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(KOIN Portland)   Cemetery normally only allows relatives to decorate soldiers' graves with flags on Memorial Day and Veteran's Day, but made an exception for one grieving grandmother. Naturally others have a problem with this   (koin.com) divider line 62
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2013-11-12 12:09:47 AM
he just lives a few block away, so she would go up there every evening, every day ... she even knew when the mowing schedule was.

So it sounds like the issue the cemetery has is that people leave the flags and that makes it harder to mow the lawns.

And, it seems like he's implying that she goes there every day and knows when they're going to mow (and thus removes the flag).

If that's the case, then the dude that's complaining better start visiting more than once a week if he wants the same sort of exception.
 
2013-11-12 12:12:12 AM

lordargent: he just lives a few block away, so she would go up there every evening, every day ... she even knew when the mowing schedule was.

So it sounds like the issue the cemetery has is that people leave the flags and that makes it harder to mow the lawns.

And, it seems like he's implying that she goes there every day and knows when they're going to mow (and thus removes the flag).

If that's the case, then the dude that's complaining better start visiting more than once a week if he wants the same sort of exception.


He didn't know he wanted it until he saw that someone else had it.

Sigh.
 
2013-11-12 12:17:57 AM
Is nothing trivial?
 
2013-11-12 12:23:51 AM
I think Dubya and Cheney should be required to be present 24/7 to remove and replace flags so as to allow for efficient mowing. To make certain they stay warm, they can add ear muffs to their dunce caps.
 
2013-11-12 12:23:56 AM
Couldn't this problem be solved by simply mounting the flags on the headstones?
 
2013-11-12 12:34:42 AM

nickdaisy: I think Dubya and Cheney should be required to be present 24/7 to remove and replace flags so as to allow for efficient mowing. To make certain they stay warm, they can add ear muffs to their dunce caps.


Do you really want to engage which President has had more men killed in Service on his watch?
 
2013-11-12 12:35:35 AM

fusillade762: Couldn't this problem be solved by simply mounting the flags on the headstones?



That was my thought too, would be cool if monument makers provided an option free of charge for the fallen and veterans. Something like an insert
mounted into the top that could be capped, or the cap removed to allow a small flag to be inserted. The insert would keep water from working it's way into
the stone and installed with a waterproof adhesive.
 
2013-11-12 12:37:43 AM

Clemkadidlefark: nickdaisy: I think Dubya and Cheney should be required to be present 24/7 to remove and replace flags so as to allow for efficient mowing. To make certain they stay warm, they can add ear muffs to their dunce caps.

Do you really want to engage which President has had more men killed in Service on his watch?


The one who ended Iraq and didn't invade a Middle Eat country to get his rocks off?
 
2013-11-12 12:43:39 AM
There was a group requesting that Christmas wreaths be placed on every marker during December at Fort Bliss National Cemetery. This small group led by a woman whose father was buried there was trying to raise 10k for this endeavor. Obviously some people had a problem with this. Naturally the woman that instigated this was so shocked and upset that people didn't understand how beautiful it would be come Christmastime. In the end, I felt sorry for this misguided woman.
 
2013-11-12 12:46:59 AM
nickdaisy, do know that Iraq was Rumsfeld's pet project more than the two you named.
 
2013-11-12 12:54:03 AM

fusillade762: Couldn't this problem be solved by simply mounting the flags on the headstones?


No, because this looks to be one of those places that requires everything be flush to the ground so they can just go drive around with the riding mower without a second thought. If you're going to plant me on one of those, stop and throw me in a river instead.

Seriously, I love old graveyards with vaults, monuments, and beautifully carved and varied gravestones. Everybody getting the same 2'x1' flush to the ground slab in the exact same style- bleh. The banality is awful, the the graveyard just becomes a giant ugly field. Graveyards can be lovely places, but those industrial planting grounds, not so much.
 
2013-11-12 12:56:19 AM

Clemkadidlefark: nickdaisy: I think Dubya and Cheney should be required to be present 24/7 to remove and replace flags so as to allow for efficient mowing. To make certain they stay warm, they can add ear muffs to their dunce caps.

Do you really want to engage which President has had more men killed in Service on his watch?


Abraham Lincoln?
 
2013-11-12 12:57:01 AM
fta The thing is, cemetery staff made an exception for one family and that didn't sit well

Do they have a flag?

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-12 12:58:49 AM

tuna fingers: nickdaisy, do know that Iraq was Rumsfeld's pet project more than the two you named.


Their little house negro Colin Powell should be there tending graves as well for that farking shiat he pulled at the UN.
 
2013-11-12 01:19:23 AM

rebelyell2006: Clemkadidlefark: nickdaisy: I think Dubya and Cheney should be required to be present 24/7 to remove and replace flags so as to allow for efficient mowing. To make certain they stay warm, they can add ear muffs to their dunce caps.

