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(NJ.com)   Why mix scalding hot water + epsom salt + rubbing alcohol + a rubber suit + a credit card? If you're an MMA fighter, it's just another day at the office   (videos.nj.com) divider line 44
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2013-11-11 04:17:15 PM  
Actually these techniques were all pioneered by college wrestling and to a lesser extent boxing at the lower weight divisions.
 
2013-11-11 04:27:16 PM  

One Bad Apple: Actually these techniques were all pioneered by college wrestling and to a lesser extent boxing at the lower weight divisions.


I did the same as a weightlifter, until I was in the Super Heavyweight class, where you want to gain weight rather than lose it.  My way was meat and eggs, 0 carbs + hot bath + rubber suit + exercise bike, repeat all night until weigh-in.  I never did rubbing alcohol, and what's with the card instead of a towel?
 
2013-11-11 04:30:45 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope:

what's with the card instead of a towel?


Improvised skin squeegee. More efficient than a towel supposedly especially if you're using it in the sauna. To me it looks like begging for a staph infection.
 
2013-11-11 04:32:33 PM  
I was soaking my feet in epsom salts the other day when I read the directions on the side of the box.  Horrifying.

And taking a bath in hot isopropyl is a good way to inhale enough fumes for a toxic dose.
 
2013-11-11 04:36:10 PM  

One Bad Apple: More efficient than a towel supposedly especially if you're using it in the sauna


If find that trying to dry myself off in the sauna is a bit like trying to dry myself when under the shower or in the hot tub.
 
2013-11-11 04:44:27 PM  

One Bad Apple: Benevolent Misanthrope:

what's with the card instead of a towel?

Improvised skin squeegee. More efficient than a towel supposedly especially if you're using it in the sauna. To me it looks like begging for a staph infection.


Yeah, I get the squeegee effect, but how is that more effective than a towel?  The point is to sweat out as much water as possible.  In my case, also to pee out as much water as possible, hence the extremely low carb diet for two days, since diuretics would show up in a drug test.  Also, WTF is with the alcohol in the bath?
 
2013-11-11 05:13:12 PM  
The guy seems like a self-absorbed douche.

Anyway, if the goal is to sweat out some water weight, why doesn't he just get on the treadmill or the bike for an hour or two? I realize it's a lot less dramatic and attention whorish but it would work and also help his conditioning.
 
2013-11-11 05:44:47 PM  

Barfmaker: The guy seems like a self-absorbed douche.

Anyway, if the goal is to sweat out some water weight, why doesn't he just get on the treadmill or the bike for an hour or two? I realize it's a lot less dramatic and attention whorish but it would work and also help his conditioning.


I see the whole hot bath/rubber suit thing, I did it, too.  I have no idea what the alcohol is for.  The credit card squeegee seems weird to me.

Every athlete is a self-absorbed douche the night before a competition.  I'm sure if someone who didn't know me had seen me the night before a big lift, they would say the same thing.  You have to get your head in the game and completely concentrated on doing whatever you need to do for your pre-game routine.  If you're serious, the last 12-24 hours before game time is all about getting ready for the competition.  If I had a weigh-in at 7:00 AM, my pre-game started the day before.  Low salt protein, all day long.  30 minutes of sprint biking in the rubber suit, every 3 hours.  At 4:00PM, put a space heater in the bathroom and take a hot bath, as hot as I could stand.  Eat a steak (unsalted) in the bath.  When the water temp reaches 100, keep letting out water a bit and refilling a bit until the hot water runs out.  Then dry off, put on the rubber suit, and start the bike again, slower pace, an hour on and an hour off.  The hour off was spent in the bathroom (heater still on), reading or whatever.  Keep this up until time for bed.  6 hours sleep max, rising at the latest moment possible to still make weigh-in.  After weigh-in, EAT.  And drink pedialyte to replace the fluids.  And take a nap.

The only cool thing about making into Super Heavyweight was that I didn't have to do that stuff any more, at least not to the same degree.  I still dehydrated before meets, but I wasn't trying to make the next lower class.
 
2013-11-11 05:53:34 PM  

Barfmaker: why doesn't he just get on the treadmill or the bike for an hour or two?


Because that's not as effective.
 
2013-11-11 06:17:53 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Barfmaker: The guy seems like a self-absorbed douche.

