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(USA Today)   Braves fans will have to stay home from a different stadium during the playoffs starting in 2017   (usatoday.com) divider line 129
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2013-11-11 12:06:25 PM  
All I hope for here is that this doesn't lead to teams stupidly abandoning or decrying 90's era downtown stadiums in favor of something site-built that will be looking out at nothing but highway and suburban office parks, will have absolutely no character, and will just generally be a complete and total waste of the resources they have in hand already.

Or, you know, the status quo and stereotypical response for the greater Atlanta area and its complete soullessness.

\will also make it the second-closest MLB park to its AAA counterpart, after Tacoma and Seattle
\\stealing the title from the Paw Sox & Red Sox
\\\and to further my point, just look at Coolray Field and think ,the same people want to build a major league stadium
 
2013-11-11 12:07:53 PM  
Cobb County, GA?  Nice to know they'll be serving Hard Time.
 
2013-11-11 12:19:13 PM  
As a Mets fan I strongly support the removal of Turner Field from my life
 
2013-11-11 12:38:08 PM  
Nice to know that GA thinks its important to spend taxpayer money on this, but refuse Medicaid expansion.

And in advance for all those who get annoyed I made this political, this is an inherently political story. Spending taxpayer money on stadiums is one of the most odious things that happens in local politics.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-11 01:18:26 PM  
Is "Braves" considered racist these days? I suggest "Cobb County Confederates" as the new team name.
 
2013-11-11 01:32:54 PM  

robsul82: Cobb County, GA?  Nice to know they'll be serving Hard Time.


Damnit, you beat me to it.


bearmythology.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-11 01:35:13 PM  
So apparently the lifespan of stadiums in Atlanta is about 20 years.  Will they be replacing the Hawks arena soon, too?

Oh, and Camden Yards just turned 20 -- better tear down that dump and build a new stadium out in the suburbs to stay ahead of the game.
 
2013-11-11 01:37:00 PM  

ZAZ: Is "Braves" considered racist these days? I suggest "Cobb County Confederates" as the new team name.


"Cobb County Crackers" flows better.
 
2013-11-11 01:39:02 PM  
Traffic is going to be a nightmare out there.   I suppose this is being done because of the neighborhood because it solves none of the issues with transportation.

I doubt the citizens of Cobb will want to pay the taxes necessary to raise $450M which will inevitably turn their hellish commutes even worse.  I'm wondering if this is a negotiation tactic.
 
2013-11-11 01:42:13 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm wondering if this is a negotiation tactic.


that's what I was thinking too - Reed came out in the past hour saying it would have cost "millions" for the lease renewal (although he had no big issues with the new GA Dome)

No MARTA, that area is a parking lot on any given Tuesday afternoon, and the pre-game is going to be what, hanging at the mall?  I'm biased because I'm south OTP, but Turner Field is really in good shape.  The areas surrounding could be improved, no doubt, but I could say that about Yankee Stadium or The Cell in Chicago as well.
 
2013-11-11 01:42:21 PM  
A new stadium is not going to help.  The Braves have to move to a new city.  They win exactly one World Series wherever they go, and the Atlanta win was 18 years ago.  How about the "Montreal First Nations".
 
2013-11-11 01:45:56 PM  

lilbjorn: ZAZ: Is "Braves" considered racist these days? I suggest "Cobb County Confederates" as the new team name.

"Cobb County Crackers" flows better.


Atlanta's negro league team back in the day was the Black Crackers so at least there'd be some history there?  Plus fans could all wear their CCC gear to the games!
 
2013-11-11 01:46:42 PM  

lilbjorn: A new stadium is not going to help.  The Braves have to move to a new city.  They win exactly one World Series wherever they go, and the Atlanta win was 18 years ago.  How about the "Montreal First Nations".


No, Montreal already showed they can't support a team.  If you're going to go outside the borders of the US, let me suggest:
Tijuana Donkeys
Cuban Missiles (surely The Beard will have died in 4 years)
 
2013-11-11 01:49:40 PM  
When I lived in Atlanta going to the Stadium was easy...just take the subway downtown, hop on a free shuttle, and you're at the stadium.  I'm curious how that's going to work now.
 
