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(CNN)   Remember the woman who "accidentally" pushed her new husband off a cliff eight days after the wedding? Turns out he was blindfolded when he fell. Somebody's got some 'splaining to do   (cnn.com) divider line 89
    More: Followup, voluntary manslaughter, FBI Laboratory, premeditation  
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2013-11-12 08:27:40 AM  
Don't stick your dick in crazyyyyyyyyy
 
2013-11-12 08:28:50 AM  
That's natural selection.
 
2013-11-12 09:04:30 AM  
Some people walk blindly into marriage, the others avoid it.
 
2013-11-12 09:15:38 AM  
"Hey honey, let me blindfold next to this large cliff"

only a newlywed would fall for this!


get it? fall? uck uck
 
2013-11-12 09:30:42 AM  
Maybe he got scared on the way down and decided to blindfold himself so he couldn't see the impact.
 
2013-11-12 10:00:52 AM  
There's kinky sex and then there's just stupid.
 
2013-11-12 10:01:45 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Maybe he got scared on the way down and decided to blindfold himself so he couldn't see the impact.


c.f. Peril-Sensitive Sunglasses.
 
2013-11-12 10:02:01 AM  
I don't think that's what they mean by "falling in love."
 
2013-11-12 10:02:33 AM  

FrancoFile: There's kinky sex and then there's just stupid. marriage.


ftfm.
 
2013-11-12 10:06:30 AM  
So was he rich, or what's the deal here?
 
2013-11-12 10:07:11 AM  
It's the man's fault. He was obviously abusing her and she was defending herself! She's innocent!
 
2013-11-12 10:07:17 AM  
As a jurisprudence fetishist, I, too, hope she gets off on technicality...

Seriously, though, the circumstantial evidence does strongly suggest manslaughter, if not murder, and the idea that the couldn't have been arguing because he was "wearing a blindfold" is ludicrous. If anything, I'd be more inclined to believe that she had planned it because he was wearing a blindfold - "hey, honey, let's do something... interesting..." Guy giggles, buys into the game, puts on blindfold. She pushes him off the cliff, pretends to discover the body, admits she lied, then claims it was an accident.
 
2013-11-12 10:07:59 AM  
Some new extreme sport, blindfolded cliffwalking?
 
2013-11-12 10:10:48 AM  
Overzealous game of Pin the Tail on the Donkey.

Nothing to see here, move along.
 
2013-11-12 10:14:17 AM  
The man's crazy wife somehow got him,
to the edge of a cliff, and then pushed him.
Her alibi during grilling,
Was the push did no killing
Rather, it was the sudden stop at the bottom.
 
2013-11-12 10:15:53 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: It's the man's fault. He was obviously abusing her and she was defending herself! She's innocent!


Yes yes, the story already told us it was the man that fall't.
 
2013-11-12 10:20:07 AM  

HailRobonia: Marcus Aurelius: Maybe he got scared on the way down and decided to blindfold himself so he couldn't see the impact.

c.f. Peril-Sensitive Sunglasses.


also see "Traal, Ravenous Bugblatter Beast Of"
 
2013-11-12 10:24:03 AM  
Of course, if you bothered to read the article, Subby, you'd find that the evidence of the blindfold is "we found a scrap of cloth in the river," and it was never presented to the grand jury, and it contradicts the prosecution's theory that they were arguing and she pushed him.

Also, there's this:
The report, which alleges an FBI interrogator inappropriately touched Graham's knee during the interview, states that almost an hour and a half of Graham's interrogation was not recorded, despite the necessary equipment being on hand. Failing to preserve such evidence, which includes Graham's first admission that she had previously lied, is a violation of Graham's rights, the defense brief says.

FBI: "She totally confessed during the interrogation. You know, during the part when we stopped recording. But she did totally did - you can trust us, our handwritten notes, and this new evidence that we mysteriously found weeks later."
 
2013-11-12 10:26:35 AM  

Theaetetus: Of course, if you bothered to read the article, Subby, you'd find that the evidence of the blindfold is "we found a scrap of cloth in the river," and it was never presented to the grand jury, and it contradicts the prosecution's theory that they were arguing and she pushed him.

