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2013-11-11 08:02:48 PM
Well, they both produce the same results these days.
 
2013-11-11 08:15:40 PM
I didn't read TFA, but I'm guessing that a big part of the problem now is that quirky, stupid writing prompts are what now pass as a measure for intelligence on the part of the lemmings who staff admissions offices.
 
2013-11-11 08:27:39 PM
It's really not that complicated. For most decent schools it's ACT/SAT scores and a decent high school GPA. For a few elite schools it is more competitive and you need impressive extracurricular acitivities and references, or rich parents. For all the rest the only question is if your check will clear.

Unless you are good at shooting baskets or running fast with a football, then it's a free ride.
 
2013-11-11 09:16:58 PM

revrendjim: It's really not that complicated. For most decent schools it's ACT/SAT scores and a decent high school GPA. For a few elite schools it is more competitive and you need impressive extracurricular acitivities and references, or rich parents. For all the rest the only question is if your check will clear.


In Illinois, clout will get you in.

As someone who recently applied for and was accepted into a two-year degree/certificate program in an allied healthcare profession, I find the notion that the typical undergraduate admissions process is "convoluted" to be laughable.  If you're having trouble getting accepted into a four-year college/university (finances notwithstanding), you don't belong in one.
 
2013-11-11 09:27:18 PM
Try applying for medical school, that's even more fun.
 
2013-11-11 09:29:21 PM
'What Does #YOLO Mean to You?'

To me it means if you use it out loud you need to be punched in the dick.
 
2013-11-11 09:30:53 PM

Fark It: revrendjim: It's really not that complicated. For most decent schools it's ACT/SAT scores and a decent high school GPA. For a few elite schools it is more competitive and you need impressive extracurricular acitivities and references, or rich parents. For all the rest the only question is if your check will clear.

In Illinois, clout will get you in.

As someone who recently applied for and was accepted into a two-year degree/certificate program in an allied healthcare profession, I find the notion that the typical undergraduate admissions process is "convoluted" to be laughable.  If you're having trouble getting accepted into a four-year college/university (finances notwithstanding), you don't belong in one.


This.  As someone currently undergoing the med school application process, applying to undergrad was a cakewalk.  If you're not able to get in somewhere, then maybe college isn't for you.
 
2013-11-11 09:30:53 PM

revrendjim: It's really not that complicated. For most decent schools it's ACT/SAT scores and a decent high school GPA. For a few elite schools it is more competitive and you need impressive extracurricular acitivities and references, or rich parents. For all the rest the only question is if your check will clear.


That was my experience at our public university system...tho to tell the truth "that" was 40-some years ago. Did I have a "B" average and an SAT of 900 or better? Did I have cash or a check for $88 per quarter tuition? Yer in!

Of course, they weren't afraid to flunk you out then, either...
 
2013-11-11 09:31:32 PM
Education is just an industry like any another, designed to maximize profit. In this case, the market is limited to young people, but oh boy can they play the system.

studentloancrisis.files.wordpress.com


Now that employers demand bachelor's degrees for any kind of work in an office, the universities can leverage that into turning public government loans into their private profit.

Funny how university is all about learning, do you feel like you live in a society that's run by educated intelligent people?

Or puppets going through the motions?
 
2013-11-11 09:33:14 PM

Pocket Ninja: stupid writing prompts

revrendjim: For most decent schools it's ACT/SAT scores and a decent high school GPA. For a few elite schools it is more competitive and you need impressive extracurricular acitivities and references

Fark It: In Illinois, clout will get you in.


Yes, very nice.  These things are true, yet not a good perception of how to get in.  I just want to give some insight into the application/acceptance process in case anyone in HS or with a HS kid reads this.

There are thousands of spaces and tens of thousands of applicants.  There is just no way admissions people can read them all.  There is a first cut and that first cut is numbers - GPA/ACT/SAT.  But that cut is a bare minimum cut, much lower than you think.  It's not a straight numbers game.  Many slots are kept open for people who have numbers below the usual range except they have life situations that demand flexibility.  There are slots for people who performed like shiat in high school but they have a very specific and exceptional reason why college will be different.  There are slots open for kids who write an essay that just screams hey, I'm a smart good kid, give me a shot.

