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2013-11-12 08:30:15 AM
Richard Dawkins already exists, subby.
 
2013-11-12 08:42:27 AM
That would be the Space Pope...

s11.postimg.org
 
2013-11-12 08:43:18 AM
"In an effort to expand their reach, atheists and humanists are launching yet another intriguing initiative - a Peace Corps for those without a belief in a higher power."

Don't we already have something like that. Isn't it called the Peace Corps?
Though it will be nice to have people dig wells and give out shoes without having a bible attached.
 
2013-11-12 08:44:27 AM
Stop telling me now not to believe.
 
2013-11-12 08:46:02 AM
What's worse: a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Atheist?
 
2013-11-12 08:49:15 AM
Dibs!
 
2013-11-12 08:49:50 AM

GooberMcFly: What's worse: a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Atheist?


What's worst: dying in a plane crash or dying in a car crash?
 
2013-11-12 08:50:14 AM
If anything is representative of the hyper-religiosity of America, it's organized atheism.
 
2013-11-12 08:51:01 AM

GooberMcFly: What's worse: a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Atheist?


Neither at this point, which it the irony in all this.

You want to do good, just do it.  All they need to do is state that they aren't affiliated to any groups and move on with it... the way these guys are doing it, is all about getting attention.
 
2013-11-12 08:51:04 AM

Ivandrago: Though it will be nice to have people dig wells and give out shoes without having a bible attached.


I don't know. Those thin bible pages make great kindling and that can come in handy in the types of places you find yourself having to dig wells and teach basic improvements to subsistence farming methods.
 
2013-11-12 08:52:43 AM
Any atheist who quarrels with religious practice, yet adopts the behaviour in the article, is in a conflicted struggle wth himself and his own good intentions.
 
2013-11-12 08:53:16 AM

GooberMcFly: What's worse: a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Atheist?


anamericanatheist.org

Ask a stupid question...
 
2013-11-12 08:55:16 AM
www.turnbacktogod.com
 
2013-11-12 08:56:15 AM

kronicfeld: GooberMcFly: What's worse: a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Atheist?

[anamericanatheist.org image 540x382]

Ask a stupid question...


Oh god, that image again. You're not helping... It would be better to use Pat Robertson than an abortion clinic bomber.
 
2013-11-12 08:56:22 AM
The thing atheists and religious people have in common is that they both believe they know something absolutely about God.

And they are both incorrect.
 
2013-11-12 08:58:17 AM

SpdrJay: And they are both incorrect.


That's not how odds work. If you believe otherwise, I fully expect you to take all of your assets, run out to Vegas right now, and put it all on the longest, highest-payout bet you can find.
 
2013-11-12 08:58:43 AM
All I know is that, for a website run by Glen Beck, "The Blaze" sure does have a gay name...
 
2013-11-12 08:59:06 AM

machoprogrammer: Oh god, that image again. You're not helping... It would be better to use Pat Robertson than an abortion clinic bomber.


Admittedly extreme, just like the inane comment it was responding to. I suppose a much more commonplace example would be, say, those who live in or visit AIDS-ravaged regions of Africa and proselytizing against using condoms. But atheists condemn faith healing so I guess both sides are just as bad.
 
2013-11-12 08:59:17 AM
Been done. Great pope hat by the way.

images.nymag.com
 
2013-11-12 09:00:09 AM

barefoot in the head: Any atheist who quarrels with religious practice, yet adopts the behaviour in the article, is in a conflicted struggle wth himself and his own good intentions.


How so?  Let's say you're an atheist and want to help people.  If you're intelligent, you probably realize that you can accomplish a lot more in an organized group than as individuals (hard to do international outreach as a single individual of modest means).  You join one of these groups with the intent of going overseas teach people skills to survive and thrive and make a better society.

Educated people with access to medicine and science tend to be able to do things like mitigate suffering, starvation, and disease (religious or not).  Seems like a reasonable course to make the world a better place.  These aren't people telling others to ditch their religion.  Remember, you have a LOT of places where vaccines and medicine are seen as poison, and contraceptives are seen as witchcraft.  Breaking down these notions goes a long way to mitigating poverty and sickness.
 
