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2013-11-12 03:38:17 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that the dude might have started stabbing the girl because he heard the approaching redneck posse?  I'm extremely glad that they got the bastard and saved the girl, but this whole thing seems incredibly reckless to me...they could have just as easily ended up getting her killed.  Police are trained to deal with situations like this, and that training probably doesn't entail rolling up on a hostage-taker with noisy four-wheelers brandishing weapons.
 
2013-11-12 03:40:39 PM  

Theaetetus: when you don't have an opportunity to blame a woman, right?


I don't know why you guys are even trying to convince Sir Saveabroad. He's not interested in honest discussion, he just wants heathens to oppose so that his armor feels shinier and the Holy Land closer.
 
2013-11-12 03:40:54 PM  
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you're looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money but what I do have are a very particular set of skills. Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that will be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you and I will kill you.


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2013-11-12 03:41:22 PM  

justtray: stevetherobot: Speaking of crazy persons, if the crazy person kidnapper had had a gun, he would have shot her instead of stabbing her and she would most likely be dead now.

Wait, how could he NOT have a gun? I've been told laws against gun ownership don't prevent criminals from getting guns. So he should have had one.

Does not compute.

Recalibrating....

Open Carry is good, because it deters people who would commit crimes around you. Except that deterents don't work because criminals don't obey laws.

Registration is bad because then everyone would know who has a gun, and would target them, except Open Carry is good because above.


I'm sorry to hear about your accident.  I hope your head feels better shortly.
 
2013-11-12 03:42:26 PM  

guestguy: Police are trained to deal with situations like this


And where were they during all this? Oh yeah, given up by nightfall and gone off to fark around.

/when the seconds count...
 
2013-11-12 03:43:22 PM  

guestguy: Has anyone mentioned that the dude might have started stabbing the girl because he heard the approaching redneck posse?  I'm extremely glad that they got the bastard and saved the girl, but this whole thing seems incredibly reckless to me...they could have just as easily ended up getting her killed.  Police are trained to deal with situations like this, and that training probably doesn't entail rolling up on a hostage-taker with noisy four-wheelers brandishing weapons.


The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.
 
2013-11-12 03:43:57 PM  
No need for a new doctrine. Just go with "the man needed killing" and we're good.
 
2013-11-12 03:45:33 PM  

redmid17: guestguy: Has anyone mentioned that the dude might have started stabbing the girl because he heard the approaching redneck posse?  I'm extremely glad that they got the bastard and saved the girl, but this whole thing seems incredibly reckless to me...they could have just as easily ended up getting her killed.  Police are trained to deal with situations like this, and that training probably doesn't entail rolling up on a hostage-taker with noisy four-wheelers brandishing weapons.

The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.


Devil's Advocate here: From the article, they state that a tip led the 'family' to know about a vacant house not far from where the car was found.

At that point, the family made a choice to forego waiting for the police and charged off to save the day and yes, they did just that.

Having said that, would we all be singing this same tune if the attacker had slit the girl's throat upon hearing the 4-wheelers coming in?
 
2013-11-12 03:45:33 PM  

Mentalpatient87: guestguy: Police are trained to deal with situations like this

And where were they during all this? Oh yeah, given up by nightfall and gone off to fark around.

/when the seconds count...


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"On Friday, as police and family members alike searched near Thomas' abandoned car, along with areas near his hometown, witnesses gave the family members a tip about a vacant house in a nearby field where the car was located. "
 
2013-11-12 03:47:13 PM  
If you want something done right, sometimes you have to do it yourself.
 
2013-11-12 03:47:31 PM  

redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.


Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.
 
2013-11-12 03:48:51 PM  

guestguy: "On Friday, as police and family members alike searched near Thomas' abandoned car, along with areas near his hometown, witnesses gave the family members a tip about a vacant house in a nearby field where the car was located. "


Ah, got my timeline mixed up there. Still, they were lagging behind.

Infernalist: Having said that, would we all be singing this same tune if the attacker had slit the girl's throat upon hearing the 4-wheelers coming in?


Well, hindsight is 20/20 and we're all critical dicks on this site, so what do you think?
 
2013-11-12 03:49:06 PM  

guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.


So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy
 
2013-11-12 03:49:58 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

no one wants to take your gun. we just want to try to keep them out of the crazy people's hands. sure we might not stop all of them but we should at least make it more difficult don't you think?


