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(Aint-It-Cool-News)   Looks like they might cut costs on the next STAR TREK movie. Let's start with the lens-flare light rigging   (aintitcool.com) divider line 87
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2013-11-12 01:06:05 PM  
First cuts will be to script, plot and making sense.
 
2013-11-12 01:06:30 PM  
Start with the writers.
 
2013-11-12 01:17:04 PM  
They should re-do Star Trek IV this time, only in this ultra-edgy universe dreamed up by JJ Abrams the Earth's whale population is actually booming and the ship that arrives in orbit is actually the Whale Mother Ship that coordinates with all the whales to unleash a devastating attack on the Earth's coastal cities, including San Francisco where Star Fleet Command is located, and Kirk is the only surviving captain and he's got to travel back in time to make sure that enough whales are killed in the 20th century that the attack can be stopped in the past before it begins in the present.
 
2013-11-12 01:19:32 PM  

Pocket Ninja: They should re-do Star Trek IV this time, only in this ultra-edgy universe dreamed up by JJ Abrams the Earth's whale population is actually booming and the ship that arrives in orbit is actually the Whale Mother Ship that coordinates with all the whales to unleash a devastating attack on the Earth's coastal cities, including San Francisco where Star Fleet Command is located, and Kirk is the only surviving captain and he's got to travel back in time to make sure that enough whales are killed in the 20th century that the attack can be stopped in the past before it begins in the present.


And all of that in the first five minutes.
 
2013-11-12 01:33:16 PM  

Barfmaker: Pocket Ninja: They should re-do Star Trek IV this time, only in this ultra-edgy universe dreamed up by JJ Abrams the Earth's whale population is actually booming and the ship that arrives in orbit is actually the Whale Mother Ship that coordinates with all the whales to unleash a devastating attack on the Earth's coastal cities, including San Francisco where Star Fleet Command is located, and Kirk is the only surviving captain and he's got to travel back in time to make sure that enough whales are killed in the 20th century that the attack can be stopped in the past before it begins in the present.

And all of that in the first five minutes.


Then we find out that this has been Q farking with the universe the entire time in hopes to make a more interesting Picard for him to harass.

Then they meet the Borg.
 
2013-11-12 01:33:23 PM  

ManateeGag: First cuts will be to script, plot and making sense.


They didn't have that in the first two, how can they cut it from the third?
 
2013-11-12 01:49:36 PM  

Mugato: Start with the writers.


Amen.  Bring back the writers from Spock's Brain.
 
2013-11-12 01:50:59 PM  

Pocket Ninja: They should re-do Star Trek IV this time, only in this ultra-edgy universe dreamed up by JJ Abrams the Earth's whale population is actually booming and the ship that arrives in orbit is actually the Whale Mother Ship that coordinates with all the whales to unleash a devastating attack on the Earth's coastal cities, including San Francisco where Star Fleet Command is located, and Kirk is the only surviving captain and he's got to travel back in time to make sure that enough whales are killed in the 20th century that the attack can be stopped in the past before it begins in the present.


I'd pay money to see that
 
2013-11-12 02:05:15 PM  

Persnickety: Mugato: Start with the writers.

Amen.  Bring back the writers from Spock's Brain.


Right. There were some poorly written episodes in the 30+ seasons and 11 movies in the history of Star Trek so the writing in the new films are above reproach. Every Trek show but Voyager got Hugo nominations for writing. They can do better than JJ's normal crew of hacks.
 
2013-11-12 02:07:31 PM  

Mugato: Persnickety: Mugato: Start with the writers.

Amen.  Bring back the writers from Spock's Brain.

Right. There were some poorly written episodes in the 30+ seasons and 11 movies in the history of Star Trek so the writing in the new films are above reproach. Every Trek show but Voyager got Hugo nominations for writing. They can do better than JJ's normal crew of hacks.


NERD FIGHT!
 
