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(Opposing Views)   Kid shot dead by police said to have anger issues. Dad called police on his own son because apparently cops are just like therapists except with loaded guns   (opposingviews.com) divider line 138
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2013-11-11 11:55:35 AM  
After watching the dash cam of the kid careening off-road in the middle of campus, I have no issues with the cop's actions.
 
2013-11-11 12:23:01 PM  
Followup and Repeat tags have anger issues too.
 
2013-11-11 12:23:40 PM  
The police are doing retroactive abortions now?
 
2013-11-11 12:25:01 PM  
Anybody who would call the cops to teach his son a lesson is a farking moron.  If you don't know that cops shoot first and ask questions later these days, you haven't been paying attention.
 
2013-11-11 12:25:36 PM  
I'm with him.

If you shot me dead, I'd be angry too.
 
2013-11-11 12:26:48 PM  

impaler: After watching the dash cam of the kid careening off-road in the middle of campus, I have no issues with the cop's actions.


This is one of those rare cases where the cops share 0% of the blame.
 
2013-11-11 12:26:59 PM  
You call the cops, you're writing off the kid.
 
2013-11-11 12:28:22 PM  

kelphead: impaler: After watching the dash cam of the kid careening off-road in the middle of campus, I have no issues with the cop's actions.

This is one of those rare cases where the cops share 0% of the blame.


Oh, yes. I have no problem with the cops here.
 
2013-11-11 12:29:54 PM  
So... Darwin.
 
2013-11-11 12:30:16 PM  

impaler: After watching the dash cam of the kid careening off-road in the middle of campus, I have no issues with the cop's actions.


I echo all of the above.  Cops were in the right on this one.
 
2013-11-11 12:31:06 PM  
I have no problems with this kid being dead. He was bound to injure or kill someone innocent if he hadn't been stopped.
 
2013-11-11 12:32:06 PM  
That video was crazy.  If that kid kept going, he probably would have somebody over.  I'm not saying that shooting him was necessarily the best option, but given how recklessly he was driving I am not sure what else they could have done.
 
2013-11-11 12:32:26 PM  
It really bothers me that they claim he was unarmed.  A vehicle is a weapon, and he was clearly demonstrating his willingness to use it as such.
 
2013-11-11 12:33:32 PM  

tetsoushima: That video was crazy.  If that kid kept going, he probably would have   ran somebody over.  I'm not saying that shooting him was necessarily the best option, but given how recklessly he was driving I am not sure what else they could have done.

 
2013-11-11 12:34:31 PM  
Good guys with guns spotted at last
 
2013-11-11 12:35:19 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: You call the cops, you're writing off the kid.


Kid was living in a shelter, he had already been written off.
 
2013-11-11 12:38:32 PM  
Add me to the list of the cops had no other choice.  We know many officers and nearly all of them sincerely want to go through their careers firing 0 bullets off the practice range.

My brother was the worst kind of person when I was young--much too long to detail here.  Sometimes a parent has to call for the police, and it's entirely up to the kid/young adult how far the use of force is escalated.

/Yes, there are bad cops in the world and they should be investigated and punished--this is not one of those cases.
 
2013-11-11 12:39:37 PM  
Holy crap... when I first heard this story it didn't sound like the chase was all that serious. But then you watch the video, numerous red lights ran -- then he goes into a park/campus area with people walking around.

Hate to see deadly force used, but the cops were justified.
 
2013-11-11 12:39:49 PM  
I love the way submitter acts like its the Dads fault when the kid stole his truck. You don't send the kid to a therapist for grand theft auto.

The dad may have a lot to answer for, but probably not this.
 
2013-11-11 12:39:51 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: I'm with him.

If you shot me dead, I'd be angry too.


You'd better believe that's a haunting.
 
2013-11-11 12:41:04 PM  
I wonder why the son ran; he escalated the situation. Not only that; but, he rammed a police car! I'd like to hear what the son's tox screen ends up being.

And I'm not seeing that the cop who shot the son had much of a choice. They probably could have backed off and picked the son up later; but, it didn't look like the son cared who he hurt.

I just can't imagine a situation where I'd be unwelcome to stay in my parents' home; I'm betting that the son was violent with family members. Also, I'd bet gold to lead that the son had a serious drug habit and stole things from the family home
 
2013-11-11 12:41:24 PM  

jaybeezey: HotIgneous Intruder: You call the cops, you're writing off the kid.

Kid was living in a shelter, he had already been written off.


He was 19 years old. Perhaps drugs were involved, given how angry he was over "cigarette money"
 
2013-11-11 12:42:33 PM  
"Somebody gonna get hurt real bad"
 
2013-11-11 12:42:39 PM  
I agree that they kinda needed to shoot him after the whole thing was said and done, but really it was preventable.  They shouldn't have engaged him on the chase in the first place. That's the reason so many cities have a "no pursuit" policy.