Yeah, nobody at all argues the second amendment is obsolete or that we'd be better off with no individual gun ownership like in those more enlightened countries with modern progressive ideas few people have thought of before like having an armed government and disarmed populace.  Nobody wants to limit what you do with your body or interfere with your right to free speech or other civil liberties in any way.  It's just all these conspiracy theorist nuts in groups like the NRA, IJ, or ACLU making it seem that way.  Of course I'm being sarcastic, as cheap a tactic as it is.

Doom MD  is correct.  Much as we tend to prefer a guilty person to walk rather than have an innocent person hang, there are many people around, and Fark is certainly no exception, that would be quite happy to completely outlaw all gun ownership and have the occassional innoent fatality rather than have individuals able to do things they'd like to see government solely in control of.  Why deny the obvious?  You know those people who protest against partial birth abortion?  No matter what they say in public, a good number of them want to ban ALL abortion.
 
2013-11-12 03:51:01 PM  

redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.

So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy


From the article, it states that a third party gave a tip to family members who rushed off without the police.

I fail to see how the police are to blame for the family's irresponsible actions.
 
2013-11-12 03:53:57 PM  

redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.

So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy


They were helping out by looking/asking around in one area while the cops were looking/asking around in another from the sounds of it.  That it happened to be the family which stumbled upon the tip doesn't make the police incompetent or lazy in this case.  It does strike me as reckless that the family charged in there themselves instead of notifying the police though.
 
2013-11-12 03:54:06 PM  

Infernalist: redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.

So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy

From the article, it states that a third party gave a tip to family members who rushed off without the police.

I fail to see how the police are to blame for the family's irresponsible actions.


The third party was in the same area as the family and the police. Somehow the family found out first. The police showed up second.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy
 
2013-11-12 03:54:16 PM  
As someone who is a gun control advocate (whatever that means), I say: good for them.  It looked like the police were royally farking up the search (and probably didn't give a damn anyway), so they saved her life.  That's appropriate firearm usage.
 
2013-11-12 03:55:10 PM  
So there was "a vacant house in a nearby field where the car was located" and this escaped the attention of the police how? That's the sort of question I'd be asking, if I ran the zoo.
 
2013-11-12 03:55:13 PM  

redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.

So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy


Or one of those neighborhoods that just don't talk to police.

/I don't the area, but just sayin' a possibility
 
2013-11-12 03:56:36 PM  

guestguy: Has anyone mentioned that the dude might have started stabbing the girl because he heard the approaching redneck posse?  I'm extremely glad that they got the bastard and saved the girl, but this whole thing seems incredibly reckless to me...they could have just as easily ended up getting her killed.  Police are trained to deal with situations like this, and that training probably doesn't entail rolling up on a hostage-taker with noisy four-wheelers brandishing weapons.


Exactly, they would have come up sirens blaring while brandishing weapons.
 
2013-11-12 03:56:49 PM  

redmid17: Infernalist: redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.

So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy

From the article, it states that a third party gave a tip to family members who rushed off without the police.

I fail to see how the police are to blame for the family's irresponsible actions.

The third party was in the same area as the family and the police. Somehow the family found out first. The police showed up second.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy


iirc, the article said that the police called off their search for the day because it got dark.
 
2013-11-12 03:57:15 PM  
meyerkev:
90 million gun owners didn't murder anyone last year.
800K of them used their guns defensively last year.


Approximately 1 in 100 Americans who own a gun use it defensively, EVERY YEAR?  What kind of Mad Max bullshiat wasteland has the US turned into?

I'd like to see a citation for the 800,000 people defending themselves yearly with a gun.
 
2013-11-12 03:57:49 PM  

lack of warmth: redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.

So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy

Or one of those neighborhoods that just don't talk to police.

/I don't the area, but just sayin' a possibility


Always a possibility but I doubt the neighbors would hesitate to narc on a serial domestic abuser who kidnapped his mother'd child at knifepoint
 
2013-11-12 04:01:11 PM  

Thingster: Exactly, they would have come up sirens blaring while brandishing weapons.


Somehow I doubt that would be their approach when they have a mentally unstable, hostage-holding suspect...
 
2013-11-12 04:02:35 PM  

redmid17: lack of warmth: redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.

So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy

Or one of those neighborhoods that just don't talk to police.

/I don't the area, but just sayin' a possibility

Always a possibility but I doubt the neighbors would hesitate to narc on a serial domestic abuser who kidnapped his mother'd child at knifepoint


So, you think they wouldn't hesitate to inform on a repeat offender with violent tendencies on the loose.

Well, that's certainly 'one' opinion.
 
