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2013-11-12 02:18:53 PM

ZeroCorpse: ZeroCorpse: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

If the kidnapper hadn't had a firearm, she wouldn't have been kidnapped.

Try again.

Yes. I know he didn't have a gun. But I like f♥cking with you types anyway.


You do realize that deliberately being stupid still makes you stupid, right?
 
2013-11-12 02:19:17 PM

rnatalie: I'd storm the castle for her.


That's what I'm saying.
 
2013-11-12 02:19:26 PM
I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.
 
2013-11-12 02:19:33 PM
Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...


Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.
 
2013-11-12 02:23:35 PM

Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.


This is called truth. Getting back together with an abusive person will most likely result in more abuse.
Get off your soapbox.
 
2013-11-12 02:23:52 PM

Hobodeluxe: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

no one wants to take your gun. we just want to try to keep them out of the crazy people's hands. sure we might not stop all of them but we should at least make it more difficult don't you think?


Speaking of crazy persons, if the crazy person kidnapper had had a gun, he would have shot her instead of stabbing her and she would most likely be dead now.
 
2013-11-12 02:25:15 PM

durbnpoisn: There are two opposing things that stand out in this story.
1.  Why didn't the cops try harder to find this woman?  Is it because she's not a hot young white chick?  (Cue every Fark thread that ever pointed that out.)  It didn't take very long for the family to organize a posse that ended the crisis pretty much instantly.
2.  I cannot believe that there are no charges filed considering that the vigilante mob was a bunch of non-white people.  This may be the first time in history that justice actually worked out.


She's young, hot, and...oh.
 
2013-11-12 02:26:18 PM

Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.


I'm guessing that in the past she had left him and gone back to him at least once, before this incident occurred. They had a child together, I'm pretty sure she was aware of his abusive nature before that happened.
 
2013-11-12 02:31:03 PM

Bastard_Lunatic: if they had told the cops then girl would have been shot too


And the dog,
 
2013-11-12 02:31:24 PM

Molavian: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you let my daughter go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.


By releasing the Kraken?
 
2013-11-12 02:31:45 PM

Luse: Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.

This is called truth. Getting back together with an abusive person will most likely result in more abuse.
Get off your soapbox.


He could also have talked about how well peanut butter and jelly go together. That's truth too. It's likewise irrelevant to what happened.
 
2013-11-12 02:33:00 PM

ZeroCorpse: If the kidnapper hadn't had a firearm, she wouldn't have been kidnapped.

Try again.


I've yet to see one single story that says he was armed with a firearm.
 
2013-11-12 02:33:40 PM
Hey modmins. Quit drinking for breakfast. This is a repeat
 
2013-11-12 02:34:35 PM

stevetherobot: Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.

I'm guessing that in the past she had left him and gone back to him at least once, before this incident occurred. They had a child together, I'm pretty sure she was aware of his abusive nature before that happened.


What makes you so sure of this? The kid is 2 years old, and she only got the protective order in June. He could've become abusive after the kid's birth. With no evidence either way, you're sure jumping quickly to the conclusion that she was to blame.
 
2013-11-12 02:35:17 PM

Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.

This is called truth. Getting back together with an abusive person will most likely result in more abuse.
Get off your soapbox.

He could also have talked about how well peanut butter and jelly go together. That's truth too. It's likewise irrelevant to what happened.


Read the article. This was not the first time he has done something like this. You are either retarded, a troll, or a retarded troll.

/the answer is always C
 
2013-11-12 02:36:49 PM

nocturnal001: Facetious_Speciest: Obviously, it's generally a bad thing to kick in a door and shoot someone, but I think there's the occasional exception...

I had assumed this would be the all to common "excessive force guy kills somebody and wingnuts rush to defend gun rights" deal but this seems pretty legit.

Maybe stupid of them not to have given the tip to the police though, but I can't blame them.  Now if they had broken in the door and shot him without an imminent threat to the woman's life, then that might be a problem.


All gun rights people are Red Wing fans?  I didn't know all of them even watched hockey.
 
2013-11-12 02:37:13 PM

stevetherobot: Hobodeluxe: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

no one wants to take your gun. we just want to try to keep them out of the crazy people's hands. sure we might not stop all of them but we should at least make it more difficult don't you think?

Speaking of crazy persons, if the crazy person kidnapper had had a gun, he would have shot her instead of stabbing her and she would most likely be dead now.


