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2013-11-11 04:57:19 PM  

Fart_Machine: Birth control and abortion bad. Maternity care coverage also bad. Make up your mind already.


It's all bad. You should keep your knees crossed until you have enough money saved up for birth control and/or a pregnancy. And if you get raped, you'll only get pregnant if you sort of enjoyed it, in which case you are a worthless slut.

/Republican outreach
 
2013-11-11 05:02:22 PM  
I saw someone arguing the other day that having a uterus was a choice. I'm still not sure how I understand that logic, but yes, it was a male arguing it.
 
2013-11-11 05:07:06 PM  
Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?
 
2013-11-11 05:09:53 PM  

jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?


no
 
2013-11-11 05:12:15 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Tomahawk513: Genevieve Marie: I predict this will help the Republican party close that gender gap once and for all.

/No you whores can't have birth control
//What, you got pregnant? Screw you, your insurance shouldn't have to pay for that shiat

///And no abortion!
////And no public assistance once your bastard crotchfruit is born!
//And no more happiness!

Basically, just don't have sex or enjoy any other sort of human pleasure if you aren't at least moderately wealthy.


The self-loathing is absolutely palpable there, isn't it?
 
2013-11-11 05:13:54 PM  

jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?


Nope.

Just like I don't think it's stupid that my insurance covers prostate cancer.

Insurance doesn't work by letting people pick and choose what conditions might affect them personally.
 
2013-11-11 05:15:38 PM  

rynthetyn: I saw someone arguing the other day that having a uterus was a choice. I'm still not sure how I understand that logic, but yes, it was a male arguing it.


I chose to have a hysterectomy, but it took me years to get insurance to pay for it.  Even though I had 3 gynos who said I needed one and I was in so much pain I needed Vicodin as a daily prescription.
 
2013-11-11 05:16:24 PM  

jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?


i don't have kids, yet my property taxes pay for public schools. is this stupid? or is this merely the price of living in a civilized society in which each individual contributes - at least a little - to a common goal of bettering our world?
 
2013-11-11 05:16:53 PM  

jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?


No, because if you get someone pregnant she may want to go on your plan.
 
2013-11-11 05:18:07 PM  

Genevieve Marie: jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?

Nope.

Just like I don't think it's stupid that my insurance covers prostate cancer.

Insurance doesn't work by letting people pick and choose what conditions might affect them personally.


Um, yes it does? Or at least it used to.
 
2013-11-11 05:20:43 PM  

jigger: Genevieve Marie: jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?

Nope.

Just like I don't think it's stupid that my insurance covers prostate cancer.

Insurance doesn't work by letting people pick and choose what conditions might affect them personally.

Um, yes it does? Or at least it used to.


Which was massively inefficient and cost a fortune.

Like it or not, maternity care is an important part of healthcare and one we should all be paying in to support. I don't have children or have any immediate plans to change that, but I have zero problem with maternity care being added as a basic thing that should be covered. (Same with mental health care)

We could solve all of this by just going single payer, but I'll take what I can get.
 
2013-11-11 05:20:52 PM  

what_now: jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?

No, because if you get someone pregnant she may want to go on your plan.


After the fact?

FlashHarry: jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?

i don't have kids, yet my property taxes pay for public schools. is this stupid? or is this merely the price of living in a civilized society in which each individual contributes - at least a little - to a common goal of bettering our world?


Looks like we need to stop calling it insurance then if it's going to be like public schools.
 
2013-11-11 05:21:03 PM  

Fart_Machine: Birth control and abortion bad. Maternity care coverage also bad. Make up your mind already.


I suspect they'd like to go back to a maternity care system like the one used in Ireland during the 20th century: if the priest decided you weren't a fit mother, he took your baby, told you it died and gave it to a deserving family.  If your baby couldn't be placed, it went to a workhouse run by nuns and when it was old enough it spent its doing laundry and being beaten by nuns.
 
