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(CBS Baltimore)   Republican wins mayoral race in Annapolis, MD. City council Democrats decide to C) vote to strip him of all power   (baltimore.cbslocal.com) divider line 112
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2013-11-11 02:03:31 PM  
www.themarysue.com


Still thinking about it.
 
2013-11-11 02:28:44 PM  
Democrats, stop giving the Republicans ideas/borrowing from them.
 
2013-11-11 02:52:59 PM  
Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.
 
2013-11-11 02:58:21 PM  
Well, at least they're naming a sandwich after him at Chick N' Ruth's Delly, so that ain't all bad.
 
2013-11-11 02:58:41 PM  
heads i win tails you lose
 
2013-11-11 02:58:41 PM  
Meh. Some cities have a strong mayor system, and in other cities the mayor and city council members are equals. This isn't a thing.
 
2013-11-11 03:00:12 PM  

Notabunny: Meh. Some cities have a strong mayor system, and in other cities the mayor and city council members are equals. This isn't a thing.


But doing so just to throw a temper tantrum because your guy lost is a thing.
 
2013-11-11 03:00:52 PM  
Mayor is just the 1st councilor of a city.  Many, MANY cities are managed this way, and generally it's a good thing.  The only reason Rob Ford is merely an embarrassment, and not a complete disaster, is the fact that he's simply one vote in Toronto city council.
 
2013-11-11 03:02:50 PM  
Not so unusual. shiatty, but not unusual.
 
2013-11-11 03:03:45 PM  

DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.


""Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster," it's BS when Republicans pull this kind of shiat just because they lost an election, Democrats should be better than that.
 
2013-11-11 03:05:20 PM  

nmrsnr: Democrats  Both parties should be better than that.


FTFY
 
2013-11-11 03:06:14 PM  

DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.


This.
 
2013-11-11 03:06:16 PM  
Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.
 
2013-11-11 03:09:42 PM  

RedPhoenix122: nmrsnr: Democrats  Both parties should be better than that.

FTFY


That only applies if the GOP does something bad.
 
2013-11-11 03:10:42 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.


Bull.  Sometimes you have to fight the enemy the same way they fight you.  It may not be right but republicans started this war, there is no reason not to do everything in our power to stop them.
 
2013-11-11 03:11:14 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.


But, see, it's for the good of all of us when we do.

/except the ones who are dead
 
2013-11-11 03:12:11 PM  
I can see no way this would backfire in the future.
 
2013-11-11 03:12:33 PM  

RedPhoenix122: nmrsnr: Democrats  Both parties should be better than that.

FTFY


Well, yes, but I only have hopes for one party at this point, since the Republican party platform since 2010 has been to disenfranchise as many people possible.
 
2013-11-11 03:13:48 PM  

Warlordtrooper: UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.

Bull.  Sometimes you have to fight the enemy the same way they fight you.  It may not be right but republicans started this war, there is no reason not to do everything in our power to stop them.


Fire with fire. I can dig it.
 
2013-11-11 03:14:56 PM  

Warlordtrooper: UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.

Bull.  Sometimes you have to fight the enemy the same way they fight you.  It may not be right but republicans started this war, there is no reason not to do everything in our power to stop them.


There's a side of me that agrees with U.S. and Democrats shouldn't stoop the the GOP's level.  Then again, considering the GOP's policies resemble that of the English feudal era, stripping someone who's legit batshiat crazy isn't such a bad thing.
 
2013-11-11 03:15:08 PM  

nmrsnr: RedPhoenix122: nmrsnr: Democrats  Both parties should be better than that.

FTFY

Well, yes, but I only have hopes for one party at this point, since the Republican party platform since 2010 has been to disenfranchise as many people possible.


Yes, but they're both owned by corporate interests at this point.  I'd prefer a viable 3rd party, but that won't happen either.
 
2013-11-11 03:17:07 PM  

Notabunny: Meh. Some cities have a strong mayor system, and in other cities the mayor and city council members are equals. This isn't a thing.


It is when the only reason you change it is because the "wrong" person won
 
2013-11-11 03:17:17 PM  

gingerjet: But doing so just to throw a temper tantrum because your guy lost is a thing.


OK, how about doing so as a carefully calculated move to minimize the impact of your guy losing?
 
2013-11-11 03:18:34 PM  
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2013-11-11 03:18:41 PM  

Fark It: Democrats, stop giving the Republicans ideas/borrowing from them.


nmrsnr: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

""Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster," it's BS when Republicans pull this kind of shiat just because they lost an election, Democrats should be better than that.


UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.


All of these. It kind of makes it harder to fight stuff like Republican voter supression efforts, public union busting, and changing counting rules after the voting in order to win; if Democrats are pulling stuff like this. It legitemizes Republican shenanigans and delegitemizes complaints made about about them.
 