The article makes it sound like he had previously been investigated a/o convicted of domestic abuse. So he was probably already prohibited from owning a firearm, and he didn't have one. So it sounds like the current system worked just fine in this case.
 
2013-11-12 02:37:49 PM

stevetherobot: Speaking of crazy persons, if the crazy person kidnapper had had a gun, he would have shot her instead of stabbing her and she would most likely be dead now.


Wait, how could he NOT have a gun? I've been told laws against gun ownership don't prevent criminals from getting guns. So he should have had one.

Does not compute.

Recalibrating....

Open Carry is good, because it deters people who would commit crimes around you. Except that deterents don't work because criminals don't obey laws.

Registration is bad because then everyone would know who has a gun, and would target them, except Open Carry is good because above.
 
2013-11-12 02:39:02 PM

mediablitz: Sounds justified to me. She was being stabbed. Lethal force was required.


They should have called the police, who would have shown up 2 hours later to collect her body, and shoot the ex-boyfriend themselves.
 
2013-11-12 02:40:54 PM

Vertdang: Good for all involved. Solid work family.

If I faced that same situation, where one of my girls was taken from me, not the cops, not the abductor, not even GOD HIMSELF could stop me from getting them back.


cl.jroo.me
 
2013-11-12 02:42:23 PM
Is this the thread where family members are forced to take action due to incompetent government representatives and we call them monsters for effecting that liberation with a gun?
 
2013-11-12 02:44:50 PM
Or rock the casabah?
 
2013-11-12 02:45:04 PM

stevetherobot: if the crazy person kidnapper had had a gun, he would have shot her instead of stabbing her


If my Aunt had balls...

Fact is that getting a firearm is never difficult for the criminally inclined. The law is setup to hamper those who want to fill out forms and follow the rules.
This guy just happened to like knives and the "He put a knife to my neck countless times" statement seems to back that up.    Maybe that was just his thing so he could make the abuse last longer. Threaten a man with a gun and its five years, threaten them with a knife and you're out before the Judge goes to lunch.

The cops didn't seem to have much interest in holding this guy up before. They stopped woefully short of finding him during this incident.  Which is strange because  He obviously wasn't beyond threatening peoples lives.

If the family didn't find her,They'd be checking trash bins for body parts by now.
 
2013-11-12 02:45:40 PM

AngryDragon: Is this the thread where family members are forced to take action due to incompetent government representatives and we call them monsters for effecting that liberation with a gun?


I don't know, why don't you try reading it?
 
2013-11-12 02:46:37 PM

Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.

This is called truth. Getting back together with an abusive person will most likely result in more abuse.
Get off your soapbox.

He could also have talked about how well peanut butter and jelly go together. That's truth too. It's likewise irrelevant to what happened.

Read the article. This was not the first time he has done something like this.


Read the article. There's absolutely nothing there that says she got back together with him after he had done this previously - in fact, she got a protective order, and he was even arrested for violating it. Which means, by assuming the exact opposite:
You are either retarded, a troll, or a retarded troll.
 
2013-11-12 02:47:20 PM

Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.


This sounds less like "blame the victim" than "here is a lesson to be learned from these horrible events so that hopefully others will not face such a situation."
 
2013-11-12 02:48:46 PM

brimed03: Repeat tag busy? Again?


Again?

I can't wait until this story breaks on Fark tomorrow. Thursday's version should be spectacular too.
 
2013-11-12 02:51:29 PM

Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.

This is called truth. Getting back together with an abusive person will most likely result in more abuse.
Get off your soapbox.

He could also have talked about how well peanut butter and jelly go together. That's truth too. It's likewise irrelevant to what happened.

Read the article. This was not the first time he has done something like this.

Read the article. There's absolutely nothing there that says she got back together with him after he had done this previously - in fact, she got a protective order, and he was even arrested for violating it. Which means, by assuming the exact opposite:
You are either retarded, a troll, or a retarded troll.


Actually, the brother's statement in and of itself says exactly that.
 
2013-11-12 02:52:14 PM

Hobodeluxe: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

no one wants to take your gun. we just want to try to keep them out of the crazy people's hands. sure we might not stop all of them but we should at least make it more difficult don't you think?


Only crazy people use the word "statist."
 
2013-11-12 02:53:42 PM

MythDragon: If they didn't use one of these:
[t2.gstatic.com image 245x205]
Then it was not a lawful castle stormin'.