2013-11-11 05:21:36 PM  

Genevieve Marie: jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?

Nope.

Just like I don't think it's stupid that my insurance covers prostate cancer.

Insurance doesn't work by letting people pick and choose what conditions might affect them personally.


No shiat, right? I hate that talking point. Health insurance is not an ala cart thing, and it shouldn't be an ala cart thing. The whole idea of a risk pool is that some people may have more health issues and others less but we keep it affordable by increasing the pool so that people with preventable and treatable conditions can get care and remain productive, healthy members of that society. Having thousands of different policies covering gender specific or other specific basic healthcare needs is a stupid, stupid idea.
 
2013-11-11 05:22:14 PM  

Genevieve Marie: jigger: Genevieve Marie: jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?

Nope.

Just like I don't think it's stupid that my insurance covers prostate cancer.

Insurance doesn't work by letting people pick and choose what conditions might affect them personally.

Um, yes it does? Or at least it used to.

Which was massively inefficient and cost a fortune.


I don't know if you've been paying attention but the average cost of an insurance plan has increased because it has to cover more, even if the chances of a man getting pregnant is nil.
 
2013-11-11 05:23:03 PM  

Urbn: Health insurance is not an ala cart thing, and it shouldn't be an ala cart thing.


Why the fark not? If the insurance company offers a variety of different plans that cover different things, shouldn't the consumer be allowed to purchase it?
 
2013-11-11 05:24:52 PM  

jigger: what_now: jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?

No, because if you get someone pregnant she may want to go on your plan.

After the fact?



Yes, that's how health insurance works. You have an open enrollment period where anyone can sign up, and then you have "life events" where you can sign up at any time.
 
2013-11-11 05:25:14 PM  

CreamFilling: Marcus Aurelius: CreamFilling: Who's trying to ban birth control? Even the Pope has more or less turned a blind eye to that one

Not sure if serious.

Nothing at all to do with banning it, just whether employers should have to pay for it.


I wasn't aware that employers have to buy birth control for their employees.
 
2013-11-11 05:26:05 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: rynthetyn: I saw someone arguing the other day that having a uterus was a choice. I'm still not sure how I understand that logic, but yes, it was a male arguing it.

I chose to have a hysterectomy, but it took me years to get insurance to pay for it.  Even though I had 3 gynos who said I needed one and I was in so much pain I needed Vicodin as a daily prescription.


I am in my late thirties and I have three times been refused a tubal ligation even though I do not want any more kids, and even though if I were to get pregnant I would 100% certain have a premature baby (just like my one and only child was, and it was a scary scary thing) due to a...dun dun duuunnnn - pre-existing condition. The best I got was an IUD that I had to pay for mostly out of pocket. Maybe when I'm 40 I'll be able to find a doctor and insurance that will treat me like a grown woman able to make her own reproductive decisions. Sigh.
 
2013-11-11 05:27:48 PM  

YodaTuna: I wasn't aware that employers have to buy birth control for their employees.


Hey!  As the GOP has always said, medical decisions should be something made purely between doctor and patient...  and faceless bureacrat that works for the insurance industry...  and of course, the company that employs you.  But no one else!
 
2013-11-11 05:29:18 PM  

jigger: Urbn: Health insurance is not an ala cart thing, and it shouldn't be an ala cart thing.

Why the fark not? If the insurance company offers a variety of different plans that cover different things, shouldn't the consumer be allowed to purchase it?


Health insurance isn't like buying a pair of shoes or a cable/satellite TV package...come to think of it, you can't even get ala cart cable because those companies claim it will be too inefficient and expensive to unbundle their packages...I don't see how ala cart health insurance will make healthcare available and affordable for ALL citizens in this country
 
2013-11-11 05:31:55 PM  

Urbn: jigger: Urbn: Health insurance is not an ala cart thing, and it shouldn't be an ala cart thing.

