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2013-11-11 02:20:30 PM
Who would want a woman boss? Women are complete biatches.
 
2013-11-11 02:20:49 PM
Really?

I've had both.

Women are infinitely more fun to have as bosses.  Almost all the ones I have have had a sense of humor, and made it a good place to work.

Now that I work in a tech industry, all my bosses have been male and sit somewhere on the autism spectrum and have exactly .00675892% of a sense of humor.
 
2013-11-11 02:23:35 PM
I've had good male bosses and bad male bosses.

Had good women bosses but no bad ones. Although I'm sure bad ones exist.

My experience: women edge out the men... but its too small a sample size. About half a dozen of each in my life.

Never had a hermaphrodite boss.
 
2013-11-11 02:24:11 PM
And why is this a depressing poll?

"Forty-one percent, meanwhile, volunteered that they don't care either way - the largest percent in the history of the survey."

Did they expect it to flip and say "Women preferred over men for bosses" and they'd say "Finally, gender equality!!!!"??
 
2013-11-11 02:25:51 PM
I hate people who discriminate people based on sex. It's just wrong. And remember guys, being wrong is for women.
 
2013-11-11 02:26:37 PM
On a tangent: when in the bedroom... I like the woman I'm with to be the boss.
 
2013-11-11 02:27:26 PM
Hard to tell what the writer is complaining about (in my extensive 2 paragraph review of the material)  Is it the 50+% of people who seem to have a preference or the 35% of people who prefer a male?  Pretty sure not biatching about the 23% who prefer a woman (since thats the "correct" answer).

If 90% of the people didnt give a damn either way, wouldnt that be the goal?  Or does her side have to be winning?
 
2013-11-11 02:28:06 PM
You want equality? Well this is the most douchey, condescending face I've seen in a while. I want it punched as equally as any punchable man's face I can immediately recall.

media.theweek.com
 
2013-11-11 02:29:15 PM
I've worked for both and I've found that the most important quality in a good boss is accountability. Some people just can't admit when they've screwed up and want/expect/demand others to take the blame. This isn't restricted to one sex or another either, some people just can't accept being wrong.
 
2013-11-11 02:30:36 PM
And that confounding glass toilet paper in the restroom....
 
2013-11-11 02:32:02 PM
I much prefer being under a woman to being under a man.

But seriously, I've had a male boss for the last 15+ years because there just aren't that many women in my field.
 
2013-11-11 02:32:03 PM
I prefer working for a woman.  Especially an attractive one.
 
2013-11-11 02:33:16 PM
I have good and bad of both sexes. Right now I have a kick ass female boss that comes to work and ....works and dosent sit in her office BSing all day dreaming all day like my last boss who was a guy that thought he was a rap mogul.
 
2013-11-11 02:34:47 PM

jxb465: Who would want a woman boss? Women are complete biatches.


I've never had a bad female boss in my life and I have had four of them. Actually, I have been lucky in the boss dept. because there is not a single one I have ever hated male or female.
 
2013-11-11 02:35:12 PM

meat0918: And why is this a depressing poll?

"Forty-one percent, meanwhile, volunteered that they don't care either way - the largest percent in the history of the survey."

Did they expect it to flip and say "Women preferred over men for bosses" and they'd say "Finally, gender equality!!!!"??


The poll isn't depressing, just the math skills of the author I guess. Sure, 35% for males is a bigger number than 23% for females if that's all you look at, but when 2/3 of respondents actually don't prefer a male, that the headline "Americans still prefer a male boss" patently false.
 
2013-11-11 02:35:57 PM

meat0918: And why is this a depressing poll?

"Forty-one percent, meanwhile, volunteered that they don't care either way - the largest percent in the history of the survey."

Did they expect it to flip and say "Women preferred over men for bosses" and they'd say "Finally, gender equality!!!!"??


Yes.   All that matters is proportionality and the rights of the victim class.  It's one of the really farking annoying bits about modern liberalism.

/Or my joke is that I'm a registered Democrat, but as a white college-educated middle-class male making more than the median income, I'd be doing a lot better under the Republicans.
 
2013-11-11 02:39:55 PM
I fail to see what's sad about this survey. A big chunk don't care, a big chunk prefer their own gender, and a small minority prefer the opposite gender. In this instance, more women prefer a male boss than men prefer a female boss. Oh well.
 
2013-11-11 02:39:57 PM

worlddan: jxb465: Who would want a woman boss? Women are complete biatches.

I've never had a bad female boss in my life and I have had four of them. Actually, I have been lucky in the boss dept. because there is not a single one I have ever hated male or female.


