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2013-11-10 08:04:21 PM  
Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.
 
2013-11-10 08:06:58 PM  
We have returned
 
2013-11-10 08:17:47 PM  
Maybe this will ease the tensions over us running a ship into their coral reefs.
 
2013-11-10 08:17:52 PM  
Save the  LBFM's!
 
2013-11-10 08:18:02 PM  
Good, good. Now is the PERFECT time to invade.
 
2013-11-10 08:19:07 PM  
The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.
 
2013-11-10 08:19:11 PM  

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


We kicked Spain's ass for a colony and so we broke it, we bought it, right?
Better to be a hammer than a nail, amirite neocons?
 
2013-11-10 08:19:36 PM  
remember the maine, to hell with spain!
 
2013-11-10 08:19:50 PM  
I thought we had an air base or naval station of some sort there.

fusillade762: Good, good. Now is the PERFECT time to invade.


Last time we tried to hold down the Philippines it was Vietnam all before again.
 
2013-11-10 08:21:24 PM  

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


This will help.
 
2013-11-10 08:21:25 PM  
Uh, oh. Subby mentioned Obama, so I've come prepared.............


cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-11-10 08:22:14 PM  
Nice headline, subby, great for the HOTY context category.
 
2013-11-10 08:22:26 PM  
Responded much faster than Katrina, too.
 
2013-11-10 08:22:48 PM  
HotIgneous Intruder:We kicked Spain's ass for a colony and so we broke it, we bought it, right?


Sooooo much more complicated than that....but yeah.
 
2013-11-10 08:23:27 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

We kicked Spain's ass for a colony and so we broke it, we bought it, right?
Better to be a hammer than a nail, amirite neocons?


Actually, yeah, we should. They've been trying to have a stable government there for years.

That the US does this for its former possessions is worth noting. Quite a few European nations handed their former colonies massive bills for infrastructure that was built without their permission upon letting them become independent nations.
 
2013-11-10 08:28:51 PM  

phrawgh: Save the  LBFM's!


Damn just damn
 
2013-11-10 08:30:31 PM  

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?
 
2013-11-10 08:32:45 PM  
They asked us, we responded.

Sounds about right.
 
2013-11-10 08:34:07 PM  
I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.
 
2013-11-10 08:34:08 PM  
Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.
 
2013-11-10 08:34:45 PM  

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


I thought you were being humorous.

I read some of them, as well.

I, too, shouldn't have done that.
 
2013-11-10 08:34:51 PM  

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


Why? That's like trying to help Haiti.
 
2013-11-10 08:36:00 PM  

phrawgh: Save the  LBFM's!


Because there's a shortage of those?
 
2013-11-10 08:37:54 PM  

jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?


This.
 
2013-11-10 08:38:41 PM  

jshine: Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?


You may be unaware of this but the US was not liberating a European colony as much as stealing it.

Anyway, good luck Filipinos.  Hope you recover quickly.
 
2013-11-10 08:38:56 PM  

Medic Zero: phrawgh: Save the  LBFM's!

Because there's a shortage of those?


You can never have enough.
 
2013-11-10 08:38:59 PM  
Unless PI has changed since I was there in the 80s? There will be a lot of American pants on the ground shortly!
 
2013-11-10 08:39:50 PM  

phrawgh: Save the  LBFM's!


Obviously an old sailor?
 
2013-11-10 08:40:14 PM  

FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.


IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.
 
2013-11-10 08:40:15 PM  

jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?


Yes.
 
2013-11-10 08:41:28 PM  

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


I assumed this would be one of those things that absolutely no one would have a problem with except the most extreme libertarians who would rather let some more foreigners die rather than utilize resources we already had nearby to maybe help save some lives. Your comment scares me and makes me think that fringe might not be such a fringe after all. I dare not read those comments.
 
2013-11-10 08:44:34 PM  
WARGARBL I BLAME OBAMA!! wait this is a humanitarian effort from the typhoon?  WARGARBL I BLAME OBAMA
 
2013-11-10 08:44:37 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

We kicked Spain's ass for a colony and so we broke it, we bought it, right?
Better to be a hammer than a nail, amirite neocons?


And then Pinnatubo blows it's top again, and everything goes to shiat again... Pick your battles.
 
2013-11-10 08:46:31 PM  

TomServo0: jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

Yes.


I see you covered it for me.  Thanks.
 
