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2013-11-12 10:01:45 AM
Headline:  SeaWorld challenges whale-trainer contact ban
                Decision is not expected immediately expected


I can't wait! Or won't have to. I don't know.
 
2013-11-12 10:10:30 AM
Who doesn't?
 
2013-11-12 10:11:34 AM
The arguments are going on right now, about 500 feet from me. I could have gone but I had class, damn it :(
 
2013-11-12 10:19:38 AM

Rincewind53: The arguments are going on right now, about 500 feet from me. I could have gone but I had class, damn it :(


And I live across the street from SeaWorld.  I could have gone and fed myself to a whale but I had work, damn it :(

:-)

You should hear the attendants dodge when guests ask them questions about the documentary while in the underwater viewing area for the whales.
 
2013-11-12 10:37:52 AM

Diogenes: Rincewind53: The arguments are going on right now, about 500 feet from me. I could have gone but I had class, damn it :(

And I live across the street from SeaWorld.  I could have gone and fed myself to a whale but I had work, damn it :(

:-)

You should hear the attendants dodge when guests ask them questions about the documentary while in the underwater viewing area for the whales.


Ha! We have the documentary saved on DVR but can't bring ourselves to watch it. Too depressing.
 
2013-11-12 10:42:09 AM

Rincewind53: Diogenes: Rincewind53: The arguments are going on right now, about 500 feet from me. I could have gone but I had class, damn it :(

And I live across the street from SeaWorld.  I could have gone and fed myself to a whale but I had work, damn it :(

:-)

You should hear the attendants dodge when guests ask them questions about the documentary while in the underwater viewing area for the whales.

Ha! We have the documentary saved on DVR but can't bring ourselves to watch it. Too depressing.


I'm thinking I want to wait until my annual pass expires.

Sometimes I just go there for walks.  More interesting people watching.  And I like feeding the seals and sea lions.
 
2013-11-12 11:16:29 AM

Sybarite: Who doesn't?

 
2013-11-12 11:16:49 AM
Om Nom Nom Nom
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2013-11-12 11:17:17 AM
Blubbering about it won't help.
 
2013-11-12 11:18:25 AM
Crucially, the judge sided with OSHA's findings that keeping humans out of the water with killer whales unless there were physical barriers would reduce the risk of serious injury or death.

And keeping busses off the streets will reduce my risk of getting hit by a bus. What's your point, your honor?
 
2013-11-12 11:20:22 AM
Anyone who cages animals for amusement needs to be (garble garble) .. and I mean it.
 
2013-11-12 11:21:24 AM
"Decision is not expected immediately expected"

Is it coming from the RedundancyDepartment of Redundancy?
 
2013-11-12 11:23:41 AM
I say we compromise and feed the Scalia clan to the whales.
 
2013-11-12 11:24:30 AM

Rincewind53: The arguments are going on right now, about 500 feet from me. I could have gone but I had class, damn it :(


Meanwhlie, the courtroom is full of classless plebes?
 
2013-11-12 11:25:32 AM

ChipNASA: Om Nom Nom Nom
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Naaah, that's a balleen whale; no (meaningful) teeth. That, and the kayaker won't make it very far down its throat.

On the other hand, if it was a sperm whale, that kayaker would be saying hello to James Bartley.
 
2013-11-12 11:25:41 AM
The injunction was put in place after the death of veteran trainer Dawn Brancheau in 2010, when Tilikum, the orca she had worked with for years, dragged her into the water and killed her in front of horrified viewers.

This seems like an overreaction. I'm sure it was just a fluke.
 
2013-11-12 11:28:21 AM

Sybarite: Who doesn't?


Jonah.
 
2013-11-12 11:29:22 AM
The whales in these places are treated so poorly, I can't really feel bad when one of them gets revenge. Places like SeaWorld should not exist, period. Fat tourists and their stupid kids can find entertainment elsewhere.
 
2013-11-12 11:31:14 AM
Some animals proably shouldn't be in captivity but killers whales make a few people too much money to just let them go.
 
2013-11-12 11:31:55 AM
Is there a place we can go and we're guaranteed to see a whale eat somebody or our money back? I would go there.
 
2013-11-12 11:37:34 AM
This is pretty much a Dog Bites Man story.
 
2013-11-12 11:37:58 AM
This is what we get for calling them killer whales.  Nobody gets et by a fuzzy-huggy whales, do they?
 
2013-11-12 11:42:54 AM
LarryDan43: So, cruelty to animals is OK as long as there's money in it?
 
2013-11-12 11:48:09 AM

waltb555: LarryDan43: So, cruelty to animals is OK as long as there's money in it?


That's what SeaWorld thinks. Either they get sued into stopping or the public stops paying the entrance fee.
 
