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(Social Reader)   Here comes the science: U.S. presidents have become more narcissistic over the years. And it's not a bad thing? I guess it depends on what the meaning of the word 'bad' is   (socialreader.com) divider line 24
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2013-11-10 05:05:15 PM
Ya think? What kind of personality thinks they can govern the United States?
 
2013-11-10 05:27:08 PM
I henceforth dub this the Steve Jobs Effect
 
2013-11-10 05:47:37 PM
I'd say Dubya was more smug than narcissistic.

Clinton was totally a good example.
 
2013-11-10 05:53:26 PM
All great leaders have egos and all politicians especially presidents have gotten more image conscious and media savvy over time.

I'm not sure all of that can be boiled down to increased narcissism quite so easily.

In any event you gotta admit it still beats the bad old days when leaders would just declare themselves Gods.
 
2013-11-10 05:53:54 PM
Seriously, great presidents in the past never used Twitter or Facebook. You didn't see Lincoln with 24/7 coverage of every single thing he did across multiple news channels. It's ridiculous.
 
2013-11-10 05:54:02 PM
Obama only cares about Benghazi
 
2013-11-10 05:54:07 PM
I'm pretty sure that since Washington these guys have been a bunch of smug aholes who thought their shiat didn't stink.  Maybe Adams and Nixon are an exception, but both of those guys pretty much used the constitution for toilet paper.
 
2013-11-10 05:56:34 PM

pueblonative: Maybe Adams and Nixon are an exception, but both of those guys pretty much used the constitution for toilet paper.


lol because Watergate and the Alien/Sedition Acts were exceptions
 
2013-11-10 05:56:50 PM
President Obama is not included in the data set.

It's because he's black, isn't it?
 
2013-11-10 06:01:14 PM

fusillade762: President Obama is not included in the data set.

It's because he's black, isn't it?


No, it's because he's blah.
 
2013-11-10 06:02:37 PM

whidbey: pueblonative: Maybe Adams and Nixon are an exception, but both of those guys pretty much used the constitution for toilet paper.

lol because Watergate and the Alien/Sedition Acts were exceptions


To being narcissitic, not to shredding the Constitution.

Seriously, looking at the two I'm wondering if their violations of the Constitution came from their insecurities as opposed to their narcissism.  If you read Adams works he sounds like he could have benefitted from a couple of benzodiazepines.  And I wouldn't doubt that members of his inner cabal reminded him of how he could have won the election a few years later if not for a few shady votes in Chicago.
 
2013-11-10 06:06:09 PM
Good Thing, Bad Thing?
 
2013-11-10 06:06:32 PM

pueblonative: whidbey: pueblonative: Maybe Adams and Nixon are an exception, but both of those guys pretty much used the constitution for toilet paper.

lol because Watergate and the Alien/Sedition Acts were exceptions

To being narcissitic, not to shredding the Constitution.

Seriously, looking at the two I'm wondering if their violations of the Constitution came from their insecurities as opposed to their narcissism.  If you read Adams works he sounds like he could have benefitted from a couple of benzodiazepines.  And I wouldn't doubt that members of his inner cabal reminded him of how he could have won the election a few years later if not for a few shady votes in Chicago.


Yeah Nixon gave me the impression that he puttered around the halls of the White House when he couldn't sleep wondering where the Football was.
 
2013-11-10 07:09:16 PM

simplicimus: Ya think? What kind of personality thinks they can govern the United States?


What kind of person could look at the level of outright hatred that has been directed at the Obamas and still want to put their family through that?  Michelle says it's good to drink water, and that most people don't drink enough of it, just like every doctor, nurse, coach, physical therapist, etc that I've ever interacted with, and they derp for weeks about how there's no evidence to back it up and nobody that understands the human body buys into that nonsense and she needs to just shut up with her pseudo-science.  He asks for spicy mustard for his burger, and it's "a scandal."  His wife orders lobster, and it's "a scandal."  His 13 y/o daughter wears a grass-stained t-shirt and it's "look at how low-class these people are.  They can't even keep their daughter looking reasonable."  Who would want their family to live with that bulls*t for 8 years?
 
2013-11-10 07:09:51 PM

whidbey: Yeah Nixon gave me the impression that he puttered around the halls of the White House when he couldn't sleep wondering where the Football was.


When he was losing it towards the end, they actually did hide the football from him, at least in effect. Supposedly SECDEF gave orders to ignore any questionable commands from the NCA during the nadir of Watergate.
 
2013-11-10 07:33:48 PM
The only thing that I have seen change is this - before Nixon, there was a certain abstract respect for the office itself that no longer seems prevalent.
But I have never seen any President, or indeed, human being, any more narcissistic than John Kennedy.
And speaking of Nixon - aren't paranoids just the ultimate narcissists?
And then there is Jimmy Carter's weird, hairshirt wearing, holier than thou brand of narcissism.
And Reagan - Clinton? Either one could be the picture next to the word "narcissist" in the dictionary.
Both Bushes obviously regarded themselves as representative of a superior breed of human beings, destined to rule.
Our Presidents haven't gotten any more narcissistic - it would be impossible for them to. They are mostly men who are already operating at Full Narcissism.
Eisenhower, Ford, and LBJ are the only Presidents in my lifetime who had any realistically modest sense of themselves - and in LBJ's case, it was just that he knew exactly what a rotten son of a biatch he was.
What kind of personality does anyone think is going to seriously apply for that job?
Ric Romero rides again.
 