2013-11-10 08:46:40 PM  

picturescrazy: jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.

I assumed this would be one of those things that absolutely no one would have a problem with except the most extreme libertarians who would rather let some more foreigners die rather than utilize resources we already had nearby to maybe help save some lives. Your comment scares me and makes me think that fringe might not be such a fringe after all. I dare not read those comments.


Jack Roth 1 minute ago
Our Marines do not belong doing relief aid. That can be handled by non-military personal. Is there anything else Obama can furthervdo to degrade our Military, like having one of them hold his umbrella during his speeches?

I'd liek to think its seething with sarcasm but i bet the mouthbreather wholeheartedly believes this

/taken from the comments section,
 
2013-11-10 08:48:13 PM  
Gergesa: jshine: Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

You may be unaware of this but the US was not liberating a European colony as much as stealing it.


The territory belonged belonged to Spain prior to the Spanish American War.  Now it is independent (and not independent through an armed conflict with the US, but by treaty --  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Manila_%281946%29 ).

Yes, the US did maintain possession of the territory for about 50 years in the interim, but that doesn't alter the accuracy of the above statements.
 
2013-11-10 08:49:37 PM  

roadkillontheweb: phrawgh: Save the  LBFM's!

Obviously an old sailor?


Soldiers and former soldiers get around as well. ;)
 
2013-11-10 08:50:45 PM  
s1.ibtimes.com

"there was nothing left for us to do but to take them all, and to educate the Filipinos, and uplift and civilize and Christianize them, and by God's grace do the very best we could by them, as our fellow-men for whom Christ also died..."
 
2013-11-10 08:51:17 PM  

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


You piqued my curiousity, and you're right. I shouldn't have done that. I noticed that "Farkus" got his comment deleted. Fess up, Farkus, who are you, and what did you say?
 
2013-11-10 08:51:26 PM  

OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.


Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...
 
2013-11-10 08:54:17 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...


Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.
 
2013-11-10 08:58:34 PM  

doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.


I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.
 
2013-11-10 08:58:43 PM  
LOL when it's something bad, regardless of who controls it Fox uses "Obama" in the headline.

When it's something good, regardless of Obama's ordering it, Fox uses any other name in the headline.  Preferably a name or title that sounds Republican.
 
2013-11-10 09:00:10 PM  

jshine: Gergesa: jshine: Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

You may be unaware of this but the US was not liberating a European colony as much as stealing it.


The territory belonged belonged to Spain prior to the Spanish American War.  Now it is independent (and not independent through an armed conflict with the US, but by treaty --  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Manila_%281946%29 ).

Yes, the US did maintain possession of the territory for about 50 years in the interim, but that doesn't alter the accuracy of the above statements.


Huh. 1946. Right around the time every where else in Europe were cutting colonial ties and abandoning the whole concept.

The US tried playing empire like everyone else in Europe and cut their loses when they realize you dont need to colonize a country to steal from it, just like everyone else in Europe figured out. Saying that the US liberated and freed the Philippines from Spain is about as disingenuous  as saying that the English liberated and freed the United States from the Dutch.
 
2013-11-10 09:01:28 PM  

TomServo0: jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

Yes.
On June 2, 1899, the First Philippine Republic officially declared war against the United States.[15] The war officially ended on July 4, 1902.


How ongoing do you want it to be? Just out of curiosity.

I don't disagree with helping the Philippines, of course; I just think that's the wrong reason.
 
2013-11-10 09:02:02 PM  

Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.



Maybe we didn't fight hard enough to keep the Japanese from invading during the period that the US controlled the Philippines ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Philippines_%281941%E2%80% 9 342%29 )?  Granted we did defeat the Japanese eventually, but they did a lot of damage while they were occupying the islands.
 
2013-11-10 09:03:05 PM  

doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.


I agree. When people need help, you help them. Arguing about whose territory the P.I. was and for how long and whose responsibility is what is just so much smoke and mirrors and bullshiat. Keep the politics out of humanitarian aid.
 
2013-11-10 09:04:16 PM  

Fallout Boy: jshine: Gergesa: jshine: Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

You may be unaware of this but the US was not liberating a European colony as much as stealing it.


The territory belonged belonged to Spain prior to the Spanish American War.  Now it is independent (and not independent through an armed conflict with the US, but by treaty --  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Manila_%281946%29 ).

Yes, the US did maintain possession of the territory for about 50 years in the interim, but that doesn't alter the accuracy of the above statements.