2013-11-11 03:18:48 PM  
I grew up there, and I'm shocked they didn't have a Republican government this whole time. Career military types, NSA employees, and rich white people with boats don't tend to lean port, er, left.
 
2013-11-11 03:19:32 PM  

Warlordtrooper: UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.

Bull.  Sometimes you have to fight the enemy the same way they fight you.  It may not be right but republicans started this war, there is no reason not to do everything in our power to stop them.


No, you can't stoop down to their level, you need to fight it legitimately.  I'd be angry if they did this to a Democrat, therefore I'm angry they did this to a Republican.  This is the kind of partisanship that's corrupting political discourse in this country.
 
2013-11-11 03:21:07 PM  

gingerjet: Notabunny: Meh. Some cities have a strong mayor system, and in other cities the mayor and city council members are equals. This isn't a thing.

But doing so just to throw a temper tantrum because your guy lost is a thing.


Joe Blowme: Notabunny: Meh. Some cities have a strong mayor system, and in other cities the mayor and city council members are equals. This isn't a thing.

It is when the only reason you change it is because the "wrong" person won


Sure, if that was the reason, but tfa doesn't say that. It hints at it by labeling the parties Democratic and Republican, but tfa never says that was the reason for switching away from a strong mayor system.
 
2013-11-11 03:21:56 PM  
Sigh. Tribalism is destroying this country.

This is why I stopped voting a few years ago, and don't plan to start again any time soon. It's a charade. Neither side is really doing anything. The powers-that-be are the ones making all the calls, and elections are just bread & circuses.
 
2013-11-11 03:25:09 PM  

DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.


By denying the voters their choice of Mayor?  Makes perfect sense.

/those who know whats best for us must rise and save us from ourselves.
 
2013-11-11 03:26:43 PM  
Hah.  This is happening in the Milwaukee County government even though it's a moderate Dem as the county executive and a bunch of super far left wingers on the county board.
 
2013-11-11 03:27:48 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

This.


Yup.  The voters will be thanking them once the mayor starts spouting off about death panels and birf certifcts.
 
2013-11-11 03:28:34 PM  

nmrsnr: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

""Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster," it's BS when Republicans pull this kind of shiat just because they lost an election, Democrats should be better than that.


When has a republican city council ever done this?
 
2013-11-11 03:30:01 PM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

This. is how you post after huffing paint


FTFY
 
2013-11-11 03:30:32 PM  
both sides are bad!
 
2013-11-11 03:30:49 PM  

sugar_fetus: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

By denying the voters their choice of Mayor?  Makes perfect sense.

/those who know whats best for us must rise and save us from ourselves.


I don't think it's a huge stretch to say that people who know better than to vote Republican know what's best for the people who do.
 
2013-11-11 03:31:20 PM  

heavymetal: Fark It: Democrats, stop giving the Republicans ideas/borrowing from them.

nmrsnr: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

""Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster," it's BS when Republicans pull this kind of shiat just because they lost an election, Democrats should be better than that.

UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.

All of these. It kind of makes it harder to fight stuff like Republican voter supression efforts, public union busting, and changing counting rules after the voting in order to win; if Democrats are pulling stuff like this. It legitemizes Republican shenanigans and delegitemizes complaints made about about them.


This. Doing this sort of thing makes the crazy right-wingers think their craziness is justified.

Also it's, you know, morally wrong. It shouldn't be done.
 
2013-11-11 03:33:58 PM  
Typical moronic Libtards.  They simply cannot accept that the overwhelming majority of Americans are crying out for true Conservative leadership.  The Liberal Attack Machine MUST be stopped and dismantled immediately, by force if necessary, before it can cause any more harm to our great Nation.
 
2013-11-11 03:35:33 PM  

The Name: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

This.

Yup.  The voters will be thanking them once the mayor starts spouting off about death panels and birf certifcts.


I know right? Specially when it was just a 16 year oversight
cdn.breitbart.com
www.breitbart.com ooops again in 1998

double oops, 2007.
www.breitbart.com

Dont know where they got the idea he to question him
 
2013-11-11 03:36:19 PM  

heavymetal: It legitemizes Republican shenanigans


Yeah, we must be careful not to legitimize Republican shenanigans, else they might pull some shenanigans
 
2013-11-11 03:37:26 PM  

The Name: sugar_fetus: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

By denying the voters their choice of Mayor?  Makes perfect sense.

/those who know whats best for us must rise and save us from ourselves.

I don't think it's a huge stretch to say that people who know better than to vote Republican know what's best for the people who do.


I do. Because not all Republicans are the same; because not all Democrats are the same.

