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(Guardian)   While Europe and the US have pledged millions of dollars along with billions in staff and equipment to the Philippines, China pledges $100,000 in leaded baby milk   (theguardian.com) divider line 80
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2013-11-12 10:05:00 AM  
China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.
 
2013-11-12 10:23:21 AM  
Oh My God!  They milk babies?
 
2013-11-12 10:32:07 AM  

RexTalionis: China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.


Who aren't they having territorial disputes with?
 
2013-11-12 10:44:13 AM  

RexTalionis: China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.


This. Im surprised China hasnt taken advantage and landed some people on the uninhabitable islands.
 
2013-11-12 10:46:59 AM  
Subby, that is to increase the octane and prevent pinging.
 
2013-11-12 10:54:28 AM  
The feeling's mutual. If earthquakes levelled Shanghai tomorrow, I wouldn't donate a Kleenex so they can wipe away their tears of grief.


/ok, that's a little harsh
 
2013-11-12 11:07:42 AM  
mmmmm. You can taste the baby!
 
2013-11-12 11:09:09 AM  

I_C_Weener: Oh My God!  They milk babies?

I have nipples

, Greg, could you milk me?
 
2013-11-12 11:10:25 AM  
We need allies over there and China really, truly gives no farks.
 
2013-11-12 11:11:44 AM  
The ironic thing is that the Spratley's are probably gone after this storm

/yes I know it's about the petrochemicals in that basin
//How many troops is Japan sending?
 
2013-11-12 11:13:00 AM  
So a couple dollars per American or 1/100th of a cent per Chinese.  Sounds about right.
 
2013-11-12 11:13:21 AM  
So, is the "relief" gonna start up pretty soon?
I mean, it sure surprised everybody that food and water is now needed.
If only there were a way to see these storms coming and maybe, I don't know, head out to the far side of the world a little early,,,
 
2013-11-12 11:13:39 AM  
If they give you a Coke, don't drink it.
 
2013-11-12 11:14:06 AM  
Half expected to see some Chinese media 'opinion piece' about how the storm was 'proof' that The Philippines was being punished by Heaven and Earth for daring to oppose China's Will.
 
2013-11-12 11:14:18 AM  
They are sending their top fire drill teams too.
 
2013-11-12 11:14:39 AM  
The lead will help them be more stable and grounded the next time a storm comes around.
 
2013-11-12 11:15:14 AM  
I wonder if this will turn out like the last... ahem... personal-length contest countries got into over the tsunami in India, where even the largest pledges were still called "stingy".
 
2013-11-12 11:15:35 AM  

ChipNASA: I_C_Weener: Oh My God!  They milk babies?

I have nipples, Greg, could you milk me?


And I have pills that will turn you into a milk factory.

Why, yes, you can, not much challenge.
 
2013-11-12 11:15:54 AM  

snocone: So, is the "relief" gonna start up pretty soon?
I mean, it sure surprised everybody that food and water is now needed.
If only there were a way to see these storms coming and maybe, I don't know, head out to the far side of the world a little early,,,


There tons of stuff there, but when all the roads are destroyed and the only functioning airport is too small to accept most planes, issues will arise.
 
2013-11-12 11:19:10 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Half expected to see some Chinese media 'opinion piece' about how the storm was 'proof' that The Philippines was being punished by Heaven and Earth for daring to oppose China's Will.


Nah, somehow even China won't stoop even as low as Pat Robertson does.
 
2013-11-12 11:19:29 AM  

snocone: ChipNASA: I_C_Weener: Oh My God!  They milk babies?

I have nipples, Greg, could you milk me?

And I have pills that will turn you into a milk factory.

Why, yes, you can, not much challenge.


fenugreek

Male Lactation- Why yes, Slate has the answer.


http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/20 11 /05/man_milk.html

www.slate.com
 
2013-11-12 11:20:06 AM  
IIRC, that pretty much matches China's help for Taiwan after it's earthquake in the 90's. This despite the fact that they (still) claim Taiwan is a part of China. Can't imagine why Taiwan wants to remain independent (/sarcasm).

