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(Mother Jones)   There's a way the Dems can keep the GOP from slashing the food stamp program by $40 billion - just kill the farm bill   (motherjones.com) divider line 31
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2013-11-12 08:27:18 AM  
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2013-11-12 08:28:20 AM  
I hope the Dems find the balls to stop it. Cutting food stamps right now, considering the continued lethargy in the economy, is insane.
 
2013-11-12 08:29:17 AM  
Doesn't the food stamp program end up benefiting big business? Yeah, it puts food in people's stomachs, but that money is spent as grocery stores. So grocery stores now get a bump. Plus, all the food they bought was created by large companies, so they get a bump too. It's like a gigantic big business subsidy. I'm surprised the Republicans don't know this.
 
2013-11-12 08:32:19 AM  

kidgenius: Doesn't the food stamp program end up benefiting big business? Yeah, it puts food in people's stomachs, but that money is spent as grocery stores. So grocery stores now get a bump. Plus, all the food they bought was created by large companies, so they get a bump too. It's like a gigantic big business subsidy. I'm surprised the Republicans don't know this.


As long as they are ALSO hurting poor people, Republicans are fine with hurting big business. Seriously, why doesn't the Republican party just have a single plank in their platform, "The poor must suffer." It would be far more honest.
 
2013-11-12 08:33:59 AM  
The bill went down because 62 GOP conservatives thought the $20 billion in cuts weren't deep enough, while 172 Democrats thought they were too drastic.

Tells you all you need to know about both party's priorities.

The more Republicans Boehner loses, the more Democrats he'll need.

Sucks to be him. On several levels.

Why compromise when you can win by doing nothing at all?

Kinda like how the sequester came about only... you know... not evil this time.
 
2013-11-12 08:37:07 AM  
"Farm" bill is mostly a misnomer at this point.

kidgenius: Doesn't the food stamp program end up benefiting big business? Yeah, it puts food in people's stomachs, but that money is spent as grocery stores. So grocery stores now get a bump. Plus, all the food they bought was created by large companies, so they get a bump too. It's like a gigantic big business subsidy. I'm surprised the Republicans don't know this.


Did you know that 40 percent of all American workers make less than $20,000 a year before taxes?

Yes, yes it does.
 
2013-11-12 08:37:44 AM  
The GOP idea of slashing food stamps was all about hurting the US military by getting to the lower ranks of elisted men with families and emptying their cupboards.

That's why Outback and lots of other places started offering teasers to the military to eat there, just like giving the homeless a turkey dinner on Thanksgiving and Christmas and telling them to go to hell the rest of the year.
 
2013-11-12 08:39:33 AM  

kidgenius: Doesn't the food stamp program end up benefiting big business? Yeah, it puts food in people's stomachs, but that money is spent as grocery stores. So grocery stores now get a bump. Plus, all the food they bought was created by large companies, so they get a bump too. It's like a gigantic big business subsidy. I'm surprised the Republicans don't know this.


The grocers are often too small.  If Food stamps was limited to only being spent at WalMart then maybe they'd be getting enough kickbacks, but as it is food stamps are basically pure economic stimulus of the most efficient and effective kind.  Every dollar that gets spent on food stamps comes back as 2.5 dollars.

It's government spending that helps the economy and people in need, ergo the GOP hates it.
 
2013-11-12 08:47:15 AM  
Sadly, I am sure the Republicans in Congress would react to a failure to pass the farm bill by refusing to appropriate any funds for SNAP and effectively ending the program until a new Congress comes into play.
 
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2013-11-12 08:51:02 AM  

kidgenius: Doesn't the food stamp program end up benefiting big business? Yeah, it puts food in people's stomachs, but that money is spent as grocery stores. So grocery stores now get a bump. Plus, all the food they bought was created by large companies, so they get a bump too. It's like a gigantic big business subsidy. I'm surprised the Republicans don't know this.


They probably too, but their desire to fark the poor outweighs their desire to placate big business.
 
2013-11-12 09:09:56 AM  

kidgenius: Doesn't the food stamp program end up benefiting big business? Yeah, it puts food in people's stomachs, but that money is spent as grocery stores. So grocery stores now get a bump. Plus, all the food they bought was created by large companies, so they get a bump too. It's like a gigantic big business subsidy. I'm surprised the Republicans don't know this.


Due to the loss of jobs since 2008 there has been a $40 billion increase in food stamp benefits paid per year. Taking a multiplier effect of $1.80 that is an increase of $72 billion in total economic activity and an increase in jobs of 650,000.
 Republicans know this. Republicans attempt whatever they can to ruin the economy while that Kenyan Muslim usurper is in the White House that they feel should be theirs.
 
2013-11-12 09:11:51 AM  

TheBigJerk: The grocers are often too small. If Food stamps was limited to only being spent at WalMart then maybe they'd be getting enough kickbacks, but as it is food stamps are basically pure economic stimulus of the most efficient and effective kind. Every dollar that gets spent on food stamps comes back as 2.5 dollars.