2013-11-12 09:02:22 AM
Why does Drew allow direct links to some Mainstream Republican hate sites like The Blaze, NRO, American Thinker, and the like, but not to other Mainstream Republican Hate Sites like Stormfront and the Hammerskins? I wish he'd show some consistency. Seems like, if you're going to allow some Mainstream Republican hater speech, you should allow all Mainstream Republican hate speech.
 
2013-11-12 09:02:43 AM
Next? I got my pope card already. Why don't you? Is it because you're a cabbage?

/Hail Eris
//She's a biatch and we love her for it
 
2013-11-12 09:02:44 AM

Ivandrago: "In an effort to expand their reach, atheists and humanists are launching yet another intriguing initiative - a Peace Corps for those without a belief in a higher power."

Don't we already have something like that. Isn't it called the Peace Corps?
Though it will be nice to have people dig wells and give out shoes without having a bible attached.


I never understood why people travel halfway around the world to hand out bibles to hungry people.

I've been on two humanitarian missions organized by a church, neither handed out bibles, we built a school and shower facilities. There were religious overtones to the missions (I'm not religious but I wanted to go on the missions), but for the most part is was about making other people's lives better.
 
2013-11-12 09:03:18 AM

SpdrJay: The thing atheists and religious people have in common is that they both believe they know something absolutely about God.

And they are both incorrect.


When it comes to the existence of god(s) there are only two options.

1. God is impossible

or

2. God is useless

You can have a god that is omniscient, omnipotent, and impossible.

Or you can have a god that is not those things, and is thus useless.
 
2013-11-12 09:04:25 AM

GooberMcFly: What's worse: a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Atheist?


I'd say Christian by far. I haven't heard of Atheists doing this yet:

Americans' Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push
 
2013-11-12 09:05:20 AM
atheist pope is either Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris (ooh! Ricky Gervais?).

this is as much a play at main-stream acceptance as it is a solid effort to show that atheists are a force for good (also to maybe undo some of the "good" evangelical missionaries have done.) I'd volunteer to go to a foreign country and teach them about logic and science. the african countries that are executing homosexuals could DEFINITELY use a little logical rationality. The south american tribes who burn witches... a little anti-magic could do lots of innocent witches some good

i just don't see a group that's one step above sun worship, with a minimally expressive language, wrapping their heads around evolution.
 
2013-11-12 09:05:46 AM

chewd: SpdrJay: The thing atheists and religious people have in common is that they both believe they know something absolutely about God.

And they are both incorrect.

When it comes to the existence of god(s) there are only two options.

1. God is impossible

or

2. God is useless

You can have a god that is omniscient, omnipotent, and impossible.

Or you can have a god that is not those things, and is thus useless.


A god who doesn't act as a constant and literal deus ex machina is useless? How so?
 
2013-11-12 09:06:12 AM

kronicfeld: machoprogrammer: Oh god, that image again. You're not helping... It would be better to use Pat Robertson than an abortion clinic bomber.

Admittedly extreme, just like the inane comment it was responding to. I suppose a much more commonplace example would be, say, those who live in or visit AIDS-ravaged regions of Africa and proselytizing against using condoms. But atheists condemn faith healing so I guess both sides are just as bad.


I am an atheist, but will readily admit that the militant atheists just make the rest of us look bad. One isn't going to change people's opinion by being a jackass saying crap like "DERP JEEBUS LOLOLOL FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER LOL!1!!!"
 
2013-11-12 09:06:40 AM

kronicfeld: GooberMcFly: What's worse: a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Atheist?

[anamericanatheist.org image 540x382]

Ask a stupid question...


Oh Gawd. You just had to push that button, didn't you, Stimpy?
 
2013-11-12 09:06:51 AM

stratagos: GooberMcFly: What's worse: a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Atheist?

What's worst: dying in a plane crash or dying in a car crash?


Well, most often, a car crash happens very suddenly with little time for anticipation.  I would immagine that many plane crashes happen in a way where you are aware of what is happening for the entire up to 30,000 foot drop.

I would prefer 'I'm gonna die...' ->dead.

to

'I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die' ->dead.

but that is just me.
 