OTOH, I heard that China contributed a fair amount of aid to Haiti which wasn't really credited in the media. I'm basing this latter on eyewitness estimates from my sister-in-law who volunteered to help out in Haiti.
 
2013-11-12 11:21:52 AM  
Off topic,  but I wonder if this hulk is still there after the storm.
http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2013/10/27/south-china-sea/

Those guys may have still been on board.
 
2013-11-12 11:21:53 AM  

snocone: So, is the "relief" gonna start up pretty soon?
I mean, it sure surprised everybody that food and water is now needed.
If only there were a way to see these storms coming and maybe, I don't know, head out to the far side of the world a little early,,,


Logistics are always issue, and you want to wait until you know what aid is needed first.
 
2013-11-12 11:24:16 AM  
China.
See what happens when you get big centralized government?
 
2013-11-12 11:32:43 AM  
Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.
 
2013-11-12 11:34:36 AM  
Billions in staff? How will they fit on the island?
 
2013-11-12 11:37:20 AM  
Let's send them a few container-ships full of GOP bootstraps.
We wouldn't want to create a culture of dependency.
 
2013-11-12 11:41:50 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: We need allies over there and China really, truly gives no farks.


That's why they try to get allies over here http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2010-01/17/content_12826029.htm
 
2013-11-12 11:41:56 AM  

Anayalator: Billions in staff? How will they fit on the island?


this.
 
2013-11-12 11:42:02 AM  

kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.


Because you can shame them into giving more.
 
2013-11-12 11:46:10 AM  

kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.


Because China is more than capable of doing a lot more, to be quite frank with you.
 
2013-11-12 11:47:04 AM  

RexTalionis: China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.


I hear some land had recently and spontaneously opened up for new construction
 
2013-11-12 11:47:28 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: snocone: So, is the "relief" gonna start up pretty soon?
I mean, it sure surprised everybody that food and water is now needed.
If only there were a way to see these storms coming and maybe, I don't know, head out to the far side of the world a little early,,,

Logistics are always issue, and you want to wait until you know what aid is needed first.


Right, 'cause it is always a surprise that food and water is on the list.
 
2013-11-12 11:56:26 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: China.
See what happens when you get big centralized government?


They reduce foreign involvement and aid?

Not sure what your point is here.
 
2013-11-12 11:58:36 AM  

snocone: Right, 'cause it is always a surprise that food and water is on the list.


More specifically where that food and water need to go
 
2013-11-12 11:59:46 AM  
China is also providing millions of cubic meters of smog for the rebuilding effort.
 
2013-11-12 12:02:21 PM  

gopher321: If earthquakes levelled Shanghai tomorrow, I wouldn't donate a Kleenex so they can wipe away their tears of grief.


How about a shovel so I can dig my way out?
 
2013-11-12 12:04:46 PM  
Don't knock leaded milk!
 
2013-11-12 12:05:37 PM  

snocone: IdBeCrazyIf: snocone: So, is the "relief" gonna start up pretty soon?
I mean, it sure surprised everybody that food and water is now needed.
If only there were a way to see these storms coming and maybe, I don't know, head out to the far side of the world a little early,,,

Logistics are always issue, and you want to wait until you know what aid is needed first.

Right, 'cause it is always a surprise that food and water is on the list.


The Red Cross, who as of Sunday was housing 330,000 people in 1200 camps across an archipelago 2 days after the worst storm in history hit, probably did think of those things.
 
2013-11-12 12:15:13 PM  
A friend of mine, who is asian, (second generation - he was born here in north america, but his parents were not), describes Filipinos as the Mexicans of China.  Based on what he said, they don't have a ton of respect for them as anything other than a lower class work force.
 
2013-11-12 12:15:43 PM  

thurstonxhowell: snocone: IdBeCrazyIf: snocone: So, is the "relief" gonna start up pretty soon?
I mean, it sure surprised everybody that food and water is now needed.
If only there were a way to see these storms coming and maybe, I don't know, head out to the far side of the world a little early,,,

Logistics are always issue, and you want to wait until you know what aid is needed first.