Good to know you're up there telling us what's best for us.
 
2013-11-11 03:37:41 PM  
Am I the only one who noticed that the entire article only talks about one person on the council who is planning to introduce a bill to have it voted on? There is no other mention of other support or whether it is likely to pass.

While this will be an embarassment if it goes through, right now it doesn't appear to be anything more than one council person who is submitting legislation for it. I hope there is a followup when (if?) there is a vote on it.
 
2013-11-11 03:40:17 PM  
Municipal government should be the most functional form of government in this country.
 
2013-11-11 03:44:37 PM  

Joe Blowme: The Name: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

This.

Yup.  The voters will be thanking them once the mayor starts spouting off about death panels and birf certifcts.

I know right? Specially when it was just a 16 year oversight
[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]
[www.breitbart.com image 413x116] ooops again in 1998

double oops, 2007.
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Dont know where they got the idea he to question him


You do know you can be born out of country and still be a citizen of the US right?
 
2013-11-11 03:45:32 PM  

Joe Blowme: The Name: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

This.

Yup.  The voters will be thanking them once the mayor starts spouting off about death panels and birf certifcts.

I know right? Specially when it was just a 16 year oversight
[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]
[www.breitbart.com image 413x116] ooops again in 1998

double oops, 2007.
[www.breitbart.com image 344x130]

Dont know where they got the idea he to question him


It's not that they questioned him. It's that they kept questioning him - over, and over, and over - after it had been proven beyond any form of reasonable doubt.
 
2013-11-11 03:48:24 PM  

MJMaloney187: When has a republican city council ever done this?


Specifically restrict mayoral power? I'm not aware of any specific incident identical to this (though I imagine it has happened), by "this kind of shiat" I meant moves that pervert the concept of democracy in the interest of preserving party power. Are we going to pretend that it hasn't been the Republican party MO since at least 2010 to marginalize potential democratic voters, and lower voter turnout in general, in order to preserve their political power over the actual popular opinion on how to govern?
 
2013-11-11 03:48:43 PM  
Is it just me, or is there a correlation between cities where council member are referred to as "aldermen" and cities where the Dems are the power-mad nut cases?
 
2013-11-11 03:52:37 PM  
He's a mayor in a heavily Democratic state. What's this guy going to do, propose legislation that immediately gets smacked down? Yeah..that's real threatening. The guy already has a tiny amount of influence anyway. This is just wasteful and petty.
 
2013-11-11 03:53:01 PM  

Joe Blowme: The Name: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

This.

Yup.  The voters will be thanking them once the mayor starts spouting off about death panels and birf certifcts.

I know right? Specially when it was just a 16 year oversight
[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]
[www.breitbart.com image 413x116] ooops again in 1998

double oops, 2007.
[www.breitbart.com image 344x130]

Dont know where they got the idea he to question him


I thought you birthers went extinct.
 
2013-11-11 03:54:03 PM  
Good.  The fact that the GOP and their wealthy overlords have been able to shiat on us as much as they have is proof that our current form of Democracy  isn't working.

I'd prefer to be led by an un-elected rational and sane person than a elected Republican.
 
2013-11-11 03:54:55 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Is it just me, or is there a correlation between cities where council member are referred to as "aldermen" and cities where the Dems are the power-mad nut cases?


Detroit refers to its city council members as city council members and there have been plenty of power-mad nut cases throughout that council's history.
 
2013-11-11 03:55:15 PM  

sugar_fetus: not all Republicans are the same


Yeah, you're right.  Some want to kill all the gays, while others just want to imprison them.
 
2013-11-11 03:55:59 PM  
Elections have consequences.*
 
2013-11-11 03:57:30 PM  

The Name: sugar_fetus: not all Republicans are the same

Yeah, you're right.  Some want to kill all the gays, while others just want to imprison them.


Right, sure.  Good job demonizing them all with the same brush. After all, that's what they do, too. so, it's okay?

Or, is it only okay when *those people* do it?
 
2013-11-11 03:58:29 PM  
It's a shame Annapolis didn't have it's charter/constitution/whatever written more clearly. As it is, I can't fault either side too much for taking advantage of its...advantages.

/probably would have written my comment more clearly
//just woke up after working 29 hours. gimme break
///thirdly, I need coffee
 
2013-11-11 03:58:46 PM  
Joe Blowme


Oh, look. It's a guy who thinks a book jacket blurb is a legal document.
 
2013-11-11 03:58:50 PM  

sugar_fetus: The Name: sugar_fetus: not all Republicans are the same

Yeah, you're right.  Some want to kill all the gays, while others just want to imprison them.

Right, sure.  Good job demonizing them all with the same brush. After all, that's what they do, too. so, it's okay?

Or, is it only okay when *those people* do it?