Huh. 1946. Right around the time every where else in Europe were cutting colonial ties and abandoning the whole concept.

The US tried playing empire like everyone else in Europe and cut their loses when they realize you dont need to colonize a country to steal from it, just like everyone else in Europe figured out. Saying that the US liberated and freed the Philippines from Spain is about as disingenuous  as saying that the English liberated and freed the United States from the Dutch.


*France or Spain wouldve been a better example, in hindsight.
 
2013-11-10 09:05:43 PM  

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


you had to mention the comments section

/got curious
//then confused (grin the sheer wilful ignorance)
///some people...
 
2013-11-10 09:06:01 PM  

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


I should have listened... why didn't I listen...
 
2013-11-10 09:06:46 PM  

Craps the Gorilla: picturescrazy: jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.

I assumed this would be one of those things that absolutely no one would have a problem with except the most extreme libertarians who would rather let some more foreigners die rather than utilize resources we already had nearby to maybe help save some lives. Your comment scares me and makes me think that fringe might not be such a fringe after all. I dare not read those comments.

Jack Roth 1 minute ago
Our Marines do not belong doing relief aid. That can be handled by non-military personal. Is there anything else Obama can furthervdo to degrade our Military, like having one of them hold his umbrella during his speeches?

I'd liek to think its seething with sarcasm but i bet the mouthbreather wholeheartedly believes this

/taken from the comments section,


I'd forgotten about the "Marine holding an umbrella" thing. Idiots posting the Marine uniform regulations saying they can't carry umbrellas, ignoring the fact that "carrying" is not the same as "using it to protect the POTUS". A briefcase isn't on the Marine approved uniform either, do they throw a hissy fit when a Marine carries the nuclear football?
 
2013-11-10 09:08:44 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: I agree. When people need help, you help them.


Absolutely; and given the scale of this storm, I'd want to assist any country in need, regardless of their history from 50/100+ years ago.
 
2013-11-10 09:12:34 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I'd forgotten about the "Marine holding an umbrella" thing. Idiots posting the Marine uniform regulations saying they can't carry umbrellas, ignoring the fact that "carrying" is not the same as "using it to protect the POTUS". A briefcase isn't on the Marine approved uniform either, do they throw a hissy fit when a Marine carries the nuclear football?


Why don't you ask one of these two scholars?

AtlasShrug13 minutes ago
obama is salivating about the thousands kiIIled in phillipines.
that will give him cover, as he kiIIls thousands in america.


Earthmoon14 minutes ago
MacArthur screwed up by not letting japan have them for food
 
2013-11-10 09:13:42 PM  

Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.


Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.
 
2013-11-10 09:17:21 PM  
Possibly over 10,000 dead just in one area! So tragic. Good luck with the recovery.
 
2013-11-10 09:20:15 PM  

Fallout Boy: jshine: Gergesa: jshine: Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

You may be unaware of this but the US was not liberating a European colony as much as stealing it.


The territory belonged belonged to Spain prior to the Spanish American War.  Now it is independent (and not independent through an armed conflict with the US, but by treaty --  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Manila_%281946%29 ).

Yes, the US did maintain possession of the territory for about 50 years in the interim, but that doesn't alter the accuracy of the above statements.

Huh. 1946. Right around the time every where else in Europe were cutting colonial ties and abandoning the whole concept.

The US tried playing empire like everyone else in Europe and cut their loses when they realize you dont need to colonize a country to steal from it, just like everyone else in Europe figured out. Saying that the US liberated and freed the Philippines from Spain is about as disingenuous  as saying that the English liberated and freed the United States from the Dutch.


Thank you for calling him on this.
 
2013-11-10 09:21:25 PM  

skinink: Possibly over 10,000 dead just in one area! So tragic. Good luck with the recovery.

 
2013-11-10 09:23:41 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I'd forgotten about the "Marine holding an umbrella" thing. Idiots posting the Marine uniform regulations saying they can't carry umbrellas, ignoring the fact that "carrying" is not the same as "using it to protect the POTUS". A briefcase isn't on the Marine approved uniform either, do they throw a hissy fit when a Marine carries the nuclear football?


It's easy to find pictures of Marines (and other services) holding umbrellas for various former presidents and other distinguished individuals. I'm guessing the umbrella and uniform regs are not at the root of the issue. More likely because someone is half white.
 
