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(Yahoo)   More and more Android users are switching to iPhone because it's a clearly superior product and most remaining Android users are dorks with whom no one cool wants to associate anyway   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 244
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2013-11-12 12:42:55 PM
When faced with a contract renewals offering a $0 out of pocket Android phone, or a $200 iPhone, people chose the Android. Now a 4S is $0, and a 5C is $99 on contract, which levels the playing field.

It also helps Apple that Android tablets have lousy app support, so if you're buying an iPad, why not be consistent with an iPhone?
 
2013-11-12 12:53:22 PM

Gig103: When faced with a contract renewals offering a $0 out of pocket Android phone, or a $200 iPhone, people chose the Android. Now a 4S is $0, and a 5C is $99 on contract, which levels the playing field.

It also helps Apple that Android tablets have lousy app support, so if you're buying an iPad, why not be consistent with an iPhone?


iPhone was the gateway drug to my iPad.  I couldn't care less what OS my phone has, but I don't want to be without my iPad.
 
2013-11-12 12:55:33 PM
Oh no!  Now I have to buy an iPhone and start wearing a beret!
 
2013-11-12 01:00:08 PM
My consumer product is better than your consumer product and I will defend my brand until death!
 
2013-11-12 01:00:37 PM
My sister claimed up and down for two years that Android was far superior to the iPhone.

Then she got one.

Guess what she thinks now?

Come on, take a guess!

If you said she still thought Android was superior, you would be wrong.
 
2013-11-12 01:01:53 PM

James!: My consumer product is better than your consumer product and I will defend my brand until death!


Tech "news" is no better than anyone else... This is easier than actual reporting or, heaven forbid, saying nothing at all.
 
2013-11-12 01:13:29 PM
Whatever side you're on, you'll get over it
 
2013-11-12 01:16:00 PM

www.lekki.fr

It makes phone calls and is immortal.
 
2013-11-12 01:19:52 PM

Gig103: When faced with a contract renewals offering a $0 out of pocket Android phone, or a $200 iPhone, people chose the Android. Now a 4S is $0, and a 5C is $99 on contract, which levels the playing field.

It also helps Apple that Android tablets have lousy app support, so if you're buying an iPad, why not be consistent with an iPhone?


That's just it.  If you're in Apple's ecosystem, it doesn't make make sense to mix-and-match.  Apps download both locations.  iCloud works seamlessly.  Apple TV slots into the equation.  And now the user is considering a MacBook that'll start humping the other three devices when it gets in the room with them.

I'm not judging one platform over the other- you can do some of the same things in the gmail/google world cheaper and with only slightly more effort.  But it definitely makes sense to stick to an ecosystem.
 
2013-11-12 01:23:49 PM

unyon: Gig103: When faced with a contract renewals offering a $0 out of pocket Android phone, or a $200 iPhone, people chose the Android. Now a 4S is $0, and a 5C is $99 on contract, which levels the playing field.

It also helps Apple that Android tablets have lousy app support, so if you're buying an iPad, why not be consistent with an iPhone?

That's just it.  If you're in Apple's ecosystem, it doesn't make make sense to mix-and-match.  Apps download both locations.  iCloud works seamlessly.  Apple TV slots into the equation.  And now the user is considering a MacBook that'll start humping the other three devices when it gets in the room with them.

I'm not judging one platform over the other- you can do some of the same things in the gmail/google world cheaper and with only slightly more effort.  But it definitely makes sense to stick to an ecosystem.


Pretty much why I stick with Android, because I'm pretty much reliant on the google ecosystem. Only problem with android is that how you do things varies from phone to phone (or could be differing android versions).
 
2013-11-12 01:29:42 PM
Let me know when I can activate an iPhone without installing iTunes on my computer first. Until then, Apple can suck my balls. After that, Apple can still suck my balls.
 
2013-11-12 01:32:18 PM
Cue the benchmark charts!
 
2013-11-12 01:33:30 PM

Lando Lincoln: Let me know when I can activate an iPhone without installing iTunes on my computer first. Until then, Apple can suck my balls. After that, Apple can still suck my balls.


Or alternatively let us both know when iTunes isn't the worst possible choice for a media browser in the history of time itself.
 
2013-11-12 01:34:59 PM

Egoy3k: Lando Lincoln: Let me know when I can activate an iPhone without installing iTunes on my computer first. Until then, Apple can suck my balls. After that, Apple can still suck my balls.