Why the fark not? If the insurance company offers a variety of different plans that cover different things, shouldn't the consumer be allowed to purchase it?

Health insurance isn't like buying a pair of shoes or a cable/satellite TV package...come to think of it, you can't even get ala cart cable because those companies claim it will be too inefficient and expensive to unbundle their packages...I don't see how ala cart health insurance will make healthcare available and affordable for ALL citizens in this country


And the system is broken! The likelihood of a midget driving a Volkswagen bus hitting my car is almost zero, but the goddamn insurance company only sells policies that cover that extremely rare event too!
 
2013-11-11 05:33:53 PM  

lockers: doyner: Marcus Aurelius: But having children is more a choice than a random act of nature. People who drive a new Porsche pay more for car insurance than those who drive an old Chevy

Which explains why you're trying to ban birth control?

A Porsche is a gift from God.

Having a vagina is a choice, see?


Of course it is --- it goes hand-in-hand with deciding to become a heterosexual.
 
2013-11-11 05:34:04 PM  
Speaking as someone who has no children and will not be having any, I can safely tell you the harassment comes from the other side as well. A rather alarming amount of people seem to take it very personal that I don't have kids and will rather arrogantly tell me I'll change my own mind.

/I am sterile
//and if they find that out they start insulting my doctor
 
2013-11-11 05:39:06 PM  

edmo: lockers: doyner: Marcus Aurelius: But having children is more a choice than a random act of nature. People who drive a new Porsche pay more for car insurance than those who drive an old Chevy

Which explains why you're trying to ban birth control?

A Porsche is a gift from God.

Having a vagina is a choice, see?

Of course it is --- it goes hand-in-hand with deciding to become a heterosexual.


I see you've been studying this out, too.
 
2013-11-11 05:39:43 PM  

Urbn: Genevieve Marie: jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?

Nope.

Just like I don't think it's stupid that my insurance covers prostate cancer.

Insurance doesn't work by letting people pick and choose what conditions might affect them personally.

No shiat, right? I hate that talking point. Health insurance is not an ala cart thing, and it shouldn't be an ala cart thing. The whole idea of a risk pool is that some people may have more health issues and others less but we keep it affordable by increasing the pool so that people with preventable and treatable conditions can get care and remain productive, healthy members of that society. Having thousands of different policies covering gender specific or other specific basic healthcare needs is a stupid, stupid idea.


Just the administrative costs of maintaining something like that would be absolutely absurd.

jigger: I don't know if you've been paying attention but the average cost of an insurance plan has increased because it has to cover more, even if the chances of a man getting pregnant is nil.


This is a feature, not a bug- that insurance companies can't charge women more just for being women anymore.

I remember helping to find insurance plans for my old company and being shocked and disgusted to learn that covering me, a healthy 24 year old woman, cost more that covering my 48 year old boss who had a history of heart trouble.

Gender rating was a huge problem with the old system and I'm thrilled to see it end.
 
2013-11-11 05:48:30 PM  

jigger: Looks like we need to stop calling it insurance then if it's going to be like public schools.


fine.

the whole point is to make everyone's life better. yours, mine, everyone's.

here's the thing - we ALL pay for healthcare. yet we get the least for it of any western nation. what obamacare tries to do is lower the costs by spreading them out over a much larger population. over time (and that's the key), this will not only mean that more people are covered, it also means that costs will go down across the board.
 
2013-11-11 05:50:08 PM  

Urbn: Benevolent Misanthrope: rynthetyn: I saw someone arguing the other day that having a uterus was a choice. I'm still not sure how I understand that logic, but yes, it was a male arguing it.

I chose to have a hysterectomy, but it took me years to get insurance to pay for it.  Even though I had 3 gynos who said I needed one and I was in so much pain I needed Vicodin as a daily prescription.

