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(NBC News)   The first hypothetical polls are in, and Chris Christie is already in front with three voter groups. Fark: seniors, white people, and the rich. TotalFark: GOP primary voters already hate him   (firstread.nbcnews.com) divider line 124
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2013-11-12 10:56:00 AM  
Well, this worked perfectly for President Rmoney, so surely, Christie will enjoy similar success.  The unskewed polls guy told me so, so it must be true.
 
2013-11-12 11:05:18 AM  
Wait, Christie is NOW the sweetheart of the GOP?!   Ted Cruz is out, then?   I honestly can't keep up.
 
2013-11-12 11:18:51 AM  
They'll never nominate Christie. He's sane.
 
2013-11-12 11:41:22 AM  
If he runs for POTUS, he's got my vote.
 
2013-11-12 11:51:35 AM  

queezyweezel: If he runs for POTUS, he's got my vote.


It would depend on who the other side runs, but I'm not instantly opposed to voting for Christie, as I would be for, say, Cruz.
 
2013-11-12 12:18:25 PM  

Shostie: queezyweezel: If he runs for POTUS, he's got my vote.

It would depend on who the other side runs, but I'm not instantly opposed to voting for Christie, as I would be for, say, Cruz.


If they nominate Cruz I will be taking a leave of absence so I can campaign full time for the person running against him. If they nominate Christie I will vote my conscience.
 
2013-11-12 12:28:03 PM  

Shostie: queezyweezel: If he runs for POTUS, he's got my vote.

It would depend on who the other side runs, but I'm not instantly opposed to voting for Christie, as I would be for, say, Cruz.


Possible Democratic contenders:

Hillary (of course)
Biden (of course)
Howard Dean
Martin O'Malley (seen The Wire? Carcetti was largely based on him)
Mark Warner
And many more.
 
2013-11-12 12:31:14 PM  

Blues_X: They'll never nominate Christie. He's sane.


It's not that he's sane, it's that he appeals to moderate NE republicans and that's it. If it comes down to Christie vs. Warren for the presidency, it could be that the conservative types may sit the entire election out.

Shostie: It would depend on who the other side runs, but I'm not instantly opposed to voting for Christie, as I would be for, say, Cruz.


Warren. She'll be the only liberal voice that has a shot at winning the nom. Hillary will get screwed over by both the GOP and the Democratic electorate who are becoming far more liberal than what the Clintons are comfortable with courting.

I'd be more interested who'd be the VP for both parties. I imagine if Christie gets the nom, then he'll pick some red-blooded 'Murican to balance out his moderate-ness. Warren would go for someone with foreign policy experience who may have military experience. Tammy Duckworth?(sp?)
 
2013-11-12 12:33:34 PM  
Sid_6.7: Shostie: queezyweezel: If he runs for POTUS, he's got my vote.

It would depend on who the other side runs, but I'm not instantly opposed to voting for Christie, as I would be for, say, Cruz.

Possible Democratic contenders:

Hillary (of course) (eh....maybe)
Biden (of course)  (....nah, I don't think he's got the standing to go for the big seat)
Howard Dean (great fundraiser and party chair, but I don't think he'll go for another run...maybe as VP)
Martin O'Malley (seen The Wire? Carcetti was largely based on him)
Mark Warner (don't know either of them)
And many more.

Toss in Warren for Democrats and Scott Brown for Republicans

.....oh man, I'd love to see a Brown/Warren debate on the national level
 
2013-11-12 12:35:38 PM  
He better start driving a pick 'em up truck ASAFP.
 
2013-11-12 12:38:11 PM  
www.dependablerenegade.com

Donuts hate him.
 
2013-11-12 12:55:37 PM  

somedude210: Biden (of course)  (....nah, I don't think he's got the standing to go for the big seat)


Two strikes against him:

1. Way too anti-gun, and with a proven track record of it (he authored the original failed AWB), for even the blue dog Democrats to vote for him.  He'd lose the rural vote to a large degree, and he won't be able to make up the deficit in new urban voters like Obama did.