Or alternatively let us both know when iTunes isn't the worst possible choice for a media browser in the history of time itself.


It used to be easier to use. Now, not so much.
 
2013-11-12 01:36:47 PM

Lando Lincoln: Let me know when I can activate an iPhone without installing iTunes on my computer first. Until then, Apple can suck my balls. After that, Apple can still suck my balls.


Off topic - I don't use my iPod touch anymore, but all my music is still in iTunes. What media manager do you recommend that can organize my music, including renaming or moving file/folder structure as I change ID3 tag info? I don't know what to switch to.
 
2013-11-12 01:37:29 PM
Dear Apple:

Please suck my balls.

Sincerely,

Marcus
 
2013-11-12 01:38:54 PM
Just switched from my galaxy sii (which ran perfectly until I was convinced to put cyanogen mod on it, and now it's stuck in a power reboot loop because sii has a defective power button, and I don't feel like paying $50 to ship it off and fix it) to Apple 5c. I loved my windows phone Nokia lumia 710. But there were no apps. I hate apple hype, but I got a free 5c from t mobile , so I tried it out. I like that's it pretty much everything I love about windows phone (the interface, speed, and stability) and android (the specific apps i use). It feels like having the best of both worlds and the battery life is better than both my windows phone and droid combined. But lack of customization really sucks. I guess I'm stuck with the same keyboard and background for life. But I was with the windows phone, too.
 
2013-11-12 01:41:10 PM
The big gains from switching to an iPhone:
- Better camera.  Even though the specs on my phone's camera are better than my wife's iPhone 4S, the 4S takes much better photos in "typical" scenarios
- More apps
- Better battery life.  Probably the biggest complaint I hear about from Android users.

I still rock an Android phone, and will continue to into the future.  It may surprise some people, but not everyone has the same needs for their phones.  Figure out what you want in a phone, and then look for the phone that best suits your needs and wants.
 
2013-11-12 01:41:18 PM
I can't see tying myself to iTunes. Kindle Fire HD and my android phone work great, so why introduce new bloatware to the equation?
 
2013-11-12 01:41:59 PM
I still find the iphone too small.
 
2013-11-12 01:42:02 PM

James!: [www.lekki.fr image 661x661]It makes phone calls and is immortal.


My dad still has one of those for a backup.
 
2013-11-12 01:42:02 PM

cman: My sister claimed up and down for two years that Android was far superior to the iPhone.

Then she got one.

Guess what she thinks now?

Come on, take a guess!

If you said she still thought Android was superior, you would be wrong.


She thinks her brother is retarded.
 
2013-11-12 01:42:59 PM
I guess this means more Android phones for me. And more used iphones to pick up on ebay for my wife. Meh. Our two year old phones are fine.
 
2013-11-12 01:43:03 PM

Gig103: Off topic - I don't use my iPod touch anymore, but all my music is still in iTunes. What media manager do you recommend that can organize my music, including renaming or moving file/folder structure as I change ID3 tag info? I don't know what to switch to.


How about you *GASP* do it by hand!

/meaning in windows explorer
//or Finder
///or whatever the genaric browsing thing in Linux is called.
 
2013-11-12 01:44:33 PM
That's all very nice, but it means nothing unless they also tell us how many people switched the other way.  This could easily be a steady-state thing or even a losing game for Apple from what TFA tells us.

In fact, the last option seems likely since the net trend mentioned in TFA was that relatively few people are switching to the 5c/5s from other brands overall.
 
2013-11-12 01:44:55 PM
My Galaxy S3 rules.  phark iPhones.  phark iTunes.  phark propriatary shiat.  I like plugging my galaxy into my PC via USB and just browsing the phone and coping mp3's and flac to the 64 GB micro SD card I installed.  Cause I can.  I can also change batteries all by myself if I want to.
 
2013-11-12 01:45:14 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: Gig103: Off topic - I don't use my iPod touch anymore, but all my music is still in iTunes. What media manager do you recommend that can organize my music, including renaming or moving file/folder structure as I change ID3 tag info? I don't know what to switch to.

How about you *GASP* do it by hand!

/meaning in windows explorer
//or Finder
///or whatever the genaric browsing thing in Linux is called.


Even better, don't steal music. If you rip from CDs or buy music it is usually named correctly.
 