Do you really want to engage which President has had more men killed in Service on his watch?

Abraham Lincoln?


yep. Another damned Republican.
 
2013-11-12 01:26:54 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Is nothing trivial?


I'm offended by that comment, you should be banned for making it.

STOP BEING SO OFFENSIVE!
 
2013-11-12 01:31:42 AM

lordargent: he just lives a few block away, so she would go up there every evening, every day ... she even knew when the mowing schedule was.

So it sounds like the issue the cemetery has is that people leave the flags and that makes it harder to mow the lawns.

And, it seems like he's implying that she goes there every day and knows when they're going to mow (and thus removes the flag).

If that's the case, then the dude that's complaining better start visiting more than once a week if he wants the same sort of exception.


Exactly.

Exceptions are made for people who do something to warrant the exceptions--in this case, a woman willing to go the extra step and accommodate the mowing schedule which accommodates her ability to keep her flag up year-round. I daresay that when she stops moving her flag on mowing days, the exception will end.

If you want an exception made for you for ANY reason, then you must do something in return to accommodate the person or entity who has granted you that exception.
 
2013-11-12 01:40:34 AM

Gyrfalcon: lordargent: he just lives a few block away, so she would go up there every evening, every day ... she even knew when the mowing schedule was.

So it sounds like the issue the cemetery has is that people leave the flags and that makes it harder to mow the lawns.

And, it seems like he's implying that she goes there every day and knows when they're going to mow (and thus removes the flag).

If that's the case, then the dude that's complaining better start visiting more than once a week if he wants the same sort of exception.

Exactly.

Exceptions are made for people who do something to warrant the exceptions--in this case, a woman willing to go the extra step and accommodate the mowing schedule which accommodates her ability to keep her flag up year-round. I daresay that when she stops moving her flag on mowing days, the exception will end.

If you want an exception made for you for ANY reason, then you must do something in return to accommodate the person or entity who has granted you that exception.


Might that offering include an interpretive dance and some sweet chipotle beef jerky?
 
2013-11-12 02:09:13 AM

tuna fingers: There was a group requesting that Christmas wreaths be placed on every marker during December at Fort Bliss National Cemetery. This small group led by a woman whose father was buried there was trying to raise 10k for this endeavor. Obviously some people had a problem with this. Naturally the woman that instigated this was so shocked and upset that people didn't understand how beautiful it would be come Christmastime. In the end, I felt sorry for this misguided woman.


It's gonna take a lot more than christmas wreaths to make Fort Bliss look beautiful. Frankly, I don't think it could be done at any price.
 
2013-11-12 02:18:07 AM
Good job Subby and Fark belittling Veterans.
 
2013-11-12 02:21:43 AM
Am I the only one that thinks it's morbid to visit any grave daily?  If you are religious then the body there is just a shell.  If you aren't religious then it's just a body.  How can a person heal when they reopen the wound every single day?
 
2013-11-12 02:46:55 AM

Billy Bathsalt: Is nothing trivial?


Not to people who fetishize dead bodies.
 
2013-11-12 02:49:43 AM

Gyrfalcon: lordargent: he just lives a few block away, so she would go up there every evening, every day ... she even knew when the mowing schedule was.

So it sounds like the issue the cemetery has is that people leave the flags and that makes it harder to mow the lawns.

And, it seems like he's implying that she goes there every day and knows when they're going to mow (and thus removes the flag).

If that's the case, then the dude that's complaining better start visiting more than once a week if he wants the same sort of exception.

Exactly.

Exceptions are made for people who do something to warrant the exceptions--in this case, a woman willing to go the extra step and accommodate the mowing schedule which accommodates her ability to keep her flag up year-round. I daresay that when she stops moving her flag on mowing days, the exception will end.

If you want an exception made for you for ANY reason, then you must do something in return to accommodate the person or entity who has granted you that exception.


I always have my family buried right up the street. It has flush mounted stones, but it more important that's it's close. Yeah, they are easier to mow, but the downside is the grass and dirt settle in the gravestone lettering, which doesn't happen in an upright. I go up with cleaning stuff a few times a year and clean my daughters stone, then end up doing all her neighbors stones, too. It's amazing the money people put into elaborate artwork on these things, then never go back; old sun bleached toys and pieces of mylar balloons being the testament of their families love - and there are row upon row like this. One little boy still has a paper marker from 15 years ago; maybe the family moved away or died, maybe they can't deal with it. I've thought about just paying for one lots of times.

Awesome history up there and it's fun to walk around and see some of the older ones. There's one infant that died in the 30's whose headstone is as clean as the day it was put in. Some family member has been regularly going up there and cleaning house for decades - exceptions are a good thing.