Anyway, if the goal is to sweat out some water weight, why doesn't he just get on the treadmill or the bike for an hour or two? I realize it's a lot less dramatic and attention whorish but it would work and also help his conditioning.

I see the whole hot bath/rubber suit thing, I did it, too.  I have no idea what the alcohol is for.  The credit card squeegee seems weird to me.

Every athlete is a self-absorbed douche the night before a competition.  I'm sure if someone who didn't know me had seen me the night before a big lift, they would say the same thing.  You have to get your head in the game and completely concentrated on doing whatever you need to do for your pre-game routine.  If you're serious, the last 12-24 hours before game time is all about getting ready for the competition.  If I had a weigh-in at 7:00 AM, my pre-game started the day before.  Low salt protein, all day long.  30 minutes of sprint biking in the rubber suit, every 3 hours.  At 4:00PM, put a space heater in the bathroom and take a hot bath, as hot as I could stand.  Eat a steak (unsalted) in the bath.  When the water temp reaches 100, keep letting out water a bit and refilling a bit until the hot water runs out.  Then dry off, put on the rubber suit, and start the bike again, slower pace, an hour on and an hour off.  The hour off was spent in the bathroom (heater still on), reading or whatever.  Keep this up until time for bed.  6 hours sleep max, rising at the latest moment possible to still make weigh-in.  After weigh-in, EAT.  And drink pedialyte to replace the fluids.  And take a nap.

The only cool thing about making into Super Heavyweight was that I didn't have to do that stuff any more, at least not to the same degree.  I still dehydrated before meets, but I wasn't trying to make the next lower class.


Huh, thanks for the info, I found it interesting.
 
2013-11-11 06:23:14 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: The only cool thing about making into Super Heavyweight was that I didn't have to do that stuff any more, at least not to the same degree. I still dehydrated before meets, but I wasn't trying to make the next lower class.


You sound like a powerlifter. Or, at least, your routine sounds similar (if a bit more dramatic) to my own when I'm going into a meet and need to cut a bit of weight.

That said, I'm done dropping weight classes. I'm not SHW, but I'm done with cutting more than, say, 5lbs. from walk-around weight before a meet. Eff that noise.
 
2013-11-11 06:31:05 PM  

TwistedIvory: Benevolent Misanthrope: The only cool thing about making into Super Heavyweight was that I didn't have to do that stuff any more, at least not to the same degree. I still dehydrated before meets, but I wasn't trying to make the next lower class.

You sound like a powerlifter. Or, at least, your routine sounds similar (if a bit more dramatic) to my own when I'm going into a meet and need to cut a bit of weight.

That said, I'm done dropping weight classes. I'm not SHW, but I'm done with cutting more than, say, 5lbs. from walk-around weight before a meet. Eff that noise.


Yeah, the steak thing was a dead giveaway, wasn't it?

I tried and tried to not get more than 7 pounds into a class, but it just doesn't work that way.  I could drop a good 10, but Jesus, I'd be weak if I didn't have enough time between weigh-in and lifting to re-hydrate.
 
2013-11-11 09:50:46 PM  
what, no abolene to open the pores?
 
2013-11-11 09:51:26 PM  
How much longer do you think they'll put up with making so much less than boxers?
 
2013-11-11 09:54:48 PM  

lacrossestar83: How much longer do you think they'll put up with making so much less than boxers?


Whatever the market will bare. There is certainly no shortage of wannabe MMA fighters here. In fact I would argue that boxing is gradually losing it's next generations of fighters because of it.
 
2013-11-11 10:09:17 PM  

One Bad Apple: lacrossestar83: How much longer do you think they'll put up with making so much less than boxers?

Whatever the market will bare. There is certainly no shortage of wannabe MMA fighters here. In fact I would argue that boxing is gradually losing it's next generations of fighters because of it.


Let's also not forget that when it comes to boxing there is a very short list of names making the 7-8 figure purses and the rest are lucky to pull in a couple grand.  Looking at the top tier in MMA(UFC), guys start around 4-5 K before bonuses and sponsors and can get into the 20-30K area for main card fights as they work their way up.  IMO both need to up their pay grades but right now UFC has the more enticing contracts for low to mid level fighters.
 
2013-11-11 10:13:33 PM  
Using the bathtub method you can drop a good 20lbs in 3 or so sessions if done correctly.