Also, there's this:
The report, which alleges an FBI interrogator inappropriately touched Graham's knee during the interview, states that almost an hour and a half of Graham's interrogation was not recorded, despite the necessary equipment being on hand. Failing to preserve such evidence, which includes Graham's first admission that she had previously lied, is a violation of Graham's rights, the defense brief says.

FBI: "She totally confessed during the interrogation. You know, during the part when we stopped recording. But she did totally did - you can trust us, our handwritten notes, and this new evidence that we mysteriously found weeks later."


This story has turned into a clusterf*ck of epic proportions. How do you not record the first 90 minutes, and then ask her to "paraphrase" what she said?

These guys must have worked the O.J. investigation...
 
2013-11-12 10:26:38 AM  
Just wanted to point out that from what's been released so far, the prosecution's blindfold theory is extremely weak.  All we know so far is that apparently a piece of fabric was found on a shoal in the river at some unknown distance from the body, and that the piece of fabric by some measure was DNA linked to the victim.  Claiming that the piece of fabric was used as a blindfold and that the victim was wearing it when he went off the cliff is a pretty big stretch.  Plus, as the defense attorney points out in the article, based on the timing of the DNA testing, the blindfold theory was most likely not presented to the grand jury.  It's entirely possible that this whole blindfold story is just grandstanding by the prosecution to try to force a plea deal.
 
2013-11-12 10:26:58 AM  
It was a trust exercise for newlyweds.  Obviously he failed.
 
2013-11-12 10:28:07 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: It's the man's fault. He was obviously abusing her and she was defending herself! She's innocent!


Shove it up your piehole, princess. I think the incidence of women taking responsibility for their lives runs about the same as the numbers of men taking responsibility for their lives.

It's not our fault that you have bad taste in women and only know the ones who lie to you.
 
2013-11-12 10:28:08 AM  
He always hiked that way, it makes it more extreme.
 
2013-11-12 10:28:24 AM  
There should be a rule that, if the cops record part of something, and then mysteriously fail to record another part, the jury should be instructed to draw a negative inference that anything the cops say occurred during that time is likely false, unless they can prove otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
2013-11-12 10:33:29 AM  
I was doing blindfolded cliff hiking back in the 80's before a lot of people even knew about it.
 
2013-11-12 10:41:46 AM  
He was just testing the theory that if you walk around while blind, the "Magoo effect" will ensure that if you step off an edge, something will miraculously swing into position to save you from falling.
 
2013-11-12 10:43:59 AM  

FormlessOne: As a jurisprudence fetishist, I, too, hope she gets off on technicality...

Seriously, though, the circumstantial evidence does strongly suggest manslaughter, if not murder, and the idea that the couldn't have been arguing because he was "wearing a blindfold" is ludicrous. If anything, I'd be more inclined to believe that she had planned it because he was wearing a blindfold - "hey, honey, let's do something... interesting..." Guy giggles, buys into the game, puts on blindfold. She pushes him off the cliff, pretends to discover the body, admits she lied, then claims it was an accident.


Or he had a bandana on his head or around his neck (early July I would still have one with me in case mosquitoes were bad and I needed to cover my face). His body wasn't found blindfolded. They found a "piece of cloth" in the river. It would be really stupid to blindfold somebody and risk having the body found that way if you're big plan is to say "Oopsie, accident!" Granted, she may be that stupid.

Prosecutors are probably city folk who've never gone hiking and wouldn't know why someone would carry a bandana or neck sock in the woods.
 
2013-11-12 10:44:21 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: "Hey honey, let me blindfold next to this large cliff"

only a newlywed would fall for this!


get it? fall? uck uck


I'll tumble for you
 
2013-11-12 10:44:55 AM  
Trust fall?
 
2013-11-12 10:46:57 AM  

positronica: Just wanted to point out that from what's been released so far, the prosecution's blindfold theory is extremely weak.  All we know so far is that apparently a piece of fabric was found on a shoal in the river at some unknown distance from the body, and that the piece of fabric by some measure was DNA linked to the victim.  Claiming that the piece of fabric was used as a blindfold and that the victim was wearing it when he went off the cliff is a pretty big stretch.  Plus, as the defense attorney points out in the article, based on the timing of the DNA testing, the blindfold theory was most likely not presented to the grand jury.  It's entirely possible that this whole blindfold story is just grandstanding by the prosecution to try to force a plea deal.


