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2013-11-10 11:38:00 PM
I read the comments in the article.

I am now leaving the internet.

I shall return.
 
2013-11-10 11:47:13 PM
Medic Zero:

So, how long to you propose we continue with reparations? Especially considering the levels of corruption there, it's about as effective as giving money to Haiti?


Value to exploit? Reparations? Haiti?  We give far more aid to plenty of other countries, I don't hear you biatching about that.

Why don't you return to your so-called "grumpy evening"?
 
2013-11-11 12:23:16 AM

Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.

I'm aware of the insurrection. What i want to know is what there is of value in the Philippines for us to exploit.

Manila folders.


You scare me sometimes. That kind of quick wit has not been seen since MST3K went off the air.
 
2013-11-11 12:33:49 AM

SirEattonHogg: Medic Zero:

So, how long to you propose we continue with reparations? Especially considering the levels of corruption there, it's about as effective as giving money to Haiti?


Value to exploit? Reparations? Haiti?  We give far more aid to plenty of other countries, I don't hear you biatching about that.

Why don't you return to your so-called "grumpy evening"?


Oh, I thought this thread was about the Phillipines, allow me to biatch about the other aid we give to other countries: I don't think we should give money to Eqypt or Pakistan or probably most of the other countries.

Just so we're clear, I'm 100% okay with our military providing assistance to disaster victims in any part of the world at any time. What I don't want is us giving money to corrupt governments after that. I have the same issues with the Red Cross at home.

And, welcome to fark, farker, this is THE place to be when you're grumpy, so suck it asswipe.
 
2013-11-11 12:38:47 AM

FormlessOne: jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.

I thought you were being humorous.

I read some of them, as well.

I, too, shouldn't have done that.


[challenge accepted]

2 minutes later...

*head desk*
*head desk*
*head desk*

Ow.

Hey, guess what I just figured out.

Beating your forehead into you desk blotter over and over again is much like reading those comments.

Ya know, in that it feels really good when ya stop.
 
2013-11-11 12:47:32 AM
Medic Zero:

Just so we're clear, I'm 100% okay with our military providing assistance to disaster victims in any part of the world at any time. What I don't want is us giving money to corrupt governments after that. I have the same issues with the Red Cross at home.

And, welcome to fark, farker, this is THE place to be when you're grumpy, so suck it asswipe.


Thanks for the clarification. Now it makes some sense, dickhead.
 
2013-11-11 01:14:20 AM

Notabunny: So he can send troops to the Philippines, but he didn't send anyone to help NoLa after Katrina? Why does 0bama hate America?


This comment. It's the winner of the evening. Hat's off, sir/madam.
 
2013-11-11 01:26:55 AM

SirEattonHogg: Gyrfalcon:   I'm not sure why a 100-year "obligation" is more important than just doing the right thing because they're in straits, and they asked us for help.

I agree with the above.  The Philippines is simply a close ally of the US and presumably you help your friends.  Despite the Philippines being a small and relatively poor country, it has helped (albeit small effort) the US in several wars - it sent troops to Korea, Vietnam and was part of the multinational force in the Iraq War.  It offered to send an aid team after Hurricane Katrina (I'm not sure if it was ultimately sent).

My parents immigrated from the Philippines in the 70's and still have a fair number of relatives there.  And I travel there on occassion for family and business.  As such, the FARK discussion about the insurrection in the early 20th century, WWII and whatever exploitation happened during the US colonial period bothers me.  As far as I know, I've never heard Filipinos say something like oh the Americans owe us...   most Filipinos have an obvious fondness for Americans and there is no owed debt.  Whatever shortcomings the Philippine economy has or its corrupt govt, any political discussion puts the blame on Filipinos themselves for mismanagement.

The country is a developing economy with fairly decent growth numbers.  It has a lot of problems, but its almost never in the top 10 or even top 15 donor recipients on US aid.  So, in terms of chronic welfare recipients taking US dollars, I think you had better look at Egypt or Israel first.


I agree with what you've said, but I also wanted to say I hope your family is okay. Direct or distant relatives.
My direct ones are fine, but my distant ones are yet to be accounted for.
A lot of them lived in Leyte...
 