2013-11-10 09:26:41 PM  
They must of been punished for something.
 
2013-11-10 09:28:23 PM  

Deep Contact: They must of been punished for something.


What's your Fox News handle?
 
2013-11-10 09:28:30 PM  

Medic Zero: FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.

IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.


Nope, just the Comfort and the Mercy are currently T-AH.  IIRC, the Wasp and Tarawa class Marine Corps assault ships have good medical facilities as well, but I figure they have better places to be.  In addition, the hospital ships can do a good bit of surplus power generation where ever they're located.

/Good friend of mine is retired MSC
 
2013-11-10 09:38:55 PM  

jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?


Not unless you consider making up for the hundreds of thousands (some estimates are over 1 million) civilian casualties we caused (mostly due to the concentration camps we set up) during the Phillipine-American war, which started after we reneged on promises made to the Filipinos after 'liberating' them from the Spanish.

(The Native Americans probably could have warned them about trusting the USA's word in the 1800's)
 
2013-11-10 09:39:26 PM  

jshine: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.


Maybe we didn't fight hard enough to keep the Japanese from invading during the period that the US controlled the Philippines ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Philippines_%281941%E2%80% 9 342%29 )?  Granted we did defeat the Japanese eventually, but they did a lot of damage while they were occupying the islands.


Wait what?! We're somehow responsible for Japanese war atrocities?! Ill give you credit, I've never heard that one before.

Maybe the Philippines Army could have done something?
 
2013-11-10 09:45:12 PM  
I hope the Canadians can get some help in there. I know we've already committed some money.

Oh, and Obama has committed troops to help with humanitarian aid? Thanks Obama!
 
2013-11-10 09:47:14 PM  

The AlbinoSaxon: jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.

I should have listened... why didn't I listen...


Never read the bottom half of the internet. Nothing good will come of it.
 
2013-11-10 09:49:24 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.


I'm aware of the insurrection. What i want to know is what there is of value in the Philippines for us to exploit.
 
2013-11-10 09:49:46 PM  

Gergesa: Thank you for calling him on this.


"Calling"?  Everything that's been said -- both my me and (generally by) the people who have replied -- is factually accurate.  Whether you view it as "good" or "bad" is a subjective matter, but also pretty irrelevant.

...and in any case, it's all pretty irrelevant vis-a-vis TFA.  Whatever happened 70+ years ago has no real bearing on our response to a typhoon today, which was the only real issue I took with the OP.
 
2013-11-10 09:50:10 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.


Anyway - do we have to be obligated to do any goddamned decent thing we do?
 
2013-11-10 09:58:28 PM  

jshine: "Calling"? Everything that's been said -- both my me


No, you described the US taking control of the Philippines as "liberating a European colony" when it would more accurately be called conquering it.  The description of the US "liberating" the Philippines from the Spanish is inaccurate.
 
2013-11-10 09:58:38 PM  
Thanks Obama? When will he do something for the Sandy victims?
 
2013-11-10 09:59:40 PM  

Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.


LBFMs and AAFES employees.
 
2013-11-10 09:59:42 PM  

jso2897: Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.

Anyway - do we have to be obligated to do any goddamned decent thing we do?


Apparently.

I'm not sure why a 100-year "obligation" is more important than just doing the right thing because they're in straits, and they asked us for help.
 
2013-11-10 09:59:43 PM  
I'm guessing the Thirty-Worst MEU is out saving the family of all the buy-me-drinky girls on Okinawa.
 
2013-11-10 10:03:19 PM  

Gergesa: jshine: "Calling"? Everything that's been said -- both my me

No, you described the US taking control of the Philippines as "liberating a European colony" when it would more accurately be called conquering it.  The description of the US "liberating" the Philippines from the Spanish is inaccurate.


jshine: The territory belonged belonged to Spain prior to the Spanish American War. Now it is independent (and not independent through an armed conflict with the US, but by treaty -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Manila_%281946%29 ).

Yes, the US did maintain possession of the territory for about 50 years in the interim, but that doesn't alter the accuracy of the above statements.


jshine: ...and in any case, it's all pretty irrelevant vis-a-vis TFA. Whatever happened 70+ years ago has no real bearing on our response to a typhoon today, which was the only real issue I took with the OP.



We all know what happened; it's not particularly complicated & there appears to be no dispute regarding the actual historical events.  It's all still irrelevant with regards to the typhoon-response.
 