Right, 'cause it is always a surprise that food and water is on the list.

The Red Cross, who as of Sunday was housing 330,000 people in 1200 camps across an archipelago 2 days after the worst storm in history hit, probably did think of those things.


GDISM, you people make it real hard to snark the advantage takers prosthelytizing in the media.
 
2013-11-12 12:16:39 PM  

I_C_Weener: Oh My God!  They milk babies?


More like press. Think olive oil.
 
2013-11-12 12:17:03 PM  

sefert: A friend of mine, who is asian, (second generation - he was born here in north america, but his parents were not), describes Filipinos as the Mexicans of China.  Based on what he said, they don't have a ton of respect for them as anything other than a lower class work force.


LBFMs
 
2013-11-12 12:17:18 PM  

Amish Tech Support: China is also providing millions of cubic meters of smog for the rebuilding effort.


Actually they could if they got that C02 brick making technology going.
 
2013-11-12 12:18:18 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: snocone: So, is the "relief" gonna start up pretty soon?
I mean, it sure surprised everybody that food and water is now needed.
If only there were a way to see these storms coming and maybe, I don't know, head out to the far side of the world a little early,,,

Logistics are always issue, and you want to wait until you know what aid is needed first.


I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say they need everything.
 
2013-11-12 12:18:56 PM  
The real issue here really is that the roads are blocked, so the aid that people need is inaccessible until those get cleared up. Also, those are really rather underdeveloped areas of the country. So Tacloban City (Leyte) will probably get the lions-share while people on the outskirts and in little towns/barangay's along the road will be left in a secondary and tertiary position on the toem poll. Hopefully they (survivors) have realized this and have started making their way to where people can access them, rather than sitting alone.

Anyways, it really is anarchy down there at this point, so I do hope they bring properly trained and equipped troops with them.
 
2013-11-12 12:19:16 PM  

ReverendJynxed: I_C_Weener: Oh My God!  They milk babies?

More like press. Think olive oil.


More like high pressure gas centrifuges . Think Weaponized Babbys.
 
2013-11-12 12:22:13 PM  
Well, they'll have less valve wear and be able to run a little more timing, should be worth a tenth of a second in the quarter-mile baby races.
 
2013-11-12 12:23:03 PM  

sefert: A friend of mine, who is asian, (second generation - he was born here in north america, but his parents were not), describes Filipinos as the Mexicans of China.  Based on what he said, they don't have a ton of respect for them as anything other than a lower class work force.


Filipinos and Indonesians comprise and inordinate percentage of the commercial kitchen and domestic sanitation labor force in Hong Kong. Both are populous countries dominated by dogmatic religions. Coincidence, perhaps.
 
2013-11-12 12:24:28 PM  

hardinparamedic: kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.

Because China is more than capable of doing a lot more, to be quite frank with you.


And let their own people starve?  fark that
 
2013-11-12 12:24:29 PM  

I_C_Weener: Oh My God!  They milk babies?


Reminds me of:

www.retail-week.com
 
2013-11-12 12:40:54 PM  
Typhoon Haiyan: UN launches $300m appeal -

That's it?  $300 million?  We spent that much to be at war for two days.
 
2013-11-12 12:42:42 PM  

hardinparamedic: kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.

Because China is more than capable of doing a lot more, to be quite frank with you.


So?
 
2013-11-12 12:44:47 PM  
China is too busy building cities that no one can afford to live in so they can prop up their GDP numbers. They ain't got time to write checks for the Philipines.
 
2013-11-12 12:44:48 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: RexTalionis: China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.

Who aren't they having territorial disputes with?


Is there a country China *isn't* having territorial disputes with?
 
2013-11-12 12:47:07 PM  

kvinesknows: hardinparamedic: kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.

Because China is more than capable of doing a lot more, to be quite frank with you.

And let their own people starve?  fark that


There are hungry people in the US, but we are still quite active with international aid.
 
2013-11-12 12:48:56 PM  

jshine: Mitch Taylor's Bro: RexTalionis: China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.

Who aren't they having territorial disputes with?