Numbers are the best way to get in to college.  But they are not the only way.  When you answer the questions on college applications, the readers read the canned responses dozens of times every day.  If you're hoping to get in, go with honesty, that will set you apart.
 
2013-11-11 09:35:32 PM
College is bullshiat now.

/Senior in college
//One more semester and I'm out that motherfarker
 
2013-11-11 09:35:35 PM

siva: Try applying for medical school, that's even more fun.


There is nothing else in the entire world that compares to applying to medical school.  There is no comparison and nothing worse.  Either you have gone through it or you are clueless.
 
2013-11-11 09:37:06 PM

lennavan: siva: Try applying for medical school, that's even more fun.

There is nothing else in the entire world that compares to applying to medical school.  There is no comparison and nothing worse.  Either you have gone through it or you are clueless.


It's not that bad, no one is hooking a car battery to genitalia or anything... I don't think there are too many application processes much worse.
 
2013-11-11 09:40:22 PM

CreativeFarkHandle: Fark It: revrendjim: It's really not that complicated. For most decent schools it's ACT/SAT scores and a decent high school GPA. For a few elite schools it is more competitive and you need impressive extracurricular acitivities and references, or rich parents. For all the rest the only question is if your check will clear.

In Illinois, clout will get you in.

As someone who recently applied for and was accepted into a two-year degree/certificate program in an allied healthcare profession, I find the notion that the typical undergraduate admissions process is "convoluted" to be laughable.  If you're having trouble getting accepted into a four-year college/university (finances notwithstanding), you don't belong in one.

This.  As someone currently undergoing the med school application process, applying to undergrad was a cakewalk.  If you're not able to get in somewhere, then maybe college isn't for you.


I volunteered at a hospital with one teenager who was doing it to apply to medical school.  The minimum to be considered was only 80 hours.  I wish I could have taken a picture of his face when I told him how many hours I was going to have under my belt when I applied for my two-year program.

But yeah, I can't imagine what it's like for you guys, but then again, you're going to be doctors, lives are at stake.....
 
2013-11-11 09:43:22 PM
Your mom goes to college
 
2013-11-11 09:45:31 PM
From 4 years ago:

* Some schools want a GPA and an SAT.  If you meet the numbers, then you're in.
* Most schools (that I was applying to with a 2260 SAT, 33 ACT, and 3.9/4.0 GPA) wanted an essay or three (And there's nothing more fun than writing the "diversity essay" that's the result of Bakke as a white male), a couple of recommendations, and some extracurriculars.
* A very, very few wanted an interview
* There's also the game that you have to play where schools don't want to waste acceptances (because acceptance rate IS your US News score), so you should be seen at all the events and do campus tours (And honestly, you should do campus tours anyways since you're going to spend 4 years there)

/Didn't get into Yale and Stanford
//Couldn't afford the private schools even after financial aid
///Ended up at the state school an hour down the road.
 
2013-11-11 09:45:37 PM

lennavan: siva: Try applying for medical school, that's even more fun.

There is nothing else in the entire world that compares to applying to medical school.  There is no comparison and nothing worse.  Either you have gone through it or you are clueless.


It's the original dog and pony show.

/trained showdog
 
2013-11-11 09:46:47 PM
When I went to college as an undergraduate the application process went like this:

Enrollment counselor: What are your ACT scores?
Enrollment counselor: That's good enough. Name and address, please. Social security number please.
Enrollment counselor: Welcome to college, fill out these forms and send them in if you want FA.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2013-11-11 09:47:12 PM
FTFA
The modern-day Tufts application has come a long way from its roots in Latin and Greek examinations, but it recently asked applicants to consider some ancient Roman history in an application essay prompt: "The ancient Romans started it when they coined the phrase "Carpe diem." Jonathan Larson proclaimed "No day but today!" and most recently, Drake explained You Only Live Once (YOLO).  Have you ever seized the day? Lived like there was no tomorrow?  Or perhaps you plan to shout YOLO while jumping into something in the future. What does #YOLO mean to you?"