I am in my late thirties and I have three times been refused a tubal ligation even though I do not want any more kids, and even though if I were to get pregnant I would 100% certain have a premature baby (just like my one and only child was, and it was a scary scary thing) due to a...dun dun duuunnnn - pre-existing condition. The best I got was an IUD that I had to pay for mostly out of pocket. Maybe when I'm 40 I'll be able to find a doctor and insurance that will treat me like a grown woman able to make her own reproductive decisions. Sigh.


Ahh, but getting pregnant is entirely your choice and if your birth control fails you're just a dumb slut who didn't know how to use it properly, now get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwich.
 
2013-11-11 05:52:55 PM  

Urbn: Benevolent Misanthrope: rynthetyn: I saw someone arguing the other day that having a uterus was a choice. I'm still not sure how I understand that logic, but yes, it was a male arguing it.

I chose to have a hysterectomy, but it took me years to get insurance to pay for it.  Even though I had 3 gynos who said I needed one and I was in so much pain I needed Vicodin as a daily prescription.

I am in my late thirties and I have three times been refused a tubal ligation even though I do not want any more kids, and even though if I were to get pregnant I would 100% certain have a premature baby (just like my one and only child was, and it was a scary scary thing) due to a...dun dun duuunnnn - pre-existing condition. The best I got was an IUD that I had to pay for mostly out of pocket. Maybe when I'm 40 I'll be able to find a doctor and insurance that will treat me like a grown woman able to make her own reproductive decisions. Sigh.


Oh - the kicker was, 2 gynos refused to do my hysterectomy because women's groups were protesting that hysterectomies were over-performed.  They were afraid of the feminists picketing them.  I had to get past the picket line once going into the office, and I was so pissed off, I grabbed one of them and asked, "So, you are all for a woman's right to choose and all for reproductive health, but you're telling me I can't ask for a hysterectomy to end this terrible pain because my gynecologist is a man?  WTF kind of women's free choice revolution are you running??"

She started a lecture on my own internalized misogyny.  I walked away before I punched her in her smug, stupid, entitled, Bryn Mawr B.A. in Victimization Studies face.
 
2013-11-11 05:56:42 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Urbn: Benevolent Misanthrope: rynthetyn: I saw someone arguing the other day that having a uterus was a choice. I'm still not sure how I understand that logic, but yes, it was a male arguing it.

I chose to have a hysterectomy, but it took me years to get insurance to pay for it.  Even though I had 3 gynos who said I needed one and I was in so much pain I needed Vicodin as a daily prescription.

I am in my late thirties and I have three times been refused a tubal ligation even though I do not want any more kids, and even though if I were to get pregnant I would 100% certain have a premature baby (just like my one and only child was, and it was a scary scary thing) due to a...dun dun duuunnnn - pre-existing condition. The best I got was an IUD that I had to pay for mostly out of pocket. Maybe when I'm 40 I'll be able to find a doctor and insurance that will treat me like a grown woman able to make her own reproductive decisions. Sigh.

Oh - the kicker was, 2 gynos refused to do my hysterectomy because women's groups were protesting that hysterectomies were over-performed.  They were afraid of the feminists picketing them.  I had to get past the picket line once going into the office, and I was so pissed off, I grabbed one of them and asked, "So, you are all for a woman's right to choose and all for reproductive health, but you're telling me I can't ask for a hysterectomy to end this terrible pain because my gynecologist is a man?  WTF kind of women's free choice revolution are you running??"

She started a lecture on my own internalized misogyny.  I walked away before I punched her in her smug, stupid, entitled, Bryn Mawr B.A. in Victimization Studies face.


I hang out in feminist communities regularly, and I have never seen nor heard of feminists groups picketing ob/gyns where hysterectomies are performed, and I think that it probably would have been picked up if doctors were afraid of feminist protesters.

This smacks of fighting the Straw Feminists.

It's totally like that one time a dude was just being nice and opened the door and some feminist who hates men told him to fark OFF AND DIE because she can open the door just fine.
 