2013-11-10 10:04:30 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I'm not sure why a 100-year "obligation" is more important than just doing the right thing because they're in straits, and they asked us for help.


The 100+ year "obligation" isn't required to do the right thing.  It is reason enough, however, to not accept any rationale for doing nothing.
 
2013-11-10 10:04:52 PM  
Also, seeing as we have been fighting Operation ENDURING FREEDOM-Philippines in the south for a while now, it makes sense to bolster our presence there.
 
2013-11-10 10:07:16 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I'm not sure why a 100-year "obligation" is more important than just doing the right thing because they're in straits, and they asked us for help.


Indeed!  The history of the islands makes no difference if your family just drowned in storm surge and your house is gone.  I'd wager that the vast majority of survivors on the ground are more concerned with clean drinking water and food than with the history of the 1890's.
 
2013-11-10 10:08:13 PM  
What makes you think we didn't already have some in there?
 
2013-11-10 10:12:44 PM  
Give to the Red Cross.
 
2013-11-10 10:13:56 PM  
Remember, the US military is a waste of money and should be defunded so that your potholes can be fixed instead. Oh, and everybody in the world hates us cuz we're selfish assholes.

At least, those were two of the things I learned from a thread yesterday.
 
2013-11-10 10:14:37 PM  

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


This.   the blood of our two peoples spilled defending those islands, from Corregidor to Bataan to Manllia and even the epic battle of Leyte gulf.    Add to that the many partisan groups fighting the Japanese often with americans fighting alongside Philepenos.  As MacArthur once said we shall return.
 
2013-11-10 10:14:58 PM  

jshine: It's all still irrelevant with regards to the typhoon-response.


Well debating over the correct usage of terminology is probably less important than wishing a speedy recovering to the Filipinos.
 
2013-11-10 10:16:46 PM  

jjorsett: Remember, the US military is a waste of money and should be defunded


I think some Gundams would be cool actually.  Though I hear they wouldn't really be practical because they would be huge targets that would be easy to topple.  Bothersome reality...
 
2013-11-10 10:16:51 PM  

Gergesa: jshine: It's all still irrelevant with regards to the typhoon-response.

Well debating over the correct usage of terminology is probably less important than wishing a speedy recovering to the Filipinos.


Indeed.
 
2013-11-10 10:20:17 PM  

Medic Zero: Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.

I'm aware of the insurrection. What i want to know is what there is of value in the Philippines for us to exploit.


Manila folders.
 
2013-11-10 10:28:16 PM  
The Philippines has been a friend and ally for many years.  The permanent bases are gone but there is usually a presence in the country. It is easy for the US to get resources into the Philippines. The US usually have military units assigned to assist their military in terms of training to deal with their various insurgencies and they can be redirected to help.  In addition our bases in Japan are close to the region so can push men, equipment and relief materials to the area. Chances are the US will push to get some ships deployed in ports to provide medical support as well as water and power in the next few days when time is critical and land based sources are being restored.  The US has the capability and generally offers it's resources in situations like this.
 
2013-11-10 10:35:12 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.

I'm aware of the insurrection. What i want to know is what there is of value in the Philippines for us to exploit.

Manila folders.


Okay, that got a genuine LOL!

Thanks! I was having an epically grumpy evening.
 
2013-11-10 10:35:15 PM  

Daedalus27: The Philippines has been a friend and ally for many years.  The permanent bases are gone but there is usually a presence in the country. It is easy for the US to get resources into the Philippines. The US usually have military units assigned to assist their military in terms of training to deal with their various insurgencies and they can be redirected to help.  In addition our bases in Japan are close to the region so can push men, equipment and relief materials to the area. Chances are the US will push to get some ships deployed in ports to provide medical support as well as water and power in the next few days when time is critical and land based sources are being restored.  The US has the capability and generally offers it's resources in situations like this.


That reads like a Rand Paul speech.
 
2013-11-10 10:36:10 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Craps the Gorilla: picturescrazy: jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.

I assumed this would be one of those things that absolutely no one would have a problem with except the most extreme libertarians who would rather let some more foreigners die rather than utilize resources we already had nearby to maybe help save some lives. Your comment scares me and makes me think that fringe might not be such a fringe after all. I dare not read those comments.

Jack Roth 1 minute ago
Our Marines do not belong doing relief aid. That can be handled by non-military personal. Is there anything else Obama can furthervdo to degrade our Military, like having one of them hold his umbrella during his speeches?