2013-11-11 01:42:12 AM
I heard your mom was stationed over there.
 
2013-11-11 01:50:13 AM
 
2013-11-11 02:21:44 AM
I just don't know how I feel about helping anyone around the world anymore.
 
2013-11-11 02:49:56 AM

studebaker hoch: I heard your mom was stationed over there.


Yeah, she was a WAC. Rumor was they recruited old maids for the war but momma wasn't one of those. I've known her all these years.
 
2013-11-11 02:58:49 AM

phrawgh: studebaker hoch: I heard your mom was stationed over there.

Yeah, she was a WAC. Rumor was they recruited old maids for the war but momma wasn't one of those. I've known her all these years.


What kind of Cheap Trick are you trying to pull? ;>p
 
2013-11-11 09:46:24 AM

Deep Contact: They must of been punished for something.


Yes, for ignoring Global Warming.
 
2013-11-11 09:55:54 AM

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


Ack!  This gem:

Remember how the cities in both Louisiana and New Jersey were flooded with foreign troops assisting in aid to the victims of our disasters?   Neither do I.

...because I do remember foreign aid organizations flocking to New Orleans because we could not get our shiat together.  The Germans brought a portable flood pump, because the USA either couldn't or wouldn't provide such a thing.
 
2013-11-11 10:00:43 AM

Medic Zero: FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.

IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.


Please tell me more.  How long has the navy had ships specifically purposed for humanitarian aid?
 
2013-11-11 10:10:16 AM

shirtsbyeric: Deep Contact: They must of been punished for something.

Yes, for ignoring Global Warming.


Hurricane should of been named Vinnie. The envelope was lite.
 
2013-11-11 10:12:01 AM
Glad to hear we're helping, this disaster has not gotten the press it should.
 
2013-11-11 12:29:07 PM

flondrix: Medic Zero: FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.

IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.

Please tell me more.  How long has the navy had ships specifically purposed for humanitarian aid?


The first US naval hospital ship under the 1907 Hague Convention was the USS Relief, commissioned in 1921.  We currently operate the USNS Mercy and Comfort (T-AH -19 and -20), based in San Diego and Baltimore respectively.  They are both unarmed medical relief ships (converted supertankers) operated by Military Sealift Command and commanded by the Navy Medical Corps.  They can also provide supplemental power and water purification capacity whereever they are deployed.

/The more you know...
 
2013-11-11 02:20:45 PM

FloridaWombat: flondrix: Medic Zero: FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.

IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.

Please tell me more.  How long has the navy had ships specifically purposed for humanitarian aid?

The first US naval hospital ship under the 1907 Hague Convention was the USS Relief, commissioned in 1921.  We currently operate the USNS Mercy and Comfort (T-AH -19 and -20), based in San Diego and Baltimore respectively.  They are both unarmed medical relief ships (converted supertankers) operated by Military Sealift Command and commanded by the Navy Medical Corps.  They can also provide supplemental power and water purification capacity whereever they are deployed.

/The more you know...


My step-dad was aboard the USS Benevolence when she collided with the SS Mary Luckenbach, and sank just outside the Golden Gate, in 1950. He was rescued safely, but 23 others lost their lives.
 
2013-11-11 04:38:27 PM

FloridaWombat: flondrix: Medic Zero: FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.

IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.

Please tell me more.  How long has the navy had ships specifically purposed for humanitarian aid?

The first US naval hospital ship under the 1907 Hague Convention was the USS Relief, commissioned in 1921.  We currently operate the USNS Mercy and Comfort (T-AH -19 and -20), based in San Diego and Baltimore respectively.  They are both unarmed medical relief ships (converted supertankers) operated by Military Sealift Command and commanded by the Navy Medical Corps.  They can also provide supplemental power and water purification capacity whereever they are deployed.

/The more you know...


Thanks! Glad to see this was covered, and well. Hope he enjoyed his humble pie!
 
2013-11-11 06:46:38 PM

Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.




Housekeepers.
 
2013-11-11 06:54:56 PM

alfuso: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Housekeepers.


Which is baffling, because we have free range, organic, fair trade house keepers right here. Hell, they pay all the costs of importing themselves, and once they crossed the border and the desert you can call them "locally sourced" too.
 
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