2013-11-11 01:50:04 PM  

swankywanky: Rapmaster2000: I'm wondering if this is a negotiation tactic.

that's what I was thinking too - Reed came out in the past hour saying it would have cost "millions" for the lease renewal (although he had no big issues with the new GA Dome)

No MARTA, that area is a parking lot on any given Tuesday afternoon, and the pre-game is going to be what, hanging at the mall?  I'm biased because I'm south OTP, but Turner Field is really in good shape.  The areas surrounding could be improved, no doubt, but I could say that about Yankee Stadium or The Cell in Chicago as well.


Keep in mind, Cobb just turned down a penny sales tax for schools, but they're giving Liberty Media $450M whose majority owner is worth $6.7B. They also negotiated this without public input.  It's going to be interesting.
 
2013-11-11 01:50:51 PM  
Stadiums older than Turner Field:

Fenway Park, Boston, 1912.
Wrigley Field, Chicago, 1914.
Dodger Stadium, Los Angeles, 1962.
Angel Stadium, Anaheim, 1966.
O.co Coliseum, Oakland, 1966.
Kaufman Stadium, Kansas City, 1973
Rogers Centre, Toronto, 1989.
Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, 1990/1998.
U.S. Cellular Field, Chicago, 1991.
Oriole Park (Camden Yards), Baltimore, 1992.
Progressive Field, Cleveland, 1994.
Rangers Ballpark, Arlington, 1994.
Coors Field, Denver, 1995.

Only Oakland has a current active effort for stadium replacement as far as I know.
 
2013-11-11 01:52:29 PM  

FrancoFile: lilbjorn: A new stadium is not going to help.  The Braves have to move to a new city.  They win exactly one World Series wherever they go, and the Atlanta win was 18 years ago.  How about the "Montreal First Nations".

No, Montreal already showed they can't support a team.  If you're going to go outside the borders of the US, let me suggest:
Tijuana Donkeys
Cuban Missiles (surely The Beard will have died in 4 years)


'Can't support a team' isn't really the term I'd use. More like 'won't support a team'. The 1994 strike killed baseball in Montreal. They finally figured it was their year, then all of a sudden the World Series was cancelled, and the fanbase said 'well, then, fark it all' and went back to the Canadiens and never looked back.
 
2013-11-11 01:56:12 PM  

FreakinB: As a Mets fan I strongly support the removal of Turner Field from my life


As a Nationals fan I agree.
 
2013-11-11 01:56:25 PM  

wxboy: Stadiums older than Turner Field:

Fenway Park, Boston, 1912.
Wrigley Field, Chicago, 1914.
Dodger Stadium, Los Angeles, 1962.
Angel Stadium, Anaheim, 1966.
O.co Coliseum, Oakland, 1966.
Kaufman Stadium, Kansas City, 1973
Rogers Centre, Toronto, 1989.
Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, 1990/1998.
U.S. Cellular Field, Chicago, 1991.
Oriole Park (Camden Yards), Baltimore, 1992.
Progressive Field, Cleveland, 1994.
Rangers Ballpark, Arlington, 1994.
Coors Field, Denver, 1995.

Only Oakland has a current active effort for stadium replacement as far as I know.


There is the matter of the Rays, remember.

Really, I think only three stadiums could even be argued to be in any need of replacement: Oakland, Tampa Bay and maybe, perhaps, if you squint, Toronto. Everybody else in the league is perfectly good as far as a stadium goes. We really have a pretty good slate of parks, historically speaking. There are very few clunkers left and we're in the process of dealing with them.
 
2013-11-11 02:07:14 PM  

lilbjorn: ZAZ: Is "Braves" considered racist these days? I suggest "Cobb County Confederates" as the new team name.

"Cobb County Crackers" flows better.


"Cobb County Commuters" if you know Atlanta.
 
2013-11-11 02:07:27 PM  

wxboy: Stadiums older than Turner Field:

Fenway Park, Boston, 1912.


101 years old? Holy shiat! Why kind of shiatty neighborhood must that dump be in? And what about the plumbing? Do people piss in outhouses there or something? I mean how can they even think of getting to the next level and winning a World Series in a craphole like that?

media.naplesnews.com

...oh.
 
2013-11-11 02:07:30 PM  
This is stupid. There is NOTHING wrong with Turner Field itself. If money is just burning a hole in your pocket, use it to improve the neighborhood; that's what 90% of the people that have a problem with Turner Field complain about.

FriarReb98: \will also make it the second-closest MLB park to its AAA counterpart, after Tacoma and Seattle
\\stealing the title from the Paw Sox & Red Sox
\\\and to further my point, just look at Coolray Field and think ,the same people want to build a major league stadium


I think the new stadium would actually be a bit further away from Coolray than Turner is now. This WOULD however move them slightly closer to their A affiliate in Rome.

robsul82: Cobb County, GA?  Nice to know they'll be serving Hard Time.