I can't tell if this makes me sad, or sick.
 
2013-11-11 09:48:49 PM
All this and the idiots still don't understand that they're responsible for student loan obligations
 
2013-11-11 09:50:00 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Education is just an industry like any another, designed to maximize profit. In this case, the market is limited to young people, but oh boy can they play the system.[studentloancrisis.files.wordpress.com image 252x1500]
Now that employers demand bachelor's degrees for any kind of work in an office, the universities can leverage that into turning public government loans into their private profit.

Funny how university is all about learning, do you feel like you live in a society that's run by educated intelligent people?

Or puppets going through the motions?


I'm either too old or too in debt to read that tiny infographic. Plz embiggen.
 
2013-11-11 09:50:50 PM

433: What does #YOLO mean to you?"


It means that's the good news.
 
2013-11-11 09:51:12 PM
Soon enough, Tufts' admission policy will be: "If any of you obese Gen-Zs can walk all the way up the hill to Tufts, we'll accept you."
 
2013-11-11 09:52:51 PM

lennavan: siva: Try applying for medical school, that's even more fun.

There is nothing else in the entire world that compares to applying to medical school.  There is no comparison and nothing worse.  Either you have gone through it or you are clueless.


Just wait until residency....
 
2013-11-11 09:53:04 PM

davin: Quantum Apostrophe: Education is just an industry like any another, designed to maximize profit. In this case, the market is limited to young people, but oh boy can they play the system.[studentloancrisis.files.wordpress.com image 252x1500]
Now that employers demand bachelor's degrees for any kind of work in an office, the universities can leverage that into turning public government loans into their private profit.

Funny how university is all about learning, do you feel like you live in a society that's run by educated intelligent people?

Or puppets going through the motions?

I'm either too old or too in debt to read that tiny infographic. Plz embiggen.


http://studentloancrisis.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/student-loan-sc he me.jpg
 
2013-11-11 09:57:59 PM
I'll admit that I only skimmed this one real fast, but the punchline of this article reeks of the sort of pointless bashing of youth culture that idle, stupid adults get up to when they find themselves both idle and stupid.
 
2013-11-11 09:58:33 PM

doyner: Well, they both produce the same results these days.


Ding ding ding!  Winner in aisle 1.
 
2013-11-11 09:58:52 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: http://studentloancrisis.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/student-loan-sc he me.jpg


Thanks
 
2013-11-11 09:59:22 PM

lennavan: There are thousands of spaces and tens of thousands of applicants.  There is just no way admissions people can read them all.  There is a first cut and that first cut is numbers - GPA/ACT/SAT.  But that cut is a bare minimum cut, much lower than you think.  It's not a straight numbers game.  Many slots are kept open for people who have numbers below the usual range except they have life situations that demand flexibility.  There are slots for people who performed like shiat in high school but they have a very specific and exceptional reason why college will be different.  There are slots open for kids who write an essay that just screams hey, I'm a smart good kid, give me a shot.

Numbers are the best way to get in to college.  But they are not the only way.  When you answer the questions on college applications, the readers read the canned responses dozens of times every day.  If you're hoping to get in, go with honesty, that will set you apart


there's also a good amount of admissions seats for out of state and international students who qualify for federal aid and dont quite grasp what $35,000/yr actually translates to.
 
2013-11-11 10:00:00 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: College is bullshiat now.

/Senior in college
//One more semester and I'm out that motherfarker


College is entirely what you make of it.
 
2013-11-11 10:00:09 PM

davin: lennavan: siva: Try applying for medical school, that's even more fun.

There is nothing else in the entire world that compares to applying to medical school.  There is no comparison and nothing worse.  Either you have gone through it or you are clueless.

Just wait until residency....