Mark Zandi, co-founder of Moody's Economy.com, testified that food stamps have a "multiplier effect" of $1.73 stimulus for every dollar spent. During the GWBush administration it was found that "Ultimately, the additional $5 billion of Food Stamp Program expenditures triggered an increase in total economic activity (production, sales, and value of shipments) of $9.2 billion and an increase in jobs of 82,100," or $1.84 stimulus for every dollar spent."
 
2013-11-12 09:14:35 AM  

neversubmit: "Farm" bill is mostly a misnomer at this point.

kidgenius: Doesn't the food stamp program end up benefiting big business? Yeah, it puts food in people's stomachs, but that money is spent as grocery stores. So grocery stores now get a bump. Plus, all the food they bought was created by large companies, so they get a bump too. It's like a gigantic big business subsidy. I'm surprised the Republicans don't know this.

Did you know that 40 percent of all American workers make less than $20,000 a year before taxes?

Yes, yes it does.


Wow.  Thanks for the link.  I plan to use this tasty morsel at Thanksgiving with some rightwing in-laws.
 
2013-11-12 09:21:02 AM  

neversubmit: Did you know that 40 percent of all American workers make less than $20,000 a year before taxes?

Yes, yes it does.



For the record, I make less than $20,000 a year and I sure as hell don't qualify for food stamps.
 
2013-11-12 09:25:31 AM  

eiger: I hope the Dems find the balls to stop it. Cutting food stamps right now, considering the continued lethargy in the economy, is insane.


I recall the cut to food stamps in 1981. I was a couple years out of school and had to buy fast-food mostly. People were going hungry and they did what they could to eat. McDonalds had real problems. After you picked up your food at the counter hungry people would knock your tray over and take the food off the floor. They hired a bouncer to keep the people out. I forget exactly how the bouncer checked you out, but I recall he asked to see your money before you could enter if he had doubts.

This went on until the cuts were reversed.
 
2013-11-12 09:34:42 AM  

Serious Black: Sadly, I am sure the Republicans in Congress would react to a failure to pass the farm bill by refusing to appropriate any funds for SNAP and effectively ending the program until a new Congress comes into play.


Let them. All that voter suppression will be for not when you have the poors pissed off and starving.
 
2013-11-12 09:52:50 AM  

Serious Black: Sadly, I am sure the Republicans in Congress would react to a failure to pass the farm bill by refusing to appropriate any funds for SNAP and effectively ending the program until a new Congress comes into play.


There's crazy and then there's politically suicidal pants-on-head cray-cray.

The GOP are definitely in the first category now but if they do cut SNAP completely they will have moved into the second.

Not putting it passed them, of course, but even they hafta have limits.
 
2013-11-12 10:06:31 AM  
Yes, kill any Farm Bill without food stamps or cuts to food stamps. And make sure everyone knows you're doing it for the troops because many enlisted families rely on food stamps to feed their families. And, while you're at it, be sure to release the names of congress members and large agribusinesses getting thousands in "farm" subsidies.
 
2013-11-12 10:32:03 AM  

quatchi: Serious Black: Sadly, I am sure the Republicans in Congress would react to a failure to pass the farm bill by refusing to appropriate any funds for SNAP and effectively ending the program until a new Congress comes into play.

There's crazy and then there's politically suicidal pants-on-head cray-cray.

The GOP are definitely in the first category now but if they do cut SNAP completely they will have moved into the second.

Not putting it passed them, of course,  but even they hafta have limits.


I doubt it. Did you hear Michele Bachmann and others complaining on October 17th that Congress and the President ended up funding the government and temporarily staying the debt ceiling? Did you see the many, many, MANY Republicans vote no on the bill that did just that? Did you hear the dozens of quotes from people advocating for the federal government to intentionally default on its financial obligations? There are many Republicans in Congress today who are crazy enough to drive the car off the damn cliff.
 
2013-11-12 10:42:07 AM  

BitwiseShift: That's why Outback and lots of other places started offering teasers to the military to eat there, just like giving the homeless a turkey dinner on Thanksgiving and Christmas and telling them to go to hell the rest of the year.


Is that a quote from Sarah Palin's new book?
 
2013-11-12 10:45:55 AM  
Pay farmers to not grow crops.
Cut food stamps.

Profit.

/Murica
 
2013-11-12 10:59:30 AM  
I'm all for cutting food stamps by $40bn...if at the same time they find a way to help people into a position where they don't NEED those food stamps.  Any ideas, GOP?  No?  I didn't think so.
 
2013-11-12 11:27:54 AM  
Slip the minimum-wage increase into the farm bill & the GOP will kill it for you - drive down their favorables even more.
 
2013-11-12 11:40:05 AM  

neversubmit: "Farm" bill is mostly a misnomer at this point.

kidgenius: Doesn't the food stamp program end up benefiting big business? Yeah, it puts food in people's stomachs, but that money is spent as grocery stores. So grocery stores now get a bump. Plus, all the food they bought was created by large companies, so they get a bump too. It's like a gigantic big business subsidy. I'm surprised the Republicans don't know this.

Did you know that 40 percent of all American workers make less than $20,000 a year before taxes?