Send the bastards to jail.


I know, right?! They didn't even burn the house down, salt the earth, OR stick the dude's head on a pike in the front lawn! :-(
 
2013-11-12 02:53:45 PM

Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.

This is called truth. Getting back together with an abusive person will most likely result in more abuse.
Get off your soapbox.

He could also have talked about how well peanut butter and jelly go together. That's truth too. It's likewise irrelevant to what happened.

Read the article. This was not the first time he has done something like this.

Read the article. There's absolutely nothing there that says she got back together with him after he had done this previously - in fact, she got a protective order, and he was even arrested for violating it. Which means, by assuming the exact opposite:
You are either retarded, a troll, or a retarded troll.

Actually, the brother's statement in and of itself says exactly that.

"Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment, and that he felt relieved that "people came out and helped us."


I have yet to find any other abused women in the story, so I am going to have to agree with you here.
 
2013-11-12 02:55:57 PM
macadamnut

Only crazy people use the word "statist."

Well, crazy people and people who study political science. Am I being redundant?
 
2013-11-12 02:56:16 PM

Arnprior Joe: I don't have a problem with this specific case, but I'm eagerly awaiting the hordes going full retard and looking at this as a license to kill.


Jesus could come back, announce a new world of 1,000 years of peace, happiness, and acceptance, and you'd be holding a sign that said "not my god, not my peace"

People like you that just want to shait on every piece of good news that doesn't involve your exact philosophy are what's wrong with the world.
 
2013-11-12 02:56:18 PM

Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.


LET'S CELEBRATE!  Guns for everybody!  Gun for your gun on top of a gun, with a side order of gunslaw!  

This is a once-in-a-decade scenario, doesn't exactly justify an average of nearly 1 gun for every person in your country.
 
2013-11-12 02:58:28 PM

dywed88: Assuming their story is accurate. They were just out there looking and responded to screams, I see no issue with this.

But it should be thoroughly investigated by the police to confirm their story.


Not too thoroughly...

Is there really anyone out there, even the most gungrabbiest gun grabbing authority worshiping passivist whos not ok with the outcome here? No matter what may or may not have actually transpired?
 
2013-11-12 03:03:32 PM

Doom MD: ZeroCorpse: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

If the kidnapper hadn't had a firearm, she wouldn't have been kidnapped.

Try again.

you're right, no way that guy would figure out a way to overpower her and take her away.

Try again.


I really enjoy watching you create a strawman, then whimper away. No boogeyman in this thread for you, so you have to create one.

Confirmation bias is most certainly your friend.

I notice all the "they want to take our guns!!!" idiots are in this thread, wishing their paranoia were true.

Meanwhile, gun control advocates like myself see nothing wrong with this situation. I realize that just drives you crazy. Your willful ignorance requires every gun situation be black and white.

In other words: shut up, idiot.
 
2013-11-12 03:04:37 PM

Reverend J: nocturnal001: Facetious_Speciest: Obviously, it's generally a bad thing to kick in a door and shoot someone, but I think there's the occasional exception...

I had assumed this would be the all to common "excessive force guy kills somebody and wingnuts rush to defend gun rights" deal but this seems pretty legit.

Maybe stupid of them not to have given the tip to the police though, but I can't blame them.  Now if they had broken in the door and shot him without an imminent threat to the woman's life, then that might be a problem.

I think that whoever gave the tip to the family knew that the cops would have most likely done jack and shiat with it. NOLA cops are pretty useless from what I've seen especially since they bailed on the search after the first night.


this happened in lafayette which is a couple hundred miles from new orleans.
 
2013-11-12 03:05:27 PM

Cyno01: dywed88: Assuming their story is accurate. They were just out there looking and responded to screams, I see no issue with this.

But it should be thoroughly investigated by the police to confirm their story.

Not too thoroughly...

Is there really anyone out there, even the most gungrabbiest gun grabbing authority worshiping passivist whos not ok with the outcome here? No matter what may or may not have actually transpired?


In a perfect world, they could have subdued him without killing him, but this isn't a perfect world.

In a perfect world, I would have liked to have seen him sentenced to life in prison for his crimes rather than get the quick and easy way out.

That said, I totally understand how such things would never occur to someone rushing in to save someone's life and you happen to have a gun on hand.

All of that taken into consideration, I'm okay with the outcome.  Not completely satisfied, but more than happy to take the outcome as it happened.
 