Difference is, the "oppressing homosexuals and women" thing is an actual, stated part of the party platform. As in, they explicitly say they support amending state constitutions to ban equal marriage and to restrict a woman's health choices.

This is in comparison to one Democratic city council member in one city.

BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME
 
2013-11-11 03:59:47 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Is it just me, or is there a correlation between cities where council member are referred to as "aldermen" and cities where the Dems are the power-mad nut cases?


I'm a staunch Democrat. Republicans in my city run as Independents. Unfortunately, we just lost our last Independent mayor under whose stewardship I saw more growth and promise than any administration in recent memory. I wish the new guy the best, but it feels like we're regressing. I've lived in Dem and GOP strangleholds; both suck, and the parties usually split into an A and B team based on petty alliances and grievances.
 
2013-11-11 04:00:41 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: 100 Watt Walrus: Is it just me, or is there a correlation between cities where council member are referred to as "aldermen" and cities where the Dems are the power-mad nut cases?

I'm a staunch Democrat. Republicans in my city run as Independents. Unfortunately, we just lost our last Independent mayor under whose stewardship I saw more growth and promise than any administration in recent memory. I wish the new guy the best, but it feels like we're regressing. I've lived in Dem and GOP strangleholds; both suck, and the parties usually split into an A and B team based on petty alliances and grievances.


Oh yeah, I should add that all of the local officials are double dippers: retired mayor on city council, retired police chiefs as mayor, etc. etc. etc. It's farking incredible.
 
2013-11-11 04:02:09 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: No, you can't stoop down to their level, you need to fight it legitimately.  I'd be angry if they did this to a Democrat, therefore I'm angry they did this to a Republican.  This is the kind of partisanship that's corrupting political discourse in this country.


I understand and agree that we shouldn't condone such behavior, especially by the Dems.  Explain to me however, that once the Republicans have achieved the scorched earth (i.e. voter disenfranchisement, etc.) how will you stop them from blocking your efforts to bring everything back to the way it was.

I hear the argument about not doing it, but I haven't heard any argument about what to do when they block such efforts to restore what they've destroyed?
 
2013-11-11 04:08:55 PM  
I know you guys are pissed about the way the GOP has been acting.

Hell, I am pissed like a mofo about them, too.

But we all need to see the bigger picture here.

We can't have the moral high ground if we lose our morality.

When we start acting like them we cease to be better than them.

We also need to remember how tyrannical governments begin. Every tyrannical government in the 20th century had one thing in common. All of them had it: they were one party states.

I am not saying that this action will lead to a tyrannical government. I am just reminding people to keep their eye on the bigger picture and to recognize the past so we don't repeat it.
 
2013-11-11 04:09:03 PM  

Rwa2play: Almost Everybody Poops: No, you can't stoop down to their level, you need to fight it legitimately.  I'd be angry if they did this to a Democrat, therefore I'm angry they did this to a Republican.  This is the kind of partisanship that's corrupting political discourse in this country.

I understand and agree that we shouldn't condone such behavior, especially by the Dems.  Explain to me however, that once the Republicans have achieved the scorched earth (i.e. voter disenfranchisement, etc.) how will you stop them from blocking your efforts to bring everything back to the way it was.

I hear the argument about not doing it, but I haven't heard any argument about what to do when they block such efforts to restore what they've destroyed?


We'll just have to try harder to get people to realize what the GOP is trying to do.  The more they aggressively push voter-suppression laws the more pushback they will get, and I do believe at some point the majority of independents will shift to the Dems.
 
2013-11-11 04:10:27 PM  

Lord Dimwit: sugar_fetus: The Name: sugar_fetus: not all Republicans are the same

Yeah, you're right.  Some want to kill all the gays, while others just want to imprison them.

Right, sure.  Good job demonizing them all with the same brush. After all, that's what they do, too. so, it's okay?

Or, is it only okay when *those people* do it?

Difference is, the "oppressing homosexuals and women" thing is an actual, stated part of the party platform. As in, they explicitly say they support amending state constitutions to ban equal marriage and to restrict a woman's health choices.

This is in comparison to one Democratic city council member in one city.

BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME


Which makes this action correct?  No, both sides arent the same. But, when they do stupid stuff IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH SIDE DOES IT - IT'S STILL STUPID.

But, blind followers of either side will excuse their own boys while reviling the others.  In that matter - and only that matter - are both sides the same.
 
2013-11-11 04:13:37 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.


I love how you guys think either of the two parties are composed of anything but shady, self-serving politicians.
 
2013-11-11 04:14:39 PM  
Disgusting.
 
2013-11-11 04:14:53 PM  
MJMaloney187:  When has a republican city council ever done this?