The guy was off his rocker, yes. But he wouldn't have been driving like that if there weren't sirens going behind him.
 
2013-11-11 12:44:06 PM  
I'd like to see how the average therapist would react if you tried to kill him with your car.
 
2013-11-11 12:45:20 PM  

Jument: I'd like to see how the average therapist would react if you tried to kill him with your car.


"Tell me about your motor."
 
2013-11-11 12:45:21 PM  

MycroftHolmes: It really bothers me that they claim he was unarmed.  A vehicle is a weapon,.


That'd be like saying a rock is a weapon. A rock can certainly be used as a weapon, but so can anything. A gun is a weapon. A tank is a weapon. A Hellfire missile is a weapon.
 
2013-11-11 12:45:30 PM  
This is a tragedy. The cops did the only thing that cops are trained to do. Don't ever call the cops on someone you love unless you know they are better off dead.
 
2013-11-11 12:47:17 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: MycroftHolmes: It really bothers me that they claim he was unarmed.  A vehicle is a weapon,.

That'd be like saying a rock is a weapon. A rock can certainly be used as a weapon, but so can anything. A gun is a weapon. A tank is a weapon. A Hellfire missile is a weapon.


That may be so, but a rock is definitely a weapon when you're using it to bash someone's skull in.  Just like how a vehicle is a weapon when you repeatedly ram people's cars with it.
 
2013-11-11 12:49:07 PM  

Mr.Poops: But then you watch the video, numerous red lights ran -- then he goes into a park/campus area with people walking around.


Almost literally in the middle of the ISU campus.

Between classes, these sidewalks are pretty full.

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2013-11-11 12:49:07 PM  

Jument: I'd like to see how the average therapist would react if you tried to kill him with your car.


Did you see "what about Bob?"
 
2013-11-11 12:50:44 PM  
Guy was obviously out of control, but a number of things make me think he might have had a psychopath for a dad. This would be the breaking point he was driven to for who knows how long. Doesn't justify anything he did, but it would help explain it.

The only way to know for sure is if i could meet the father and see if he's just feeling sorry for himself right now.
 
2013-11-11 12:54:22 PM  
You called the cops on your own kid. Send your complaints to www.nobodygivesashiat.org
 
2013-11-11 12:55:57 PM  

NEDM: Sin_City_Superhero: MycroftHolmes: It really bothers me that they claim he was unarmed.  A vehicle is a weapon,.

That'd be like saying a rock is a weapon. A rock can certainly be used as a weapon, but so can anything. A gun is a weapon. A tank is a weapon. A Hellfire missile is a weapon.

That may be so, but a rock is definitely a weapon when you're using it to bash someone's skull in.  Just like how a vehicle is a weapon when you repeatedly ram people's cars with it.


My point being that if you describe every person who has an item capable of being used as a weapon as "armed", then the term "unarmed" loses all meaning, as anything can be used as a weapon. The term "unarmed", in this context, is pointing out that he didn't possess a gun, or a knife, or a Hellfire missile.
 
2013-11-11 12:57:48 PM  
I'm not going to say the police had no choice but that was a tough situation they were in with that guy. The dad didn't have to call the cops in the first place though.
 
2013-11-11 12:57:53 PM  
You people saying the father should not have called the police would be saying he's a moron for calling a therapist if he were to kill someone with his vehicle. First half of my life I would have never thought it was possible for cops to be called upon for (teenage) kids, I had a pretty calm life growing up.

Now, I understand. Therapists and phychiatric help is pertinent for proactive and for normal control issues, but in the issue of immediate danger to others/self? There is an obligation for restraint, even if the cops show up to restrain and then have an ambulance deliver the teen to a hospital for psychiatric care.

In my experience our local police have been stellar in terms of being part of the "village" to help families and teens with mental health issues. I pray for those communities who cannot say the same.
 
2013-11-11 12:58:27 PM  
Also calling him unarmed is bullshiat as if cars cannot be used as weapons...
 
2013-11-11 01:00:47 PM  

Bootysama: Also calling him unarmed is bullshiat as if cars cannot be used as weapons...


I think the last thing the US needs is for people to begin thinking driving is guaranteed to everyone by the second amendment.
 
2013-11-11 01:01:06 PM  

impaler: After watching the dash cam of the kid careening off-road in the middle of campus, I have no issues with the cop's actions.


This-itty this.

An item capable of doing harm, used in a way to intentionally cause harm, with the intent of causing harm is a weapon. I don't care if that item is a car, a gun, or a chessboard.
 