2.  He's the Dan Quayle of the Democrats.  He says stupid things.  *VERY* stupid things.  It's all cool when you're the vice president, when it's your job to make the president look competent.  It's different when you're the guy applying for the job.
 
2013-11-12 12:56:21 PM  
whatyearisit.info

Is it even 2015 yet? No?
 
2013-11-12 01:03:00 PM  
Well good, the GOP has been ignoring those groups for too long.
 
2013-11-12 01:05:53 PM  
Why isn't john Kerry ever apart of these conversations?

The dude is an honest to goodness statesman and being Sec of State gives him great foreign policy chops.
 
2013-11-12 01:07:39 PM  

raerae1980: Wait, Christie is NOW the sweetheart of the GOP?!   Ted Cruz is out, then?   I honestly can't keep up.


Christie is the sweetheart - for the three primary voters who don't have their heads in their asses.  Otherwise, it's ABC - Anyone But Christie - in the lead.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and make an play for the Political Wizard Hat of Foresight (ultra rare):

Democratic Side

Expected Hillary campaign scares off all other potentials, except for Biden.  Biden quickly bows out and endorses Hillary after she sweeps the three early primary states.

Dem VP Short list:  Elizabeth Warren, Brian Schwietzer, Russ Feingold, Jay Nixon (dark horse)
Final Dem Ticket:  Clinton/Feingold


Republican Side
Primary starts off with:
 Christie, Rand Paul, Perry, Cruz, Steve King, Rubio, and Palin (w/Trump as valet)
Primary Final 3:  Christie, Paul, and Cruz.  Just like 2012, Christie and Paul unofficially team up to help Cruz derp himself to death.  GOP brass promptly repays Paul by giving him a token item on the platform, then buries him faster than HHH after watching Daniel Bryan win the WWE belt.

GOP VP short list:  Scott Walker, John Kasich, Susana Martinez, Rick Scott, Cruz, Darrel Issa.  Epic, very public fight ensues as party brass fights TP to exert control over who the VP is going to be.
Final GOP ticket:  Christie/Kasich


/bookmarks this thread
//see if I'm even partially right in 3 years
 
2013-11-12 01:08:20 PM  

Blues_X: They'll never nominate Christie. He's sane.


The Huntsman Bar™ strikes again. Not constantly telling people that Jesus scrubs CO2 out of the atmosphere and that the Supreme Court is one vote away from Sharia law equals a sane Republican.

That issue notwithstanding, he's also a hateful asshole who doesn't like gays or teachers. I wouldn't bet against Governor Cartman in the primaries.
 
2013-11-12 01:13:57 PM  
My prediction is the Gorblax party will run Forn the Puller of Teeth against the Human League's Kathy Johannes who is an 8 year old girl.  It will be close, but I'm putting my money on Forn stripping the flesh from her bones in the Great Dome which will sit where the Lincoln Monument used to be.
 
2013-11-12 01:20:19 PM  
down 10 points to Hillary already.  Obviously he isn't moderate enough.

/Ted Cruz FTW
 
2013-11-12 01:22:29 PM  
It would possibly make those god awful GOP debates possibly more entertaining.  I lived and worked in NJ for a few years and Christie looks like he could go total Jersey on someone if they pissed him off enough.  I would love to see Rick Santorum going on and on about whatever and the moderator turns to Christie for a rebuttal and he goes, "Yeah, everything that guy just said is bullshat.  Thank you".
 
2013-11-12 01:23:32 PM  
This will end one of two ways: Christie tries to stay around the middle, so he doesn't get through the teabagger-dominated GOP primary process, or he starts herping and derping to appeal to them and that spoils his appeal to everyone who isn't a teabagger.

In short, it does look like Romney '12 all over again.
 
2013-11-12 01:32:17 PM  

sammyk: Why isn't john Kerry ever apart of these conversations?

The dude is an honest to goodness statesman and being Sec of State gives him great foreign policy chops.


Zero charisma. He puts people to sleep when he talks.
 