In 2004, a group of Republicans supervisors did pretty much the same thingto another Republican in Loudoun County, Virginia.  First they caucus primaried the guy out of the nomination so that he had to run as an independent, then after he won they took away his powers and gave them to the vice chair.Link

That lasted about 4 years as memory serves until that group in power self-destructed.  The guy they screwed is back as the county supervisor and a Republican.  The guy who lead the coup is gone...
 
2013-11-11 04:16:14 PM  

EWreckedSean: UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.

I love how you guys think either of the two parties are composed of anything but shady, self-serving politicians.


One side isn't *completely* full of shady, self-serving politicians. One side pushes through legislation that, while possibly enriching their corporate buddies, also helps out other people as a side effect. The other side enriches their corporate buddies without helping anyone else. I'll take the side that has the least negative side effects, thank you very much.
 
2013-11-11 04:18:55 PM  

EWreckedSean: UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.

I love how you guys think either of the two parties are composed of anything but shady, self-serving politicians.


...so vote Republican, you guys!
 
2013-11-11 04:19:04 PM  

Lord Dimwit: EWreckedSean: UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.

I love how you guys think either of the two parties are composed of anything but shady, self-serving politicians.

One side isn't *completely* full of shady, self-serving politicians. One side pushes through legislation that, while possibly enriching their corporate buddies, also helps out other people as a side effect. The other side enriches their corporate buddies without helping anyone else. I'll take the side that has the least negative side effects, thank you very much.


I find it amusing that you can sell that bullshiat to yourself.
 
2013-11-11 04:21:45 PM  

cman: We can't have the moral high ground if we lose our morality.


What does morality have to do with politics?
 
2013-11-11 04:21:53 PM  

EWreckedSean: Lord Dimwit: EWreckedSean: UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.

I love how you guys think either of the two parties are composed of anything but shady, self-serving politicians.

One side isn't *completely* full of shady, self-serving politicians. One side pushes through legislation that, while possibly enriching their corporate buddies, also helps out other people as a side effect. The other side enriches their corporate buddies without helping anyone else. I'll take the side that has the least negative side effects, thank you very much.

I find it amusing that you can sell that bullshiat to yourself.


You're right, the GOP once tried to help people back in the 90s with universal healthcare, and then the black guy did it and they threw a tantrum.

A- for effort.
 
2013-11-11 04:26:11 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Rwa2play: Almost Everybody Poops: No, you can't stoop down to their level, you need to fight it legitimately.  I'd be angry if they did this to a Democrat, therefore I'm angry they did this to a Republican.  This is the kind of partisanship that's corrupting political discourse in this country.

I understand and agree that we shouldn't condone such behavior, especially by the Dems.  Explain to me however, that once the Republicans have achieved the scorched earth (i.e. voter disenfranchisement, etc.) how will you stop them from blocking your efforts to bring everything back to the way it was.

I hear the argument about not doing it, but I haven't heard any argument about what to do when they block such efforts to restore what they've destroyed?

We'll just have to try harder to get people to realize what the GOP is trying to do.  The more they aggressively push voter-suppression laws the more pushback they will get, and I do believe at some point the majority of independents will shift to the Dems.


This!  We should be aiming to do this through the proper legislative channels, i.e. vote them out when people figure out what they are doing is wrong.  Shady underhanded tactics like this only legitimize the tactics used by the Republicans who have tried this.  Doing so only reinforces the BSABSVR people out there.
 
2013-11-11 04:26:35 PM  

The Name: heavymetal: It legitemizes Republican shenanigans

Yeah, we must be careful not to legitimize Republican shenanigans, else they might pull some shenanigans


Oh it won't stop Republican shenanigans, it will just keep Democrats from looking like hypocritical douchebags when they call them out on them.  Which can come in handy when dealing with the very fickle court of public opinion.
 
2013-11-11 04:31:17 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Sigh. Tribalism is destroying this country.

This is why I stopped voting a few years ago, and don't plan to start again any time soon. It's a charade. Neither side is really doing anything. The powers-that-be are the ones making all the calls, and elections are just bread & circuses.


Still you find a chance to biatch about it.
 
2013-11-11 04:51:30 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Almost Everybody Poops: Rwa2play: Almost Everybody Poops: No, you can't stoop down to their level, you need to fight it legitimately.  I'd be angry if they did this to a Democrat, therefore I'm angry they did this to a Republican.  This is the kind of partisanship that's corrupting political discourse in this country.

I understand and agree that we shouldn't condone such behavior, especially by the Dems.  Explain to me however, that once the Republicans have achieved the scorched earth (i.e. voter disenfranchisement, etc.) how will you stop them from blocking your efforts to bring everything back to the way it was.