Is there a country China *isn't* having territorial disputes with?


North Korea.
 
2013-11-12 12:53:47 PM  

kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.


You don't care if wealthier nations help impoverished nations after a huge natural disaster? It would be okay with you if no nation contributed anything, because "it's none of your business"?

I'll be honest, I don't understand this attitude at all.
 
2013-11-12 12:56:24 PM  

Pangit: jshine: Mitch Taylor's Bro: RexTalionis: China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.

Who aren't they having territorial disputes with?

Is there a country China *isn't* having territorial disputes with?

North Korea.


Well, they were up until 1970 when they 'abandoned' their claim in the name of supporting their puppet ally dependent state.
 
2013-11-12 01:12:01 PM  

hardinparamedic: kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.

Because China is more than capable of doing a lot more, to be quite frank with you.


According to whom? To you? Are you in the heads of Chinese leaders? Do you think for them? Do you have information about the state of affairs in their nation that they do not?

I don't think so. More likely, I think, is that you are merely condemning China for acting in ways you disagree with: ways that you think make them less capable than, according to you, they "should" be.
 
2013-11-12 01:16:44 PM  

H31N0US: Filipinos and Indonesians comprise and inordinate percentage of the commercial kitchen and domestic sanitation labor force in Hong Kong. Both are populous countries dominated by dogmatic religions. Coincidence, perhaps.


Filipinos also make up a surprisingly large portion of illegal labor in Thailand (Burmese are larger).  Seems odd that in a country with basically no labor laws an a $150/mo minimum wage that there would be a market for imported "cheap" labor, but there you go.
 
2013-11-12 01:20:42 PM  

Millennium: hardinparamedic: kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.

Because China is more than capable of doing a lot more, to be quite frank with you.

According to whom? To you? Are you in the heads of Chinese leaders? Do you think for them? Do you have information about the state of affairs in their nation that they do not?

I don't think so. More likely, I think, is that you are merely condemning China for acting in ways you disagree with: ways that you think make them less capable than, according to you, they "should" be.


You're so right, there is no way of determining this unless you're a member of the politburo .
 
2013-11-12 01:26:54 PM  

EvilEgg: Subby, that is to increase the octane and prevent pinging.


Especially if they are from before catalytic converters

i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-12 02:03:36 PM  

ShawnDoc: $150/mo minimum wage


I'm not sure but I think that's $150 more than the min wage in The Phils
 
2013-11-12 02:13:01 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.

You don't care if wealthier nations help impoverished nations after a huge natural disaster? It would be okay with you if no nation contributed anything, because "it's none of your business"?

I'll be honest, I don't understand this attitude at all.


not be a citizen of China, its none of my business if they help out other countries.

Being a Citizen of Canada, and more specifically of Manitoba.. I am a little ticked that my country is not doing enough.  I supplement that by doing even more ( like volunteering at a fundraising event for this disaster )
 
2013-11-12 02:23:08 PM  

RexTalionis: China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.


This, I am surprised they pledged anything at all.
 
2013-11-12 02:29:56 PM  
How is babby formaldehyde?
 
2013-11-12 02:51:52 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Half expected to see some Chinese media 'opinion piece' about how the storm was 'proof' that The Philippines was being punished by Heaven and Earth for daring to oppose China's Will.


no only you and your ilk would think something like that.
 
2013-11-12 03:03:15 PM  

jshine: Mitch Taylor's Bro: RexTalionis: China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.

Who aren't they having territorial disputes with?

Is there a country China *isn't* having territorial disputes with?


Niger?
 
2013-11-12 03:12:29 PM  

ReverendJynxed: jshine: Mitch Taylor's Bro: RexTalionis: China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.

Who aren't they having territorial disputes with?

Is there a country China *isn't* having territorial disputes with?

Niger?


please
 
2013-11-12 03:41:02 PM  
White guilt.
 
2013-11-12 03:57:42 PM  

Millennium: hardinparamedic: kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.

Because China is more than capable of doing a lot more, to be quite frank with you.