2013-11-11 06:00:09 PM  
A quick google search for several iterations of feminists protesting hysterectomy turns up nothing whatsoever about feminists standing outside of health clinics to protest hysterectomy. Nothing.
 
2013-11-11 06:04:46 PM  

FlashHarry: jigger: Looks like we need to stop calling it insurance then if it's going to be like public schools.

fine.

the whole point is to make everyone's life better. yours, mine, everyone's.

here's the thing - we ALL pay for healthcare. yet we get the least for it of any western nation. what obamacare tries to do is lower the costs by spreading them out over a much larger population. over time (and that's the key), this will not only mean that more people are covered, it also means that costs will go down across the board.


BUT I WANT SAVINGS NOOOOOOWWWWWWW! *foot stomp*
 
2013-11-11 06:12:54 PM  

Genevieve Marie: Benevolent Misanthrope: Urbn: Benevolent Misanthrope: rynthetyn: I saw someone arguing the other day that having a uterus was a choice. I'm still not sure how I understand that logic, but yes, it was a male arguing it.

I chose to have a hysterectomy, but it took me years to get insurance to pay for it.  Even though I had 3 gynos who said I needed one and I was in so much pain I needed Vicodin as a daily prescription.

I am in my late thirties and I have three times been refused a tubal ligation even though I do not want any more kids, and even though if I were to get pregnant I would 100% certain have a premature baby (just like my one and only child was, and it was a scary scary thing) due to a...dun dun duuunnnn - pre-existing condition. The best I got was an IUD that I had to pay for mostly out of pocket. Maybe when I'm 40 I'll be able to find a doctor and insurance that will treat me like a grown woman able to make her own reproductive decisions. Sigh.

Oh - the kicker was, 2 gynos refused to do my hysterectomy because women's groups were protesting that hysterectomies were over-performed.  They were afraid of the feminists picketing them.  I had to get past the picket line once going into the office, and I was so pissed off, I grabbed one of them and asked, "So, you are all for a woman's right to choose and all for reproductive health, but you're telling me I can't ask for a hysterectomy to end this terrible pain because my gynecologist is a man?  WTF kind of women's free choice revolution are you running??"

She started a lecture on my own internalized misogyny.  I walked away before I punched her in her smug, stupid, entitled, Bryn Mawr B.A. in Victimization Studies face.

I hang out in feminist communities regularly, and I have never seen nor heard of feminists groups picketing ob/gyns where hysterectomies are performed, and I think that it probably would have been picked up if doctors were afraid of feminist protesters.

This smacks of fighting the Straw F ...


Straw Feminists, my ass.

Capital Women's Health, 1998-99. 2 separate guys told me (well, leaned back in their chairs and did a great Lumbergh impersonation) they wouldn't do it because they had to be really careful about these procedures that were considered over-performed.  Unless it was threatening my life, they weren't comfortable with doing a surgery until they tried everything else.  One of them admitted to me that he agreed with me but wanted to go through every possible other alternative first, even if I didn't.  Including ablative therapy, which, if you've never heard of it, should be the goddamn Poster Procedure for hating women and their reproductive organs, IMHO.

I had to move to South Carolina and get a new OBGYN who would listen to me and allow me to make my own choice about what to do with my body.  And I honestly didn't care if he was sufficiently "sensitive to women's issues".  It's my body and my choice.  If I want a hysterectomy for no other reason than "I'm tired of having a period", I should be able to get one.  Though I do understand that I'd have to pay for it in that case.  But when the issue is I'm tired of being doubled over in pain most of the time, and of taking pain killers that affect my thinking and my ability to do my job... yeah.  I should get the goddamn procedure without having to fight for it.

Believe me, don't believe me, I really don't care.  Just... think twice before you call someone a liar.
 
2013-11-11 06:18:57 PM  

Fart_Machine: Birth control and abortion bad. Maternity care coverage also bad. Make up your mind already.