2013-11-12 04:02:44 PM  
HuffPost Headline:
Bethany Arceneaux, Kidnapping Victim, Rescued By Family Members Who Killed Her Captor: Cops

Wait, what? Who is cops? Why are they hanging out near my colon?
 
2013-11-12 04:04:02 PM  

redmid17: The third party was in the same area as the family and the police. Somehow the family found out first. The police showed up second.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy


Because the family wouldn't be searching the exact same spot as the cops, that would be stupid.  It sounds like a parallel effort trying to cover as much ground as possible, and the family happened to stumble onto a tip first.
 
2013-11-12 04:05:05 PM  

Whiskey Dickens: meyerkev:
90 million gun owners didn't murder anyone last year.
800K of them used their guns defensively last year.

Approximately 1 in 100 Americans who own a gun use it defensively, EVERY YEAR?  What kind of Mad Max bullshiat wasteland has the US turned into?

I'd like to see a citation for the 800,000 people defending themselves yearly with a gun.


He said he made up the numbers. But then, the whole post was pretty much nothing but those numbers and attempted support for them. So, basically what he said was "here's a bunch of shiat you don't need to read because I have nothing to say."
 
2013-11-12 04:06:11 PM  

Publikwerks: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

There is a time and a place for guns. This was one of them.

But, not every occasion calls for armed intervention.


It's better to have a gun and not need it than need a gun and not have it.
 
2013-11-12 04:06:23 PM  

guestguy: redmid17: The third party was in the same area as the family and the police. Somehow the family found out first. The police showed up second.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy

Because the family wouldn't be searching the exact same spot as the cops, that would be stupid.  It sounds like a parallel effort trying to cover as much ground as possible, and the family happened to stumble onto a tip first.


The family spread out between the area by the car and near the kidnapper's home with police. The cops were near the kidnapper's home after they had given up searching the area around the car with bloodhounds and interviewing the people in the area.

So I will go with incompetence.

This article is much more thorough:

http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20131109/NEWS01/311090023/
 
2013-11-12 04:07:37 PM  

guestguy: Thingster: Exactly, they would have come up sirens blaring while brandishing weapons.

Somehow I doubt that would be their approach when they have a mentally unstable, hostage-holding suspect...


I know of a guy who decided to blow off his head when he heard the sirens coming, instead of continuing to try to burn down his ex's house. So, your doubt is a little misplaced. When responding to a call of "this guy dressed down in combat fatigues is pouring gas all over this house," sirens blaring seemed to be SOP.
 
2013-11-12 04:08:22 PM  

redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The third party was in the same area as the family and the police. Somehow the family found out first. The police showed up second.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy

Because the family wouldn't be searching the exact same spot as the cops, that would be stupid.  It sounds like a parallel effort trying to cover as much ground as possible, and the family happened to stumble onto a tip first.

The family spread out between the area by the car and near the kidnapper's home with police. The cops were near the kidnapper's home after they had given up searching the area around the car with bloodhounds and interviewing the people in the area.

So I will go with incompetence.

This article is much more thorough:

http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20131109/NEWS01/311090023/


Yep.  It sounds like the cops were searching, noticed an abandoned house near where she was last seen and basically said "eh, that would require us to cross the road and walk a bit through a forest."
 
2013-11-12 04:08:45 PM  
800,000 defensive uses of firearms isn't terribly far off. Depending on the study, the number is anywhere from 500,000 to 3,000,000.

/per the CDC
 
2013-11-12 04:09:11 PM  
Breaking down the door is so gauche, I prefer the stealthy approach myself

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-12 04:09:15 PM  

Whiskey Dickens: meyerkev:
90 million gun owners didn't murder anyone last year.
800K of them used their guns defensively last year.

Approximately 1 in 100 Americans who own a gun use it defensively, EVERY YEAR?  What kind of Mad Max bullshiat wasteland has the US turned into?

I'd like to see a citation for the 800,000 people defending themselves yearly with a gun.


http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

CDC says 1.5 Million defensive gun uses.  Most studies say 800K to 2.5 Million.  Mind you, I'd love to see how they're defining "defensive gun uses" (ie: "saying I have a gun" vs. "shooting that mentally ill guy who just pulled a knife").

And of course, there's a difference between DGU's and people using guns defensively.

/And have you SEEN the inner cities? 99% of America is safe, the other 1% is crazy Mad Max.
//I remember hearing that if you removed 4 cities, America had the lowest violent crime rate of any first world country.  I want to say they were Camden, Oakland, Newark, and Chicago, but really don't quote me on that because I'm almost certainly wrong.
 