2013-11-12 11:50:13 AM
I have the perfect solution for SeaWorld if they lose the case.

cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-11-12 11:50:38 AM
I've never been tempted to swim with KILLER WHALES.

/I wonder why they call them that?
 
2013-11-12 11:51:33 AM
While OSHA serves an important role in holding companies responsible for the safety of employees, a lot of things OSHA does are just stupid.  I feel like an occupation like "Orca Wrangler" is something you choose knowing full-well the risks involved.  A government agency shouldn't be stomping out people's careers just because they're risky.
 
2013-11-12 11:54:39 AM

palelizard: Sybarite: Who doesn't?

Jonah.



Gepetto

Baron Munchausen
 
2013-11-12 12:03:13 PM
Darth Vader is bad, and his assistant is a mouse...


(makes about as much sense as the headline)
 
2013-11-12 12:04:48 PM

DubtodaIll: While OSHA serves an important role in holding companies responsible for the safety of employees, a lot of things OSHA does are just stupid.  I feel like an occupation like "Orca Wrangler" is something you choose knowing full-well the risks involved.  A government agency shouldn't be stomping out people's careers just because they're risky.


Problem is that they are not exclusively "Orca Trainers"
 
2013-11-12 12:13:42 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Crucially, the judge sided with OSHA's findings that keeping humans out of the water with killer whales unless there were physical barriers would reduce the risk of serious injury or death.

And keeping busses off the streets will reduce my risk of getting hit by a bus. What's your point, your honor?


Tell the road workers that they can't put up traffic cones any more.
 
2013-11-12 12:13:43 PM

NutWrench: I've never been tempted to swim with KILLER WHALES.

/I wonder why they call them that?


Mistranslation, actually. They are really a species of dolphin, and their name was originally Whale Killers.
 
2013-11-12 12:14:45 PM

Rincewind53: The arguments are going on right now, about 500 feet from me. I could have gone but I had class, damn it :(


Only the common riffraff go to legal arguments.
 
2013-11-12 12:16:37 PM
Guess he walked in on his parents when he was a kid and it kind of stuck, huh?

/ Window seat please
 
2013-11-12 12:18:30 PM

Lost Thought 00: DubtodaIll: While OSHA serves an important role in holding companies responsible for the safety of employees, a lot of things OSHA does are just stupid.  I feel like an occupation like "Orca Wrangler" is something you choose knowing full-well the risks involved.  A government agency shouldn't be stomping out people's careers just because they're risky.

Problem is that they are not exclusively "Orca Trainers"


If the employees are being forced to do it against their own desires then yeah there's certainly an issue.  It's not clear if that's the case here and I doubt it is.  The deal with OSHA is that they never open an investigation or even visit a site without writing a citation about something.
 
2013-11-12 12:22:56 PM
Anyone interested in this subject should seek out the 2013 documentary Blackfish (< Official Website).
Sea World is a disgusting corporation with a history of neglect for their animals and a blatant disregard for the safety of their employees.
 
2013-11-12 12:27:10 PM

Kome: NutWrench: I've never been tempted to swim with KILLER WHALES.

/I wonder why they call them that?

Mistranslation, actually. They are really a species of dolphin, and their name was originally Whale Killers.


Really?  Cool, I never knew that.  Learned something new today.

/Useless knowledge is best knowledge.
 
2013-11-12 12:27:31 PM
Slimu is still OK, right?

img.fark.net
 
2013-11-12 12:28:35 PM

Last Man on Earth: Kome: NutWrench: I've never been tempted to swim with KILLER WHALES.

/I wonder why they call them that?

Mistranslation, actually. They are really a species of dolphin, and their name was originally Whale Killers.

Really?  Cool, I never knew that.  Learned something new today.

/Useless knowledge is best knowledge.


It's not useless if you can win a $50 beer tab with it.
 
2013-11-12 12:30:45 PM

Gothnet: Darth Vader is bad, and his assistant is a mouse...


(makes about as much sense as the headline)


He uses the Force to spay all his cats.


/jazz hand
 
2013-11-12 12:33:36 PM

DubtodaIll: Last Man on Earth: Kome: NutWrench: I've never been tempted to swim with KILLER WHALES.

/I wonder why they call them that?

Mistranslation, actually. They are really a species of dolphin, and their name was originally Whale Killers.

Really?  Cool, I never knew that.  Learned something new today.

/Useless knowledge is best knowledge.

It's not useless if you can win a $50 beer tab with it.


I'll drink to that.
 
2013-11-12 12:52:46 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Crucially, the judge sided with OSHA's findings that keeping humans out of the water with killer whales unless there were physical barriers would reduce the risk of serious injury or death.