I hear the argument about not doing it, but I haven't heard any argument about what to do when they block such efforts to restore what they've destroyed?

We'll just have to try harder to get people to realize what the GOP is trying to do.  The more they aggressively push voter-suppression laws the more pushback they will get, and I do believe at some point the majority of independents will shift to the Dems.

This!  We should be aiming to do this through the proper legislative channels, i.e. vote them out when people figure out what they are doing is wrong.  Shady underhanded tactics like this only legitimize the tactics used by the Republicans who have tried this.  Doing so only reinforces the BSABSVR people out there.



I'm all for this...but if you do it you better be damn committed to do it all the way.

Forgive me for being bitter, not at the President, but at the people who first voted for the guy, then didn't vote in 2010 and then biatch about the Tea Party.  When the President asked us to support him it wasn't a one and done thing, it was a commitment.  He  knewit even in his victory speech; so why did the voters care only when the Tea Party decided to fark things up?
 
2013-11-11 04:53:27 PM  
Hmmm... This sounds intensely petty, and makes me hope that each one who votes in favor is ousted as soon as possible.

/If it matters, I'm a bleeding-heart liberal and mostly a Democrat.
 
2013-11-11 05:10:10 PM  

phaseolus: Joe Blowme


Oh, look. It's a guy who thinks a book jacket blurb is a legal document.


Where did they get the idea that he was born in Kenya?
 
2013-11-11 05:12:13 PM  
What's the odds this will be on the Daily Show?
 
2013-11-11 05:14:03 PM  

jigger: phaseolus: Joe Blowme


Oh, look. It's a guy who thinks a book jacket blurb is a legal document.

Where did they get the idea that he was born in Kenya?


The fact that he was actually born in Ken....aaaah, you almost got me!
 
2013-11-11 05:14:35 PM  
Maryland Democrats have much in common with Virginia Republicans.
 
2013-11-11 05:23:05 PM  

RedPhoenix122: nmrsnr: Democrats used to be better than that.

FTFY


FTFTFY
 
2013-11-11 05:54:30 PM  

rjakobi: Well, at least they're naming a sandwich after him at Chick N' Ruth's Delly, so that ain't all bad.


img.fark.net

Here's my son at Chuck N' Ruths and their ungodly 6pd shake.
 
2013-11-11 05:59:17 PM  
As a Republican, I applaud the effort.  Let the voters know: Democrats aren't pushovers any longer!  They're like the GOP now: willing to play dirty, govern without morality, seize power at the expense of idealism and public-spiritedness!

Voters will respect it, I'm sure.
 
2013-11-11 06:02:27 PM  

Captain Dan: As a Republican, I applaud the effort.  Let the voters know: Democrats aren't pushovers any longer!  They're like the GOP now: willing to play dirty, govern without morality, seize power at the expense of idealism and public-spiritedness!

Voters will respect it, I'm sure.


It will gain them votes from the people in the GOP, i'm sure. They only respect a strong-man ruler, like, say, Putin. Sort of a primitive-tribal thing. Common in areas of lesser education.
 
2013-11-11 06:24:13 PM  

ghare: It will gain them votes from the people in the GOP, I'm sure. They only respect a strong-man ruler.


You'll come to enjoy Machiavellianism too.  It's more effective at consolidating power than whiny, limp-wristed "there are such things as right and wrong" liberalism.
 
2013-11-11 06:29:43 PM  

nmrsnr: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.

""Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster," it's BS when Republicans pull this kind of shiat just because they lost an election, Democrats should be better than that.


No, nmrsnr, Democrats should STOP trying to be better than the republicants and START fighting back on behalf of their constituents. This "taking the high road" mentality of Democrats has resulted in the republicants' habitually rude and insulting speech regarding their opposition. Republicants now also believe that they can change/bend the voter registration laws with impunity.

It's way past time that Democrats start treating these republicants like the anti-American  pieces-of-shiat that they are!
 
2013-11-11 06:42:33 PM  
Fark It * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-11-11 02:28:44 PM Democrats, stop giving the Republicans ideas/borrowing from them.
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Yeah... getting into a hissy fit because the other side won is not cool no matter who does it.
 
2013-11-11 06:59:12 PM  

Rwa2play: Warlordtrooper: UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.

Bull.  Sometimes you have to fight the enemy the same way they fight you.  It may not be right but republicans started this war, there is no reason not to do everything in our power to stop them.

There's a side of me that agrees with U.S. and Democrats shouldn't stoop the the GOP's level.  Then again, considering the GOP's policies resemble that of the English feudal era, stripping someone who's legit batshiat crazy isn't such a bad thing.