I'd liek to think its seething with sarcasm but i bet the mouthbreather wholeheartedly believes this

/taken from the comments section,

I'd forgotten about the "Marine holding an umbrella" thing. Idiots posting the Marine uniform regulations saying they can't carry umbrellas, ignoring the fact that "carrying" is not the same as "using it to protect the POTUS". A briefcase isn't on the Marine approved uniform either, do they throw a hissy fit when a Marine carries the nuclear football?



KBR has shown to be very good at supplying umbrella holder guys. For a small no bid contract, of course.
 
2013-11-10 10:46:39 PM  

doyner: Flint Ironstag: I'd forgotten about the "Marine holding an umbrella" thing. Idiots posting the Marine uniform regulations saying they can't carry umbrellas, ignoring the fact that "carrying" is not the same as "using it to protect the POTUS". A briefcase isn't on the Marine approved uniform either, do they throw a hissy fit when a Marine carries the nuclear football?

Why don't you ask one of these two scholars?

AtlasShrug13 minutes ago
obama is salivating about the thousands kiIIled in phillipines.
that will give him cover, as he kiIIls thousands in america.


Earthmoon14 minutes ago
MacArthur screwed up by not letting japan have them for food


"God bless America, my home sweet home..."

/any room in Canada for one more?
 
2013-11-10 10:46:40 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: What makes you think we didn't already have some in there?


This. Its a 1st Group destination
 
2013-11-10 10:49:32 PM  

Medic Zero: Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.

I'm aware of the insurrection. What i want to know is what there is of value in the Philippines for us to exploit.

Manila folders.

Okay, that got a genuine LOL!

Thanks! I was having an epically grumpy evening.


Medic Zero: Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.

I'm aware of the insurrection. What i want to know is what there is of value in the Philippines for us to exploit.

Manila folders.

Okay, that got a genuine LOL!

Thanks! I was having an epically grumpy evening.


Glad I could help.  ;>)
 
2013-11-10 10:50:19 PM  

jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?




It's a bit more complicated than that. The Philippines were trying to get their independence before Spanish American war. We actually committed a lot of atrocities while we held it.
 
2013-11-10 10:54:14 PM  
So he can send troops to the Philippines, but he didn't send anyone to help NoLa after Katrina? Why does 0bama hate America?
 
2013-11-10 10:56:09 PM  
Gyrfalcon:   I'm not sure why a 100-year "obligation" is more important than just doing the right thing because they're in straits, and they asked us for help.

I agree with the above.  The Philippines is simply a close ally of the US and presumably you help your friends.  Despite the Philippines being a small and relatively poor country, it has helped (albeit small effort) the US in several wars - it sent troops to Korea, Vietnam and was part of the multinational force in the Iraq War.  It offered to send an aid team after Hurricane Katrina (I'm not sure if it was ultimately sent).

My parents immigrated from the Philippines in the 70's and still have a fair number of relatives there.  And I travel there on occassion for family and business.  As such, the FARK discussion about the insurrection in the early 20th century, WWII and whatever exploitation happened during the US colonial period bothers me.  As far as I know, I've never heard Filipinos say something like oh the Americans owe us...   most Filipinos have an obvious fondness for Americans and there is no owed debt.  Whatever shortcomings the Philippine economy has or its corrupt govt, any political discussion puts the blame on Filipinos themselves for mismanagement.

The country is a developing economy with fairly decent growth numbers.  It has a lot of problems, but its almost never in the top 10 or even top 15 donor recipients on US aid.  So, in terms of chronic welfare recipients taking US dollars, I think you had better look at Egypt or Israel first.
 
2013-11-10 11:02:37 PM  

Medic Zero: jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

This.


Ahhhh not this.

The period after the Spanish American War was not great for the people of the Philippines.
 
2013-11-10 11:15:06 PM  
Fox news reporting that this is Obama's Katrina.
 
2013-11-10 11:18:55 PM  
If y'all think this thread is fun, wait 'til the typhoon hits Vietnam!
 
2013-11-10 11:26:43 PM  

doyner: If y'all think this thread is fun, wait 'til the typhoon hits Vietnam!


Typhoon Haiyan has been renamed Phở Lee Shiat
 
2013-11-10 11:27:57 PM  

b2theory: Medic Zero: jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

This.

Ahhhh not this.

