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(Fox News)   America has boots on the ground in yet another country. Thanks Obama   (foxnews.com) divider line 123
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2013-11-10 08:04:21 PM
Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.
 
2013-11-10 08:06:58 PM
We have returned
 
2013-11-10 08:17:47 PM
Maybe this will ease the tensions over us running a ship into their coral reefs.
 
2013-11-10 08:17:52 PM
Save the  LBFM's!
 
2013-11-10 08:18:02 PM
Good, good. Now is the PERFECT time to invade.
 
2013-11-10 08:19:07 PM
The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.
 
2013-11-10 08:19:11 PM

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


We kicked Spain's ass for a colony and so we broke it, we bought it, right?
Better to be a hammer than a nail, amirite neocons?
 
2013-11-10 08:19:36 PM
remember the maine, to hell with spain!
 
2013-11-10 08:19:50 PM
I thought we had an air base or naval station of some sort there.

fusillade762: Good, good. Now is the PERFECT time to invade.


Last time we tried to hold down the Philippines it was Vietnam all before again.
 
2013-11-10 08:21:24 PM

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


This will help.
 
2013-11-10 08:21:25 PM
Uh, oh. Subby mentioned Obama, so I've come prepared.............


cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-11-10 08:22:14 PM
Nice headline, subby, great for the HOTY context category.
 
2013-11-10 08:22:26 PM
Responded much faster than Katrina, too.
 
2013-11-10 08:22:48 PM
HotIgneous Intruder:We kicked Spain's ass for a colony and so we broke it, we bought it, right?


Sooooo much more complicated than that....but yeah.
 
2013-11-10 08:23:27 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

We kicked Spain's ass for a colony and so we broke it, we bought it, right?
Better to be a hammer than a nail, amirite neocons?


Actually, yeah, we should. They've been trying to have a stable government there for years.

That the US does this for its former possessions is worth noting. Quite a few European nations handed their former colonies massive bills for infrastructure that was built without their permission upon letting them become independent nations.
 
2013-11-10 08:28:51 PM

phrawgh: Save the  LBFM's!


Damn just damn
 
2013-11-10 08:30:31 PM

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?
 
2013-11-10 08:32:45 PM
They asked us, we responded.

Sounds about right.
 
2013-11-10 08:34:07 PM
I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.
 
2013-11-10 08:34:08 PM
Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.
 
2013-11-10 08:34:45 PM

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


I thought you were being humorous.

I read some of them, as well.

I, too, shouldn't have done that.
 
2013-11-10 08:34:51 PM

doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.


Why? That's like trying to help Haiti.
 
2013-11-10 08:36:00 PM

phrawgh: Save the  LBFM's!


Because there's a shortage of those?
 
2013-11-10 08:37:54 PM

jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?


This.
 
2013-11-10 08:38:41 PM

jshine: Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?


You may be unaware of this but the US was not liberating a European colony as much as stealing it.

Anyway, good luck Filipinos.  Hope you recover quickly.
 
2013-11-10 08:38:56 PM

Medic Zero: phrawgh: Save the  LBFM's!

Because there's a shortage of those?


You can never have enough.
 
2013-11-10 08:38:59 PM
Unless PI has changed since I was there in the 80s? There will be a lot of American pants on the ground shortly!
 
2013-11-10 08:39:50 PM

phrawgh: Save the  LBFM's!


Obviously an old sailor?
 
2013-11-10 08:40:14 PM

FloridaWombat: Any word if we are activating the USNS Mercy for deployment?  The most up to date information I found was that she was in home port in San Diego, and that the CO has just been replaced.


IIRC, there are three or four ships of that class. There's probably already one of them more or less in that area.
 
2013-11-10 08:40:15 PM

jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?


Yes.
 
2013-11-10 08:41:28 PM

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


I assumed this would be one of those things that absolutely no one would have a problem with except the most extreme libertarians who would rather let some more foreigners die rather than utilize resources we already had nearby to maybe help save some lives. Your comment scares me and makes me think that fringe might not be such a fringe after all. I dare not read those comments.
 
2013-11-10 08:44:34 PM
WARGARBL I BLAME OBAMA!! wait this is a humanitarian effort from the typhoon?  WARGARBL I BLAME OBAMA
 
2013-11-10 08:44:37 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

We kicked Spain's ass for a colony and so we broke it, we bought it, right?
Better to be a hammer than a nail, amirite neocons?


And then Pinnatubo blows it's top again, and everything goes to shiat again... Pick your battles.
 
2013-11-10 08:46:31 PM

TomServo0: jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

Yes.


I see you covered it for me.  Thanks.
 
2013-11-10 08:46:40 PM

picturescrazy: jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.

I assumed this would be one of those things that absolutely no one would have a problem with except the most extreme libertarians who would rather let some more foreigners die rather than utilize resources we already had nearby to maybe help save some lives. Your comment scares me and makes me think that fringe might not be such a fringe after all. I dare not read those comments.


Jack Roth 1 minute ago
Our Marines do not belong doing relief aid. That can be handled by non-military personal. Is there anything else Obama can furthervdo to degrade our Military, like having one of them hold his umbrella during his speeches?

I'd liek to think its seething with sarcasm but i bet the mouthbreather wholeheartedly believes this

/taken from the comments section,
 
2013-11-10 08:48:13 PM
Gergesa: jshine: Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

You may be unaware of this but the US was not liberating a European colony as much as stealing it.