Yes, yes it does.


The firgure that Walmart stores tend to cost tax payers a net of $900,000 each in benefits paid to its workers over taxes paid by the store and its staff,  is pretty well known by now. (which BTW works out to $4 billion a year of 25% of Walmart's net profits per year).  What is not as well known is that the single largest beneficiary of food stamps IS:  Wal-mart.  More EBT benefits are spent there, by far, than anywhere else (in part because in many of the poorest places in the country Wal-mart is the only real retail establishment in town, all local small businesses having been driven out of business by deliberate corporate policy).   In all 18% of all SNAP benefits are spent there, which means out of an $80 billion program $14 billion goes to Wal-mart  .  Now, add to that the well known calculation that ever dollar added to food stamp programs yields about $1.70 in new spending,.  Further add a logical supposition that a least some of that additional  spending happens in the same place as the EBT benefits are used, and that's up to another almost $10 billion in ancillary spending that Wal-mart is the beneficiary of thanks to food stamps.

Considering they are the largest private employer in the country and their employees represent the largest concentration of foodstamps and medicaid recipients in most states


So Yes, SNAP etc IS a massive government subsidy to some of the largest corporation in America, but one that keeps people from starving to death in the richest nation on earth which is, AFAIC the bare moral minimum any society needs to do for its people.  Food Stamp reform IS needed, but it should come not from wantonly cutting benefits but things like Raising the minimum wage (which according to the latest Gallup poll 75% of Americans are in favor of)  So employers have to pay the fair share of their costs of doing business instead of letting the government subsidize them.
 
2013-11-12 11:56:24 AM  
One in seven Americans on food stamps. Depressing.

Something needs to be done about that but the Republican solution seems a bit draconian.
 
2013-11-12 12:35:45 PM  

kidgenius: Doesn't the food stamp program end up benefiting big business? Yeah, it puts food in people's stomachs, but that money is spent as grocery stores. So grocery stores now get a bump. Plus, all the food they bought was created by large companies, so they get a bump too. It's like a gigantic big business subsidy. I'm surprised the Republicans don't know this.


Why not cut out the middle man and just give the money directly to the large companies?
 
2013-11-12 12:39:28 PM  
Congressman George Miller (D-Martinez), has called out his colleagues in the House of Representatives who voted two weeks ago to zero out funding for food stamps while collecting millions of dollars in farm subsidies for themselves with both hands.
There are 14 of them, all Republicans, according to  "Pork Barrel Politics"  it names names. This rogues' gallery of hypocrisy has a total net worth of up to $124.5 million (the exact figure isn't public, because members of Congress only have to declare their wealth in ranges). They've received a total of at least $7.2 million in government subsidies since 1995.
- Stolen from this article.

/I was searching for the jpg summarizing these abuses but couldn't find it.
 
2013-11-12 12:51:56 PM  

Cletus C.: One in seven Americans on food stamps. Depressing.

Something needs to be done about that but the Republican solution seems a bit draconian.


Might I suggest giving the Democrats both houses and executive for at least 4 terms and let us fix this shiat once and for all?

Single Payer System (Medicare 2.0), fix the economic issues (without the GOP cockblocking everything like biatchy little babies), etc. etc.
 
2013-11-12 01:20:47 PM  

Magorn: So Yes, SNAP etc IS a massive government subsidy to some of the largest corporation in America, but one that keeps people from starving to death in the richest nation on earth which is, AFAIC the bare moral minimum any society needs to do for its people. Food Stamp reform IS needed, but it should come not from wantonly cutting benefits but things like Raising the minimum wage (which according to the latest Gallup poll 75% of Americans are in favor of) So employers have to pay the fair share of their costs of doing business instead of letting the government subsidize them.


I like you are smart and sometimes funny, so when I tell you I disagree with on this last part I'm trying to be a jerk like I normally do. It's just you seem to have a... nicer  no... huh... more positive point of view. The bare <blank> minimum that our society is going to sink to will be horrific and the combinations of fair, whatever that means, and employer is odd to say the least.

The world is see is one where the weak are meat and the strong feed. <~ripped that off some movie
 
2013-11-12 01:22:26 PM  

neversubmit: Magorn: So Yes, SNAP etc IS a massive government subsidy to some of the largest corporation in America, but one that keeps people from starving to death in the richest nation on earth which is, AFAIC the bare moral minimum any society needs to do for its people. Food Stamp reform IS needed, but it should come not from wantonly cutting benefits but things like Raising the minimum wage (which according to the latest Gallup poll 75% of Americans are in favor of) So employers have to pay the fair share of their costs of doing business instead of letting the government subsidize them.

I like you, you are smart and sometimes funny, so when I tell you I disagree with on this last part I'm not trying to be a jerk like I normally do. It's just you seem to have a... nicer  no... huh... more positive point of view. The bare minimum that our society is going to sink to will be horrific and the combinations of fair, whatever that means, and employer is odd to say the least.

The world I is see is one where the weak are meat and the strong feed. <~ripped that off some movie


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2013-11-12 01:40:02 PM  
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