familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it's not the Boy Scouts.

Dr. Phillip Barbay: That will be quite enough, Mr. Melon! Maybe bribes, kickbacks and Mafia payoffs are how YOU do business! But they are NOT part of the legitimate business world! And they are certainly not part of anything I am doing in this class. Do I make myself clear, Mr. Melon!

Dr. Phillip Barbay: ...now, not withstanding Mr. Mellon's input. The next question for us is where to build our factory?

Thornton Melon: how 'bout fantasyland?
 
2013-11-12 05:51:30 PM

The Onion is prophetic: Had you asked me which stadium would be the next one to be torn down, I probably would've gone with O.co.


That shiathole is going to outlast every stadium but Wrigley at this rate.

/Misses the Coliseum that was demolished in 1996.
 
2013-11-12 05:54:16 PM
Sports parasites creating more debt for tax payers...
/SSDD
 
2013-11-12 06:12:11 PM
Sometimes I seriously wonder if Metro ATL -- more so the tardbilly suburbs (which are full of all-world derpers) than the city itself -- is just trolling everybody.  Whole region makes Houston look like Paris as urban planning goes.

So apparently the answer to the "problem" of a perfectly good stadium that lacks parking and mass transit is to move it to possibly the most absurdly-congested several miles of highway in the country, with little land for parking, and with even shiattier mass transit access -- in a county that refuses to boost mass transit because "It'll brang all them n**gers intuh Mrrrrehttuh MMMMHMMM."

It's like the Georgia DOT listens to Los Angeles residents saying traffic can't possibly be worse anywhere and thinks, "Challenge accepted."

You could turn the whole god-damned metro area's planning over to a bunch of PCP addicts and get a more efficient setup.  I'd let a bunch of chimpanzees loose in NORAD before giving them a stadium there.
 
2013-11-12 06:21:38 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: Sometimes I seriously wonder if Metro ATL -- more so the tardbilly suburbs (which are full of all-world derpers) than the city itself -- is just trolling everybody.  Whole region makes Houston look like Paris as urban planning goes.

So apparently the answer to the "problem" of a perfectly good stadium that lacks parking and mass transit is to move it to possibly the most absurdly-congested several miles of highway in the country, with little land for parking, and with even shiattier mass transit access -- in a county that refuses to boost mass transit because "It'll brang all them n**gers intuh Mrrrrehttuh MMMMHMMM."

It's like the Georgia DOT listens to Los Angeles residents saying traffic can't possibly be worse anywhere and thinks, "Challenge accepted."

You could turn the whole god-damned metro area's planning over to a bunch of PCP addicts and get a more efficient setup.  I'd let a bunch of chimpanzees loose in NORAD before giving them a stadium there.


All of this.
 
2013-11-12 06:25:35 PM

ricewater_stool: I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements. Or why the suburbs would want to pay a shiatload of money to build a stadium where there is no public transportation.


This exactly describes the sentiments of Seattle voters a few years back, and now Seattle doesn't have an NBA team.
 
2013-11-12 06:27:02 PM

Super Chronic: ricewater_stool: I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements. Or why the suburbs would want to pay a shiatload of money to build a stadium where there is no public transportation.

This exactly describes the sentiments of Seattle voters a few years back, and now Seattle doesn't have an NBA team.


..and where exactly would the Braves move to as a threat?
 
2013-11-12 06:27:06 PM
If I was the Atlanta Mayor, I'd play a new game: "Let's see how low we can make attendance go!"

Announce, right now, that from this point until the Braves leave, we're conducting "Operation: For the Children". There will be mandatory DUI checkpoints for every driver leaving stadium parking lots, and public intoxication laws are going to be STRICTLY enforced inside the Ted.

Furthermore, there's now a 103% metropolitan income tax on anyone participating in a professional baseball game in the city of Atlanta. Just to screw with the integrity of the game, for the sake of the law, "participating" will be defined as playing more than 5 innings, with an exception for a starting pitcher throwing a no-hitter. However, should the pitcher give up a hit in the 6th inning or later, they would be on the line for the full 103% of their game check.

And, two days before Opening Day 2014, announce that- in light of the Braves choosing to end their lease, the city is breaking the lease prematurely and locking the team out of the Ted (there may be language in place to prevent this). I'm sure there would be an immediate court injunction allowing them to play, but it's a matter of principle.

Maybe schedule municipal water and/ or sewer outages during the 6th inning on a regular basis. Just have fun with the whole process.
 
2013-11-12 06:27:35 PM

The Bestest: All of this.


I say this as somebody who loves ATL proper too.  Food, people, architecture, etc.  It's great.  It could be an amazing city if it weren't surrounded by Georgia.
 
2013-11-12 06:32:02 PM

The Bestest: Super Chronic: ricewater_stool: I don't understand how a 16 year old stadium could possibly need $250 million in improvements. Or why the suburbs would want to pay a shiatload of money to build a stadium where there is no public transportation.

This exactly describes the sentiments of Seattle voters a few years back, and now Seattle doesn't have an NBA team.

..and where exactly would the Braves move to as a threat?


Oklahoma? Hey, stop laughing. That's also what Seattle voters did.
 
2013-11-12 06:42:31 PM
Strictly from a location standpoint, Doraville would be better. Spaghetti Junction is ever-so-slightly less of a mess than the Cobb Cloverleaf, it's in a spot closer to their precious season ticket holders, and it's MARTA accessible. Problem is (as someone pointed out yesterday), whomever took over that site would be responsible for the little environmental messes GM left behind, and that's a pretty tall order.
 
2013-11-12 07:23:33 PM

FrancoFile: We had this thread yesterday.


Well, yes, but this one has a "Pulp Fiction" reference. Mind you, it takes a minute to recognize it, but once you change the T to a Z, well...
 
2013-11-12 07:28:45 PM

Cheeseface: Tom_Slick: /Just guessing, the mayor thinks middle income people are suddenly going to move to that area?

You think they're not? Grant Park/Cabbagetown/Memorial is already gentrified as all hell, and not 1 mile north of the lots near the Capitol is all kinds of new growth infill where all the old factories used to be.

If you build it, they will gentrify. Because that location is actually really awesome; in a way, it's the best thing that could happen to Atlanta in a long time re: development.


I thought of that today.  Why hasn't that area gentrified?  A mile East and a mile North already have.  A friend of mine owns two houses there (he lives in one and rents one).  It's been the same since he moved there over 10 years ago.  Nothing changes.
 
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