No, they just feel as though each of those things are individual responsibilities associated with the freedom to exercise your own sexual freedom.
Part of this whole "with rights come responsibilities" thing I keep hearing you guys talk about.
 
2013-11-11 06:19:40 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: .

Capital Women's Health, 1998-99. 2 separate guys told me (well, leaned back in their chairs and did a great Lumbergh impersonation) they wouldn't do it because they had to be really careful about these procedures that were considered over-performed. Unless it was threatening my life, they weren't comfortable with doing a surgery until they tried everything else. One of them admitted to me that he agreed with me but wanted to go through every possible other alternative first, even if I didn't. Including ablative therapy, which, if you've never heard of it, should be the goddamn Poster Procedure for hating women and their reproductive organs, IMHO.

I had to move to South Carolina and get a new OBGYN who would listen to me and allow me to make my own choice about what to do with my body. And I honestly didn't care if he was sufficiently "sensitive to women's issues". It's my body and my choice. If I want a hysterectomy for no other reason than "I'm tired of having a period", I should be able to get one. Though I do understand that I'd have to pay for it in that case. But when the issue is I'm tired of being doubled over in pain most of the time, and of taking pain killers that affect my thinking and my ability to do my job... yeah. I should get the goddamn procedure without having to fight for it.

Believe me, don't believe me, I really don't care. Just... think twice before you call someone a liar.


You mentioned feminist protests and picket lines outside these clinics as a reason these doctors wouldn't do a hysterectomy. I've been googling since you posted it and I cannot find ONE documented instance of feminist picketers intimidating doctors into not doing hysterectomies, and I'd imagine that for two separate doctors to have that reaction, it would have to be prolonged and intense.

I know surgical protocols changed for hysterectomies (partially because for a long time, they WERE over-performed) but those guidelines were medical, not the result of picket lines made up by imaginary feminists.

I agree that you should have been able to have a real say in your medical treatment and that being denied a treatment you need because of the morality of someone else is absurd and frustrating, but seriously- the direction you took it was just absurd and seemed like an excuse to launch into a tirade against an ideology you personally don't subscribe to.

/"Victimization studies"
//And yea, I think the anecdote about you grabbing a feminist protester and yelling at her about preventing you from getting a hysterectomy is a lie.
 
2013-11-11 06:20:43 PM  

Urbn: jigger: Urbn: Health insurance is not an ala cart thing, and it shouldn't be an ala cart thing.

Why the fark not? If the insurance company offers a variety of different plans that cover different things, shouldn't the consumer be allowed to purchase it?

Health insurance isn't like buying a pair of shoes or a cable/satellite TV package...come to think of it, you can't even get ala cart cable because those companies claim it will be too inefficient and expensive to unbundle their packages...I don't see how ala cart health insurance will make healthcare available and affordable for ALL citizens in this country


The only reason cable companies bundle is because they are monopolies or duopolies and don't give a shiat.
 
2013-11-11 06:22:55 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:
Straw Feminists, my ass.
Capital Women's Health, 1998-99. 2 separate guys told me (well, leaned back in their chairs and did a great Lumbergh impersonation) they wouldn't do it because they had to be really careful about these procedures that were considered over-performed.  Unless it was threatening my life, they weren't comfortable with doing a surgery until they tried everything else.  One of them admitted to me that he agreed with me but wanted to go through every possible other alternative first, even if I didn't.  Including ablative therapy, which, if you've never heard of it, should be the goddamn Poster Procedure for hating women and their reproductive organs, IMHO.
I had to move to South Carolina and get a new OBGYN who would listen to me and allow me to make my own choice about what to do with my body.  And I honestly didn't care if he was sufficiently "sensitive to women's issues".  It's my body and my choice.  If I want a hysterectomy for no other reason than "I'm tired of having a period", I should be able to get one.  Though I do understand that I'd have to pay for it in that case.  But when the issue is I'm tired of being doubled over in pain most of the time, and of taking pain killers that affect my thinking and my ability to do my job... yeah.  I should get the goddamn procedure without having to fight for it.
Believe me, don't believe me, I really don't care.  Just... think twice before you call someone a liar.