2013-11-12 02:07:51 PM  

Pocket Ninja: They should re-do Star Trek IV this time, only in this ultra-edgy universe dreamed up by JJ Abrams the Earth's whale population is actually booming and the ship that arrives in orbit is actually the Whale Mother Ship that coordinates with all the whales to unleash a devastating attack on the Earth's coastal cities, including San Francisco where Star Fleet Command is located, and Kirk is the only surviving captain and he's got to travel back in time to make sure that enough whales are killed in the 20th century that the attack can be stopped in the past before it begins in the present.


Did an air show for the prime minister of India aboard our Aircraft Carrier.  A super-pod of dolphins were in the wrong place at the wrong time.  A squadron of A-6's came in and bombed the living hell out of them.

So we dwindled down the dolphin population.  Hope that helps with fish mammalian invasion of 2415.
 
2013-11-12 02:12:13 PM  
Well they won't need CGI spaceships any more since now the characters can just beam immediately to wherever they want in the universe.
 
2013-11-12 02:15:43 PM  

cartersdad: Pocket Ninja: They should re-do Star Trek IV this time, only in this ultra-edgy universe dreamed up by JJ Abrams the Earth's whale population is actually booming and the ship that arrives in orbit is actually the Whale Mother Ship that coordinates with all the whales to unleash a devastating attack on the Earth's coastal cities, including San Francisco where Star Fleet Command is located, and Kirk is the only surviving captain and he's got to travel back in time to make sure that enough whales are killed in the 20th century that the attack can be stopped in the past before it begins in the present.

Did an air show for the prime minister of India Japan aboard our Aircraft Carrier.  A super-pod of dolphins were in the wrong place at the wrong time.  A squadron of A-6's came in and bombed the living hell out of them.

So we dwindled down the dolphin population.  Hope that helps with fish mammalian invasion of 2415.


Would have been so much funnier.
 
2013-11-12 02:18:46 PM  

Persnickety: Mugato: Start with the writers.

Amen.  Bring back the writers from Spock's Brain.


Ironically the guy who wrote Spock's Brain was one of the guys who invented many important parts of the Star Trek universe. He invented the Klingons, Khan, the Prime Directive, the dynamic between Kirk, Spock and Bones etc.
Personally I think Gene Coon is at least as much responsible for the success of Star Trek as Gene Roddenberry. Roddenberry was the visionary, Coon was the one who made Star Trek about the people and formed it into a show we want to watch.
Spock's Brain was some kind of fark you though as a parting gift. Sadly the new producer didn't have much of a chance to dismiss it as that. (If you are the new producer of a SF show and you get a script from one of the former script editors and best writers, you'd probably ignore your bad feeling and trust the experience of the beloved script author, too. And the producer didn't have enough scripts anyway.)

Sadly, Gene Coon passed away, but I'd be glad if Star Trek would get another writer like him. (Michael Piller was also great, but he died, too. What's with all the dying writers?)
 
2013-11-12 02:24:51 PM  

ManateeGag: First cuts will be to script, plot and making sense.


When has writing made for a good film?
 
2013-11-12 02:27:10 PM  
I thought it was amusing how friends were telling me that the second movie "fixed" the things I was complaining about in the first movie.

Wavered about not seeing it for a bit, then I heard how they re-hashed the Khan story.  Give me a farking break.
 
2013-11-12 02:31:58 PM  
i'm okay with this.

when STID came out, I didn't get a chance to see it, and I looked up spoilers.  I LOVED the story.

then when I finally saw the movie, the story I enjoyed was buried and mostly obscured by effects, ID4 canyon-chases, pewpewpews, super-jumping wirework, shakycams, CGI spacesplosions, and yes more than a little lens-flare.
 
2013-11-12 02:36:30 PM  

ManateeGag: First cuts will be to script, plot and making sense.


Ye cannae get blood from a stone, Cap'n.
 
2013-11-12 02:36:43 PM  

Klopfer: Persnickety: Mugato: Start with the writers.

Amen.  Bring back the writers from Spock's Brain.

