doglover: Mentalpatient87: I know of a guy who decided to blow off his head when he heard the sirens coming, instead of continuing to try to burn down his ex's house.He also could have said "fark, outta time." and shot the ex instead of burning the house down.No accounting for crazy.
Mentalpatient87: guestguy: Thingster: Exactly, they would have come up sirens blaring while brandishing weapons.Somehow I doubt that would be their approach when they have a mentally unstable, hostage-holding suspect...I know of a guy who decided to blow off his head when he heard the sirens coming, instead of continuing to try to burn down his ex's house. So, your doubt is a little misplaced. When responding to a call of "this guy dressed down in combat fatigues is pouring gas all over this house," sirens blaring seemed to be SOP.
meyerkev: CDC says 1.5 Million defensive gun uses.
bucket_pup: And not single Fark was given that day for the deceased.
Molavian: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.
guestguy: but I would have a lot more faith in the cops doing what's right in that situation than a bunch of emotionally charged vigilantes.
nocturnal001: Facetious_Speciest: Obviously, it's generally a bad thing to kick in a door and shoot someone, but I think there's the occasional exception...I had assumed this would be the all to common "excessive force guy kills somebody and wingnuts rush to defend gun rights" deal but this seems pretty legit.Maybe stupid of them not to have given the tip to the police though, but I can't blame them. Now if they had broken in the door and shot him without an imminent threat to the woman's life, then that might be a problem.
guestguy: redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The third party was in the same area as the family and the police. Somehow the family found out first. The police showed up second.Take your pick: incompetent or lazyBecause the family wouldn't be searching the exact same spot as the cops, that would be stupid. It sounds like a parallel effort trying to cover as much ground as possible, and the family happened to stumble onto a tip first.The family spread out between the area by the car and near the kidnapper's home with police. The cops were near the kidnapper's home after they had given up searching the area around the car with bloodhounds and interviewing the people in the area.So I will go with incompetence.This article is much more thorough:http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20131109/NEWS01/311090023/Maybe I'm missing it (please point it out if I am), but I don't see anything in that article indicating that police had given up on the area where the family members got the tip. It says that police and family/friends were searching both areas on Friday.Also: "When Thomas heard family members enter the house, she said, he began stabbing her."So the guy only started stabbing when he heard the family members storming the house. At that point, they sure as shiat had every right to shoot the guy, but it does sound like their not-so-delicate entry was the impetus for the violence towards the girl. Reckless.
redmid17: Violent crime and murders are clustered in very small areas.
Mentalpatient87: guestguy: but I would have a lot more faith in the cops doing what's right in that situation than a bunch of emotionally charged vigilantes.Doesn't really matter, you said you doubted they would do what I told you they actually did. Is your doubt gone?
Theaetetus: What makes you so sure of this? The kid is 2 years old, and she only got the protective order in June. He could've become abusive after the kid's birth. With no evidence either way, you're sure jumping quickly to the conclusion that she was to blame.
redmid17: Even if the police were in the area, someone how they still didn't info. The guy stabbing her also hadn't given her any food or water in over 2 days.
guestguy: redmid17: Even if the police were in the area, someone how they still didn't info. The guy stabbing her also hadn't given her any food or water in over 2 days.Because it would be stupid for the police and family to knock on the exact same doors...they were spreading out and covering different areas in parallel from the sound of it. And yes, she was hungry and dehydrated, but she wasn't stabbed until the family stormed the place.
Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: Vertdang: Good for all involved. Solid work family.If I faced that same situation, where one of my girls was taken from me, not the cops, not the abductor, not even GOD HIMSELF could stop me from getting them back.[cl.jroo.me image 551x414]
Luse: Except the cops would have done the same thing when they heard her screams. Unless of course they decided to surround the house and announce their presence.Then Stabby LaStabberson could have finished her off in peace while they waited for a hostage negotiator.
guestguy: Yep, the training that they put cops through to handle situations like that is mostly for show. When push comes to shove, they're really no better than untrained civilians...amirite?
Mentalpatient87: guestguy: Yep, the training that they put cops through to handle situations like that is mostly for show. When push comes to shove, they're really no better than untrained civilians...amirite?You really wanna open that can of worms on Fark, home of the weekly police abuse thread?
Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.
Facetious_Speciest: justtrayRead it.
ferretman: Another thread where dems/libs will imply that 'Stand Your Ground' law was involved in the Zimmerman/Martin incident.
stevetherobot: Hobodeluxe: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.no one wants to take your gun. we just want to try to keep them out of the crazy people's hands. sure we might not stop all of them but we should at least make it more difficult don't you think?Speaking of crazy persons, if the crazy person kidnapper had had a gun, he would have shot her instead of stabbing her and she would most likely be dead now.
Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: [annanimmity.com image 360x206]
Witty_Retort: ferretman: Another thread where dems/libs will imply that 'Stand Your Ground' law was involved in the Zimmerman/Martin incident.Other than changing the jury instructions to make
Facetious_Speciest: justtrayBrass tacks:The fact remains that no, the CDC does NOT say there are 500k+ DGU per year. That was a lie on your part.This is not true. At all.I even went so far to provide you a link that explains in detail why those numbers are made up and have no place in reality.I'll trust the CDC's information over "Professor Propaganda."Your link did not even provide the numbers you said it did, and I had to find the link myself to the actual report.You can't link to the report, can you?
Facetious_Speciest: Obviously, it's generally a bad thing to kick in a door and shoot someone, but I think there's the occasional exception...
Big_Fat_Liar: Much as we tend to prefer a guilty person to walk rather than have an innocent person hang, there are many people around, and Fark is certainly no exception, that would be quite happy to completely outlaw all gun ownership and have the occassional innoent fatality rather than have individuals able to do things they'd like to see government solely in control of.
MythDragon: If I am even in that situation, I've had lots of practice[static.taigame.org image 800x600]Now where, exactly, do I even *get* a bunch of horsemen?
give me doughnuts: MythDragon: If I am even in that situation, I've had lots of practice[static.taigame.org image 800x600]Now where, exactly, do I even *get* a bunch of horsemen?Cavalry are useless in storming a castle. You need sappers, archers, and seige-engines.
belhade: MythDragon: If I am even in that situation, I've had lots of practice[static.taigame.org image 800x600]Now where, exactly, do I even *get* a bunch of horsemen?Where are the siege engines?
Facetious_Speciest: Tired of waiting for "LIAR!" guy.From the CDC report, commissioned by President Obama in the wake of numerous shootings: "Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year..."It's on page 15, last paragraph before the footnotes, under "Defensive Use of Guns." Direct quote. I am literally looking at it right now.This report and its contents in this regard have been acknowledged by such right-wing publications as Slate, Daily Kos, Democratic Underground and PBS.It is not a vast conspiracy. Some people are just idiots.
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