2013-11-12 04:09:47 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

If the kidnapper hadn't had a firearm, she wouldn't have been kidnapped.

Try again.


Where in TFA does it say the kidnapper had a firearm?
 
2013-11-12 04:10:50 PM  

dpaul007: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

You: use of firearms required in all cases ranging from jaywalking to shoplifting.
Your imagined adversaries: we're coming to your house to take your guns while shouting OBAMA AKBAR.

The rest of us use reason and logic.


Ive seen very little reason and logic on the gun grabber side, as your straw-man argument above shows.
 
2013-11-12 04:10:59 PM  
If I am even in that situation, I've had lots of practice
static.taigame.org

Now where, exactly, do I even *get* a bunch of horsemen?
 
2013-11-12 04:11:55 PM  

Mentalpatient87: Whiskey Dickens: meyerkev:
90 million gun owners didn't murder anyone last year.
800K of them used their guns defensively last year.

Approximately 1 in 100 Americans who own a gun use it defensively, EVERY YEAR?  What kind of Mad Max bullshiat wasteland has the US turned into?

I'd like to see a citation for the 800,000 people defending themselves yearly with a gun.

He said he made up the numbers. But then, the whole post was pretty much nothing but those numbers and attempted support for them. So, basically what he said was "here's a bunch of shiat you don't need to read because I have nothing to say."


Look at the crime and self defense section. There are a bunch of linked studies. Basically the most conservative estimate and one the VPC endorses says around 100K defensive gun uses a year. The highest I've seen is 2.4 million
 
2013-11-12 04:12:25 PM  

redmid17: lack of warmth: redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.

So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy

Or one of those neighborhoods that just don't talk to police.

/I don't the area, but just sayin' a possibility

Always a possibility but I doubt the neighbors would hesitate to narc on a serial domestic abuser who kidnapped his mother'd child at knifepoint


Have you been to Detroit?  Or Flint for that matter?  A week or so ago, a domestic violence call was made, the cops showed up to find a rolling pin and a broken plate in the driveway.  No one would talk to them, so they shrugged and left.  They'll investigate further once a body shows up.  Domestic violence isn't called on very often, yet it happens often.  My locksmith cousin makes his money from rekeying cars for used car dealerships and changing the locks for battered women.  He said some of the battered women are repeat customers, and they only called him and not the cops.
 
2013-11-12 04:13:21 PM  

redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.

So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy


Or a prevailing attitude of "snitches get stitches."
 
2013-11-12 04:15:23 PM  

meyerkev: Whiskey Dickens: meyerkev:
90 million gun owners didn't murder anyone last year.
800K of them used their guns defensively last year.

Approximately 1 in 100 Americans who own a gun use it defensively, EVERY YEAR?  What kind of Mad Max bullshiat wasteland has the US turned into?

I'd like to see a citation for the 800,000 people defending themselves yearly with a gun.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

CDC says 1.5 Million defensive gun uses.  Most studies say 800K to 2.5 Million.  Mind you, I'd love to see how they're defining "defensive gun uses" (ie: "saying I have a gun" vs. "shooting that mentally ill guy who just pulled a knife").

And of course, there's a difference between DGU's and people using guns defensively.

/And have you SEEN the inner cities? 99% of America is safe, the other 1% is crazy Mad Max.
//I remember hearing that if you removed 4 cities, America had the lowest violent crime rate of any first world country.  I want to say they were Camden, Oakland, Newark, and Chicago, but really don't quote me on that because I'm almost certainly wrong.


That last "remove 4 cities" stat is pretty debunked, but your overarching point is pretty spot on. Violent crime and murders are clustered in very small areas.
 
2013-11-12 04:15:26 PM  

redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The third party was in the same area as the family and the police. Somehow the family found out first. The police showed up second.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy

Because the family wouldn't be searching the exact same spot as the cops, that would be stupid.  It sounds like a parallel effort trying to cover as much ground as possible, and the family happened to stumble onto a tip first.

The family spread out between the area by the car and near the kidnapper's home with police. The cops were near the kidnapper's home after they had given up searching the area around the car with bloodhounds and interviewing the people in the area.

So I will go with incompetence.

This article is much more thorough:

http://www.theadvertiser.com/article/20131109/NEWS01/311090023/



Maybe I'm missing it (please point it out if I am), but I don't see anything in that article indicating that police had given up on the area where the family members got the tip.  It says that police and family/friends were searching both areas on Friday.