The territory belonged belonged to Spain prior to the Spanish American War.  Now it is independent (and not independent through an armed conflict with the US, but by treaty --  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Manila_%281946%29 ).

Yes, the US did maintain possession of the territory for about 50 years in the interim, but that doesn't alter the accuracy of the above statements.
 
2013-11-10 08:49:37 PM

roadkillontheweb: phrawgh: Save the  LBFM's!

Obviously an old sailor?


Soldiers and former soldiers get around as well. ;)
 
2013-11-10 08:50:45 PM
s1.ibtimes.com

"there was nothing left for us to do but to take them all, and to educate the Filipinos, and uplift and civilize and Christianize them, and by God's grace do the very best we could by them, as our fellow-men for whom Christ also died..."
 
2013-11-10 08:51:17 PM

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


You piqued my curiousity, and you're right. I shouldn't have done that. I noticed that "Farkus" got his comment deleted. Fess up, Farkus, who are you, and what did you say?
 
2013-11-10 08:51:26 PM

OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.


Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...
 
2013-11-10 08:54:17 PM

Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...


Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.
 
2013-11-10 08:58:34 PM

doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.


I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.
 
2013-11-10 08:58:43 PM
LOL when it's something bad, regardless of who controls it Fox uses "Obama" in the headline.

When it's something good, regardless of Obama's ordering it, Fox uses any other name in the headline.  Preferably a name or title that sounds Republican.
 
2013-11-10 09:00:10 PM

jshine: Gergesa: jshine: Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

You may be unaware of this but the US was not liberating a European colony as much as stealing it.


The territory belonged belonged to Spain prior to the Spanish American War.  Now it is independent (and not independent through an armed conflict with the US, but by treaty --  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Manila_%281946%29 ).

Yes, the US did maintain possession of the territory for about 50 years in the interim, but that doesn't alter the accuracy of the above statements.


Huh. 1946. Right around the time every where else in Europe were cutting colonial ties and abandoning the whole concept.

The US tried playing empire like everyone else in Europe and cut their loses when they realize you dont need to colonize a country to steal from it, just like everyone else in Europe figured out. Saying that the US liberated and freed the Philippines from Spain is about as disingenuous  as saying that the English liberated and freed the United States from the Dutch.
 
2013-11-10 09:01:28 PM

TomServo0: jshine: doyner: Good.  We have a historical commitment to the Philippines.  We should always honor it.

What do you mean?  We have a commitment to the Philippines because we won the territory from Spain in the Spanish American War and then gave them their independence after WWII?  Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

Yes.
On June 2, 1899, the First Philippine Republic officially declared war against the United States.[15] The war officially ended on July 4, 1902.


How ongoing do you want it to be? Just out of curiosity.

I don't disagree with helping the Philippines, of course; I just think that's the wrong reason.
 
2013-11-10 09:02:02 PM

Medic Zero: doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.

I'd be curious to learn what we exploited from them.



Maybe we didn't fight hard enough to keep the Japanese from invading during the period that the US controlled the Philippines ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Philippines_%281941%E2%80% 9 342%29 )?  Granted we did defeat the Japanese eventually, but they did a lot of damage while they were occupying the islands.
 
2013-11-10 09:03:05 PM

doyner: Danger Avoid Death: OgreMagi: I like that our military provides humanitarian aid throughout the world.  It helps people realize we are the good guys.  Well, we would be if we would stop that whole "blowing people up for no good reason" thing.

Yeah, but "blowing people up for no good reason" is where the money's at.

/sadly ...

Too brown to help, brown enough to kill seems to be the opinion of some.

As a nation, we exploited the fark out of the P.I. for decades and then continued to exert enormous influence after their independence.  "Fark you, I got mine" is no way to treat them now.


I agree. When people need help, you help them. Arguing about whose territory the P.I. was and for how long and whose responsibility is what is just so much smoke and mirrors and bullshiat. Keep the politics out of humanitarian aid.
 
2013-11-10 09:04:16 PM

Fallout Boy: jshine: Gergesa: jshine: Do you really think that liberating a European colony in Asia is a shameful act that requires ongoing restitution to the former colony?

You may be unaware of this but the US was not liberating a European colony as much as stealing it.


The territory belonged belonged to Spain prior to the Spanish American War.  Now it is independent (and not independent through an armed conflict with the US, but by treaty --  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Manila_%281946%29 ).

Yes, the US did maintain possession of the territory for about 50 years in the interim, but that doesn't alter the accuracy of the above statements.

Huh. 1946. Right around the time every where else in Europe were cutting colonial ties and abandoning the whole concept.

The US tried playing empire like everyone else in Europe and cut their loses when they realize you dont need to colonize a country to steal from it, just like everyone else in Europe figured out. Saying that the US liberated and freed the Philippines from Spain is about as disingenuous  as saying that the English liberated and freed the United States from the Dutch.


*France or Spain wouldve been a better example, in hindsight.
 
2013-11-10 09:05:43 PM

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


you had to mention the comments section

/got curious
//then confused (grin the sheer wilful ignorance)
///some people...
 
2013-11-10 09:06:01 PM

jso2897: The comments.

I read some of them.

I shouldn't have done that.


I should have listened... why didn't I listen...
 
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