This guy was not doing it correctly.

But! if it works for him, whatever.
 
2013-11-11 10:17:19 PM  
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2013-11-11 10:18:00 PM  

Dude O Matic 5000: Using the bathtub method you can drop a good 20lbs in 3 or so sessions if done correctly.

This guy was not doing it correctly.

But! if it works for him, whatever.


IIRC there was one dude on TUF who cut nearly 10 pounds putting on the sweatsuit and playing ping pong for a few hours.  And then there was that "Darkness" dude from season 10 who sweated god knows how much off every training session.  Some dudes just leak easier than others.
 
2013-11-11 10:19:09 PM  

Flappyhead: Dude O Matic 5000: Using the bathtub method you can drop a good 20lbs in 3 or so sessions if done correctly.

This guy was not doing it correctly.

But! if it works for him, whatever.

IIRC there was one dude on TUF who cut nearly 10 pounds putting on the sweatsuit and playing ping pong for a few hours.  And then there was that "Darkness" dude from season 10 who sweated god knows how much off every training session.  Some dudes just leak easier than others.


And I used the word "dude" in every sentence there.  Maybe I should throw in some "Bros" next.
 
2013-11-11 10:19:16 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: [crippledsummer.files.wordpress.com image 400x300]


That was supposed to end up in the "Kellogg's UK apologises for "retweet this or the kid starves" social media campaign" thread. Still, it is amusing, is it not?
 
2013-11-11 10:34:06 PM  
how much could one of these guys lose, in 24 hours?  I did this once, to see if I could and lost 7.5 lbs doing the jogging in a sweatsuit and limiting eating.  what's the most someone can cut?
 
2013-11-11 10:56:53 PM  
So what does the epsom salt do? What was in the bottle he was pouring on himself?
 
2013-11-11 11:13:36 PM  

xiola: how much could one of these guys lose, in 24 hours?  I did this once, to see if I could and lost 7.5 lbs doing the jogging in a sweatsuit and limiting eating.  what's the most someone can cut?


I dunno how it works but there was a fat boy who for three weeks could not gain or lose any weight, until a new instructor came along - he lost 15 lbs in four days. Rubbing alcohol and a rubber suit is all i know, I worked out with a rubber suit once, I lost 4.85lbs in under 6 hours, however the changes to the human body will make up the severe loss of weight in no time, I had black rings under my eyes for a few weeks - literally I would be tired for days on end and unable to sustain any workout method until my body was actually able to recover from such an event.

I dunno if it differ from person to person, I was not a professional fighter, I did it for the fun of it, losing weight was just part of getting in shape for the time.
 
2013-11-12 12:21:09 AM  

xiola: how much could one of these guys lose, in 24 hours?  I did this once, to see if I could and lost 7.5 lbs doing the jogging in a sweatsuit and limiting eating.  what's the most someone can cut?


Some guys cut 20-30lbs.  Tim Kennedy recently said he walks around at 220lbs.  He fights at 185 but he usually diets down to 195~ before starting his cut.

Gleison Tibau is rumored to cut 30lbs to make 155.

Chael Sonnen was cutting from 215~ to make 185.

The bigger a guy is, the more he can cut.  Yes it's dangerous.  Doubly so if you do some retarded shiat like use dieuretics.
 
2013-11-12 01:39:14 AM  
On the wrestling team at HS, we would meet up the day before a match with full winter gear and a backpack laden with everything we could find, and do laps until the mat was drenched. Nothing like sweating through three pairs of socks to demonstrate your dedication to pretzeling a smaller guy.
 
2013-11-12 04:54:39 AM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:

 I still dehydrated before meets, but I wasn't trying to make the next lower class.

how does dehydration help performance?  i am just a curlbro
 
2013-11-12 05:58:47 AM  

Agarista: On the wrestling team at HS, we would meet up the day before a match with full winter gear and a backpack laden with everything we could find, and do laps until the mat was drenched. Nothing like sweating through three pairs of socks to demonstrate your dedication to pretzeling a smaller guy.


I think they should stop that weigh in crap and just do lots. A bantamweight vs Iron Mike would be glorious.
 
2013-11-12 07:22:59 AM  

lacrossestar83: How much longer do you think they'll put up with making so much less than boxers?