2013-11-12 01:32:42 PM  
I say we start the debates right away!
 
2013-11-12 01:39:49 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: raerae1980: Wait, Christie is NOW the sweetheart of the GOP?!   Ted Cruz is out, then?   I honestly can't keep up.

Christie is the sweetheart - for the three primary voters who don't have their heads in their asses.  Otherwise, it's ABC - Anyone But Christie - in the lead.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and make an play for the Political Wizard Hat of Foresight (ultra rare):

Democratic Side
Expected Hillary campaign scares off all other potentials, except for Biden.  Biden quickly bows out and endorses Hillary after she sweeps the three early primary states.

Dem VP Short list:  Elizabeth Warren, Brian Schwietzer, Russ Feingold, Jay Nixon (dark horse)
Final Dem Ticket:  Clinton/Feingold


Republican Side
Primary starts off with:  Christie, Rand Paul, Perry, Cruz, Steve King, Rubio, and Palin (w/Trump as valet)
Primary Final 3:  Christie, Paul, and Cruz.  Just like 2012, Christie and Paul unofficially team up to help Cruz derp himself to death.  GOP brass promptly repays Paul by giving him a token item on the platform, then buries him faster than HHH after watching Daniel Bryan win the WWE belt.

GOP VP short list:  Scott Walker, John Kasich, Susana Martinez, Rick Scott, Cruz, Darrel Issa.  Epic, very public fight ensues as party brass fights TP to exert control over who the VP is going to be.
Final GOP ticket:  Christie/Kasich


/bookmarks this thread
//see if I'm even partially right in 3 years


You might be right on the Democrat side but I think you are way off on the Republican side.

Ryan/Rubio
 
2013-11-12 01:41:36 PM  

jake_lex: This will end one of two ways: Christie tries to stay around the middle, so he doesn't get through the teabagger-dominated GOP primary process, or he starts herping and derping to appeal to them and that spoils his appeal to everyone who isn't a teabagger.

In short, it does look like Romney '12 all over again.


Well, to be fair, Romney was also hurt by (maybe even more than the "flip flopping") the "Rich Aristocrat" aura about him.... which Christie certainly doesn't have, I think he has much more "everyman" approachable qualities, like Clinton and Bush had at times (the "Here's a guy I'd have a beer with" factor).     Whether Christie has the fortitude to go derp though the primaries, I'm not sure he has it like Romney did.    I agree, if he does, he'll doom himself again with that "middle 20%" of the general election voters that might lean towards Christie if he shows he isn't going down the GOP derp line items.
 
2013-11-12 01:41:36 PM  

mediablitz: sammyk: Why isn't john Kerry ever apart of these conversations?

The dude is an honest to goodness statesman and being Sec of State gives him great foreign policy chops.

Zero charisma. He puts people to sleep when he talks.


There's also the small matter that he's already lost a presidential election.
 
2013-11-12 01:47:41 PM  

Cagey B: mediablitz: sammyk: Why isn't john Kerry ever apart of these conversations?

The dude is an honest to goodness statesman and being Sec of State gives him great foreign policy chops.

Zero charisma. He puts people to sleep when he talks.

There's also the small matter that he's already lost a presidential election.


Nixon lost once too.
 
2013-11-12 01:48:49 PM  

mrshowrules: Grand_Moff_Joseph: raerae1980: Wait, Christie is NOW the sweetheart of the GOP?!   Ted Cruz is out, then?   I honestly can't keep up.

Christie is the sweetheart - for the three primary voters who don't have their heads in their asses.  Otherwise, it's ABC - Anyone But Christie - in the lead.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and make an play for the Political Wizard Hat of Foresight (ultra rare):

Democratic Side
Expected Hillary campaign scares off all other potentials, except for Biden.  Biden quickly bows out and endorses Hillary after she sweeps the three early primary states.