2013-11-12 09:06:58 AM

cubic_spleen: Why does Drew allow direct links to some Mainstream Republican hate sites like The Blaze, NRO, American Thinker, and the like, but not to other Mainstream Republican Hate Sites like Stormfront and the Hammerskins? I wish he'd show some consistency. Seems like, if you're going to allow some Mainstream Republican hater speech, you should allow all Mainstream Republican hate speech.


You must be one of those persons to whom anybody right-of-center is a nazi, no ands, ifs or buts.
 
2013-11-12 09:07:38 AM
Part of the reason I'm an atheist is so I don't have to go to some inane clubhouse once a week and meet the half wits living in my community.
 
2013-11-12 09:10:13 AM

Millennium: A god who doesn't act as a constant and literal deus ex machina is useless? How so?


If he is not omniscient, he cannot know about your problems.

If he is not omnipotent, he cannot do anything about them.

What use is there for a god that doesnt grant personal favors?
 
2013-11-12 09:11:30 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Part of the reason I'm an atheist is so I don't have to go to some inane clubhouse once a week and meet the half wits living in my community.


This - and if you come knocking on my door at eight in the morning, the fact that you are a fellow nonbeliever is not going to mitigate my annoyance with you.
 
2013-11-12 09:12:41 AM

chewd: Millennium: A god who doesn't act as a constant and literal deus ex machina is useless? How so?

If he is not omniscient, he cannot know about your problems.

If he is not omnipotent, he cannot do anything about them.

What use is there for a god that doesnt grant personal favors?


You could set him in your kitchen, and feed him peanuts.
 
2013-11-12 09:12:53 AM
Every time I point out that modern Atheists have practically created a religion out of disbelief, I get called a troll.  Atheist churches with atheist worship services and atheist rites have been around a few years.  Now atheist missionaries?

Every time I point out that militant Atheists (like the League of Militant Atheists) were have been responsible for jailing and persecuting priests and demolishing Churches and Cathedrals. . .I get "no true Scotsman" responses from Atheists who say they weren't "really" Atheists doing that.

Rather funny that Atheist fundamentalists really are more like religious fundamentalists than they realize.
 
2013-11-12 09:14:11 AM

jso2897: You could set him in your kitchen, and feed him peanuts.


I thought cats preferred tuna.
 
2013-11-12 09:15:45 AM

kronicfeld: machoprogrammer: Oh god, that image again. You're not helping... It would be better to use Pat Robertson than an abortion clinic bomber.

Admittedly extreme, just like the inane comment it was responding to. I suppose a much more commonplace example would be, say, those who live in or visit AIDS-ravaged regions of Africa and proselytizing against using condoms. But atheists condemn faith healing so I guess both sides are just as bad.


Why not use Stalin as an example of an extremist atheist, though, if we're going to go with silly hyperboles?

Note, this is not "All atheists are like Stalin/etc."
 
2013-11-12 09:16:12 AM
Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for your selves! You're ALL individuals!

Yes! We're all individuals!

You're all different!

Yes, we ARE all different!

I'm not...

Shh!
 
2013-11-12 09:17:24 AM

Silverstaff: Every time I point out that modern Atheists have practically created a religion out of disbelief, I get called a troll.  Atheist churches with atheist worship services and atheist rites have been around a few years.  Now atheist missionaries?

Every time I point out that militant Atheists (like the League of Militant Atheists) were have been responsible for jailing and persecuting priests and demolishing Churches and Cathedrals. . .I get "no true Scotsman" responses from Atheists who say they weren't "really" Atheists doing that.

Rather funny that Atheist fundamentalists really are more like religious fundamentalists than they realize.


You've got a point. But, the percentage of atheists who engage in any of these activities is miniscule. It only makes the news because it's so unusual. But, yes, you'll find annoying extremists in any group of people (no matter how loosely affiliated.)
 
2013-11-12 09:22:42 AM

chewd: Millennium: A god who doesn't act as a constant and literal deus ex machina is useless? How so?

If he is not omniscient, he cannot know about your problems.

If he is not omnipotent, he cannot do anything about them.

What use is there for a god that doesnt grant personal favors?


That's an awfully black-and-white way to look at things. A god who doesn't know everything, by definition, does nothing? A god who can't do everything, by definition, can't do anything? Are you asking for a god here, or the ultimate helicopter parent?
 