Ironically the guy who wrote Spock's Brain was one of the guys who invented many important parts of the Star Trek universe. He invented the Klingons, Khan, the Prime Directive, the dynamic between Kirk, Spock and Bones etc.
Personally I think Gene Coon is at least as much responsible for the success of Star Trek as Gene Roddenberry. Roddenberry was the visionary, Coon was the one who made Star Trek about the people and formed it into a show we want to watch.
Spock's Brain was some kind of fark you though as a parting gift. Sadly the new producer didn't have much of a chance to dismiss it as that. (If you are the new producer of a SF show and you get a script from one of the former script editors and best writers, you'd probably ignore your bad feeling and trust the experience of the beloved script author, too. And the producer didn't have enough scripts anyway.)

Sadly, Gene Coon passed away, but I'd be glad if Star Trek would get another writer like him. (Michael Piller was also great, but he died, too. What's with all the dying writers?)


Similarly, the guys who wrote "In the Pale Moonlight" on DS9 also wrote "Profit and Lace" aka "Quark in Drag". Odd how they wrote that show's best AND worst episodes.
 
2013-11-12 02:38:05 PM  
Also, it should be noted that some of the very best  STAR TREK...ever...took place in limited confines (The Original Series' BALANCE OF TERROR being one example).

Yeah, a bottle show can work well for series television, but these episodes tend to be dialog-heavy with limited action, and I don't think most folks are going to sit through 2 hours of Pine, Quinto, and Urban yammering at each other on one set.
 
2013-11-12 02:38:31 PM  

skyotter: i'm okay with this.

when STID came out, I didn't get a chance to see it, and I looked up spoilers.  I LOVED the story.

then when I finally saw the movie, the story I enjoyed was buried and mostly obscured by effects, ID4 canyon-chases, pewpewpews, super-jumping wirework, shakycams, CGI spacesplosions, and yes more than a little lens-flare.


But LESS than in the first movie, I think... I kind of obsess on stuff once I notice it and get bothered by it(I have trouble sitting through the first movie now, even tough I enjoyed it overall, because I find myself either distracted by the stupid lens flare or looking for it), and I don't think I saw as much. Still too much though. STID was OK, was the story could definitely have been delivered to us better.
 
2013-11-12 02:39:35 PM  

ManateeGag: Then we find out that this has been Q farking with the universe the entire time in hopes to make a more interesting Picard for him to harass.


I'm nbot wrong for thinking that'd be awesome, am i?
 
2013-11-12 02:40:55 PM  
graphic-engine.swarthmore.edu
 
2013-11-12 02:41:25 PM  
A movie with Q in it would be cool.  And boobies
 
2013-11-12 02:41:33 PM  
They'll have to cut back on the wardrobe budget for Alice Eve.

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It won't be easy, but worthwhile things rarely are.
 
2013-11-12 02:44:48 PM  

Bacontastesgood: Wavered about not seeing it for a bit, then I heard how they re-hashed the Khan story.  Give me a farking break.


Not exactly a re-hash of the Khan story. That would be impossible, since the Khan story spans 15 years and its main themes are Kirk and Spock's long time friendship And Khan's long time desire for revenge. Obviously STID couldn't have any of that because Kirk never met Khan and Kirk and Spock don't even like each other. But they shoe horned it in anyway.

It was more along of the lines of, you know those Scary/Date/Disaster Movies where the whole joke is, "remember this scene from that better movie? That's the the joke!"? That's what the majority of STID was. That and the cool shot of the Enterprise under water for some reason that wasn't explained.
 
2013-11-12 02:45:08 PM  

floor: When has writing made for a good film?


You serious, Clark?
 
2013-11-12 02:47:07 PM  

SpdrJay: Well they won't need CGI spaceships any more since now the characters can just beam immediately to wherever they want in the universe.



No, you see further research will show that because of [long stream of technobabble] transwarp teleportation is actually far too dangerous and unreliable for Starfleet to actually utilize it. Khan only survived his trip because of nigh-invulnerable plot armor.
 
2013-11-12 02:47:30 PM  

Pocket Ninja: They should re-do Star Trek IV this time, only in this ultra-edgy universe dreamed up by JJ Abrams the Earth's whale population is actually booming and the ship that arrives in orbit is actually the Whale Mother Ship that coordinates with all the whales to unleash a devastating attack on the Earth's coastal cities, including San Francisco where Star Fleet Command is located, and Kirk is the only surviving captain and he's got to travel back in time to make sure that enough whales are killed in the 20th century that the attack can be stopped in the past before it begins in the present.