Not as long as they heed the signs: "Respect Law and Order"
 
2013-11-11 02:07:56 PM  
Ah a true naked money grab.  Public losses, private profits.  This is about them having the properties AROUND the park owned by the Braves.  They really don't give a crap about access, they care about owning the parking.  So the revenue stream (eating, parking, parking) will become the BRAVES money and the county pays for the stadium.
This type of stuff makes me sick.  It's one thing to give a tax incentive (a la Intel, Apple and most high tech company's) and it's another to just pay for the factory outright.  That's what they have done you know.  Cobb county is buying the Braves their factory.  Public ownership of the means of production.  SOCIALISM!!

/I was going to submit a "Tired of their 17 year old stadium, the PedoBraves move on to something younger" thread but couldn't/didn't
 
2013-11-11 02:10:38 PM  
I went to Turner Field a couple years ago, it's a pretty nice stadium. Absolutely no need for them to move.
 
2013-11-11 02:13:38 PM  

wxboy: Stadiums older than Turner Field:

Fenway Park, Boston, 1912.
Wrigley Field, Chicago, 1914.
Dodger Stadium, Los Angeles, 1962.
Angel Stadium, Anaheim, 1966.
O.co Coliseum, Oakland, 1966.
Kaufman Stadium, Kansas City, 1973
Rogers Centre, Toronto, 1989.
Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, 1990/1998.
U.S. Cellular Field, Chicago, 1991.
Oriole Park (Camden Yards), Baltimore, 1992.
Progressive Field, Cleveland, 1994.
Rangers Ballpark, Arlington, 1994.
Coors Field, Denver, 1995.

Only Oakland has a current active effort for stadium replacement as far as I know.


The problem isn't with the stadium, rather, the problem is with the city/area, and the fact they would have to sign another 20-year lease in order to continue using Turner Field. Moving to Cobb was a brilliant move, as it puts the team and stadium closer to their ticket-buying fanbase. Going to games at Turner is a logistical nightmare, especially if you try to go on a weeknight after work. Everyone in Atlanta knows that, and the drive downtown is a major factor that has hurt ticket sales over the years. The area that Turner Field doesn't help either - it is smack in the middle of the hood. When I used to get free tickets from work, I would constantly get harassed by bums walking from the car to the stadium. Putting the stadium in a better area will help fans, especially ones with kids feel safer.

It's about damn time an Atlanta sports team did this.
 
2013-11-11 02:13:56 PM  
Their statement is that the field wasn't supposed to be used for this long. Is that just an excuse or do you guys actually have foundation and structural problems with karst topography down in ga?
 
2013-11-11 02:17:43 PM  

WTFdoesitmatter: wxboy: Stadiums older than Turner Field:

Fenway Park, Boston, 1912.
Wrigley Field, Chicago, 1914.
Dodger Stadium, Los Angeles, 1962.
Angel Stadium, Anaheim, 1966.
O.co Coliseum, Oakland, 1966.
Kaufman Stadium, Kansas City, 1973
Rogers Centre, Toronto, 1989.
Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, 1990/1998.
U.S. Cellular Field, Chicago, 1991.
Oriole Park (Camden Yards), Baltimore, 1992.
Progressive Field, Cleveland, 1994.
Rangers Ballpark, Arlington, 1994.
Coors Field, Denver, 1995.

Only Oakland has a current active effort for stadium replacement as far as I know.

The problem isn't with the stadium, rather, the problem is with the city/area, and the fact they would have to sign another 20-year lease in order to continue using Turner Field. Moving to Cobb was a brilliant move, as it puts the team and stadium closer to their ticket-buying fanbase. Going to games at Turner is a logistical nightmare, especially if you try to go on a weeknight after work. Everyone in Atlanta knows that, and the drive downtown is a major factor that has hurt ticket sales over the years. The area that Turner Field doesn't help either - it is smack in the middle of the hood. When I used to get free tickets from work, I would constantly get harassed by bums walking from the car to the stadium. Putting the stadium in a better area will help fans, especially ones with kids feel safer.

It's about damn time an Atlanta sports team did this.


That is the whitest thing I have ever heard.
 