For starters, "they" don't. Not by a long shot. The bottom 98.5% of boxers make waaaayyyy less than their MMA counterparts, the next 1% are about even, and the top 2 guys (and sometimes their opponents) in boxing make waayyyyy more than their MMA counterparts (who still get 2-7 mil per fight if all sponsorships are counted, most UFC has ever paid a guy is about 5).
 
2013-11-12 08:39:30 AM  

xiola: how much could one of these guys lose, in 24 hours?  I did this once, to see if I could and lost 7.5 lbs doing the jogging in a sweatsuit and limiting eating.  what's the most someone can cut?


http://www.mmamania.com/2012/3/2/2839067/ufc-fx-2-weigh-in-results-t hi ago-alves-gains-30-pounds-three-hours-dolce-diet
 
2013-11-12 09:35:19 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I tried and tried to not get more than 7 pounds into a class, but it just doesn't work that way. I could drop a good 10, but Jesus, I'd be weak if I didn't have enough time between weigh-in and lifting to re-hydrate.


Last time I seriously cut weight was before a NASA world championship. I missed the 242.5 class by 1.5lb.
I was already shaky from dehydrating and not eating, but I needed to make weight so I did push-ups and such in the sauna for 20 minutes.

I came back and hit weight at 241.8, and was so fuzzy after that that even finding my Gatorade to drink was rough.

Since then I just kind of don't eat on the day of weigh-in and land close to wherever my walking-around weight is.

/apparently 265 for last Saturday's meet
 
2013-11-12 10:48:57 AM  

divgradcurl: Benevolent Misanthrope:

 I still dehydrated before meets, but I wasn't trying to make the next lower class.

how does dehydration help performance?  i am just a curlbro


Dehydration hurts performance. You dehydrate to weigh in lighter, so you can compete in a lower weight class and perhaps have an advantage over folks whose "walking around weight", i.e. normal weight, is in that class. You rehydrate immediately after weigh-in, and pray that you can get your muscles rehydrated in time to compete.
 
2013-11-12 11:08:19 AM  

Dude O Matic 5000: xiola: how much could one of these guys lose, in 24 hours?  I did this once, to see if I could and lost 7.5 lbs doing the jogging in a sweatsuit and limiting eating.  what's the most someone can cut?

Some guys cut 20-30lbs.  Tim Kennedy recently said he walks around at 220lbs.  He fights at 185 but he usually diets down to 195~ before starting his cut.

Gleison Tibau is rumored to cut 30lbs to make 155.

Chael Sonnen was cutting from 215~ to make 185.

The bigger a guy is, the more he can cut.  Yes it's dangerous.  Doubly so if you do some retarded shiat like use dieuretics.


Diuretic use is extremely common in bodybuilding though...it's falling out of fashion because of the dangers associated with it (diuretics are probably the most dangerous drugs in a bodybuilder's arsenal, outside of opiate painkillers and insulin). This article covers some of the more famous examples of diuretic problems (Paul Dillett freezing onstage at the 1994 Mr. Olympia, Mohammed Benazziza dying right after competition, etc.)
 
2013-11-12 11:09:10 AM  
Almost forgot Andreas Munzer
 
2013-11-12 12:03:30 PM  
This is why the weigh-in in such sports should happen as you enter the ring.

Problem solved.
 
2013-11-12 12:43:14 PM  

MugzyBrown: This is why the weigh-in in such sports should happen as you enter the ring.

Problem solved.


Absolutely. Severely dehydrated guys doing all they can to knock each other out before they both fall down from fatigue isn't dangerous at all!

/worst argument/suggestion by any sports fan ever, and you certainly ain't the first to say it
//weight cutting sucks, but the current sytem is the best, given the dangers related to the alternatives
 
2013-11-12 12:57:47 PM  

the biggest redneck here: MugzyBrown: This is why the weigh-in in such sports should happen as you enter the ring.

Problem solved.

Absolutely. Severely dehydrated guys doing all they can to knock each other out before they both fall down from fatigue isn't dangerous at all!

/worst argument/suggestion by any sports fan ever, and you certainly ain't the first to say it
//weight cutting sucks, but the current sytem is the best, given the dangers related to the alternatives


Well it's a 'real world' vs. 'rational world' argument.