The period after the Spanish American War was not great for the people of the Philippines.


So, how long to you propose we continue with reparations? Especially considering the levels of corruption there, it's about as effective as giving money to Haiti?
 
2013-11-10 11:38:00 PM  
I read the comments in the article.

I am now leaving the internet.

I shall return.
 
2013-11-10 11:47:13 PM  
Medic Zero:

So, how long to you propose we continue with reparations? Especially considering the levels of corruption there, it's about as effective as giving money to Haiti?


Value to exploit? Reparations? Haiti?  We give far more aid to plenty of other countries, I don't hear you biatching about that.

Why don't you return to your so-called "grumpy evening"?
 
2013-11-11 12:23:16 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: Danger Avoid Death: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Read up on the Philippine-American War. Also, get real. The US, either through our government or our corporations or both, has exploited every group of people we've ever dealt with, in some fashion or another, at some time or another.

I'm aware of the insurrection. What i want to know is what there is of value in the Philippines for us to exploit.

Manila folders.


You scare me sometimes. That kind of quick wit has not been seen since MST3K went off the air.
 
2013-11-11 12:33:49 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Medic Zero:

So, how long to you propose we continue with reparations? Especially considering the levels of corruption there, it's about as effective as giving money to Haiti?


Value to exploit? Reparations? Haiti?  We give far more aid to plenty of other countries, I don't hear you biatching about that.

Why don't you return to your so-called "grumpy evening"?


Oh, I thought this thread was about the Phillipines, allow me to biatch about the other aid we give to other countries: I don't think we should give money to Eqypt or Pakistan or probably most of the other countries.

Just so we're clear, I'm 100% okay with our military providing assistance to disaster victims in any part of the world at any time. What I don't want is us giving money to corrupt governments after that. I have the same issues with the Red Cross at home.

And, welcome to fark, farker, this is THE place to be when you're grumpy, so suck it asswipe.
 
2013-11-11 12:38:47 AM  

FormlessOne: jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.

I thought you were being humorous.

I read some of them, as well.

I, too, shouldn't have done that.


[challenge accepted]

2 minutes later...

*head desk*
*head desk*
*head desk*

Ow.

Hey, guess what I just figured out.

Beating your forehead into you desk blotter over and over again is much like reading those comments.

Ya know, in that it feels really good when ya stop.
 
2013-11-11 12:47:32 AM  
Medic Zero:

Just so we're clear, I'm 100% okay with our military providing assistance to disaster victims in any part of the world at any time. What I don't want is us giving money to corrupt governments after that. I have the same issues with the Red Cross at home.

And, welcome to fark, farker, this is THE place to be when you're grumpy, so suck it asswipe.


Thanks for the clarification. Now it makes some sense, dickhead.
 
2013-11-11 01:14:20 AM  

Notabunny: So he can send troops to the Philippines, but he didn't send anyone to help NoLa after Katrina? Why does 0bama hate America?


This comment. It's the winner of the evening. Hat's off, sir/madam.
 
2013-11-11 01:26:55 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Gyrfalcon:   I'm not sure why a 100-year "obligation" is more important than just doing the right thing because they're in straits, and they asked us for help.

I agree with the above.  The Philippines is simply a close ally of the US and presumably you help your friends.  Despite the Philippines being a small and relatively poor country, it has helped (albeit small effort) the US in several wars - it sent troops to Korea, Vietnam and was part of the multinational force in the Iraq War.  It offered to send an aid team after Hurricane Katrina (I'm not sure if it was ultimately sent).

My parents immigrated from the Philippines in the 70's and still have a fair number of relatives there.  And I travel there on occassion for family and business.  As such, the FARK discussion about the insurrection in the early 20th century, WWII and whatever exploitation happened during the US colonial period bothers me.  As far as I know, I've never heard Filipinos say something like oh the Americans owe us...   most Filipinos have an obvious fondness for Americans and there is no owed debt.  Whatever shortcomings the Philippine economy has or its corrupt govt, any political discussion puts the blame on Filipinos themselves for mismanagement.

The country is a developing economy with fairly decent growth numbers.  It has a lot of problems, but its almost never in the top 10 or even top 15 donor recipients on US aid.  So, in terms of chronic welfare recipients taking US dollars, I think you had better look at Egypt or Israel first.