2013-11-12 01:46:27 PM
Hey <b>subby</b> not exactly what the article said, although it could easily be taken that way if you skimmed it or read the headline. Yes 21% of new iPhone users this September came from Android, which is up from 16% of new iPhone users last September. But there were also fewer new iPhone users this year compared to last year. Without those numbers we have no idea if there were actually more switchers this year over last year in actual numbers.
 
2013-11-12 01:47:14 PM
The firm's study is based on polls of 400 new iPhone buyers in the U.S. following Apple's recent launches.

Have to love the spin.  Android-based phones represent 80% of the market globally.
 
2013-11-12 01:47:41 PM
I feel like this discussion is caught in a continual time loop with no Data to help get us out...
 
2013-11-12 01:48:59 PM

dirtyeffinhippie: My Galaxy S3 rules.  phark iPhones.  phark iTunes.  phark propriatary shiat.  I like plugging my galaxy into my PC via USB and just browsing the phone and coping mp3's and flac to the 64 GB micro SD card I installed.  Cause I can.  I can also change batteries all by myself if I want to.


You can browse the iphone too.
 
2013-11-12 01:49:26 PM

dirtyeffinhippie: My Galaxy S3 rules.  phark iPhones.  phark iTunes.  phark propriatary shiat.  I like plugging my galaxy into my PC via USB and just browsing the phone and coping mp3's and flac to the 64 GB micro SD card I installed.  Cause I can.  I can also change batteries all by myself if I want to.


I hate that Android switched to MTP for handling file transfers. It works great if you are on a Windows PC, and the right extensions to get it working in Linux aren't too bad. But it sucks on my Macbook. Found exactly one program to handle MTP on OSX and while it works fine right after being installed, after that whenever the phone is plugged in it goes into a crash/reboot cycle (the program). Of course DoubleTwist and AirTwist are working well for transferring music, playlists, and podcasts over my Wi-Fi network.
 
2013-11-12 01:49:39 PM
Based on 400 people buying iPhones. Not exactly a conclusive set of results.
 
2013-11-12 01:49:41 PM

dirtyeffinhippie: My Galaxy S3 rules.  phark iPhones.  phark iTunes.  phark propriatary shiat.  I like plugging my galaxy into my PC via USB and just browsing the phone and coping mp3's and flac to the 64 GB micro SD card I installed.  Cause I can.  I can also change batteries all by myself if I want to.


When I had my Galaxy S, pulling the battery was a necessity because the phone would lock up so hard, the power button wouldn't work. So far my new Motorola works great. (Yes, I'm a troglodyte who wants a real keyboard on my phone).
 
2013-11-12 01:50:38 PM
Egoy3k: You can browse the iphone too.

Can you browse your micro SD card?  ;)
 
2013-11-12 01:51:19 PM

ShadowLAnCeR: How about you *GASP* do it by hand!


I take that to mean that you do it by hand and thus don't have an iTunes alternative for me. Thanks anyway.
 
2013-11-12 01:51:49 PM
Honestly, the only reason I might consider switching to an iPhone once my current contract is up is that all of my friends have iPhones and like to send group text messages. As the sole Android user, I have to wait until everyone responds to really see who's on the message (I can look manually thanks to my most recent update), and then CC everyone on my replies. It gets to be a real pain in the ass...especially since I can't drop out of message chains.
 
2013-11-12 01:51:58 PM
docs.google.com

docs.google.com

I don't think android phones have much to worry about just yet.
 
2013-11-12 01:52:17 PM
I got an iPhone at work this year, in addition to my SIII. I don't like the iPhone at all. I hate the keyboard; I really miss Swype. I don't like iTunes. It's more difficult to download an app; I don't know my Apple ID, and can't do much without it. For some reason, I HATE not having a back button. The old Blackberry was far better at opening attachements; sometimes I have to forward to my Android to open.

There are some things I like better, such as different vibrate patterns for each contact/task. Battery seems better, but I don't use it much.

If the iPhone were all I had, it'd be ok. But, I'm constantly finding it inferior to my Android. I suspect much of that is because I started with Android, not iOS.
 
2013-11-12 01:53:04 PM

simplicimus: When I had my Galaxy S, pulling the battery was a necessity because the phone would lock up so hard, the power button wouldn't work. So far my new Motorola works great. (Yes, I'm a troglodyte who wants a real keyboard on my phone).


Mine has been pretty stable.  The only time it locks up is after an epic Candy Crush session.
 
2013-11-12 01:54:12 PM

dirtyeffinhippie: Egoy3k: You can browse the iphone too.

