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(Opposing Views)   When it comes to female contraception just ask yourself: What would pilgrims do?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 108
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2013-11-11 11:46:07 AM  
"Female Contraception" sounds like we're preventing females from being born.

Thanks, Chinese Obama!
 
2013-11-11 11:54:01 AM  
www.addictedtosaving.com
 
2013-11-11 11:57:08 AM  
Does this dude not understand that by interfering with my right to have this medicine, which is what Birth Control is, he is messing with my religious freedom.   I'm on Birth control, have been since I was 16.  I had a medical reason for it, outside of just not wanting to get pregnant.  He's forcing me to obey his 'religious freedom' but what about mine?   It's not against my religion to have this medicine.   FTA:I think this administration has a very narrow view of the First Amendment, that first freedom, the freedom of religion," Perkins explained. "I think they see religious freedom as fine with it as long as it's in the four walls of a church. But if it comes into workplace, the marketplace, if it comes into the public square, it's not welcome."

Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.
 
2013-11-11 12:01:22 PM  
The Europeans thought that driving the Pilgrims into the American wilderness would be the end of the problem.

They should have gassed the farkers when they had the chance.
 
2013-11-11 12:04:40 PM  
Are they saying they're leaving?
 
2013-11-11 12:05:51 PM  

raerae1980: Does this dude not understand that by interfering with my right to have this medicine, which is what Birth Control is, he is messing with my religious freedom.   I'm on Birth control, have been since I was 16.  I had a medical reason for it, outside of just not wanting to get pregnant.  He's forcing me to obey his 'religious freedom' but what about mine?   It's not against my religion to have this medicine.   FTA:I think this administration has a very narrow view of the First Amendment, that first freedom, the freedom of religion," Perkins explained. "I think they see religious freedom as fine with it as long as it's in the four walls of a church. But if it comes into workplace, the marketplace, if it comes into the public square, it's not welcome."

Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.


This hate group should love the Pilgrims.  They came to the New World not seeking religious freedom, but because both the English AND the Dutch kicked them out for being uptight assholes.  Nobody in Europe wanted to deal with their religious zealotry.  And when they got here they did a wonderful job of exercising religious tyranny.

Hell, the whole reason Rhode Island came to exist was because Anne Hutchinson DARED tell the Puritanical leaders why they were uptight assholes.  And we can't have womenfolk thinking for themselves.

TL; DR:  The Pilgrims were a hate group, just like the FRC.
 
2013-11-11 12:06:16 PM  
Because when we think of sensible health care practices the Pilgrims always come to mind.
 
2013-11-11 12:06:54 PM  
At no point in my life have I asked myself what a few extremist nutjobs would do in a situation. At thanksgiving, I don't think about some romantic first fall hardship. I think of an opulent had with family. I think of conspicuous consumerism. The hell that I will consider any religious nutbaggery had by a bunch of delusional f*cktards that couldn't live in a society and had to scamper away to achieve starvation.
 
2013-11-11 12:08:14 PM  
All these dead-guy-on-a-stick worshipers need to STFU and shot interfering with my freedom of well being.
They can expect to be told to stop proselytizing or face harassment charges.
Your freedom of speech stops when you have an invisible friend who tells you what to do, asshole.
 
2013-11-11 12:09:33 PM  
Masturbate with a horn of plenty?
 
2013-11-11 12:09:47 PM  
This administration has not confined their attack on religious liberties simply to the workplace," Perkins responded. "It's really started in the military

Apparently, serving in the military no longer qualifies as a 'job'.
 
2013-11-11 12:14:21 PM  
The Pilgrims didn't write our constitution Perkins. In fact, shouldn't you be making me some pancakes right now Perkins?
 
2013-11-11 12:19:27 PM  

raerae1980: Does this dude not understand that by interfering with my right to have this medicine, which is what Birth Control is, he is messing with my religious freedom.   I'm on Birth control, have been since I was 16.  I had a medical reason for it, outside of just not wanting to get pregnant.  He's forcing me to obey his 'religious freedom' but what about mine?   It's not against my religion to have this medicine.   FTA:I think this administration has a very narrow view of the First Amendment, that first freedom, the freedom of religion," Perkins explained. "I think they see religious freedom as fine with it as long as it's in the four walls of a church. But if it comes into workplace, the marketplace, if it comes into the public square, it's not welcome."

Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.