I agree with what you've said, but I also wanted to say I hope your family is okay. Direct or distant relatives.
My direct ones are fine, but my distant ones are yet to be accounted for.
A lot of them lived in Leyte...
 
2013-11-11 01:42:12 AM  
I heard your mom was stationed over there.
 
2013-11-11 01:50:13 AM  
 
2013-11-11 02:21:44 AM  
I just don't know how I feel about helping anyone around the world anymore.
 
2013-11-11 02:49:56 AM  

studebaker hoch: I heard your mom was stationed over there.


Yeah, she was a WAC. Rumor was they recruited old maids for the war but momma wasn't one of those. I've known her all these years.
 
2013-11-11 02:58:49 AM  

phrawgh: studebaker hoch: I heard your mom was stationed over there.

Yeah, she was a WAC. Rumor was they recruited old maids for the war but momma wasn't one of those. I've known her all these years.


What kind of Cheap Trick are you trying to pull? ;>p
 
2013-11-11 09:46:24 AM  

Deep Contact: They must of been punished for something.


Yes, for ignoring Global Warming.
 
2013-11-11 09:55:54 AM  

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


Ack!  This gem:

Remember how the cities in both Louisiana and New Jersey were flooded with foreign troops assisting in aid to the victims of our disasters?   Neither do I.

...because I do remember foreign aid organizations flocking to New Orleans because we could not get our shiat together.  The Germans brought a portable flood pump, because the USA either couldn't or wouldn't provide such a thing.
 
2013-11-11 10:00:43 AM  

Medic Zero: FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.

IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.


Please tell me more.  How long has the navy had ships specifically purposed for humanitarian aid?
 
2013-11-11 10:10:16 AM  

shirtsbyeric: Deep Contact: They must of been punished for something.

Yes, for ignoring Global Warming.


Hurricane should of been named Vinnie. The envelope was lite.
 
2013-11-11 10:12:01 AM  
Glad to hear we're helping, this disaster has not gotten the press it should.
 
2013-11-11 12:29:07 PM  

flondrix: Medic Zero: FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.

IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.

Please tell me more.  How long has the navy had ships specifically purposed for humanitarian aid?


The first US naval hospital ship under the 1907 Hague Convention was the USS Relief, commissioned in 1921.  We currently operate the USNS Mercy and Comfort (T-AH -19 and -20), based in San Diego and Baltimore respectively.  They are both unarmed medical relief ships (converted supertankers) operated by Military Sealift Command and commanded by the Navy Medical Corps.  They can also provide supplemental power and water purification capacity whereever they are deployed.

/The more you know...
 
2013-11-11 02:20:45 PM  

FloridaWombat: flondrix: Medic Zero: FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.

IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.

Please tell me more.  How long has the navy had ships specifically purposed for humanitarian aid?

The first US naval hospital ship under the 1907 Hague Convention was the USS Relief, commissioned in 1921.  We currently operate the USNS Mercy and Comfort (T-AH -19 and -20), based in San Diego and Baltimore respectively.  They are both unarmed medical relief ships (converted supertankers) operated by Military Sealift Command and commanded by the Navy Medical Corps.  They can also provide supplemental power and water purification capacity whereever they are deployed.

/The more you know...


My step-dad was aboard the USS Benevolence when she collided with the SS Mary Luckenbach, and sank just outside the Golden Gate, in 1950. He was rescued safely, but 23 others lost their lives.
 
2013-11-11 04:38:27 PM  

FloridaWombat: flondrix: Medic Zero: FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.

IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.

Please tell me more.  How long has the navy had ships specifically purposed for humanitarian aid?

The first US naval hospital ship under the 1907 Hague Convention was the USS Relief, commissioned in 1921.  We currently operate the USNS Mercy and Comfort (T-AH -19 and -20), based in San Diego and Baltimore respectively.  They are both unarmed medical relief ships (converted supertankers) operated by Military Sealift Command and commanded by the Navy Medical Corps.  They can also provide supplemental power and water purification capacity whereever they are deployed.

/The more you know...


Thanks! Glad to see this was covered, and well. Hope he enjoyed his humble pie!
 
2013-11-11 06:46:38 PM  

Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.




Housekeepers.
 
2013-11-11 06:54:56 PM  

alfuso: Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.

Housekeepers.


Which is baffling, because we have free range, organic, fair trade house keepers right here. Hell, they pay all the costs of importing themselves, and once they crossed the border and the desert you can call them "locally sourced" too.
 
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