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(Fox News)   America has boots on the ground in yet another country. Thanks Obama   (foxnews.com ) divider line
    More: PSA, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, United States, Philippines, boots on the ground, typhoons, U.S. Pacific Command, Typhoon Haiyan  
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2013-11-10 08:04:21 PM  
7 votes:
Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.
2013-11-10 08:34:07 PM  
5 votes:
I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.
2013-11-10 09:03:05 PM  
4 votes:

doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.


I agree. When people need help, you help them. Arguing about whose territory the P.I. was and for how long and whose responsibility is what is just so much smoke and mirrors and bullshiat. Keep the politics out of humanitarian aid.
2013-11-10 10:14:37 PM  
3 votes:

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


This.   the blood of our two peoples spilled defending those islands, from Corregidor to Bataan to Manllia and even the epic battle of Leyte gulf.    Add to that the many partisan groups fighting the Japanese often with americans fighting alongside Philepenos.  As MacArthur once said we shall return.
2013-11-10 08:19:07 PM  
3 votes:
The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.
2013-11-10 09:47:14 PM  
2 votes:

The AlbinoSaxon: jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.

I should have listened... why didn't I listen...


Never read the bottom half of the internet. Nothing good will come of it.
2013-11-10 08:32:45 PM  
2 votes:
They asked us, we responded.

Sounds about right.
2013-11-10 08:17:52 PM  
2 votes:
Save the  LBFM's!
2013-11-10 08:06:58 PM  
2 votes:
We have returned
2013-11-11 09:55:54 AM  
1 vote:

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


Ack!  This gem:

Remember how the cities in both Louisiana and New Jersey were flooded with foreign troops assisting in aid to the victims of our disasters?   Neither do I.

...because I do remember foreign aid organizations flocking to New Orleans because we could not get our shiat together.  The Germans brought a portable flood pump, because the USA either couldn't or wouldn't provide such a thing.
2013-11-10 10:56:09 PM  
1 vote:
Gyrfalcon:   I'm not sure why a 100-year "obligation" is more important than just doing the right thing because they're in straits, and they asked us for help.

I agree with the above.  The Philippines is simply a close ally of the US and presumably you help your friends.  Despite the Philippines being a small and relatively poor country, it has helped (albeit small effort) the US in several wars - it sent troops to Korea, Vietnam and was part of the multinational force in the Iraq War.  It offered to send an aid team after Hurricane Katrina (I'm not sure if it was ultimately sent).

My parents immigrated from the Philippines in the 70's and still have a fair number of relatives there.  And I travel there on occassion for family and business.  As such, the FARK discussion about the insurrection in the early 20th century, WWII and whatever exploitation happened during the US colonial period bothers me.  As far as I know, I've never heard Filipinos say something like oh the Americans owe us...   most Filipinos have an obvious fondness for Americans and there is no owed debt.  Whatever shortcomings the Philippine economy has or its corrupt govt, any political discussion puts the blame on Filipinos themselves for mismanagement.

The country is a developing economy with fairly decent growth numbers.  It has a lot of problems, but its almost never in the top 10 or even top 15 donor recipients on US aid.  So, in terms of chronic welfare recipients taking US dollars, I think you had better look at Egypt or Israel first.
2013-11-10 09:59:42 PM  
1 vote:

jso2897: Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.

Anyway - do we have to be obligated to do any goddamned decent thing we do?


Apparently.

I'm not sure why a 100-year "obligation" is more important than just doing the right thing because they're in straits, and they asked us for help.
2013-11-10 09:13:42 PM  
1 vote:

Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.


Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.
2013-11-10 09:12:34 PM  
1 vote:

Flint Ironstag: I'd forgotten about the "Marine holding an umbrella" thing. Idiots posting the Marine uniform regulations saying they can't carry umbrellas, ignoring the fact that "carrying" is not the same as "using it to protect the POTUS". A briefcase isn't on the Marine approved uniform either, do they throw a hissy fit when a Marine carries the nuclear football?


Why don't you ask one of these two scholars?

AtlasShrug13 minutes ago
obama is salivating about the thousands kiIIled in phillipines.
that will give him cover, as he kiIIls thousands in america.


Earthmoon14 minutes ago
MacArthur screwed up by not letting japan have them for food
2013-11-10 08:54:17 PM  
1 vote:

Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...


Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.
2013-11-10 08:50:45 PM  
1 vote:
s1.ibtimes.com

"there was nothing left for us to do but to take them all, and to educate the Filipinos, and uplift and civilize and Christianize them, and by God's grace do the very best we could by them, as our fellow-men for whom Christ also died..."
2013-11-10 08:41:28 PM  
1 vote:

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


I assumed this would be one of those things that absolutely no one would have a problem with except the most extreme libertarians who would rather let some more foreigners die rather than utilize resources we already had nearby to maybe help save some lives. Your comment scares me and makes me think that fringe might not be such a fringe after all. I dare not read those comments.
2013-11-10 08:40:15 PM  
1 vote:

jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?


Yes.
2013-11-10 08:38:59 PM  
1 vote:
Unless PI has changed since I was there in the 80s? There will be a lot of American pants on the ground shortly!
2013-11-10 08:34:51 PM  
1 vote:

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


Why? That's like trying to help Haiti.
2013-11-10 08:30:31 PM  
1 vote:

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?
2013-11-10 08:23:27 PM  
1 vote:

HotIgneous Intruder: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

We kicked Spain's ass for a colony and so we broke it, we bought it, right?
Better to be a hammer than a nail, amirite neocons?


Actually, yeah, we should. They've been trying to have a stable government there for years.

That the US does this for its former possessions is worth noting. Quite a few European nations handed their former colonies massive bills for infrastructure that was built without their permission upon letting them become independent nations.
2013-11-10 08:22:14 PM  
1 vote:
Nice headline, subby, great for the HOTY context category.
2013-11-10 08:19:36 PM  
1 vote:
remember the maine, to hell with spain!
2013-11-10 08:19:11 PM  
1 vote:

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


We kicked Spain's ass for a colony and so we broke it, we bought it, right?
Better to be a hammer than a nail, amirite neocons?
2013-11-10 08:18:02 PM  
1 vote:
Good, good. Now is the PERFECT time to invade.
 
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