I had to change doctors to one an hour and a half away to get one who would listen to me. The one I was dealing with locally flat out told me that he wouldn't consider sterilization, non-surgical or otherwise, nevermind that I was an adult and was having bad reactions to hormonal birth control. In fact, in spite of my bad reactions to hormonal birth control he suggested i go on the implant, even as he admitted it might fail for me. WHAT.

So I went to a doctor out of town only to find out the local one was ripping me off. Literally charging four times what the guy out of town did! When it turned out that I was not compatible with non-surgical sterilization, my new doctor refunded every dime of the procedure and office time and set me up for a tubal ligation and uterine ablation instead. I'm now sterile with my period down to about fifteen percent of what it used to be.

So trust me, I know some part of what you're going through. It's freaking stupid how little control women are given over their bodily choices when it comes to reproductive health.

/And in spite of being thirty god damn years old, coworkers still endlessly harass me that I need to have kids
 
2013-11-11 06:24:26 PM  

Genevieve Marie: I agree that you should have been able to have a real say in your medical treatment and that being denied a treatment you need because of the morality of someone else is absurd and frustrating, but seriously- the direction you took it was just absurd and seemed like an excuse to launch into a tirade against an ideology you personally don't subscribe to.

/"Victimization studies"
//And yea, I think the anecdote about you grabbing a feminist protester and yelling at her about preventing you from getting a hysterectomy is a lie.


<shrug>  I'm all torn up about it.
 
2013-11-11 06:28:18 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: It's my body and my choice.  If I want a hysterectomy for no other reason than "I'm tired of having a period", I should be able to get one.


How about selling one of your kidneys?
 
2013-11-11 06:29:39 PM  
Having met N Gregory Mankiw several years ago, the only thing I have to say is that it is a great national tragedy that he is still alive.

/been hating on him in my bio since day 1
 
2013-11-11 06:37:17 PM  

jigger: How about selling one of your kidneys?


Or being impregnated with another person's reproductive material and then giving up the baby in exchange for money?
Or selling blood or bone marrow
Or having her body experimented on in the name of science
or donating her organs after she dies
or selling/donating her hair

its her body. why the hell do you care?
 
2013-11-11 06:41:33 PM  

Urbn: Genevieve Marie: jigger: Can we at least all agree that forcing men to buy insurance that covers pregnancy is stupid?

Nope.

Just like I don't think it's stupid that my insurance covers prostate cancer.

Insurance doesn't work by letting people pick and choose what conditions might affect them personally.

No shiat, right? I hate that talking point. Health insurance is not an ala cart thing, and it shouldn't be an ala cart thing. The whole idea of a risk pool is that some people may have more health issues and others less but we keep it affordable by increasing the pool so that people with preventable and treatable conditions can get care and remain productive, healthy members of that society. Having thousands of different policies covering gender specific or other specific basic healthcare needs is a stupid, stupid idea.


If you want everyone to pay for routine medical costs of Delivery and Birth of children, then go right ahead and advocate that position.  Just stop calling it insurance.
 
2013-11-11 06:45:32 PM  

o5iiawah: jigger: How about selling one of your kidneys?

Or being impregnated with another person's reproductive material and then giving up the baby in exchange for money?
Or selling blood or bone marrow
Or having her body experimented on in the name of science
or donating her organs after she dies
or selling/donating her hair

its her body. why the hell do you care?


I was asking to see how far she would go. I'm fine with people selling their own kidneys. They own their own bodies.
 
2013-11-11 06:48:42 PM  

jigger: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's my body and my choice.  If I want a hysterectomy for no other reason than "I'm tired of having a period", I should be able to get one.

How about selling one of your kidneys?