It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
 
2013-11-11 08:03:46 PM  

Lexx: Mayor is just the 1st councilor of a city.  Many, MANY cities are managed this way, and generally it's a good thing.  The only reason Rob Ford is merely an embarrassment, and not a complete disaster, is the fact that he's simply one vote in Toronto city council.


Yeah - this is not a big deal. Not classy, but not a significant change in power, either. It's just a little "f**k you" - and it seems a tad mean spirited and unnecessary.
 
2013-11-11 08:25:39 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.


"This" side does this pretty often.
 
2013-11-11 08:26:36 PM  

Mrbogey: UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.

"This" side does this pretty often.


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405297020488440457436254 1 012511408 There...fixed
 
2013-11-11 08:54:49 PM  

kaylward: MJMaloney187:  When has a republican city council ever done this?

In 2004, a group of Republicans supervisors did pretty much the same thingto another Republican in Loudoun County, Virginia.  First they caucus primaried the guy out of the nomination so that he had to run as an independent, then after he won they took away his powers and gave them to the vice chair.Link

That lasted about 4 years as memory serves until that group in power self-destructed.  The guy they screwed is back as the county supervisor and a Republican.  The guy who lead the coup is gone...


Well I'm completely torn then. On the one hand, we are a nation of laws, and if the laws say a majority of elected officials can change the charter, then that's that. The Loudoun County situation worked itself out. On the other hand, it's sh*t sandwich politics.

We're trapped ... like rats.
 
2013-11-11 10:12:16 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.


You actually believe that shiat.  You think you're on the side of "right".  LMFAO!
 
2013-11-11 10:13:21 PM  
I think they people should get what they vote for.  Republicans always require payment for government services.  They make it one way or the other and if all fails privatize and profit.
 
2013-11-11 10:13:44 PM  

JesusJuice: Good.  The fact that the GOP and their wealthy overlords have been able to shiat on us as much as they have is proof that our current form of Democracy  isn't working.

I'd prefer to be led by an un-elected rational and sane person than a elected Republican.


Whatever you say Chairman Mao.  Oh yeah, who's on the list to be executed today.
 
2013-11-12 12:07:13 AM  

MJMaloney187: kaylward: MJMaloney187:  When has a republican city council ever done this?

In 2004, a group of Republicans supervisors did pretty much the same thingto another Republican in Loudoun County, Virginia.  First they caucus primaried the guy out of the nomination so that he had to run as an independent, then after he won they took away his powers and gave them to the vice chair.Link

That lasted about 4 years as memory serves until that group in power self-destructed.  The guy they screwed is back as the county supervisor and a Republican.  The guy who lead the coup is gone...

Well I'm completely torn then. On the one hand, we are a nation of laws, and if the laws say a majority of elected officials can change the charter, then that's that. The Loudoun County situation worked itself out. On the other hand, it's sh*t sandwich politics.

We're trapped ... like rats.



The Loudoun situation worked itself out because power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.  That majority eventually scandaled themselves out of power...
 
2013-11-12 12:11:54 AM  

SouthParkCon: rjakobi: Well, at least they're naming a sandwich after him at Chick N' Ruth's Delly, so that ain't all bad.

[img.fark.net image 850x568]

Here's my son at Chuck N' Ruths and their ungodly 6pd shake.


Is he OK?!  Because, I can only imagine that drinking that would cause some sort of significant internal damage of some sort.
 
2013-11-12 01:13:46 AM  

zimbomba63: You actually believe that shiat. You think you're on the side of "right". LMFAO!


Oh no. Neither side is good. But one side is evil.

I vote for Democrats because they aren't Republicans.
 
2013-11-12 01:27:47 AM  
Good. This should happen in all states.

Republican's, GOP and Teahadist's should be abolished, terminated and outlawed.

They are no more than the flotsam an jetsam of today's society and should be treated as such.
 
2013-11-12 01:44:26 AM  

zimbomba63: JesusJuice: Good.  The fact that the GOP and their wealthy overlords have been able to shiat on us as much as they have is proof that our current form of Democracy  isn't working.

I'd prefer to be led by an un-elected rational and sane person than a elected Republican.

Whatever you say Chairman Mao.  Oh yeah, who's on the list to be executed today.


great job of ignoring the "rational and sane" part of that post. Hour point may be valid big-picture-wise, but you look pretty stupid for side-stepping the given caveats.
 
2013-11-12 03:50:22 AM  

MJMaloney187: nmrsnr: DemonEater: Normally this would be an outrage, but the way the Republicans have gone in the last 15 or so years, this sounds like an important step towards ensuring the safety of the citizens.A

""Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster," it's BS when Republicans pull this kind of shiat just because they lost an election, Democrats should be better than that.

When has a republican city council ever done this?