Dem VP Short list:  Elizabeth Warren, Brian Schwietzer, Russ Feingold, Jay Nixon (dark horse)
Final Dem Ticket:  Clinton/Feingold


Republican Side
Primary starts off with:  Christie, Rand Paul, Perry, Cruz, Steve King, Rubio, and Palin (w/Trump as valet)
Primary Final 3:  Christie, Paul, and Cruz.  Just like 2012, Christie and Paul unofficially team up to help Cruz derp himself to death.  GOP brass promptly repays Paul by giving him a token item on the platform, then buries him faster than HHH after watching Daniel Bryan win the WWE belt.

GOP VP short list:  Scott Walker, John Kasich, Susana Martinez, Rick Scott, Cruz, Darrel Issa.  Epic, very public fight ensues as party brass fights TP to exert control over who the VP is going to be.
Final GOP ticket:  Christie/Kasich


/bookmarks this thread
//see if I'm even partially right in 3 years

You might be right on the Democrat side but I think you are way off on the Republican side.

Ryan/Rubio


Hmm...a fairly bold pick.  I can see that happening too...kind of remote in my mind, but I can't discount it either.

We need a magic 8 ball here, lol.  :D
 
2013-11-12 01:50:45 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Ryan/Rubio

Hmm...a fairly bold pick.  I can see that happening too...kind of remote in my mind, but I can't discount it either.

We need a magic 8 ball here, lol.  :D


Plus you left out Sir Frothy
 
2013-11-12 01:50:48 PM  

dletter: jake_lex: This will end one of two ways: Christie tries to stay around the middle, so he doesn't get through the teabagger-dominated GOP primary process, or he starts herping and derping to appeal to them and that spoils his appeal to everyone who isn't a teabagger.

In short, it does look like Romney '12 all over again.

Well, to be fair, Romney was also hurt by (maybe even more than the "flip flopping") the "Rich Aristocrat" aura about him.... which Christie certainly doesn't have, I think he has much more "everyman" approachable qualities, like Clinton and Bush had at times (the "Here's a guy I'd have a beer with" factor).     Whether Christie has the fortitude to go derp though the primaries, I'm not sure he has it like Romney did.    I agree, if he does, he'll doom himself again with that "middle 20%" of the general election voters that might lean towards Christie if he shows he isn't going down the GOP derp line items.


Christie's problem, to put it in wrestling terms, is he can't "sell" going derp.  He might want to try it, but it'll come across as forced as it really is for him.

Frankly, Christie could actually pick up street cred with indies if he tried to go derp, then pulled a 180 and threw the TP under the bus by going 110% establishment GOP
 
2013-11-12 01:52:34 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Nixon lost once too.


Nixon was an evil genius. John Kerry is best known for being on the receiving end of the whole Swift Boat thing. Sorry, Senator Richie McHorseface had his chance.
 
2013-11-12 01:52:44 PM  

mrshowrules: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Ryan/Rubio

Hmm...a fairly bold pick.  I can see that happening too...kind of remote in my mind, but I can't discount it either.

We need a magic 8 ball here, lol.  :D

Plus you left out Sir Frothy


I dunno, I think he takes a pass on this one.  If he couldn't out derp Romney, he'll never do it with the monies GOP going full throttle to stop him.
 
2013-11-12 01:56:33 PM  

Blues_X: They'll never nominate Christie. He's sane

too liberal to make it through the primaries. He hugged... HUGGED... a black man and said nice things about him helping NJ after Sandy. Then, with defeat pretty much guaranteed, he dropped an appeal preventing gay marriage in NJ. Finally, he put a woman on the state Supreme Court.

Nope, that will never do as long as the Teabaggers are running the show.
 
2013-11-12 01:59:44 PM  

sammyk: If they nominate Christie I will vote my conscience.


Just remember:

Unemployment: New Jersey's unemployment rate is 8.5 percent, considerably higher than the national rate of 7.3 percent, making the state 41st in the nation.


Job creation: New Jersey ranks 44th in job growth during Christie's governorship.

Credit rating: Three major credit agencies have cut the state's credit rating since Christie became governor, making it costlier to borrow money.