2013-11-12 09:25:43 AM
"That's an awfully black-and-white way to look at things. A god who doesn't know everything, by definition, does nothing? A god who can't do everything, by definition, can't do anything? Are you asking for a god here, or the ultimate helicopter parent? "

Well, thats the way he's always been described by his fan club. Seems pretty awful to me too, but hey, not really my bag, so what is there to do about it?

I guess I could ask him about it directly... but thats a problem since he isnt real.
 
2013-11-12 09:29:59 AM

SpdrJay: The thing atheists and religious people have in common is that they both believe they know something absolutely about God.

And they are both incorrect.


So what are you saying -- there's a chance that it's ghosts and fairies?
 
2013-11-12 09:31:41 AM
Is this the thread where everyone conflates gnosticism with theism?
 
2013-11-12 09:35:06 AM

GooberMcFly: What's worse: a fundamentalist Christian or a fundamentalist Atheist?


Definitely a fundamentalist Atheist. Fundy atheists are an extremely powerful group who influence elections and legislation to deny people their civil rights, including same-sex marriage, adoption, an employment protection.

Oh, wait, that's the other group.
 
2013-11-12 09:38:48 AM
Don't help me Jebus!
 
2013-11-12 09:40:04 AM

Deep Contact: [www.turnbacktogod.com image 424x400]


If you find yourself standing before proof of God's existence then you can no longer be an atheist. Sign does not apply.
 
2013-11-12 09:44:27 AM
Maybe an atheist missionary is just someone who has seen the hobbles religion puts on people's minds, bodies, and bank accounts, and wants to show people that it's not necessary. Also, to show them how blatantly silly it seems from the outside looking in.
 
2013-11-12 09:45:08 AM

JoelWhy: Silverstaff: Every time I point out that modern Atheists have practically created a religion out of disbelief, I get called a troll.  Atheist churches with atheist worship services and atheist rites have been around a few years.  Now atheist missionaries?

Every time I point out that militant Atheists (like the League of Militant Atheists) were have been responsible for jailing and persecuting priests and demolishing Churches and Cathedrals. . .I get "no true Scotsman" responses from Atheists who say they weren't "really" Atheists doing that.

Rather funny that Atheist fundamentalists really are more like religious fundamentalists than they realize.

You've got a point. But, the percentage of atheists who engage in any of these activities is miniscule. It only makes the news because it's so unusual. But, yes, you'll find annoying extremists in any group of people (no matter how loosely affiliated.)


How many Christians shoot up abortion clinics?
 
2013-11-12 09:45:55 AM

Silverstaff: Every time I point out that modern Atheists have practically created a religion out of disbelief, I get called a troll.  Atheist churches with atheist worship services and atheist rites have been around a few years.  Now atheist missionaries?

Every time I point out that militant Atheists (like the League of Militant Atheists) were have been responsible for jailing and persecuting priests and demolishing Churches and Cathedrals. . .I get "no true Scotsman" responses from Atheists who say they weren't "really" Atheists doing that.

Rather funny that Atheist fundamentalists really are more like religious fundamentalists than they realize.



He called for patient and tactful individual work without offending the believers, but "re-educating" them. He claimed that religion had disappeared in some parts of the country but in other parts (especially in the newly annexed territories) it was strong, and he warned against starting brutal offensives in those areas.
He alleged that there were very few attempts to re-open churches and that this was a sign of the decline in religion. He branded those who tried to re-open churches as "former kulaks" and "falsifiers of figures". This report was contradicted, however, by the LMG's own figures (based on the 1937 census) that found perhaps half the country still held religious beliefs, even if they had no structures to worship in any longer and they could no longer openly express their beliefs.
An answer to this report was found when) against the German forces that were effectively "liberating" religious believers from the persecution against them, Stalin ended the antireligious persecution and the LMG was disbanded. All LMG periodicals ceased to publish by September 1941. Its official disbandment date is unknown, but traced somewhere between 1941 and 1947. Yaroslavsky turned his attention to other pursuits and in 1942, he published an article on Orthodox writer


Yeah, no- you keep pounding that podium insisting you're right. Never mind that these folks have disbanded, nor that they did so while saying atheists should be more amicable in their proselytizing. It doesn't matter anyway. All that matters is that you feel you're right.
 
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