He is willfully ignoring the second part about the religious establishment clause: "Or free exercise thereof".  One's freedom to recklessly swing their fist about ends at another's nose.
 
2013-11-11 12:19:48 PM  
The Pilgrams were a more racist & more extreme version of the Westboro Baptist Church.
 
2013-11-11 12:20:21 PM  
Keep your religion off of my body, unless you want to find yourself raising my unwanted children. Douchebag.
 
2013-11-11 12:21:24 PM  
Nobody has to provide contraceptive coverage.  Really.  If you're really, seriously, morally opposed, don't offer said coverage, pay the taxes due (which will be somewhat higher), and go on your merry way.  You've done nothing illegal. There's no criminal penalty whatsoever.

If you're morally opposed to higher education and someone gets a tax credit for higher ed?
If you're morally opposed to having children and someone gets a tax credit for having children?
If you're morally opposed to war, and soldiers get tax exempt income?

You deal with it.
 
2013-11-11 12:21:29 PM  

MadCat221: raerae1980: Does this dude not understand that by interfering with my right to have this medicine, which is what Birth Control is, he is messing with my religious freedom.   I'm on Birth control, have been since I was 16.  I had a medical reason for it, outside of just not wanting to get pregnant.  He's forcing me to obey his 'religious freedom' but what about mine?   It's not against my religion to have this medicine.   FTA:I think this administration has a very narrow view of the First Amendment, that first freedom, the freedom of religion," Perkins explained. "I think they see religious freedom as fine with it as long as it's in the four walls of a church. But if it comes into workplace, the marketplace, if it comes into the public square, it's not welcome."

Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.

He is willfully ignoring the second part about the religious establishment clause: "Or free exercise thereof".  One's freedom to recklessly swing their fist about ends at another's nose.


It's exactly like people who choose to forget that freedom of speech is not the same thing as having freedom from the consequences of their speech.
 
2013-11-11 12:22:30 PM  
Lie back and take it, then die in childbirth? Cuz that's what I would have done.

/thank you, modern medicine. Sad to see you go.
 
2013-11-11 12:22:53 PM  
"The Pilgrims have a way to just shut that down"
--Rand Paul
 
2013-11-11 12:23:44 PM  
Pilgrims also married 12 year old cousins.

Your move, fundie nuts.
 
2013-11-11 12:23:59 PM  

raerae1980: Does this dude not understand that by interfering with my right to have this medicine, which is what Birth Control is, he is messing with my religious freedom.   I'm on Birth control, have been since I was 16.  I had a medical reason for it, outside of just not wanting to get pregnant.  He's forcing me to obey his 'religious freedom' but what about mine?   It's not against my religion to have this medicine.   FTA:I think this administration has a very narrow view of the First Amendment, that first freedom, the freedom of religion," Perkins explained. "I think they see religious freedom as fine with it as long as it's in the four walls of a church. But if it comes into workplace, the marketplace, if it comes into the public square, it's not welcome."

Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.



careful now, that kind of talk will get you called a whore by Rush Limbaugh.
 
2013-11-11 12:24:25 PM  
American conservatism and radical Islam are indistinguishable at this point.
 
2013-11-11 12:26:29 PM  
Probably drink a special tea if it was an inopportune time.
 
2013-11-11 12:26:56 PM  
Sorry dude but it just doesn't wash.  If you have religious objections to using contraception then don't use contraception.  We all know what this is about, it's about your religious objection to *other people* using contraception and that's just too damn bad.
 
2013-11-11 12:27:16 PM  

DarnoKonrad: raerae1980: Does this dude not understand that by interfering with my right to have this medicine, which is what Birth Control is, he is messing with my religious freedom.   I'm on Birth control, have been since I was 16.  I had a medical reason for it, outside of just not wanting to get pregnant.  He's forcing me to obey his 'religious freedom' but what about mine?   It's not against my religion to have this medicine.   FTA:I think this administration has a very narrow view of the First Amendment, that first freedom, the freedom of religion," Perkins explained. "I think they see religious freedom as fine with it as long as it's in the four walls of a church. But if it comes into workplace, the marketplace, if it comes into the public square, it's not welcome."

Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.


careful now, that kind of talk will get you called a whore by Rush Limbaugh.


My Dad already beat him to it.

/Thank FSM that my Mom has a level head on her shoulder
//She was also on BC
 
2013-11-11 12:28:26 PM  
The pilgrims? The women would probably drink various herbs like pennyroyal in order to induce abortion. Or just have the midwife smother them with a pillow and call it a still birth.