2013-11-11 02:18:38 PM  
My wife used to live about a five minute walk from where they're proposing to put this (and she still commutes past there). What everyone else is saying is true - that 285/75/41 cloverleaf area gets congested FAST on an average day! Adding in games that start at 7:30 (or even a Wednesday afternoon game) is going to make it impossible to go anywhere near there. I imagine local business owners may at first think this is good, but when they realize much of the community has stopped coming out on nights and weekends, they'll regret it.
They can't really widen 41 anymore there, either, without tearing down some of those businesses.
 
2013-11-11 02:19:18 PM  

deanis: That is the whitest thing I have ever heard.


Thank you for saying this before I did so less delicately.
 
2013-11-11 02:22:34 PM  

WTFdoesitmatter: . Going to games at Turner is a logistical nightmare, especially if you try to go on a weeknight after work.


The top end of the perimeter is more congested than downtown on a weeknight after work.  Unless you live in Cobb County, you're not going to have an easier drive to the game.

This totally sucks for me.  Living in Decatur, I take I-20 to Hill St and come to the stadium from the East side which is much easier than coming to the stadium from the North (which everyone does even though it would be faster to take 285 down to I-20).

So now it's a long drive out to the sticks.  At least people can stop saying that they never go to games because "it's so scary".  Now they can just blame the traffic.
 
2013-11-11 02:24:01 PM  

Gaambit: My wife used to live about a five minute walk from where they're proposing to put this (and she still commutes past there). What everyone else is saying is true - that 285/75/41 cloverleaf area gets congested FAST on an average day! Adding in games that start at 7:30 (or even a Wednesday afternoon game) is going to make it impossible to go anywhere near there. I imagine local business owners may at first think this is good, but when they realize much of the community has stopped coming out on nights and weekends, they'll regret it.
They can't really widen 41 anymore there, either, without tearing down some of those businesses.


So you're saying that highways get congested near a city at about 6pm?

Crazy shiat!
 
2013-11-11 02:25:25 PM  

MugzyBrown: So you're saying that highways get congested near a city at about 6pm?

Crazy shiat!


the northern arc of 285 (between 75 and 85) is particularly bad
 
2013-11-11 02:25:53 PM  
No way this holds up
- Cobb is like Tea Party heaven, hell they haven't met public projects they like at all
- The idea that Cobb voters will support $450MM is ludicrous
- They hates them gay folks (see 96 torch run)
- That area has horrible traffic at 10 at night on a Tuesday

Negotiating tactic, until they break ground it's not happening
 
2013-11-11 02:27:35 PM  

thecpt: Their statement is that the field wasn't supposed to be used for this long. Is that just an excuse or do you guys actually have foundation and structural problems with karst topography down in ga?


The problem is that's a completely bogus excuse to begin with.  When they built the olympic stadium, they did it with the full intention of eventually converting it into a home for the Braves.  The part that would be re-used (along the lines, and right field) were more permanent structures while the rest was cheaper bleachers that would be torn down.  To put out a statement saying that they've been managing with some thrown-together stadium for the past 20 years is ridiculous.

olympics.ballparks.com
 
2013-11-11 02:31:20 PM  

balki1867: thecpt: Their statement is that the field wasn't supposed to be used for this long. Is that just an excuse or do you guys actually have foundation and structural problems with karst topography down in ga?

The problem is that's a completely bogus excuse to begin with.  When they built the olympic stadium, they did it with the full intention of eventually converting it into a home for the Braves.  The part that would be re-used (along the lines, and right field) were more permanent structures while the rest was cheaper bleachers that would be torn down.  To put out a statement saying that they've been managing with some thrown-together stadium for the past 20 years is ridiculous.


Thanks, yeah I didn't know. Saying that something is past it's economic life cycle can be a legit excuse, well unless it's a lie.
 
2013-11-11 02:49:45 PM  
Apparently the Braves put out a distribution map of season-ticket holders to make their point:

homeofthebraves.com
Call me nuts, but is it odd to anyone else how closely the distribution is tied to zip codes? It's like, within any given zip code, the distribution is rather even, but between zip codes, there's really sharp relief. Is that normal?
 
2013-11-11 02:50:57 PM  
Put a stadium in the burbs, build a mile wide parking lot, make everyone drive an hour to get to the game, make the stadium completely inaccessible by MTU or foot.

Cry about traffic, gas, license fees, condition of roadways.

Realize your mistake when it's too late.

Suburban sprawl affects stadiums too, I guess.
 
2013-11-11 02:53:06 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Keep in mind, Cobb just turned down a penny sales tax for schools, but they're giving Liberty Media $450M whose majority owner is worth $6.7B. They also negotiated this without public input.  It's going to be interesting.