I would watch the shiat out of this movie.
 
2013-11-12 02:50:26 PM  

Persnickety: Mugato: Start with the writers.

Amen.  Bring back the writers from Spock's Brain.


Lindelof isn't going to sleep with you no matter how hard you whiteknight NuTrek.

/bring back the writers from Balance of Terror.
 
2013-11-12 02:52:54 PM  

Blathering Idjut: floor: When has writing made for a good film?

You serious, Clark?


I laughed harder than I should at that.
 
2013-11-12 02:53:45 PM  

Persnickety: Mugato: Start with the writers.

Amen.  Bring back the writers from Spock's Brain.


You mean Lee Cronin, aka Gene L. Coon?  Here are his Star Trek TOS writing credits:

    Space Seed (16 February 1967) - Writer (teleplay) , producer
    A Taste of Armageddon (23 February 1967) - Writer (teleplay) , producer
    The Devil in the Dark (9 March 1967) - Writer (written by) , producer
    Errand of Mercy (23 March 1967) - Writer (written by) , producer
    The Apple (13 October 1967) - Writer (teleplay) , producer
    Metamorphosis (10 November 1967) - Writer (written by) , producer
    A Piece of the Action (12 January 1968) - Writer (teleplay)
    Bread and Circuses (15 March 1968) - Writer (written by) , producer
    Spock's Brain (20 September 1968) - Writer (written by) (as Lee Cronin)
    Spectre of the Gun (25 October 1968) - Writer (written by) (as Lee Cronin)
    Wink of an Eye (29 November 1968) - Writer (story) (as Lee Cronin)
    Let That Be Your Last Battlefield (10 January 1969) - Writer (story) (as Lee Cronin)

Actually, I'm good with this idea.
 
2013-11-12 02:54:59 PM  
I was a huge Star Trek fan growing up. I saw Star Trek (new one) in theaters and both enjoyed and hated it. I didn't want to go to a movie that made me rant on the internet because I had just finished going through my personal inventory and came up wanting. I finally saw the new one this weekend had the exact same thought. I don't care about these versions of the characters (other than Scotty) since none of them even hint at the original hippy source material (other than Scotty). They're just a bunch of cardboard cutouts of hot people flying around an Ikea kitchen demo set with some asshole on a flashlight standing on the side.

So when I see people nerd raging I don't make fun of them... I know the strange form of rage, despair, shame and fear going on and it's not going to get any better.
 
2013-11-12 02:56:45 PM  

Mugato: Bacontastesgood: Wavered about not seeing it for a bit, then I heard how they re-hashed the Khan story.  Give me a farking break.

Not exactly a re-hash of the Khan story. That would be impossible, since the Khan story spans 15 years and its main themes are Kirk and Spock's long time friendship And Khan's long time desire for revenge. Obviously STID couldn't have any of that because Kirk never met Khan and Kirk and Spock don't even like each other. But they shoe horned it in anyway.

It was more along of the lines of, you know those Scary/Date/Disaster Movies where the whole joke is, "remember this scene from that better movie? That's the the joke!"? That's what the majority of STID was. That and the cool shot of the Enterprise under water for some reason that wasn't explained.


bbbut.... Spock is, and has always been, your friend. You nailed it, there's little or no history and friendship for me to care about. Are we supposed to sad because this new version of a character we like is dying? We hardly know this guy.
 
2013-11-12 02:58:59 PM  
maybe they can get Robert Beltran to play something useless.
 
2013-11-12 03:01:56 PM  

xkenny13: Spectre of the Gun (25 October 1968) - Writer (written by) (as Lee Cronin)


Which I'm convinced was one of the influences for The Matrix (if you get shot in the simulated world, you die in real life, they have to convince themselves that it's not real).
 
2013-11-12 03:05:23 PM  
I liked both of the new movies and eagerly anticipate liking the third.
 
2013-11-12 03:06:59 PM  
Mugato:  And Khan's long time desire for revenge.