I imagine falling off a cliff would normally end up with a load of your DNA appearing on most things up and down the coastline for some way in either direction.
 
2013-11-12 10:47:44 AM  

EatsCrayons: FormlessOne: As a jurisprudence fetishist, I, too, hope she gets off on technicality...

Seriously, though, the circumstantial evidence does strongly suggest manslaughter, if not murder, and the idea that the couldn't have been arguing because he was "wearing a blindfold" is ludicrous. If anything, I'd be more inclined to believe that she had planned it because he was wearing a blindfold - "hey, honey, let's do something... interesting..." Guy giggles, buys into the game, puts on blindfold. She pushes him off the cliff, pretends to discover the body, admits she lied, then claims it was an accident.

Or he had a bandana on his head or around his neck (early July I would still have one with me in case mosquitoes were bad and I needed to cover my face). His body wasn't found blindfolded. They found a "piece of cloth" in the river. It would be really stupid to blindfold somebody and risk having the body found that way if you're big plan is to say "Oopsie, accident!" Granted, she may be that stupid.

Prosecutors are probably city folk who've never gone hiking and wouldn't know why someone would carry a bandana or neck sock in the woods.


She IS that stupid. IIRC from the original story, after she pushed him off, when the cops asked where he was, she said "he left with friends." No matter that she actually had an alibi in the form of "he was standing near the cliff and then he tripped and fell over," or some equally plausible thing. Nope, he left with some anonymous friends, officer, yeah, that's the ticket!

/was hiking in Zion and Bryce Canyon with wife recently, we joked about that dolt
 
2013-11-12 10:50:48 AM  
FTA: "The report, which alleges an FBI interrogator inappropriately touched Graham's knee during the interview, states that almost an hour and a half of Graham's interrogation was not recorded, despite the necessary equipment being on hand. Failing to preserve such evidence, which includes Graham's first admission that she had previously lied, is a violation of Graham's rights, the defense brief says."

Well THAT'S believable. Yeah, that's the ticket.
 
2013-11-12 10:51:40 AM  

HailRobonia: The man's crazy wife somehow got him,
to the edge of a cliff, and then pushed him.
Her alibi during grilling,
Was the push did no killing
Rather, it was the sudden stop at the bottom.


Couple on a cliff,
Then she hands him a blindfold,
For his own safety.
 
2013-11-12 10:51:51 AM  
This is why I think all cliffs should have fencing.

Also, because I'm not left-handed.
 
2013-11-12 11:00:02 AM  
What's going on in here?
 
2013-11-12 11:01:41 AM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: This is why I think all cliffs should have fencing.


Fencing on a cliff?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-12 11:02:27 AM  
I'm sure it was just some wacky mishap.
 
2013-11-12 11:02:52 AM  
I'm no criminal mastermind, but don't you think a murder during the honeymoon is just a bit too conspicuous ?
 
2013-11-12 11:04:49 AM  
Is this really the sort of thing we need to be covering on Fark?

/let Tumblr have this one
//ba-dum-tsch
 
2013-11-12 11:05:32 AM  

xria: I imagine falling off a cliff would normally end up with a load of your DNA appearing on most things up and down the coastline for some way in either direction.


This is what I thought.
 
2013-11-12 11:06:11 AM  
They were playing "pin the ground on the bridegroom", a classic honeymoon game among asshole Uzbeks.

Great success!
 
2013-11-12 11:08:15 AM  

Fano: She IS that stupid. IIRC from the original story, after she pushed him off, when the cops asked where he was, she said "he left with friends." No matter that she actually had an alibi in the form of "he was standing near the cliff and then he tripped and fell over," or some equally plausible thing. Nope, he left with some anonymous friends, officer, yeah, that's the ticket!


Maybe, but then he'd actually have to be equally moronic to put a blindfold on by the top of a cliff. It's a lot more believable to me that he'd be carrying something as mundane as a bandana or muff, because it's an ordinary, common thing to have when you're hiking.

Like the hoofprints in Kansas are probably from horses, not zebras.
 