2013-11-11 01:01:46 PM  

lockers: This is a tragedy



Nope. Not every death is a tragedy.
 
2013-11-11 01:01:49 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Guy was obviously out of control, but a number of things make me think he might have had a psychopath for a dad. This would be the breaking point he was driven to for who knows how long. Doesn't justify anything he did, but it would help explain it.

The only way to know for sure is if i could meet the father and see if he's just feeling sorry for himself right now.


Crazy sometimes runs in families.
 
2013-11-11 01:02:36 PM  

Snarfangel: Jument: I'd like to see how the average therapist would react if you tried to kill him with your car.

"Tell me about your motor."


Let me tell you about my motor.

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2013-11-11 01:06:20 PM  

Fruit Chews: You people saying the father should not have called the police would be saying he's a moron for calling a therapist if he were to kill someone with his vehicle. First half of my life I would have never thought it was possible for cops to be called upon for (teenage) kids, I had a pretty calm life growing up.

Now, I understand. Therapists and phychiatric help is pertinent for proactive and for normal control issues, but in the issue of immediate danger to others/self? There is an obligation for restraint, even if the cops show up to restrain and then have an ambulance deliver the teen to a hospital for psychiatric care.

In my experience our local police have been stellar in terms of being part of the "village" to help families and teens with mental health issues. I pray for those communities who cannot say the same.


Also, any therapist/psychiatrist will recommend the same, so it is futile to claim he should not call the police but should partner with a therapist/psych. They will TELL him to do this and update them later.
 
2013-11-11 01:09:12 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: MycroftHolmes: It really bothers me that they claim he was unarmed.  A vehicle is a weapon,.

That'd be like saying a rock is a weapon. A rock can certainly be used as a weapon, but so can anything. A gun is a weapon. A tank is a weapon. A Hellfire missile is a weapon.


You know, in the old days that's how we dealt with Neanderthals.  With rocks.
 
2013-11-11 01:11:04 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: lockers: This is a tragedy


Nope. Not every death is a tragedy.


Police, rightfully, gunned down a kid with mental health issues who were called by his dad? That sure sounds like what the greek would have written a play about.
 
2013-11-11 01:12:51 PM  

Fruit Chews: You people saying the father should not have called the police would be saying he's a moron for calling a therapist if he were to kill someone with his vehicle. First half of my life I would have never thought it was possible for cops to be called upon for (teenage) kids, I had a pretty calm life growing up.

Now, I understand. Therapists and phychiatric help is pertinent for proactive and for normal control issues, but in the issue of immediate danger to others/self? There is an obligation for restraint, even if the cops show up to restrain and then have an ambulance deliver the teen to a hospital for psychiatric care.

In my experience our local police have been stellar in terms of being part of the "village" to help families and teens with mental health issues. I pray for those communities who cannot say the same.


You raise an interesting point.

If the kid were mentally ill or on drugs then he is liable for anything the kid does, whether someone is hurt or not, if he fails to report his truck as stolen
And we don't know if the father is to blame forthis guys mental state at all. Having known addicts, they can get into a lot of trouble all on their own.
 
2013-11-11 01:13:00 PM  

dabbletech: Sin_City_Superhero: MycroftHolmes: It really bothers me that they claim he was unarmed.  A vehicle is a weapon,.

That'd be like saying a rock is a weapon. A rock can certainly be used as a weapon, but so can anything. A gun is a weapon. A tank is a weapon. A Hellfire missile is a weapon.

You know, in the old days that's how we dealt with Neanderthals

Charlie Brown. With Rocks.

FTFY

www.trigonman3.com
 
2013-11-11 01:13:57 PM  
It would be nice if people would read the article before submitting headlines.. even nicer if people would read the article before commenting, rather than base their butthurt off of a misleading headline.
 
2013-11-11 01:14:34 PM  

dabbletech: Sin_City_Superhero: MycroftHolmes: It really bothers me that they claim he was unarmed.  A vehicle is a weapon,.

That'd be like saying a rock is a weapon. A rock can certainly be used as a weapon, but so can anything. A gun is a weapon. A tank is a weapon. A Hellfire missile is a weapon.

You know, in the old days that's how we dealt with Neanderthals.  With rocks.


See... if the Neanderthals had thought to invent real weapons, they might still be here today.

/As opposed to shopping at Wal-Mart
//Silly Neanderthals.
 
2013-11-11 01:19:50 PM  

Headso Z


The dad didn't have to call the cops in the first place though.


The kid stole the work truck that belonged to the father's employer. If the father hadn't reported the vehicle stolen, the company probably would hold him responsible if anything happened to the truck or to other parties as a result of the unauthorized operation of the truck.
 
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