2013-11-12 03:05:53 PM

Cyno01: dywed88: Assuming their story is accurate. They were just out there looking and responded to screams, I see no issue with this.

But it should be thoroughly investigated by the police to confirm their story.

Not too thoroughly...

Is there really anyone out there, even the most gungrabbiest gun grabbing authority worshiping passivist whos not ok with the outcome here? No matter what may or may not have actually transpired?


There are several "they want to take our guns!!!" idiot sorely disappointed that no one has found this objectionable.

It totally destroys their strawman. They are actually begging someone to confirm their illusionary views.
 
2013-11-12 03:07:30 PM

Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.

This is called truth. Getting back together with an abusive person will most likely result in more abuse.
Get off your soapbox.

He could also have talked about how well peanut butter and jelly go together. That's truth too. It's likewise irrelevant to what happened.

Read the article. This was not the first time he has done something like this.

Read the article. There's absolutely nothing there that says she got back together with him after he had done this previously - in fact, she got a protective order, and he was even arrested for violating it. Which means, by assuming the exact opposite:
You are either retarded, a troll, or a retarded troll.

Actually, the brother's statement in and of itself says exactly that.


Unless the brother is doing the usual victim blaming. The actual facts that we know of - protective order, arrest, knife-point abduction - say the exact opposite. But hey, going with facts over hearsay only makes sense when you don't have an opportunity to blame a woman, right?
 
2013-11-12 03:14:29 PM
Just a clarification: Anderson Road...that's Duson, not Lafayette. Almost the next Parish. That's like saying something happened in Los Angeles when it actually happened in Hollywood.

/just missed the frog festival this weekend
 
2013-11-12 03:17:04 PM
1.  A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2.  A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3.  A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
 
2013-11-12 03:22:38 PM

Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.

This is called truth. Getting back together with an abusive person will most likely result in more abuse.
Get off your soapbox.

He could also have talked about how well peanut butter and jelly go together. That's truth too. It's likewise irrelevant to what happened.

Read the article. This was not the first time he has done something like this.

Read the article. There's absolutely nothing there that says she got back together with him after he had done this previously - in fact, she got a protective order, and he was even arrested for violating it. Which means, by assuming the exact opposite:
You are either retarded, a troll, or a retarded troll.

Actually, the brother's statement in and of itself says exactly that.

Unless the brother is doing the usual victim blaming. The actual facts that we know of - protective order, arrest, knife-point abduction - say the exact opposite. But hey, going with facts over hearsay only makes sense when you don't have an opportunity to bla ...


Why would the brother even bring that up if it didn't have anything to do with the situation?
 
2013-11-12 03:23:24 PM

Son of Thunder: Again?


She likes kidnapping. Come back and kidnap her again soon! Try the veal.
 
2013-11-12 03:24:58 PM
Done in one, did not read past comment #2.
 
2013-11-12 03:25:14 PM
I have no idea why, but once I read this line:

"A neighborhood resident and another man, along with almost half a dozen members of Arceneaux's family, took off on four-wheelers toward the house. "

Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries started playing in the back of my head.
 
2013-11-12 03:26:31 PM

Whiskey Dickens: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

LET'S CELEBRATE!  Guns for everybody!  Gun for your gun on top of a gun, with a side order of gunslaw!  

This is a once-in-a-decade scenario, doesn't exactly justify an average of nearly 1 gun for every person in your country.


90 million gun owners didn't murder anyone last year.
800K of them used their guns defensively last year.
Why do you want 800K people to get mugged, raped, or murdered every year?

On the other hand, there were ~9K gun murders and ~18K suicides IIRC.
Since gun suicide is more likely to succeed than other forms of suicide, banning guns might prevent say half (I admit that that number is pulled out of my ass).
Of the murders, a little less than 6K were gang-related and 3K weren't.  So assuming that all the gang-related murders would stay murders (might be knife murders though), and that all the non-gang murders went away (won't happen), we could prevent 3K murders.

So if we were able to perfectly eliminate guns (WON'T happen without creepy dystopian state, shredding the 4th amendment even more than we have, and probably a civil war), we could prevent 12K deaths/year, and in exchange, we'd get an additional 800K violent crimes or about an extra 2.5% of the US population every year.  And some of THOSE would be murders.