Economic growth: In 2011, New Jersey was just one of seven U.S. states whose economy shrank. The state ranked 47th in terms of GDP growth.

Taxes: New Jersey is tied for 50th in the Tax Foundation's annual report, which ranks which states have the most business-friendly (translation: lowest) taxes.  Plus, the tax burden grew by 18.6 percent for the average family under Christie.

Home prices and foreclosures: Mortgage delinquencies have increased 2.8 percent since Christie took over, the highest of any state in the nation. Plus, home prices are down 6.7 percent in that time, putting New Jersey in the bottom quarter of all states.

Poverty: Although this statistic may not resonate with Republican primary voters, the poverty rate in New Jersey has reached a 52-year high, with 24.7 percent of the state below the poverty level.

Not to mention slashing education budgets and chickening out on his own ban of .50 cal sniper rifles.
 
2013-11-12 02:00:55 PM  
Well, he did flip on Tony Soprano.
 
2013-11-12 02:01:28 PM  
FTA: Yes, it's early. And yes, 2008 taught us that the early front-runners (Clinton and Giuliani) don't always end up as the presidential nominees.

So it's probably bullshait but we've got a page to fill.
 
2013-11-12 02:01:59 PM  

Witty_Retort: Poverty: Although this statistic may not resonate with Republican primary voters, the poverty rate in New Jersey has reached a 52-year high, with 24.7 percent of the state below the poverty level.


Not to defend Christie, but I wonder how much of that poverty is driven by folks who live in NJ, but commute to NYC for under-salaried or hourly jobs?
 
2013-11-12 02:02:31 PM  

Cagey B: Blues_X: They'll never nominate Christie. He's sane.

The Huntsman Bar™ strikes again. Not constantly telling people that Jesus scrubs CO2 out of the atmosphere and that the Supreme Court is one vote away from Sharia law equals a sane Republican.

That issue notwithstanding, he's also a hateful asshole who doesn't like gays or teachers. I wouldn't bet against Governor Cartman in the primaries.


He also has that lingering Tea-Party issue where Rand Paul and Rick Perry are on his ass about taking hurricane Sandy money from a negro.
 
2013-11-12 02:05:29 PM  

raerae1980: Wait, Christie is NOW the sweetheart of the GOP?!   Ted Cruz is out, then?   I honestly can't keep up.


Who is Ted Cruz??
 
2013-11-12 02:07:40 PM  
He will be the GOP nominee, they don't have any other credible candidates and the money is already lining up behind him.
 
2013-11-12 02:07:57 PM  
If you ever want to see a real example of "elite, east coast" media bias, you'll never get a better example than the propping up Christie as the 2016 front runner for the GOP nomination.    These are people very far removed from the pulse of "real murica".    The moment Christie took pictures smoking and hugging Obama, he was done for.

And before anyone "but ... but ... but Romoney".

a)  Romney never lavished Obama with praise or played moderate leading up to the primaries.    He gave one of the biggest DERP-filled speaches of the 2008 GOP Convention and ran hard right for 3 years in preparation of the primary.

b) The environment in which Romney got the nomination will be nothing like the 2016 environment.  Romney got the nomination by default against the d-list field.   Rick Perry was apparently hopped up on goofballs,   Newt hadn't been politically relevant in a decade, and the last time Sanatorium was in an election he was was losing historically as an incumbent Senator running for re-election by a -16% margin.   Cruz, Rand and Rubio might not be intellectual giants, but they've currently active politicians who have won recent elections and can get booked on a network Sunday Morning News show without the producers laughing and hanging up in their face.
 
2013-11-12 02:08:31 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: raerae1980: Wait, Christie is NOW the sweetheart of the GOP?!   Ted Cruz is out, then?   I honestly can't keep up.

Christie is the sweetheart - for the three primary voters who don't have their heads in their asses.  Otherwise, it's ABC - Anyone But Christie - in the lead.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and make an play for the Political Wizard Hat of Foresight (ultra rare):

Democratic Side
Expected Hillary campaign scares off all other potentials, except for Biden.  Biden quickly bows out and endorses Hillary after she sweeps the three early primary states.