Since 2009, six Michigan cities (Ecorse, Pontiac, Benton Harbor, Flint, Allen Park, and now Detroit) have been put under the control of Emergency City Managers appointed by Republican Governor Rick Snyder. ECMs effectively take over control of city government from democratically elected mayors and city councils. About 49% of Michigan's African-American population live under unelected city managers.
 
2013-11-12 04:30:46 AM  

Notabunny: gingerjet: Notabunny: Meh. Some cities have a strong mayor system, and in other cities the mayor and city council members are equals. This isn't a thing.

But doing so just to throw a temper tantrum because your guy lost is a thing.

Joe Blowme: Notabunny: Meh. Some cities have a strong mayor system, and in other cities the mayor and city council members are equals. This isn't a thing.

It is when the only reason you change it is because the "wrong" person won

Sure, if that was the reason, but tfa doesn't say that. It hints at it by labeling the parties Democratic and Republican, but tfa never says that was the reason for switching away from a strong mayor system.


FTFA: "Days after a Republican was elected mayor of Annapolis, City Council members say they will revisit legislation that would strip the mayor's office of much of its power."

sounds compeletely unrelated. just bad timing right?
 
2013-11-12 04:58:17 AM  

UncomfortableSilence: Changing the rules to benefit your party when someone you dislike gets voted in?  Come on guys, we're not supposed to be the side that pulls this crap.



But it's not fascism when we do it.
 
2013-11-12 06:50:37 AM  

jigger: phaseolus: Joe Blowme


Oh, look. It's a guy who thinks a book jacket blurb is a legal document.

Where did they get the idea that he was born in Kenya?


I'm certain that the information collected to create the original blurb (from which the other two shown are derived) mentioned that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, since, you know, he was born in Kenya. Too bad for everyone involved that the copy editor didn't notice that the blurb was being written about Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.
 
2013-11-12 10:17:24 AM  
Wow @ the number of farkers saying this kind of thing is ok with them.

So open minded that their brains fall out.
 
2013-11-12 11:51:37 AM  

cman: When we start acting like them we cease to be better than them.


Oh that's so cute. Someone who thinks that one party is better than the other.

Wait... did I say cute? I meant to say naive.
 
2013-11-12 01:13:40 PM  
I am a resident of Annapolis MD and I didn't vote for either candidate, but wrote in a guy I work with who brings his dog to work almost every day who has expressed interest in running for mayor.

It was the Democrat's race to lose, and he made enemies by supporting some projects that were controversial. He didn't do anything great as a mayor. The Republican is some young whipper snapper who put up more campaign signs than you can imagine. It was a close race (59 vote margin), and a Republican will be mayor of Annapolis for the first time in more than a decade.
 
2013-11-12 01:49:41 PM  
Both sides are bad so vote Democrat.
 
2013-11-12 02:43:45 PM  

dababler: SouthParkCon: rjakobi: Well, at least they're naming a sandwich after him at Chick N' Ruth's Delly, so that ain't all bad.

[img.fark.net image 850x568]

Here's my son at Chuck N' Ruths and their ungodly 6pd shake.

Is he OK?!  Because, I can only imagine that drinking that would cause some sort of significant internal damage of some sort.


That kid drank almost half, then we split it up between the fam.
 
2013-11-12 03:36:20 PM  
Everyone in here saying this is a legitimate move just because the guy is a Republican are all part of the problem.  Go look yourselves in the mirror and understand that we'd all be better off if YOU didn't vote.  Yes you, the smug fark staring back.  The real issue with U.S. politics is that we think we know everything about what a person believes, how they will act, and how they will vote based on a letter next to their name.  Talk to someone affiliated with a different party once in a while without assuming to know where they stand on every issue and how they arrived at their beliefs.  You might learn something useful instead just sitting around sniffing the farts of everyone in lock-step with your idea of the "correct" side.  Assholes.
 
2013-11-12 03:43:40 PM  

AndyKOctopus: I wrote in a guy I work with who brings his dog to work almost every day who has expressed interest in running for mayor.


He sounds qualified. Great job.
 
2013-11-12 03:56:02 PM  
Cornelius Dribble
When has a republican city council ever done this?

Since 2009, six Michigan cities (Ecorse, Pontiac, Benton Harbor, Flint, Allen Park, and now Detroit) have been put under the control of Emergency City Managers appointed by Republican Governor Rick Snyder. ECMs effectively take over control of city government from democratically elected mayors and city councils. About 49% of Michigan's African-American population live under unelected city managers.

I am not saying Republicans have never done this.  I AM saying if (and probably when) they did it in the same way it would be just as wrong.  I am also saying your examples are invalid - all were in response to federal corruption probes and/or bankruptcy.  You see, these are causes that justify an ECM - which is entirely different from restricting mayoral powers based on unfavorable election results.
 
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