Sure, if you can find a buyer and a doctor willing to do it. But just because you want to do it doesn't mean your doctor has to comply with your wishes.
 
2013-11-11 06:48:45 PM  

jigger: o5iiawah: jigger: How about selling one of your kidneys?

Or being impregnated with another person's reproductive material and then giving up the baby in exchange for money?
Or selling blood or bone marrow
Or having her body experimented on in the name of science
or donating her organs after she dies
or selling/donating her hair

its her body. why the hell do you care?

I was asking to see how far she would go. I'm fine with people selling their own kidneys. They own their own bodies.


I'll go as far as I want on any given day, and it's nobody's business but mine where that line is.
 
2013-11-11 06:50:32 PM  

CreamFilling: jigger: Benevolent Misanthrope: It's my body and my choice.  If I want a hysterectomy for no other reason than "I'm tired of having a period", I should be able to get one.

How about selling one of your kidneys?

Sure, if you can find a buyer and a doctor willing to do it. But just because you want to do it doesn't mean your doctor has to comply with your wishes.


All true.

Benevolent Misanthrope: I'll go as far as I want on any given day, and it's nobody's business but mine where that line is.


Ok, I was just curious.

There are a lot of people out there who say "my body, my choice" but advocate keeping all drugs illegal and outlawing organ selling.
 
2013-11-11 07:18:24 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Urbn: Benevolent Misanthrope: rynthetyn: I saw someone arguing the other day that having a uterus was a choice. I'm still not sure how I understand that logic, but yes, it was a male arguing it.

I chose to have a hysterectomy, but it took me years to get insurance to pay for it.  Even though I had 3 gynos who said I needed one and I was in so much pain I needed Vicodin as a daily prescription.

I am in my late thirties and I have three times been refused a tubal ligation even though I do not want any more kids, and even though if I were to get pregnant I would 100% certain have a premature baby (just like my one and only child was, and it was a scary scary thing) due to a...dun dun duuunnnn - pre-existing condition. The best I got was an IUD that I had to pay for mostly out of pocket. Maybe when I'm 40 I'll be able to find a doctor and insurance that will treat me like a grown woman able to make her own reproductive decisions. Sigh.

Oh - the kicker was, 2 gynos refused to do my hysterectomy because women's groups were protesting that hysterectomies were over-performed.  They were afraid of the feminists picketing them.  I had to get past the picket line once going into the office, and I was so pissed off, I grabbed one of them and asked, "So, you are all for a woman's right to choose and all for reproductive health, but you're telling me I can't ask for a hysterectomy to end this terrible pain because my gynecologist is a man?  WTF kind of women's free choice revolution are you running??"

She started a lecture on my own internalized misogyny.  I walked away before I punched her in her smug, stupid, entitled, Bryn Mawr B.A. in Victimization Studies face.


Those aren't feminists, those are stupid, crazy biatches.
 
2013-11-11 07:20:47 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: jigger: o5iiawah: jigger: How about selling one of your kidneys?

Or being impregnated with another person's reproductive material and then giving up the baby in exchange for money?
Or selling blood or bone marrow
Or having her body experimented on in the name of science
or donating her organs after she dies
or selling/donating her hair

its her body. why the hell do you care?

I was asking to see how far she would go. I'm fine with people selling their own kidneys. They own their own bodies.

I'll go as far as I want on any given day, and it's nobody's business but mine where that line is.


Assuming you're not bringing anyone else into the equation, absolutely. Unfortunately, that's very rarely the case.
 
2013-11-11 07:30:45 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: It's my body and my choice. If I want a hysterectomy for no other reason than "I'm tired of having a period", I should be able to get one.


I did it.....I have a great doctor, he listened to me, we did the requisite d&c to satisfy the insurance company, and 5 months later did a partial hysterectomy. My life became So much better.
 
2013-11-11 07:50:06 PM  
It's a Boxster, not a clown car.
 
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