Seriously, if right wingers think birth control and abortion are bad NOW, I wish they could see what it was like THEN.
 
2013-11-11 12:28:58 PM  
freedom of religion to deny freedom based on religion
 
2013-11-11 12:29:28 PM  

raerae1980: Does this dude not understand that by interfering with my right to have this medicine, which is what Birth Control is, he is messing with my religious freedom.   I'm on Birth control, have been since I was 16.  I had a medical reason for it, outside of just not wanting to get pregnant.  He's forcing me to obey his 'religious freedom' but what about mine?   It's not against my religion to have this medicine.   FTA:I think this administration has a very narrow view of the First Amendment, that first freedom, the freedom of religion," Perkins explained. "I think they see religious freedom as fine with it as long as it's in the four walls of a church. But if it comes into workplace, the marketplace, if it comes into the public square, it's not welcome."

Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.


Unfortunately, I've crossed into hating them.

Not all the religious, just these asshole dominionists.

//I did get some good news though, my mother is leaving her dominionist/prosperity gospel church.  She's going back to Catholicism, but that's better than some New Apostolic Reformation affiliated piece of shiat.
 
2013-11-11 12:30:09 PM  
Stuff their vaginas with plugs made from lard and ground corn?
 
2013-11-11 12:31:01 PM  

raerae1980: Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.


Wrong.  His religious freedom is more important than yours because he's a man and therefore allowed to mansplain to you what you're allowed to do with your sinhole.  Because Jesus.
 
2013-11-11 12:32:05 PM  

raerae1980: Does this dude not understand that by interfering with my right to have this medicine, which is what Birth Control is, he is messing with my religious freedom.   I'm on Birth control, have been since I was 16.  I had a medical reason for it, outside of just not wanting to get pregnant.  He's forcing me to obey his 'religious freedom' but what about mine?   It's not against my religion to have this medicine.   FTA:I think this administration has a very narrow view of the First Amendment, that first freedom, the freedom of religion," Perkins explained. "I think they see religious freedom as fine with it as long as it's in the four walls of a church. But if it comes into workplace, the marketplace, if it comes into the public square, it's not welcome."

Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.


When will you stop assaulting his religious freedom to control you?
 
2013-11-11 12:33:52 PM  

adamatari: The pilgrims? The women would probably drink various herbs like pennyroyal in order to induce abortion. Or just have the midwife smother them with a pillow and call it a still birth.

Seriously, if right wingers think birth control and abortion are bad NOW, I wish they could see what it was like THEN.


When infant mortality is around 30% you end up having a lot of them. When it drops to the single digits, all of a sudden you want to have less. Birth control is the pressure valve to stop, what in the past would be considered today, child abuse. The fact is you had to starve children when times got tough.
 
2013-11-11 12:35:32 PM  
It violates my religious rights when I cannot deny contraception to other people.
 
2013-11-11 12:35:46 PM  

MadCat221: One's freedom to recklessly swing their fist about ends at another's nose.


I actually assert for myself the freedom to swing my fist recklessly up to and beyond the point where it contacts another person's nose.

Depending on the person, of course.

I find the freedom to punch a right-wing asshole in the nose makes for a more free and more friendly society.
 
2013-11-11 12:35:53 PM  

JolobinSmokin: The Pilgrams were a more racist & more extreme version of the Westboro Baptist Church.


Who doesn't live those Indentured servants!
 
2013-11-11 12:36:46 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Wrong.  His religious freedom is more important than yours because he's a man and therefore allowed to mansplain to you what you're allowed to do with your sinhole.  Because Jesus.


How can miracles--all almost 8 billion of them now-- come from sinholes? This religion stuff is confusing. And that's a lot of miracles. It's almost like they're not miraculous at all.
 
2013-11-11 12:36:55 PM  
Drink a lot of beer. Because, Pilgrims.
 
2013-11-11 12:37:29 PM  
Oh, and something I learned from Fark today:

Family Research Council + Fox & Friends + posted in the last 24 hours = guaranteed greenlight
 
2013-11-11 12:38:38 PM  

Maturin: It violates my religious rights when I cannot deny contraception to other people.


Which makes me wonder, with whom do they think they are winning this argument with?
 