CRY MOAR!
 
2013-11-11 10:00:32 PM

o5iiawah: there's also a good amount of admissions seats for out of state and international students who qualify for federal aid and dont quite grasp what $35,000/yr actually translates to.


There are very few public schools that charge that much, and there are very few private schools that give a shiat where you're from in terms of the cost.
 
2013-11-11 10:02:55 PM

davin: lennavan: siva: Try applying for medical school, that's even more fun.

There is nothing else in the entire world that compares to applying to medical school.  There is no comparison and nothing worse.  Either you have gone through it or you are clueless.

Just wait until residency....


Classic dr mentality

Yes, you are just that important
 
pla
2013-11-11 10:06:56 PM
433: What does #YOLO mean to you?

It means "You've asked a question to which you have effectively required me to lie, because if YOLO actually meant anything to me (with or without the obnoxious hashtag), you wouldn't find me having wasted the past 12 years of irrecoverable life by memorizing useless trivia or writing bullshiat essays to try to convince you I won't turn into a complete slut/party animal six months from now".

/ Truth in advertising.
// Don't ask, don't tell.
 
2013-11-11 10:08:36 PM
As businesses were forbidden from using IQ tests to screen applicants, they shifted to a college degree.  It's the only non-racist defense they can offer anymore for not hiring somebody.  For their part, colleges were given unlimited free money from the government, so they created all sorts of bullshiat majors to keep people enrolled- $YOUNAMEIT Studies and so on.  We've also opened the floodgates on H1-B people from largely inferior foreign schools.  More and more, STEM-type businesses in my neck of the woods are requiring a Masters to screen out inferior Bachelors.
 
2013-11-11 10:09:23 PM

LandOfChocolate: davin: lennavan: siva: Try applying for medical school, that's even more fun.

There is nothing else in the entire world that compares to applying to medical school.  There is no comparison and nothing worse.  Either you have gone through it or you are clueless.

Just wait until residency....

Classic dr mentality

Yes, you are just that important


Yes, you are part of the problem.  You have no friggin'  clue.

/Not a Dr.
//Knows a guy
 
2013-11-11 10:15:00 PM

lennavan: siva: Try applying for medical school, that's even more fun.

There is nothing else in the entire world that compares to applying to medical school.  There is no comparison and nothing worse.  Either you have gone through it or you are clueless.


Residency applications were pretty nasty too. I did it when they still had the scramble. I dodged that bullet thankfully but you could see the sheer panic in the streets of NYC near any teaching hospital during that week.
 
2013-11-11 10:16:17 PM
I'd love to see George W. Bush's YOLO application essay to Yale.

It'd be the only one worth reading.
 
2013-11-11 10:17:10 PM

worlddan: When I went to college as an undergraduate the application process went like this:

Enrollment counselor: What are your ACT scores?
Enrollment counselor: That's good enough. Name and address, please. Social security number please.
Enrollment counselor: Welcome to college, fill out these forms and send them in if you want FA.


My mother had a simpler one. She was at a college fair, and gave her PSAT score to the guy at the USC booth (South Carolina, not So. Cal). A couple weeks later, she received a letter of admission to the honors program. Guess what school she didn't go to...

Her dad said she was only there because the boy was cute, and she concedes that point. Wound up at UVA undergrad, Northwestern for her MBA, where she met a med student...

I don't have any amusing stories about the process. I applied to good schools that were tailored to what I was looking for, no real reach schools, one safety. Got into everything, got scholarships to most. I probably could have gotten into an ivy or something, but I wouldn't have been able to get money from them, so I wouldn't have gone anyway.
 
2013-11-11 10:17:33 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: College is bullshiat now.

/Senior in college
//One more semester and I'm out that motherfarker

College is entirely what you make of it.


you really can't put a price on that college trim
 
2013-11-11 10:20:00 PM

Pocket Ninja: I didn't read TFA, but I'm guessing that a big part of the problem now is that quirky, stupid writing prompts are what now pass as a measure for intelligence on the part of the lemmings who staff admissions offices.