I've had bad male bosses... one was this Texan guy... in team meetings he called anyone he disagreed with a retard and their ideas retarded... his favourite word.

That's not what made him so bad though... in a private meeting he started asking me about my coworkers... started hinting he wanted me to spy on them... see what they're doing when he wasn't around... etc... etc...

Being asked to spy on my coworkers annoyed me so I quit as I hurriedly found a new job.

When I turned in my noticed he yelled at me... how dare I quit without letting him know I was looking for another job first. I should have told him I was looking for a job before I found one apparently.
 
2013-11-11 02:41:12 PM
The glass cellar is almost exclusively full of men...miners, garbage collectors, construction workers, auto mechanics, and pretty much every industrial or manual labor job.
 
2013-11-11 02:42:33 PM
On the whole I prefer a female boss.

Typically, they are much more results oriented. If all the work is getting done, and done well they tend to be extremely flexible with things like comp time.

I have seen one evil female boss, but she ended up getting fired from the top after her shenanigans brought extremely negative attention to the company.
 
2013-11-11 02:42:34 PM

limeybrit9: The poll isn't depressing, just the math skills of the author I guess. Sure, 35% for males is a bigger number than 23% for females if that's all you look at, but when 2/3 of respondents actually don't prefer a male, that the headline "Americans still prefer a male boss" patently false.


That's how most of these types of articles go though. That's why we have sayings like 'Lies, damned lies, and statistics'. There was a wage gap study in the UK I recall reading about a few years ago. The data showed full time working men made 12% more than women, and part time working men made 3% less. The data was shuffled around into the headline "Women earn 23% less than their male counterparts". They did so by merging the two groups, and part time jobs, where women were mover represented, made less on average.
 
2013-11-11 02:47:12 PM

ramblinwreck: The glass cellar is almost exclusively full of men...miners, garbage collectors, construction workers, auto mechanics, and pretty much every industrial or manual labor job.


So some of that is just biology.  For reasons, the average man is stronger and has more endurance than the average woman, and therefore they are more suited to physical jobs (which then all got replaced by robots).  And honestly, if you're willing to work hard, you can do pretty well on the glass bottom.

/And then some of that is where the feminists asked for and received a "female-based" stimulus plan - http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/659 d krod.asp?pg=1 .  So if you're wondering why the shovel-ready jobs thing didn't work out, blame the feminists.
 
2013-11-11 02:47:25 PM
I've had great female bosses and coworkers. The exception is females in senior leadership positions. Surely it's bad luck but they have all just sucked. Or it could be who government promotes... and then those people lift people up who are just like them.

I was in one office where the new senior female arrived determined to break up the good old boys club, which was admittedly overdue. By the time she left, she had installed a good old girls club, with 80% of the leadership jobs going to women (who represented 15% of the workforce). So in that sense, they were just like men. Overall, no improvement
 
2013-11-11 02:48:40 PM
Yeah, funny thing.

Put women in charge, and they turn into ginormous Pri(ks, just like the males sometimes do.

You'd think it was human nature or something.
 
2013-11-11 02:49:09 PM
I'm married so my boss is a woman.
 
2013-11-11 02:51:09 PM
The worst boss I ever had was a female. I walked away from a very high-paying job because I couldn't work for her anymore. But I've had other female bosses who were just fine.

The lesson I've learned: Don't have a female boss who's going through the change. I swear my former boss was really cool until she started going through menopause. Then you never knew which one of her was coming to work.
 
2013-11-11 02:51:49 PM
I have two requirements from my boss: (1) be qualified enough to know what I'm talking about and what I'm doing so as to recognize when things are going the right direction or not, and (2) shield me from the office politics bullshiat that might hinder me from doing my job. If you can do both of those, all other factors are immaterial.

Now for the anecdote part: the best and the worst bosses I've had were female. They were also the only two female bosses I've ever had because my industry is still male-dominated. The first was one of the smartest and nicest people I've ever met, and I would work for again in a heartbeat. The second one was fired for literally having no idea how to do the job she supposedly had twenty years' experience doing, and for trying to divert her failings onto her employees.
 
2013-11-11 02:52:01 PM
Dear, Women;
you're pretty great , what with boobs and va jay jays and what not; but, sometimes you gals don't make the best bosses. It's not your fault, either. Women, in general, are social creatures. Sometimes, that's a very good thing. But, it's not so good if you ladies don't understand the process. Example: women are great at selling stuff; but, not so great at coding applications.