/Mind you, I admit that I'm pulling these numbers out of my ass, but
 
2013-11-12 03:34:45 PM

meyerkev: Whiskey Dickens: Doom MD: Oh look another innocent life saved by firearms. I guess some of the statists in here would prefer she be stabbed to death.

LET'S CELEBRATE!  Guns for everybody!  Gun for your gun on top of a gun, with a side order of gunslaw!  

This is a once-in-a-decade scenario, doesn't exactly justify an average of nearly 1 gun for every person in your country.

90 million gun owners didn't murder anyone last year.
800K of them used their guns defensively last year.
Why do you want 800K people to get mugged, raped, or murdered every year?

On the other hand, there were ~9K gun murders and ~18K suicides IIRC.
Since gun suicide is more likely to succeed than other forms of suicide, banning guns might prevent say half (I admit that that number is pulled out of my ass).
Of the murders, a little less than 6K were gang-related and 3K weren't.  So assuming that all the gang-related murders would stay murders (might be knife murders though), and that all the non-gang murders went away (won't happen), we could prevent 3K murders.

So if we were able to perfectly eliminate guns (WON'T happen without creepy dystopian state, shredding the 4th amendment even more than we have, and probably a civil war), we could prevent 12K deaths/year, and in exchange, we'd get an additional 800K violent crimes or about an extra 2.5% of the US population every year.  And some of THOSE would be murders.

/Mind you, I admit that I'm pulling these numbers out of my ass, but


You sound like some pinko commie hippy socialist nazi that dun emigratit here from some forren place...
 
2013-11-12 03:35:01 PM

redmid17: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.

This is called truth. Getting back together with an abusive person will most likely result in more abuse.
Get off your soapbox.

He could also have talked about how well peanut butter and jelly go together. That's truth too. It's likewise irrelevant to what happened.

Read the article. This was not the first time he has done something like this.

Read the article. There's absolutely nothing there that says she got back together with him after he had done this previously - in fact, she got a protective order, and he was even arrested for violating it. Which means, by assuming the exact opposite:
You are either retarded, a troll, or a retarded troll.

Actually, the brother's statement in and of itself says exactly that.

Unless the brother is doing the usual victim blaming. The actual facts that we know of - protective order, arrest, knife-point abduction - say the exact opposite. But hey, going with facts over hearsay only makes sense when you don't have an opport ...

Why would the brother even bring that up if it didn't have anything to do with the situation?


Why does it get brought up in every domestic violence situation, even if it doesn't have anything to do with the particular facts? It's the same reason that a woman can get drugged and raped, and some guys will still bring up the "shouldn't have been dressed slutty" trope.
 
2013-11-12 03:37:43 PM

Theaetetus: redmid17: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Luse: Theaetetus: Bethany Arceneaux, 29, was allegedly abducted Wednesday afternoon in Lafayette by her ex-boyfriend Scott Thomas, also 29, and the father to her 2-year-old son, The Daily Advertiser first reports.
A witness to the abduction, Derrimetrie Robinson, said she saw Arceneaux honking her car horn for help in parking lot as Thomas forced his way into her car and attacked her. When Robinson rushed to the scene, Arceneaux begged the woman to take her son, according to the Advertiser.
Robinson managed to grab the 2-year-old boy during the struggle, as Thomas shoved Arceneaux into his car and sped away, she said.
... Another brother of the victim, Harold Carter, told The Daily Advertiser that women need to know that "getting back together" with abusive men will lead to serious detriment...

Wow, even in a case where a woman is attacked and dragged screaming into a car, someone will still jump up to blame the victim. Extra nice that it's her brother, too.

This is called truth. Getting back together with an abusive person will most likely result in more abuse.
Get off your soapbox.

He could also have talked about how well peanut butter and jelly go together. That's truth too. It's likewise irrelevant to what happened.

Read the article. This was not the first time he has done something like this.

Read the article. There's absolutely nothing there that says she got back together with him after he had done this previously - in fact, she got a protective order, and he was even arrested for violating it. Which means, by assuming the exact opposite:
You are either retarded, a troll, or a retarded troll.

Actually, the brother's statement in and of itself says exactly that.

Unless the brother is doing the usual victim blaming. The actual facts that we know of - protective order, arrest, knife-point abduction - say the exact opposite. But hey, going with facts over hearsay only makes sense when you don't have ...


So you have nothing against the probably insight of someone directly related to the victim at hand. Is that what you're saying?
 
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