2013-11-10 07:38:19 PM

jso2897: The only thing that I have seen change is this - before Nixon, there was a certain abstract respect for the office itself that no longer seems prevalent.
But I have never seen any President, or indeed, human being, any more narcissistic than John Kennedy.
And speaking of Nixon - aren't paranoids just the ultimate narcissists?
And then there is Jimmy Carter's weird, hairshirt wearing, holier than thou brand of narcissism.
And Reagan - Clinton? Either one could be the picture next to the word "narcissist" in the dictionary.
Both Bushes obviously regarded themselves as representative of a superior breed of human beings, destined to rule.
Our Presidents haven't gotten any more narcissistic - it would be impossible for them to. They are mostly men who are already operating at Full Narcissism.
Eisenhower, Ford, and LBJ are the only Presidents in my lifetime who had any realistically modest sense of themselves - and in LBJ's case, it was just that he knew exactly what a rotten son of a biatch he was.
What kind of personality does anyone think is going to seriously apply for that job?
Ric Romero rides again.


Well, we get the odd sociopath running for the job now and then, but so far we haven't elected any.
 
2013-11-10 08:33:59 PM

simplicimus: jso2897: The only thing that I have seen change is this - before Nixon, there was a certain abstract respect for the office itself that no longer seems prevalent.
But I have never seen any President, or indeed, human being, any more narcissistic than John Kennedy.
And speaking of Nixon - aren't paranoids just the ultimate narcissists?
And then there is Jimmy Carter's weird, hairshirt wearing, holier than thou brand of narcissism.
And Reagan - Clinton? Either one could be the picture next to the word "narcissist" in the dictionary.
Both Bushes obviously regarded themselves as representative of a superior breed of human beings, destined to rule.
Our Presidents haven't gotten any more narcissistic - it would be impossible for them to. They are mostly men who are already operating at Full Narcissism.
Eisenhower, Ford, and LBJ are the only Presidents in my lifetime who had any realistically modest sense of themselves - and in LBJ's case, it was just that he knew exactly what a rotten son of a biatch he was.
What kind of personality does anyone think is going to seriously apply for that job?
Ric Romero rides again.

Well, we get the odd sociopath running for the job now and then, but so far we haven't elected any.


Jackson, maybe?
 
2013-11-10 08:37:53 PM

jso2897: Well, we get the odd sociopath running for the job now and then, but so far we haven't elected any.

Jackson, maybe?


A case could be made for Jackson.
 
2013-11-10 09:00:50 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: simplicimus: Ya think? What kind of personality thinks they can govern the United States?

What kind of person could look at the level of outright hatred that has been directed at the Obamas and still want to put their family through that?  Michelle says it's good to drink water, and that most people don't drink enough of it, just like every doctor, nurse, coach, physical therapist, etc that I've ever interacted with, and they derp for weeks about how there's no evidence to back it up and nobody that understands the human body buys into that nonsense and she needs to just shut up with her pseudo-science.  He asks for spicy mustard for his burger, and it's "a scandal."  His wife orders lobster, and it's "a scandal."  His 13 y/o daughter wears a grass-stained t-shirt and it's "look at how low-class these people are.  They can't even keep their daughter looking reasonable."  Who would want their family to live with that bulls*t for 8 years?


It's no what Kennedy experienced, as a liberal and Roman Catholic. It was intense. It lacked the vulgar racial component of the Obama bashing, but the typical Kennedy hater was remarkably similar to the typical Obama hater - a frustrated, angry, uneducated white failure and mediocrity, of the sort who resents his betters.
 
2013-11-10 09:12:20 PM

jso2897: Don't Troll Me Bro!: simplicimus: Ya think? What kind of personality thinks they can govern the United States?

What kind of person could look at the level of outright hatred that has been directed at the Obamas and still want to put their family through that?  Michelle says it's good to drink water, and that most people don't drink enough of it, just like every doctor, nurse, coach, physical therapist, etc that I've ever interacted with, and they derp for weeks about how there's no evidence to back it up and nobody that understands the human body buys into that nonsense and she needs to just shut up with her pseudo-science.  He asks for spicy mustard for his burger, and it's "a scandal."  His wife orders lobster, and it's "a scandal."  His 13 y/o daughter wears a grass-stained t-shirt and it's "look at how low-class these people are.  They can't even keep their daughter looking reasonable."  Who would want their family to live with that bulls*t for 8 years?

It's no what Kennedy experienced, as a liberal and Roman Catholic. It was intense. It lacked the vulgar racial component of the Obama bashing, but the typical Kennedy hater was remarkably similar to the typical Obama hater - a frustrated, angry, uneducated white failure and mediocrity, of the sort who resents his betters.


Yep. While not approaching the level of vitriol that race engenders, the whole "Papist" thing was quite prevalent in the south, especially among the Birchers and the Klan.
 
2013-11-10 11:01:42 PM
Christ the stupid shiat that passes for 'science'...
 
2013-11-11 02:58:40 AM

gaspode: Christ the stupid shiat that passes for 'science'...


When the internet says something is science, my first step is looking for why it isn't.

Playing psychologist with public figures based solely on their public image is certainly not science - whether or not you believe psychology is good enough for the term.
 
2013-11-11 07:28:23 AM
Well studies also show everyone is turning into a narcissist, why should the president be any different.
 
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