Can you browse your micro SD card?  ;)


I can't say that I've ever needed one but no I don't have that option should the need arise.
 
2013-11-12 01:54:55 PM
My phone is better than yours!

/nyah!
 
2013-11-12 01:54:59 PM
This thread will contain nothing but rational and logical discussion and definitely will not surpass 200 comments.
 
2013-11-12 01:55:07 PM

Lando Lincoln: Let me know when I can activate an iPhone without installing iTunes on my computer first. Until then, Apple can suck my balls. After that, Apple can still suck my balls.


You can activate without iTunes for a while now
 
2013-11-12 01:55:18 PM

stewbert: I got an iPhone at work this year, in addition to my SIII. I don't like the iPhone at all. I hate the keyboard; I really miss Swype. I don't like iTunes. It's more difficult to download an app; I don't know my Apple ID, and can't do much without it. For some reason, I HATE not having a back button. The old Blackberry was far better at opening attachements; sometimes I have to forward to my Android to open.

There are some things I like better, such as different vibrate patterns for each contact/task. Battery seems better, but I don't use it much.

If the iPhone were all I had, it'd be ok. But, I'm constantly finding it inferior to my Android. I suspect much of that is because I started with Android, not iOS.


Oh so much this with opening files. My answer machine messages on my work phone come through as .wavs which make it useless for my iphone they issued me.
 
2013-11-12 01:55:38 PM
Let me explain the bias of the article which is tantamount outright shading the truth, but even the article states it.

The bad news is that fewer new iPhone buyers in the United States this year came from other platforms, resulting in a smaller percentage of new business for Apple. "Ideally, Apple attracts a significant percent of its customers from Android and other systems," CIRP partner and co-founder Mike Levin said. "At the most recent launch, though, Apple saw an increase in the share of customers that already had an iPhone."

So fewer Iphone users in the US, that is because Apple added other markets that only had Android and Windows phones so naturally in those markets users were switching to try something they never had before.  Not in the US markets. So not an Apples to Apples comparison.

And if I buy a new iphone when having previously owned one.  That is not an increase in market share.

So an accurate comparison would be to compare the markets last year that had the iphone to the same markets this year.  The increase comes from China and other markets, not the markets that already had the phone.  Paid for study...

I work for ATT and we see many more people switching to Android from  Iphone than the other way around.
 
2013-11-12 01:55:39 PM

Carth: [docs.google.com image 600x371]

[docs.google.com image 600x371]

I don't think android phones have much to worry about just yet.


That's retarded. How many companies make android phones? Ok, now how many companies make apple phones? I don't understand the need for constant comparison.
 
2013-11-12 01:55:52 PM
I wonder if part of this is build quality and premium materials becoming more important. Most Android phones feel like cheap toys, with the possible exception of a good screen. Apple phones just feel solid and well made, there are only a couple Android phones that feel anywhere close to what the iPhones feel like in terms of build quality. It could also be that people want the smaller screen. My wife is only considering an iPhone because the decent Android phones are too big.

/Use android.
//Want a 4.3" screen, have a 4.7".
 
2013-11-12 01:55:54 PM

Lando Lincoln: Let me know when I can activate an iPhone without installing iTunes on my computer first. Until then, Apple can suck my balls. After that, Apple can still suck my balls.


Exactly.  My BB 9000 keyboard is acting funny and won't respond so I need to order a new phone.  Check out the i5 vs S3 reviews.  Samsung will out perform the iPhone in nearly every category, especially the ones that count, but none of the reviewers will have the balls to say it's better.

"Choosing between an iPhone 5 and Samsung Galaxy S3 is a tough decision and - unlike some of the comparisons we do - there's no clear overall winner. For those less interested in the tech, the iPhone 5 is much easier to use, easier to hold and is more robust. However, tech fans may well find the Samsung Galaxy S3 easier, thanks to its relative open-ness, micro-SD card slot and lack of restrictions.

For games, the iPhone 5 wins, as it does for its camera, by a whisker. However, the Samsung Galaxy S3 is a much better media player, with much greater codec support and more flexibility as to how it can bung video over to a television.

If money is an issue, though, the Samsung Galaxy S3 takes the lead, with at least £120 savings to be made."  trusted reviews...

\Especially if you're interested in bunging video somewhere...
 
2013-11-12 01:57:08 PM
I'm gathering you can't crack open an iPhone?
 
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