I mean - what's the point of putting yourself through that regimen, given that the competition as doing the same thing?  So in all likelihood, you've still got 205 lb athletes fighting eachother, but you've had them jump through an unhealthy hoop to both 'weigh in' at 185.  So if everyone could be rational, you could just say - 'look, let's just skip the sauna bit, you guys are 205 lbs and that's that'.

Here in reality though, there would always be someone still trying to get the edge.  So you're likely right that the current method is best - it just seems ridiculous (as a spectator).
 
2013-11-12 01:31:08 PM  

Jster422: the biggest redneck here: MugzyBrown: This is why the weigh-in in such sports should happen as you enter the ring.

Problem solved.

Absolutely. Severely dehydrated guys doing all they can to knock each other out before they both fall down from fatigue isn't dangerous at all!

/worst argument/suggestion by any sports fan ever, and you certainly ain't the first to say it
//weight cutting sucks, but the current sytem is the best, given the dangers related to the alternatives

Well it's a 'real world' vs. 'rational world' argument.

I mean - what's the point of putting yourself through that regimen, given that the competition as doing the same thing?  So in all likelihood, you've still got 205 lb athletes fighting eachother, but you've had them jump through an unhealthy hoop to both 'weigh in' at 185.  So if everyone could be rational, you could just say - 'look, let's just skip the sauna bit, you guys are 205 lbs and that's that'.

Here in reality though, there would always be someone still trying to get the edge.  So you're likely right that the current method is best - it just seems ridiculous (as a spectator).


A few commissions have even tried weighing fighters several weeks out to make sure they're within a window, but all you get then is guys cutting twice. Doing it once 24-30 hours out is the best of all the bad options.
 
2013-11-12 01:35:29 PM  

Jster422: the biggest redneck here: MugzyBrown: This is why the weigh-in in such sports should happen as you enter the ring.

Problem solved.

Absolutely. Severely dehydrated guys doing all they can to knock each other out before they both fall down from fatigue isn't dangerous at all!

/worst argument/suggestion by any sports fan ever, and you certainly ain't the first to say it
//weight cutting sucks, but the current sytem is the best, given the dangers related to the alternatives

Well it's a 'real world' vs. 'rational world' argument.

I mean - what's the point of putting yourself through that regimen, given that the competition as doing the same thing?  So in all likelihood, you've still got 205 lb athletes fighting eachother, but you've had them jump through an unhealthy hoop to both 'weigh in' at 185.  So if everyone could be rational, you could just say - 'look, let's just skip the sauna bit, you guys are 205 lbs and that's that'.

Here in reality though, there would always be someone still trying to get the edge.  So you're likely right that the current method is best - it just seems ridiculous (as a spectator).


There's a trade off that's taking place. If you force them to weigh-in as they step into the ring, they are going to be less likely to dehydrate and weaken themselves. It doesn't make sense to lose so much weight if it leaves the fighter to weak to fight.
 
2013-11-12 01:58:22 PM  

MugzyBrown: This is why the weigh-in in such sports should happen as you enter the ring.

Problem solved.


Yeah... and then refund everyone their tickets when the main event doesn't go off.
 
2013-11-12 02:46:04 PM  

Agarista: On the wrestling team at HS, we would meet up the day before a match with full winter gear and a backpack laden with everything we could find, and do laps until the mat was drenched. Nothing like sweating through three pairs of socks to demonstrate your dedication to pretzeling a smaller guy.


We had the luxury of running around a pool to help get the sweat going. Unfortunately, this had to wait til the athletic trainer left for the day because she would check to see if we were wearing the sweat suits.

Run around the pool, stationary bike, get rolled up in a mat, scrape sweat off with student id, repeat.
 
2013-11-12 03:21:55 PM  
Why don't these guys just fight in their natural division?

I hear about guys who only have to cut 5-10 pounds to make weight.

Do that.

It's smarter and easier...should give you more time to work on technique.
..Just a guess...
 
2013-11-12 05:41:29 PM  

Rawhead Rex: Why don't these guys just fight in their natural division?

I hear about guys who only have to cut 5-10 pounds to make weight.

Do that.

It's smarter and easier...should give you more time to work on technique.
..Just a guess...


Some guys do that (Frankie Edgar used to, Pettis does that, amongst others), but then you are undersized by quite a bit.
 
2013-11-13 12:37:21 AM  
Rubbing alcohol and salt are awesome for cleaning bongs.
 
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