Also:  "When Thomas heard family members enter the house, she said, he began stabbing her."
So the guy only started stabbing when he heard the family members storming the house.  At that point, they sure as shiat had every right to shoot the guy, but it does sound like their not-so-delicate entry was the impetus for the violence towards the girl.  Reckless.
 
2013-11-12 04:15:54 PM  

Mentalpatient87: I know of a guy who decided to blow off his head when he heard the sirens coming, instead of continuing to try to burn down his ex's house.


He also could have said "fark, outta time." and shot the ex instead of burning the house down.

No accounting for crazy.
 
2013-11-12 04:18:28 PM  

Infernalist: redmid17: guestguy: Has anyone mentioned that the dude might have started stabbing the girl because he heard the approaching redneck posse?  I'm extremely glad that they got the bastard and saved the girl, but this whole thing seems incredibly reckless to me...they could have just as easily ended up getting her killed.  Police are trained to deal with situations like this, and that training probably doesn't entail rolling up on a hostage-taker with noisy four-wheelers brandishing weapons.

The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Devil's Advocate here: From the article, they state that a tip led the 'family' to know about a vacant house not far from where the car was found.

At that point, the family made a choice to forego waiting for the police and charged off to save the day and yes, they did just that.

Having said that, would we all be singing this same tune if the attacker had slit the girl's throat upon hearing the 4-wheelers coming in?


No, we'd be mourning her loss, as most humans would have done.

You see, the perp had already shown his willingness to hurt/main/kill her by his previous actions and by *kidnapping* her. I seriously doubt anyone that screwed-up would have listened to reason and let her go. She was in danger of being killed the moment he kidnapped her.
 
2013-11-12 04:18:37 PM  

Whiskey Dickens: meyerkev:
90 million gun owners didn't murder anyone last year.
800K of them used their guns defensively last year.

Approximately 1 in 100 Americans who own a gun use it defensively, EVERY YEAR?  What kind of Mad Max bullshiat wasteland has the US turned into?

I'd like to see a citation for the 800,000 people defending themselves yearly with a gun.


You can't, because it's imaginary.

There's only 1.2m violent crimes in the US each year. (It was a little lower than this last year)

His number assumes 66% of all violent crimes are defended by a gun successfully(?) every year.

It's an obvious lie to anyone with more than a single brain cell. The ways these fake numbers are obtained is by selective bias, lying by the people they choose, exaggeration as to what counts as a defensive gun use, and horribly inaccurate extrapolation. The moment you look at the method behind any of these gun nut "studies" you realize they're nothing more than desperate ficiton.
 
2013-11-12 04:18:47 PM  

MythDragon: If I am even in that situation, I've had lots of practice
[static.taigame.org image 800x600]

Now where, exactly, do I even *get* a bunch of horsemen?


Cavalry are useless in storming a castle. You need sappers, archers, and seige-engines.
 
2013-11-12 04:20:11 PM  

lack of warmth: redmid17: lack of warmth: redmid17: guestguy: redmid17: The police were also too lazy or incompetent to find her.

Ah, I see.  And you of course have facts to back that up and aren't at all extracting that statement from your sphincter.

So the family members managed to get helpful clues from his neighbors and people in the vicinity of where he abandoned his car. The police did not.

Take your pick: incompetent or lazy

Or one of those neighborhoods that just don't talk to police.

/I don't the area, but just sayin' a possibility

Always a possibility but I doubt the neighbors would hesitate to narc on a serial domestic abuser who kidnapped his mother'd child at knifepoint

Have you been to Detroit?  Or Flint for that matter?  A week or so ago, a domestic violence call was made, the cops showed up to find a rolling pin and a broken plate in the driveway.  No one would talk to them, so they shrugged and left.  They'll investigate further once a body shows up.  Domestic violence isn't called on very often, yet it happens often.  My locksmith cousin makes his money from rekeying cars for used car dealerships and changing the locks for battered women.  He said some of the battered women are repeat customers, and they only called him and not the cops.


I haven't been to Detroit  in 2-3 years but considering the budget cuts to the PD and the Fark links trying to get a police officer to show up to a break in it doesn't surprise me. That said a kidnapping in progress is probably going to get more attention, and those people aren't in Detroit.
 
2013-11-12 04:20:39 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: 800,000 defensive uses of firearms isn't terribly far off. Depending on the study, the number is anywhere from 500,000 to 3,000,000.

/per the CDC


No, they aren't. And again no, not per the CDC.

Please stop lying. Thanks.
 
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