If by interesting you mean, someone's political blood will be spilled over this then, yes, it will be interesting.
 
2013-11-11 02:53:47 PM  

Gosling: Apparently the Braves put out a distribution map of season-ticket holders to make their point:

[homeofthebraves.com image 850x616]
Call me nuts, but is it odd to anyone else how closely the distribution is tied to zip codes? It's like, within any given zip code, the distribution is rather even, but between zip codes, there's really sharp relief. Is that normal?


You should see the congressional maps.
 
2013-11-11 02:55:20 PM  
I would say this is the most idiotic things I have heard, then I remind my self that the Braves did sign BJ Upton to the largest contract in Braves history.
 
2013-11-11 02:56:19 PM  

Gosling: Apparently the Braves put out a distribution map of season-ticket holders to make their point:

[homeofthebraves.com image 850x616]
Call me nuts, but is it odd to anyone else how closely the distribution is tied to zip codes? It's like, within any given zip code, the distribution is rather even, but between zip codes, there's really sharp relief. Is that normal?


Could be bogus (or just a stupid algorithm), but I think it's at least partly a reflection of the fact that those red dots are much, much bigger than actual house would be. Once there are more than a certain proportion of ticket holders in an area, the dots all bleed together and make the whole thing solid red.

I don't know Atlanta well at all. How much do those zip codes align with city/county boundaries?  Because people do move to put themselves on one side or the other of an arbitrary political boundary (actual difference in services, aspiration, class/race/culture self-sorting).
 
2013-11-11 03:11:05 PM  
Wow, we will have the Kennesaw State 'football stadium' and now the Braves?

Suck it Gwinnett.
 
2013-11-11 03:13:15 PM  

FrancoFile: Gosling: Apparently the Braves put out a distribution map of season-ticket holders to make their point:

[homeofthebraves.com image 850x616]
Call me nuts, but is it odd to anyone else how closely the distribution is tied to zip codes? It's like, within any given zip code, the distribution is rather even, but between zip codes, there's really sharp relief. Is that normal?

Could be bogus (or just a stupid algorithm), but I think it's at least partly a reflection of the fact that those red dots are much, much bigger than actual house would be. Once there are more than a certain proportion of ticket holders in an area, the dots all bleed together and make the whole thing solid red.

I don't know Atlanta well at all. How much do those zip codes align with city/county boundaries?  Because people do move to put themselves on one side or the other of an arbitrary political boundary (actual difference in services, aspiration, class/race/culture self-sorting).


City Boundries. if you look up Zip codes covered in red in the super zip code thing posted to FARK yesterday you will see those are the most affluent areas.

One of the reasons for moving (according to someone I know in the Braves Front Office) is improved traffic flow and parking.  I can tell you from experience it can take an hour to leave a parking lot after the game due to the streets around the stadium.  Compounding the problem is a lack of signage and set routes for leaving.  The city has promised to conduct a traffic study and reroute roads on game days for the last 20 years and has not delivered.
 
2013-11-11 03:18:09 PM  

Tom_Slick: FrancoFile: Gosling: Apparently the Braves put out a distribution map of season-ticket holders to make their point:

[homeofthebraves.com image 850x616]
Call me nuts, but is it odd to anyone else how closely the distribution is tied to zip codes? It's like, within any given zip code, the distribution is rather even, but between zip codes, there's really sharp relief. Is that normal?

Could be bogus (or just a stupid algorithm), but I think it's at least partly a reflection of the fact that those red dots are much, much bigger than actual house would be. Once there are more than a certain proportion of ticket holders in an area, the dots all bleed together and make the whole thing solid red.

I don't know Atlanta well at all. How much do those zip codes align with city/county boundaries?  Because people do move to put themselves on one side or the other of an arbitrary political boundary (actual difference in services, aspiration, class/race/culture self-sorting).

City Boundries. if you look up Zip codes covered in red in the super zip code thing posted to FARK yesterday you will see those are the most affluent areas.

One of the reasons for moving (according to someone I know in the Braves Front Office) is improved traffic flow and parking.  I can tell you from experience it can take an hour to leave a parking lot after the game due to the streets around the stadium.  Compounding the problem is a lack of signage and set routes for leaving.  The city has promised to conduct a traffic study and reroute roads on game days for the last 20 years and has not delivered.