/ I keed
 
2013-11-11 02:52:02 PM

worlddan: jxb465: Who would want a woman boss? Women are complete biatches.

I've never had a bad female boss in my life and I have had four of them. Actually, I have been lucky in the boss dept. because there is not a single one I have ever hated male or female.


To be fair, I've had 2 female bosses and can't complain about either of them or any of the male bosses I've had. Like you, I've never really had a bad boss. But when I hear other people complain about their boss it's always a woman. Then again, it's usually only women that I've heard complain about their bosses. So maybe it's just women in general. And I guess that leads me back to my original point: women are biatches.
 
2013-11-11 02:55:17 PM

ramblinwreck: The glass cellar is almost exclusively full of men...miners, garbage collectors, construction workers, auto mechanics, and pretty much every industrial or manual labor job.


That form of equality doesn't fit the narrative. Move along please.
 
2013-11-11 02:57:46 PM
I don't have a preference. I've had great women and man bosses as well as horrible women and men bosses.

It's hard being a woman manager because there are so few higher up women managers to learn from and model their successful behaviors. A man manager can make mistakes and be respected but a woman manager is under a constant microscope to represent ALL women.
 
2013-11-11 02:58:19 PM
The latest depressing gender poll: Americans still prefer a male boss

One of the women bosses I've had was great.  The cat's ass.  Seriously.

The rest I've worked with or in the general proximity of had this idiotic notion that it was some sort of pose you affected or wore like a hat.

"Excyuuuuse me!  BOSS here!  Boss person!  This is ME being in CHARGE!"  Over and over like a skipping CD. That's not it, ladies.  And women in the firm couldn't stand them, either.  I think this may be the problem.
 
2013-11-11 03:04:49 PM
Of course it is not true in every case, but I would take a male boss over a female boss any day, if only for the reason that if you have a horrible boss who is male, you can usually survive.  If you have a female boss who is horrible, every day is like working in a lower level of Hell!  And as a woman, I am smart enough to have turned down several managerial jobs because I know I would go full biatch on some of my co-workers.

I cannot handle stupid people, they bring out the worst in me.  I just keep my mouth shut, but if I had to manage them, it would not be pretty.
 
2013-11-11 03:07:02 PM
I've never had a female boss, but I can tell you that after working in education for 12 years, I greatly prefer male coworkers. All of the drama that comes with having the majority of your coworkers be women just makes me want to eat a bullet some days.
 
2013-11-11 03:15:04 PM
I've had good AND bad male bosses, but the majority of female bosses I've had have been raging biatches to work for and/or with.
Female managers that move through our place are all green with points to prove and axes to grind.  They also have no damn clue how to strike that happy medium between making THEIR numbers while maintaining a positive, motivated workplace.  You could see the morale take a nosedive when the current she-manager came back to work after maternity leave.
On a more direct she-boss level, my immediate supervisor is currently a she, and she is batshiat crazy, brings her hormones into the mix where we're already a bunch of biatchy, strong willed chicks, and plays jr high crap mind games/favoritism games/is easily intimidated by the rest of us and just wants us to not hate her.  Which she fails at.  We like her on a few levels, sure, but then she starts with the schoolgirl crap, bouncing us off of each other, tossing us under the bus at every opportunity but taking credit when we do well.
 
2013-11-11 03:16:14 PM
Reading the comments here, and as a boss, I just realized something.

Since I employ people to do telecommute jobs, I have three employees that I am not even sure what sex they are.

I guess I am going to have to figure out Skype, and pry into their lives a bit.

I'm sure Pat, Chris, and Dylan will be cool with this.

Nobody is on the clock today, as I respectfully told them Friday to honor those who have served their country. But is occurs to me, I have more women working for me than men. Flex hours will do that. It sure isn't the insurance, I can no longer afford that. I just gave everyone the money I would have spent.  And as this company will not exist next year, they'll all get glowing recommendations, and I have paid the head hunters to give them a little help.

I'm out, I don't like it anymore, I'll close out the books, sell what little debt to an collection agency, or let any employee that wants to trade for it, and go do something else.

They'll get paid for 8 today.  If they sit on the couch, and melt their eyes to Dr. Who, I don't care.
 
Ant
2013-11-11 03:16:37 PM

crzybtch: if only for the reason that if you have a horrible boss who is male, you can usually survive.


You haven't met my previous boss. Eight different people in the last two years tried and failed to survive under his rule. Five of those were just in the last year alone. Luckily, there was a change in upper management and somebody figured out where the problem actually was.
 