This sentence brings me to my first and foremost wish for the next Star Trek movie: Don't make it about revenge this time. The last four Star Trek movies were about revenge (and in the one before that, we had Picard seeking revenge for what the Borg did to him), and you inevitably get the impression the writers put it in because "The Wrath of Khan" was about revenge and everybody liked it back then. In the newer scripts they often even fail to give the villain a proper reason for revenge. Any idea that can be summarized with "so this guy is pissed at Kirk/Spock/Starfleet/Earth" should be considered crap.
 
2013-11-12 03:07:28 PM  

Klopfer: Sadly, Gene Coon passed away, but I'd be glad if Star Trek would get another writer like him.


A dead Gene Coon could come up with a better script than a living Lindehof.  At least give him a shot.

Mugato: There were some poorly written episodes in the 30+ seasons and 11 movies in the history of Star Trek so the writing in the new films are above reproach.


See, you're learning.  Any criticism of new Trek in any way, shape, or form is unacceptable.  Somehow, criticizing it in any way gets one labelled as a old Trek fanboy, even if you didn't even mention old Trek, and were commenting on Abram's work as something that should be able to stand on its own.
 
2013-11-12 03:11:43 PM  
loved ST:2009.  Loved Into Darkness.  Hope the third one doesn't suffer from budget cuts.

/screw you guys, nu-trek is great.
 
2013-11-12 03:16:06 PM  

Klopfer: The last four Star Trek movies were about revenge


And Generations wasn't about revenge exactly but still featured a pissed off crazy guy.
 
2013-11-12 03:18:26 PM  
I've never heard anyone joke about J.J. Abrams and lens flare.  It's so novel, it's hilarious!
 
2013-11-12 03:20:00 PM  

Mugato: Klopfer: The last four Star Trek movies were about revenge

And Generations wasn't about revenge exactly but still featured a pissed off crazy guy.


I think the central issue here is that Star Trek doesn't do that well in a feature film format.  When Trek thrives, it thrives as a TV series, where you have time to develop characters and relationships over seasons, rather than a few hours.

Let's hope they bring it back to TV at some point.  That's the only hope of ever having Trek be anything like it used to be.
 
2013-11-12 03:24:27 PM  
"I've heard from a number of folks who dismissed STID entirely simply because they couldn't get  sense of the picture's pulse from the promos."

This is the most doucebagiest comment I've ever read in my life
 
2013-11-12 03:25:39 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Oh hell, let's just do what we always do. Hijack some old Trek scripts and hold the Trekkies attention hostage. Yeah? Good!
 
2013-11-12 03:27:03 PM  

Skwrl: I've never heard anyone joke about J.J. Abrams and lens flare.  It's so novel, it's hilarious!


It wasn't a joke.  It was a demand.
 
2013-11-12 03:31:24 PM  

buntz: "I've heard from a number of folks who dismissed STID entirely simply because they couldn't get  sense of the picture's pulse from the promos."

This is the most doucebagiest comment I've ever read in my life


Sounds like something a marketing weasel would say.
 
2013-11-12 03:36:01 PM  
I vote they put the Voth in the 3rd film.
 
2013-11-12 03:53:08 PM  

Mugato: Klopfer: The last four Star Trek movies were about revenge

And Generations wasn't about revenge exactly but still featured a pissed off crazy guy.


Hmm...might it be that since 2001 pissed off crazy guys doing very bad things to nice places in the name of revenge could be on the consciousness of writers and the public? I mean what could the people of the United States possibly be pissed off about since September of 2001? What could they possibly be afraid of since the 11th of September 2001?

Khan at least was a very sympathetic character.
 
2013-11-12 04:05:21 PM  

Sybarite: SpdrJay: Well they won't need CGI spaceships any more since now the characters can just beam immediately to wherever they want in the universe.


No, you see further research will show that because of [long stream of technobabble] transwarp teleportation is actually far too dangerous and unreliable for Starfleet to actually utilize it. Khan only survived his trip because of nigh-invulnerable plot armor.


Actually Khan just transported to a nearby ship, which then warped to the Klingon Homeworld. You would know that if you read the novelization of the comic that was based on a short story that was loosely based on the movie that was the basis for the novel that the movie was based on.
 
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