Dem VP Short list:  Elizabeth Warren, Brian Schwietzer, Russ Feingold, Jay Nixon (dark horse)
Final Dem Ticket:  Clinton/Feingold


Republican Side
Primary starts off with:  Christie, Rand Paul, Perry, Cruz, Steve King, Rubio, and Palin (w/Trump as valet)
Primary Final 3:  Christie, Paul, and Cruz.  Just like 2012, Christie and Paul unofficially team up to help Cruz derp himself to death.  GOP brass promptly repays Paul by giving him a token item on the platform, then buries him faster than HHH after watching Daniel Bryan win the WWE belt.

GOP VP short list:  Scott Walker, John Kasich, Susana Martinez, Rick Scott, Cruz, Darrel Issa.  Epic, very public fight ensues as party brass fights TP to exert control over who the VP is going to be.
Final GOP ticket:  Christie/Kasich


/bookmarks this thread
//see if I'm even partially right in 3 years


Interesting to speculate.  Scott Walker is someone to keep an eye on (for worse or worse).  But I think Ted Cruz will be dunzo by then.  I think he's dunzo already.
 
2013-11-12 02:08:46 PM  

dittybopper: somedude210: Biden (of course)  (....nah, I don't think he's got the standing to go for the big seat)

Two strikes against him:

1. Way too anti-gun, and with a proven track record of it (he authored the original failed AWB), for even the blue dog Democrats to vote for him.  He'd lose the rural vote to a large degree, and he won't be able to make up the deficit in new urban voters like Obama did.

2.  He's the Dan Quayle of the Democrats.  He says stupid things.  *VERY* stupid things.  It's all cool when you're the vice president, when it's your job to make the president look competent.  It's different when you're the guy applying for the job.


He also says a lot of very smart things. Although that is almost as bad as saying stupid things to most people.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Witty_Retort: Poverty: Although this statistic may not resonate with Republican primary voters, the poverty rate in New Jersey has reached a 52-year high, with 24.7 percent of the state below the poverty level.

Not to defend Christie, but I wonder how much of that poverty is driven by folks who live in NJ, but commute to NYC for under-salaried or hourly jobs?


Probably quite a bit, but they also get the huge benefit of overly inflated property values and large salaries from being close to NYC.
 
2013-11-12 02:09:19 PM  

monoski: He also has that lingering Tea-Party issue where Rand Paul and Rick Perry are on his ass about taking hurricane Sandy money from a negro.


Didn't Rick Perry spend time groveling for federal money to help fight the Texas forest fires some time back? I don't think Christie will let him play the Sandy card for a second.
 
2013-11-12 02:10:22 PM  

Donnchadha: Is it even 2015 yet? No?


Seems everyone thinks this is going to be a lame duck administration.
 
2013-11-12 02:10:44 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Interesting to speculate.  Scott Walker is someone to keep an eye on (for worse or worse).  But I think Ted Cruz will be dunzo by then.  I think he's dunzo already.


Cruz is by far the most popular person in the GOP by people who actually show up and vote at GOP Primaries.
 
2013-11-12 02:11:58 PM  

Donnchadha: [whatyearisit.info image 480x360]

Is it even 2015 yet? No?


I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps the republicans are planning to deal with the next 3 years of Obama presidency by pretending it's the end of 2016 already, and the R candidate is OF COURSE going to win.
 
2013-11-12 02:12:03 PM  
Generic Republican FTW.
 
2013-11-12 02:12:29 PM  

somedude210: and the Democratic electorate who are becoming far more liberal than what the Clintons are comfortable with courting.


LOOK, that word doesnt mean what you think it means.
PLUS, the winner of the election has been the candidate who can get the CENTER VOTES not the extreme votes. That has been true for at least 12 years now. (Or whoever can steal the right states)
 
2013-11-12 02:13:37 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: He will be the GOP nominee, they don't have any other credible candidates and the money is already lining up behind him.


Since when has that been an issue for the GOP base?
 
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