And keeping busses off the streets will reduce my risk of getting hit by a bus. What's your point, your honor?


Even more to the point, these trainers know very well the risks they take.  It's like being a stuntman or circus performer in that regard, a risky job but the people who do it know the risks.  This isn't a case of OSHA needing to protect minimum wage laborers from cheapskate employers who would skimp on things like safety rails just to save a dime.

What's next, telling the Army they can't go into combat zones because someone might get hurt?
 
2013-11-12 12:56:13 PM

DubtodaIll: even visit a site without writing a citation about something.


The deal with you is that you cannot keep your hyperbolic foot out of your mouth, so either I dismiss most of what you say as hyperbolic rambling, or else you honestly believe the bit I just quoted and your post should still be dismissed for its stupidity.
 
2013-11-12 01:01:35 PM

Smackledorfer: DubtodaIll: even visit a site without writing a citation about something.

The deal with you is that you cannot keep your hyperbolic foot out of your mouth, so either I dismiss most of what you say as hyperbolic rambling, or else you honestly believe the bit I just quoted and your post should still be dismissed for its stupidity.


Well it's been my experience that it is their policy to always write a citation whenever they do any visits to any industrial sites.  I work with a number of them here in the area.  One in particular has the best safety record I have seen (2864 Days without incident, last I saw) and they have never had an OSHA inspection that did not result in a fine of some sort.  I'm not saying it's not an effective policy to ensure that businesses are always vigilant towards OSHA policies, but that is what they do.
 
2013-11-12 01:51:43 PM

DubtodaIll: While OSHA serves an important role in holding companies responsible for the safety of employees, a lot of things OSHA does are just stupid.  I feel like an occupation like "Orca Wrangler" is something you choose knowing full-well the risks involved.  A government agency shouldn't be stomping out people's careers just because they're risky.


The government (or more specifically some unelected career bureaucrat) will decide what's best for them.
 
2013-11-12 03:09:26 PM

give me doughnuts: Gothnet: Darth Vader is bad, and his assistant is a mouse...


(makes about as much sense as the headline)

He uses the Force to spay all his cats.


/jazz hand



Glad it's not just me.

/Tell me how you found thekitten meat....
 
2013-11-12 03:16:28 PM

DubtodaIll: Well it's been my experience that it is their policy to always write a citation whenever they do any visits to any industrial sites.


Goalposts moved to suit anecdote, followed with:

DubtodaIll: but that is what they do.


Claim that anecdotal knowledge extends to 100% of OSHA actions.
 
2013-11-12 03:29:16 PM

Smackledorfer: DubtodaIll: Well it's been my experience that it is their policy to always write a citation whenever they do any visits to any industrial sites.

Goalposts moved to suit anecdote, followed with:

DubtodaIll: but that is what they do.

Claim that anecdotal knowledge extends to 100% of OSHA actions.


You sure are a nit-picker, you should work for OSHA.
 
2013-11-12 09:52:34 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: Sin_City_Superhero: Crucially, the judge sided with OSHA's findings that keeping humans out of the water with killer whales unless there were physical barriers would reduce the risk of serious injury or death.

And keeping busses off the streets will reduce my risk of getting hit by a bus. What's your point, your honor?

Even more to the point, these trainers know very well the risks they take.  It's like being a stuntman or circus performer in that regard, a risky job but the people who do it know the risks.  This isn't a case of OSHA needing to protect minimum wage laborers from cheapskate employers who would skimp on things like safety rails just to save a dime.

What's next, telling the Army they can't go into combat zones because someone might get hurt?


Actually, that's a pretty good idea.
 
2013-11-13 01:20:41 AM

DrunkWithImpotence: Sin_City_Superhero: Crucially, the judge sided with OSHA's findings that keeping humans out of the water with killer whales unless there were physical barriers would reduce the risk of serious injury or death.

And keeping busses off the streets will reduce my risk of getting hit by a bus. What's your point, your honor?

Even more to the point, these trainers know very well the risks they take.  It's like being a stuntman or circus performer in that regard, a risky job but the people who do it know the risks.  This isn't a case of OSHA needing to protect minimum wage laborers from cheapskate employers who would skimp on things like safety rails just to save a dime.

What's next, telling the Army they can't go into combat zones because someone might get hurt?


In this particular death, this may not have been the case. From the Blackfish documentary, it sounds like despite the fact that the orca in question had previously killed two other people, SeaWorld told its trainers that the orca was only "involved" in the first death, and that the second death had been from hypothermia. In reality the company must have known perfectly well from eye-witnesses and autopsy reports that the animal had deliberately killed one trainer before, and that the dead man who had been found in his tank in the second incident had bite marks on his body and had his testicles ripped off. They apparently told the trainers none of that.
 
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