According to whom? To you? Are you in the heads of Chinese leaders? Do you think for them? Do you have information about the state of affairs in their nation that they do not?



You're right -- the planet's second largest economy really only spare about $100,000 for aid.  That makes sense.
 
2013-11-12 05:23:58 PM  

jshine: Millennium: hardinparamedic: kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.

Because China is more than capable of doing a lot more, to be quite frank with you.

According to whom? To you? Are you in the heads of Chinese leaders? Do you think for them? Do you have information about the state of affairs in their nation that they do not?


You're right -- the planet's second largest economy really only spare about $100,000 for aid.  That makes sense.


You are forgetting the value of foregoing invading and subjugating at this weak point.

Value added, sorta.
 
2013-11-12 05:26:51 PM  

ShawnDoc: H31N0US: Filipinos and Indonesians comprise and inordinate percentage of the commercial kitchen and domestic sanitation labor force in Hong Kong. Both are populous countries dominated by dogmatic religions. Coincidence, perhaps.

Filipinos also make up a surprisingly large portion of illegal labor in Thailand (Burmese are larger).  Seems odd that in a country with basically no labor laws an a $150/mo minimum wage that there would be a market for imported "cheap" labor, but there you go.


Somewhere in the world is the World's Cheapest Guy.
That guy never has a good day.
Like an Arlo Guthrie type of guy.
 
2013-11-12 05:47:11 PM  

jshine: Mitch Taylor's Bro: RexTalionis: China and the Philippines are having territorial disputes, so, I'm not surprised.

Who aren't they having territorial disputes with?

Is there a country China *isn't* having territorial disputes with?


Palestine.
 
2013-11-12 07:12:06 PM  

kvinesknows: Why do we care what other countries or other people donate to a relief effort?

You dont donate because its a requirement. You donate because its something you feel you want to help with and its really none of your business who donates less or more.


In politics, donating is a strategic move that can be used to show how powerful your nation is. It can also be used as a way of gaining leverage over certain issues that you may have with another country. The bad thing is that if you're engaged with some problems with a country and that country suffers a horrible disaster (like China VS Philippines), you'll be forced to donate "something" to them so as to not appear like the "lesser country" in the eyes of the world. I bet if nobody gave international attention to this typhoon, China wouldn't send stuff.

Do you know how a lot of Chinese people view those from the Philippines? They view them as lower class uneducated filthy maids. There was also a hostage event in the Philippines some time ago where the local SWAT guys were so dumb, they didn't kill the hostage taker when he went out of a bus and talked with them. The result was that the hostage taker killed the Chinese tourists. The Chinese want an official apology for this tragedy, yet the Philippines won't give it to them. Then there's also that Spratley or whatever island that they're fighting over.
 
2013-11-12 07:23:17 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Half expected to see some Chinese media 'opinion piece' about how the storm was 'proof' that The Philippines was being punished by Heaven and Earth for daring to oppose China's Will.

no only you and your ilk would think something like that.


Good lord, you're a moron.  Flagging you as such.

http://www.ibtimes.com/chinese-netizens-mixed-reaction-philippine-ty ph oon-haiyan-destruction-1464964
 
2013-11-13 03:34:48 AM  
www.truthandgrace.com
 
2013-11-13 03:26:09 PM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: [www.truthandgrace.com image 500x465]


Oh, I love that myth. It's always awesome to expose the bigots. Especially the fact that according to the Talmud and the Koran, forcing a person to come in contact with, or to consume an unclean animal does nothing to their souls. They have to knowingly, willingly, and without duress consume or come in contact with it.

Millennium: I don't think so. More likely, I think, is that you are merely condemning China for acting in ways you disagree with: ways that you think make them less capable than, according to you, they "should" be.


Yeah, because THAT'S the only reason to criticize the Chinese. Not their use of borderline slave labor. Not their abhorrent treatment of rural peoples, their corruption which makes Washington look like saints, their execution of political dissidents and sale of organs and bodies on the black market, or any other scandal in recent years.

No. It's because they're not capable of providing more than a hundred large in aid, despite being one of the most prosperous and growing industrial and technological economies in the world.
 
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