2013-11-11 12:40:41 PM  

UNC_Samurai: raerae1980: Does this dude not understand that by interfering with my right to have this medicine, which is what Birth Control is, he is messing with my religious freedom.   I'm on Birth control, have been since I was 16.  I had a medical reason for it, outside of just not wanting to get pregnant.  He's forcing me to obey his 'religious freedom' but what about mine?   It's not against my religion to have this medicine.   FTA:I think this administration has a very narrow view of the First Amendment, that first freedom, the freedom of religion," Perkins explained. "I think they see religious freedom as fine with it as long as it's in the four walls of a church. But if it comes into workplace, the marketplace, if it comes into the public square, it's not welcome."

Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.

This hate group should love the Pilgrims.  They came to the New World not seeking religious freedom, but because both the English AND the Dutch kicked them out for being uptight assholes.  Nobody in Europe wanted to deal with their religious zealotry.  And when they got here they did a wonderful job of exercising religious tyranny.

Hell, the whole reason Rhode Island came to exist was because Anne Hutchinson DARED tell the Puritanical leaders why they were uptight assholes.  And we can't have womenfolk thinking for themselves.

TL; DR:  The Pilgrims were a hate group, just like the FRC.


Not to mention that they banned ALL holiday celebrations because they were pagan and not Christian. they compromised on the Harvest Home (aka Thanksgiving) because they at least could understand that thanking God for a good harvest was not of the debil.
 
2013-11-11 12:42:05 PM  
Keep on eroding employer provided health insurance.   Public option here we come!

You don't want to include contraceptive coverage?  Fine, but now you have to issue a stipend to the employee in the amount that you would have contributed to that employee's coverage so that she or he can go out on the state exchanges to buy a policy.
 
2013-11-11 12:42:09 PM  
For some reason "what would pilgrims do?" in regards to this question conjures up images of Beeswax.
 
2013-11-11 12:42:10 PM  
Pilgrims. They came to these shores to escape intolerance and religious persecution.
prints.encore-editions.com

Two years later.......

nanquick.files.wordpress.com
"HANG THE WITCH! HANG THE WITCH! HANG THE WITCH! HANG THE WITCH!"
 
2013-11-11 12:43:54 PM  

BSABSVR: Masturbate with a horn of plenty?


Carve the letter "A" into their chest?
 
2013-11-11 12:44:15 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Pilgrims. They came to these shores to escape intolerance and religious persecution.
[prints.encore-editions.com image 500x396]

Two years later.......

[nanquick.files.wordpress.com image 640x444]
"HANG THE WITCH! HANG THE WITCH! HANG THE WITCH! HANG THE WITCH!"


It's not "Persecution" when they do it. Duh.
 
2013-11-11 12:44:36 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: American conservatism and radical Islam are indistinguishable at this point.


Not surprising since right wing conservatives in the 80's had been whipping up muslim extremists in that part of the world in order to fight Commies in Afghanistan.
 
2013-11-11 12:46:04 PM  

lockers: Maturin: It violates my religious rights when I cannot deny contraception to other people.

Which makes me wonder, with whom do they think they are winning this argument with?


At least two of these guys: John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and/or Antonin Scalia
 
2013-11-11 12:46:23 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: raerae1980: Yea, dude, it's not welcome.  Not everyone follows your religion.   Keep that shiat behind its walls.   Basically, I'm very close to hating these people.

Wrong.  His religious freedom is more important than yours because he's a man and therefore allowed to mansplain to you what you're allowed to do with your sinhole.  Because Jesus.


Furthermore and such as, he's a sacred job creator while you are only hair's breadth above a welfare moocher.
 
2013-11-11 12:47:06 PM  

cryinoutloud: HMS_Blinkin: Wrong.  His religious freedom is more important than yours because he's a man and therefore allowed to mansplain to you what you're allowed to do with your sinhole.  Because Jesus.

How can miracles--all almost 8 billion of them now-- come from sinholes? This religion stuff is confusing. And that's a lot of miracles. It's almost like they're not miraculous at all.


They are miracles you damn lie-beral demoncrap.  And they're so precious while they're in their mother's sacred wombs.  But what you libs don't realize is that when babies leave via the sinhole (or through satanist modern "medicine") they become dangerous sinners whose lives must be forfeit to the state.  Going through the sinhole causes the transformation from life that must be protected at all costs to cannon-fodder or possible criminal.
 
2013-11-11 12:47:11 PM  
How could Pilgrim women practice birth control if aspirin (to hold between their knees) hadn't been invented yet?
 
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