2013-11-12 11:10:13 AM  
This is why "Pin-The-Tail on the Donkey--Cliff Version" was banned.
 
2013-11-12 11:17:56 AM  

EatsCrayons: Fano: She IS that stupid. IIRC from the original story, after she pushed him off, when the cops asked where he was, she said "he left with friends." No matter that she actually had an alibi in the form of "he was standing near the cliff and then he tripped and fell over," or some equally plausible thing. Nope, he left with some anonymous friends, officer, yeah, that's the ticket!

Maybe, but then he'd actually have to be equally moronic to put a blindfold on by the top of a cliff. It's a lot more believable to me that he'd be carrying something as mundane as a bandana or muff, because it's an ordinary, common thing to have when you're hiking.

Like the hoofprints in Kansas are probably from horses, not zebras.


I don't believe the bandana thing, FWIW. But didn't she send a text to a friend saying "the problem will be solved tonight" or some such?
 
2013-11-12 11:24:47 AM  

mediablitz: This story has turned into a clusterf*ck of epic proportions. How do you not record the first 90 minutes, and then ask her to "paraphrase" what she said?

These guys must have worked the O.J. investigation...


 Probably done on purpose. Selectively editing conversations is a staple of getting convictions. I saw one once where they used the fact that during the interrogation the suspect stated the exact height of the victim. This was the main evidence used to prove he was not a complete stranger to her and had never seen her before as he claimed, and the jury convicted based almost solely on that. Many, many years later DNA exonerated him. The follow-up investigation turned up more tape.
 Turns out the investigators had directly told him that precise measurement twice, moments earlier, in a part of the interrogation they 'lost' at the first trial. They sure didn't lose the part of the tape just minutes afterward when they asked him to repeat how tall she was though...

/This is why you don't talk to cops, -ESPECIALLY- when you are innocent.
 
2013-11-12 11:25:30 AM  

Fano: The Stealth Hippopotamus: "Hey honey, let me blindfold next to this large cliff"

only a newlywed would fall for this!


get it? fall? uck uck

I'll tumble for you


The romance between you two is such a cliffhanger!
 
2013-11-12 11:31:08 AM  

Fano: EatsCrayons: Fano: She IS that stupid. IIRC from the original story, after she pushed him off, when the cops asked where he was, she said "he left with friends." No matter that she actually had an alibi in the form of "he was standing near the cliff and then he tripped and fell over," or some equally plausible thing. Nope, he left with some anonymous friends, officer, yeah, that's the ticket!

Maybe, but then he'd actually have to be equally moronic to put a blindfold on by the top of a cliff. It's a lot more believable to me that he'd be carrying something as mundane as a bandana or muff, because it's an ordinary, common thing to have when you're hiking.

Like the hoofprints in Kansas are probably from horses, not zebras.

I don't believe the bandana thing, FWIW. But didn't she send a text to a friend saying "the problem will be solved tonight" or some such?


I was to the effect of her having second thoughts and "If you don't hear from me after tonight, something happened".

I don't buy her self-defense bullcrap, and she admitted she lied to the investigators. Her lawyer is/was trying to get that to be inadmissible. This whole thing reeks of "I shouldn't have married him. Wait! I know how to take care of this!  Hey honey! Put on this blindfold so we can try something kinky here near this cliff!"   *SHOVE*
 
2013-11-12 11:31:11 AM  

Theaetetus: There should be a rule that, if the cops record part of something, and then mysteriously fail to record another part, the jury should be instructed to draw a negative inference that anything the cops say occurred during that time is likely false, unless they can prove otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt.


Rules of Evidence.  Read it sometime, pretty interesting, and there are free outlines available on the internet.

And not recording part of an interview is Investigation 101.  I do it all the time.  Agree to talk "off the record".  Target incriminates themselves.  Act nonchalant.  Kill time a little bit with some filler questions, state that we've wandered far off the beaten path and need to get back on the record to get an official statement - rules are rules, after all.  More filler questions, then subtly ask questions you know will have to be answered in a way that will repeat the previous incrimination.

Of course, it sounds like the investigators here botched the whole thing, but there ya go.
 
2013-11-12 11:32:21 AM  
He fell for her twice.
 
2013-11-12 11:35:09 AM  
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