2013-11-11 03:23:32 PM

Ant: crzybtch: if only for the reason that if you have a horrible boss who is male, you can usually survive.

You haven't met my previous boss. Eight different people in the last two years tried and failed to survive under his rule. Five of those were just in the last year alone. Luckily, there was a change in upper management and somebody figured out where the problem actually was.


I had a male boss who had his entire team resign on the same day after complaining about him for months. The response from upper management was how it was surprising that there were so many unprofessional people in the world.

(This guy wrote up everyone on his team when they were late for work during the worst blizzard to hit the city in decades - he himself was late too, of course, but he didn't write himself up. Nevermind that this was a professional engineering place with respectful white collar workers. You don't "write up" these people, at least not for being fifteen minutes late.)
 
2013-11-11 03:24:49 PM
Hands down the best boss I ever had was a woman.  Hands down the worst boss I ever had was a woman.  The dudes fell into a spectrum in between.

/anecdote, data, etc
 
2013-11-11 03:25:01 PM
I've had male and female bosses. It's been my subjective opinion that female bosses seem to come pre programmed to have a chip on their shoulder that drives them to prove they are just as good as a male boss. This means they are usually overly serious, overly driven, overly politically correct and seem to see challenges of their authority in every question they're asked.

I prefer male bosses...less chip on their shoulders and if they're being a dick it's just because they are a dick.
 
2013-11-11 03:25:23 PM

Pangea: You want equality? Well this is the most douchey, condescending face I've seen in a while. I want it punched as equally as any punchable man's face I can immediately recall.

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Well, in corporate life, you can either learn to roll with the punches or lean in.
/it's easier to lean in if you already have a few hundred million bucks in your bank account
 
2013-11-11 03:28:01 PM
If you come to work and wait for an opportunity to delineate the precise metrics of the stick up your ass to your subordinates, every single day, as if if it had something to do with actual work, you probably should not be in charge of sh*t and I don't care about your plumbing.  Task, efforts, results.  All the dime store drill sargeant or "she who cannot be pleased" poses accomplish *nothing*
 
2013-11-11 03:33:56 PM

jxb465: Who would want a woman boss? Women are complete biatches.


This. I've known people who have turned down promotions because it would have meant having a female boss. fark that
 
2013-11-11 03:37:05 PM
I am, however, sort of glad for all the pretendy jobs with all the people pretending to know what they're doing that amount to nothing  more than warming a chair and playing 8th grade lunch table politics, because without them, unemployment would go through the roof.  I couldn't go in to an office every day and suffer through these posturing dolts for a living, though, and I am very grateful that I do not have to.
 
2013-11-11 03:53:25 PM
Dicks fark @ssholes, too, Gary.
 
2013-11-11 04:08:54 PM

Wolf892: It's been my subjective opinion that female bosses seem to come pre programmed to have a chip on their shoulder that drives them to prove they are just as good as a male boss. This means they are usually overly serious, overly driven, overly politically correct and seem to see challenges of their authority in every question they're asked.


The more female bosses there are, the less of a problem this becomes.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: jxb465: Who would want a woman boss? Women are complete biatches.
This. I've known people who have turned down promotions because it would have meant having a female boss. fark that


Do you hear that? The tiny violins are playing for you.

Fizpez: If 90% of the people didnt give a damn either way, wouldnt that be the goal? Or does her side have to be winning?


I can't speak for the people in TFA, but I'd be happy if most folks didn't give a damn whether their boss was a chick or dude.

/has had awesome and terrible bosses of both genders.
 
2013-11-11 04:24:03 PM
More anecdotes:

I've had good and bad bosses of both sexes. It does appear that the bad female bosses tend to be more annoying than the bad male bosses. The men would simply faff about being useless. I can work under useless bosses as that means more room for autonomy. The women would change their mind weekly about how they want things done and/or played a very political game to paint certain people in a bad light whether they deserved it or not.

The good bosses tended to be good in similar ways. Which would be logical as there are fewer ways to do things right than to fark up.
 
2013-11-11 04:24:21 PM

meat0918: And why is this a depressing poll?

"Forty-one percent, meanwhile, volunteered that they don't care either way - the largest percent in the history of the survey."

Did they expect it to flip and say "Women preferred over men for bosses" and they'd say "Finally, gender equality!!!!"??


Typical women.  Never happy.
 
2013-11-11 04:25:23 PM
 
2013-11-11 04:57:42 PM
No industry, profession or business can survive when they are required to hire and maintain incompetent employees "because youu HAVE to!"  The color or gender and ethnicity is irrelevant.
 
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