Personally, I want to go across town and have a big marker. I should just buy the one I want now - stick it in the front yard as a lawn ornament, facing away from the street.  I can see the kids shopping for the cheapest concrete POS they can find - cinder block with sharpie lettering.
 
2013-11-12 02:54:16 AM
I like how waterhead Farkers turned this discussion about grave sites into shallow left/right politics.
 
2013-11-12 03:07:33 AM
what an asshole

/insightful
 
2013-11-12 03:09:19 AM
This is why I'm being cremated. Who needs this when you can just have you ashes go missing from out of your luggage?
 
2013-11-12 03:15:13 AM

cptjeff: fusillade762: Couldn't this problem be solved by simply mounting the flags on the headstones?

No, because this looks to be one of those places that requires everything be flush to the ground so they can just go drive around with the riding mower without a second thought. If you're going to plant me on one of those, stop and throw me in a river instead.

Seriously, I love old graveyards with vaults, monuments, and beautifully carved and varied gravestones. Everybody getting the same 2'x1' flush to the ground slab in the exact same style- bleh. The banality is awful, the the graveyard just becomes a giant ugly field. Graveyards can be lovely places, but those industrial planting grounds, not so much.


Why would you care? You'd be dead.
 
2013-11-12 03:17:53 AM

Jesda: I like how waterhead Farkers turned this discussion about grave sites into shallow left/right politics.


You can't rule a society unless you control it. To control it you must divide it, while owning both sides of the coin. It helps when human nature works with it. Football, basketball, baseball; all have two teams competing and we eat that up. Politics has two main parties for a reason, and people resist more parties for a reason, too - it's natural. People love to support their team, there would be less issue with people identifying themselves by their political party in posts if the parties would just have some jackets and hats made up to sell at inflated prices. You might see that the two parties belong to the same association, like the NBA. Most people don't. People are shallow, so dig graves deep out of guilt and denial.

And then there's Nascar.
 
2013-11-12 03:25:57 AM

Notabunny: fta The thing is, cemetery staff made an exception for one family and that didn't sit well

Do they have a flag?

[img.photobucket.com image 640x360]


what are you on about, i don't need a flag, i'm BURIED here!
no flag, no gravesite, you can't have one...
 
2013-11-12 03:48:05 AM

Clemkadidlefark: nickdaisy: I think Dubya and Cheney should be required to be present 24/7 to remove and replace flags so as to allow for efficient mowing. To make certain they stay warm, they can add ear muffs to their dunce caps.

Do you really want to engage which President has had more men killed in Service on his watch?


How about how many killed over a bullshiat lie? Nam presidents would win of course.
 
2013-11-12 04:05:41 AM
Few things puzzle me more about humanity than cemeteries--the idea of burying the dead, and all of the taboos and customs that go along with it.
 
2013-11-12 04:28:56 AM

adeist69: fusillade762: Couldn't this problem be solved by simply mounting the flags on the headstones?

That was my thought too, would be cool if monument makers provided an option free of charge for the fallen and veterans. Something like an insert
mounted into the top that could be capped, or the cap removed to allow a small flag to be inserted. The insert would keep water from working it's way into
the stone and installed with a waterproof adhesive.


Better yet, put the port in, then drill a small hole angled upwards to intercept with the bottom of the port.  Hit the whole thing up with some sort of long-lasting sealant.

Of course, this is all moot if it's really one of those 'flat markers only' cemetaries.  My vote is to cremate me before you do that.  Keep a bit in an urn in the house if you want to 'visit'.
 
2013-11-12 04:58:43 AM

Kibbler: Few things puzzle me more about humanity than cemeteries--the idea of burying the dead, and all of the taboos and customs that go along with it.


I'd say it's fairly easy to get one's head around how some of these rites started. Imagine you're living in a fledgling society. Somebody dies. You can't very well leave them laying around in the middle of your camp. It starts to rot and smell bad. maybe if you're in a coastal area, you throw it in the ocean, but if you're land locked the easiest way to get rid of it is to stick it under ground. Then, people started tying the practice to religion and tradition in order to convince the next generation to do it. After all, spirituality and religion in ancient times were basically used as a didactic tool.

Stretch that out over a few generations and suddenly you've got taboos and customs, and more and more rules sprouting up around it.
 
2013-11-12 05:09:13 AM
Damn GOAs!
 
2013-11-12 05:43:10 AM
www.8cpassport.com

ARE YOU OKAY, HEADLINE?  HEADLINE? DIS IS ARTICLE.
 
2013-11-12 05:45:07 AM

Sweet Zombi Jesus: Am I the only one that thinks it's morbid to visit any grave daily?  If you are religious then the body there is just a shell.  If you aren't religious then it's just a body.  How can a person heal when they reopen the wound every single day?