They couldn't just use the numbers they gathered during the Olympics as a baseline?  Or previous patterns at the old stadium? Or the Omni?  Or football games at the Georgia Dome?  How incompetent are the city/county/state transportation people?
 
2013-11-11 03:19:39 PM  

FrancoFile: Gosling: Apparently the Braves put out a distribution map of season-ticket holders to make their point:

[homeofthebraves.com image 850x616]
Call me nuts, but is it odd to anyone else how closely the distribution is tied to zip codes? It's like, within any given zip code, the distribution is rather even, but between zip codes, there's really sharp relief. Is that normal?

Could be bogus (or just a stupid algorithm), but I think it's at least partly a reflection of the fact that those red dots are much, much bigger than actual house would be. Once there are more than a certain proportion of ticket holders in an area, the dots all bleed together and make the whole thing solid red.

I don't know Atlanta well at all. How much do those zip codes align with city/county boundaries?  Because people do move to put themselves on one side or the other of an arbitrary political boundary (actual difference in services, aspiration, class/race/culture self-sorting).


Not so much city boundaries as it is where the money is in and around the city.  The cob clover leaf is already a a mess and on a Friday it is a complete clusterfark.  Thank you Cobb for creating another downtown connector.  This will force the commuters to use the proposed Cobb corridor toll lanes.

www.nwcproject.com

http://www.cobbdot.org/connectcobb.htm">www.cobbdot.org/connectcobb. htm
 
2013-11-11 03:20:05 PM  

FrancoFile: I don't know Atlanta well at all. How much do those zip codes align with city/county boundaries?


it's pretty white, if that's what you're asking.  And believe me, the area where the stadium now is most decidedly not white, this is like a photo negative move.
 
2013-11-11 03:22:37 PM  

swankywanky: FrancoFile: I don't know Atlanta well at all. How much do those zip codes align with city/county boundaries?

it's pretty white, if that's what you're asking.  And believe me, the area where the stadium now is most decidedly not white, this is like a photo negative move.


LOL - I saw this map on an ipad earlier but now looking on a bigger monitor I can read the zips - where I live is like the island of season ticket holders (my brother-in-law is one) left hanging south of the city

//why yes, we do own a golf cart, why do you ask?  :-)
 
2013-11-11 03:24:03 PM  

balki1867: thecpt: Their statement is that the field wasn't supposed to be used for this long. Is that just an excuse or do you guys actually have foundation and structural problems with karst topography down in ga?

The problem is that's a completely bogus excuse to begin with.  When they built the olympic stadium, they did it with the full intention of eventually converting it into a home for the Braves.  The part that would be re-used (along the lines, and right field) were more permanent structures while the rest was cheaper bleachers that would be torn down.  To put out a statement saying that they've been managing with some thrown-together stadium for the past 20 years is ridiculous.

[olympics.ballparks.com image 416x300]


I went to some track and field events during the Olympics. We had seats down what would become the third base line. I was talking to an usher between events and found out that I was sitting in the last section of what would later become Turner Field
 
2013-11-11 03:27:57 PM  

Tom_Slick: One of the reasons for moving (according to someone I know in the Braves Front Office) is improved traffic flow and parking.  I can tell you from experience it can take an hour to leave a parking lot after the game due to the streets around the stadium.  Compounding the problem is a lack of signage and set routes for leaving.  The city has promised to conduct a traffic study and reroute roads on game days for the last 20 years and has not delivered.


Honestly, traffic isn't a huge issue with Turner Field -except- if you're coming from the north (which by that map IS most of their ticket holders) because of the Downtown Connector.. which is a mess regardless of the Braves game. I honestly don't think any sort of road rerouting would do anything to alleviate that; you'd pretty much need a whole new north-south freeway (fun fact: I-675 and GA-400 was supposed to be the same north-south freeway, connected by what is now Moreland Ave, but the plans were scrapped due to public outcry). Parking, I agree is an issue.

Here's the other thing: though Turner Field isn't directly MARTA accessible, there are shuttle buses from the nearest station (and its not that bad of a walk either if you're not a delicate snowflower). This new stadium is nowhere near MARTA.
 
2013-11-11 03:28:34 PM  
Interesting that they are moving from a mostly black racial area to a white one (Green dots are Black, Blue is White, yellow is Hispanic and red is Asian).  I found this map odd since there are clear racial enclaves.  No melting pot in Atlanta?
clatl.com
Map and stuff from here: http://demographics.coopercenter.org/DotMap/index.html
 
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