Fifteen years or so ago, I was such a lemming, so I'm getting a kick out of your reply.

Actually, that's not true--I was totally trolled by that (HURRR UR JUST JELLY CUZ UR SNOFLAKE GOT WL'D, etc.). Credit where it's due.

I worked for a pretty good school, small enough that we interviewed about half our applicants, and had the luxury of actually thinking about what they sent into us. I'm not saying we were a bunch of Rhodes Scholars, but if I was any dumber at the end of the work day, it was a contact high from the potent stupid I was exposed to from some of those files. I can only imagine what it's like now.
 
2013-11-11 10:20:19 PM
I have a CSB on this:

Applied to two schools:
1. Penn State: My top choice, because it has one of the top programs in the country for what I was going to study. Penn State also had rolling admission, which meant that I would hear back from them early.
2. University of Maryland: My state school, and only as a backup. They had a two-part application (Part 1 was transcript/SAT/etc, Part 2 was essays).

I filled out the PSU application (essay was optional, but I did it anyway because I really wanted to go there) and Part 1 of the UMD application. I soon hear back from PSU (accepted), so I don't bother filling out Part 2 for UMD.

Flash forward a few months... I get a big fat envelope saying I got accepted into UMD despite the fact that I did not do half of their application!
I call up UMD's admission office and ask if there was a mistake. They say there was no mistake, and my admission offer was valid.

In other words, UMD only admitted me based off my (very good) SAT scores and transcript. So the whole thing is a load of shiat

/CSB
 
2013-11-11 10:22:01 PM

doyner: CRY MOAR!


I will! now.....
 
2013-11-11 10:24:30 PM

hershy799: Applied to two schools:
1. Penn State: My top choice, because it has one of the top programs in the country for what I was going to study.


Lemme guess...Phys Ed...? ;^)
 
2013-11-11 10:25:24 PM

davin: doyner: CRY MOAR!

I will! now.....


BTW, that Penn beer looked a lot like Guinness...  High-cal, low alcohol.  Try harder.
 
2013-11-11 10:26:04 PM

Stone Meadow: hershy799: Applied to two schools:
1. Penn State: My top choice, because it has one of the top programs in the country for what I was going to study.

Lemme guess...Phys Ed...? ;^)


Pediatrics?
 
2013-11-11 10:28:07 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: College is bullshiat now.

/Senior in college
//One more semester and I'm out that motherfarker

College is entirely what you make of it.


Yeah...no it isn't...
 
2013-11-11 10:28:58 PM

doyner: davin: doyner: CRY MOAR!

I will! now.....

BTW, that Penn beer looked a lot like Guinness...  High-cal, low alcohol.  Try harder.


I was referring to the yuengling...
 
2013-11-11 10:28:59 PM

Doom MD: lennavan: siva: Try applying for medical school, that's even more fun.

There is nothing else in the entire world that compares to applying to medical school.  There is no comparison and nothing worse.  Either you have gone through it or you are clueless.

Residency applications were pretty nasty too. I did it when they still had the scramble. I dodged that bullet thankfully but you could see the sheer panic in the streets of NYC near any teaching hospital during that week.


I'd say residency was worse than the med school interviews. If push came to shove, you always could go DO or Caribbean for med school, there was always that outlet. In residency, it's match, scramble, or die.

Fun times were had when interviewers would openly ask where I was going to rank their program. They're not supposed to ask that, and we're not supposed to ask where they'd rank us. It didn't stop every single program I interviewed with from asking. I never lied, at least not openly. They all were "I'm still figuring out the exact order, but this program may end up quite high".

/ Applied 44
// Interviewed 17
/// Ranked 8
//// Got into #8
 
2013-11-11 10:30:54 PM

davin: doyner: davin: doyner: CRY MOAR!

I will! now.....

BTW, that Penn beer looked a lot like Guinness...  High-cal, low alcohol.  Try harder.

I was referring to the yuengling...


Ah.

/got nuthin'
 
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