Speaking as someone who just lost his dad (to Vietnam connected ALS), it helps sometimes to go to the gravesite, just to talk. I know that my dad is gone and child's not possibly care less about anything I have to say, given his current condition; it's cathartic to me.
 
2013-11-12 06:03:43 AM
Last I heard, subby, Grandparents would be considered relatives.
 
2013-11-12 06:05:22 AM
I want to be mummified with GI Joe Kung Fu Grip. Put the flag in my hand. Just take the "thing" teenages will undoubtedly leave, first.
 
2013-11-12 06:09:33 AM

joeshill: rebelyell2006: Clemkadidlefark: nickdaisy: I think Dubya and Cheney should be required to be present 24/7 to remove and replace flags so as to allow for efficient mowing. To make certain they stay warm, they can add ear muffs to their dunce caps.

Do you really want to engage which President has had more men killed in Service on his watch?

Abraham Lincoln?

yep. Another damned Republican.


The last one to be against slavery, too.
 
2013-11-12 06:12:04 AM
farking Swype... "child's"= "could"
 
2013-11-12 06:12:59 AM
Cremate me and spread my ashes in the mountains. No material who or what you where, you return to the earth. A memory is worth more than any gravestone.
/coffee, mainlining it!
 
2013-11-12 06:13:45 AM
FTA: "If you're gonna make an exception for somebody," Shields agreed, "you need to make an exception for everybody."

ummm.....
 
2013-11-12 07:00:00 AM
Competitive grieving. Nice.

See also: Roadside memorials and back window stickers.
 
2013-11-12 07:01:56 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: "If you're gonna make an exception for somebody," Shields agreed, "you need to make an exception for everybody."

ummm.....


Came here to point that out. If you did that, it wouldn't be an exception anymore.
 
2013-11-12 07:11:04 AM

nickdaisy: I think Dubya and Cheney should be required to be present 24/7 to remove and replace flags so as to allow for efficient mowing. To make certain they stay warm, they can add ear muffs to their dunce caps.


No. Their ears they keep and I'll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing their evilness will be theirs to cherish.
 
2013-11-12 07:32:49 AM

Gyrfalcon: lordargent: he just lives a few block away, so she would go up there every evening, every day ... she even knew when the mowing schedule was.

So it sounds like the issue the cemetery has is that people leave the flags and that makes it harder to mow the lawns.

And, it seems like he's implying that she goes there every day and knows when they're going to mow (and thus removes the flag).

If that's the case, then the dude that's complaining better start visiting more than once a week if he wants the same sort of exception.

Exactly.

Exceptions are made for people who do something to warrant the exceptions--in this case, a woman willing to go the extra step and accommodate the mowing schedule which accommodates her ability to keep her flag up year-round. I daresay that when she stops moving her flag on mowing days, the exception will end.

If you want an exception made for you for ANY reason, then you must do something in return to accommodate the person or entity who has granted you that exception.


Stop being reasonable.
 
2013-11-12 07:37:16 AM
They probably envision something like this -

img.photobucket.com

Not yours.
 
2013-11-12 07:42:07 AM

PunkTiger: HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: "If you're gonna make an exception for somebody," Shields agreed, "you need to make an exception for everybody."

ummm.....

Came here to point that out. If you did that, it wouldn't be an exception anymore.


thirded.

Someone doesn't understand how exceptions work.
 
2013-11-12 07:52:17 AM

MythDragon: PunkTiger: HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: "If you're gonna make an exception for somebody," Shields agreed, "you need to make an exception for everybody."

ummm.....

Came here to point that out. If you did that, it wouldn't be an exception anymore.

thirded.

Someone doesn't understand how exceptions work.


Hmmm, everyone having an equal opportunity. Yep, sounds like Socialism to me!
 
2013-11-12 08:13:54 AM

lordargent: he just lives a few block away, so she would go up there every evening, every day ... she even knew when the mowing schedule was.

So it sounds like the issue the cemetery has is that people leave the flags and that makes it harder to mow the lawns.

And, it seems like he's implying that she goes there every day and knows when they're going to mow (and thus removes the flag).

If that's the case, then the dude that's complaining better start visiting more than once a week if he wants the same sort of exception.


^This.  Flags can get in the way of mowing, thus the cemetery sets its guidelines.  One person is willing to visit every day to 1) keep a flag at her grandson's grave and 2)makes sure that flag doesn't interfere with the cemetery's mowing.  If you're not willing and/or able to go to your relative's grave every day and take responsibility for keeping that flag at the site, while not interfering with cemetery operations, you can't really complain here.

This isn't so much an exception as a condition.  The grandmother is allowed to keep a flag at the grave on the condition it doesn't interfere with cemetery operations.
 
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