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(Deadline)   Thor hammers the box office competition, raking in an estimated $83 million. At #2 was Jackass Presents Bad Grandpa, which rebounded, and last week's top film, Ender's Game, plummeted 62%, putting an end to any hope of a franchise   (deadline.com) divider line 49
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2013-11-10 01:05:55 PM
I liked Thor. I like my fantasy fantastic.
 
2013-11-10 01:13:05 PM
Isn't that what they said about the Narnia series of movies?
 
2013-11-10 01:15:50 PM
The kid who plays Ender looks creepy.
 
2013-11-10 01:17:57 PM
I found it a tad boring. One of the people I was with even fell asleep. It certainly wasn't bad and at this point I'm seeing the Marvel movies to keep up on what is going to happen in Avengers 2, but there was very little to hold my interest.

Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.

Though the design of the Dark Elves and the singularity grenades were pretty sweet.
 
2013-11-10 01:22:42 PM
Ender's Game was never really going to be a franchise. The next two books don't fit well into the "Hollywood Movie" mold.

Scalzi's Old Man's War might make a good franchise, though.
 
2013-11-10 01:24:53 PM
Oh... I should add that I think Red Shirts would also make a great one-off movie.

If SyFiLis had the least bit of integrity and worthiness, they'd get the rights and get somebody to do a decent mid-budget job of it, but that would never happen.
 
2013-11-10 01:25:09 PM
MightyPez:

Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.

Between Hemsworth and Hiddleston, there's more eye candy in this movie for women than Magic Mike.  Women even love Hopkins.
 
2013-11-10 01:27:58 PM

LesserEvil: Ender's Game was never really going to be a franchise. The next two books don't fit well into the "Hollywood Movie" mold.

Scalzi's Old Man's War might make a good franchise, though.


Deffo.  They have the old age makeup down.  I'm sure they can paint people green.

/actually I bet green people wouldn't make the cut and they'd look normal to increase relate-ability and sex factor.
 
2013-11-10 01:29:26 PM
LesserEvil: Ender's Game was never really going to be a franchise. The next two books don't fit well into the "Hollywood Movie" mold.

That's not how Hollywood works, though. If they were going to make it a franchise, the other books in the series wouldn't be relevant unless a vast amount of money was spent to secure the rights. More likely, they'd just have their own sequels written.

I liked Ender's Game (the book) until I found out the end was serious and the reader wasn't supposed to assume that the kids had been lied to all along and were simply scapegoats for the government. Not only would that fit better with the book's themes about virtual reality, perception, and social manipulation, but it makes a hundred times more sense.
 
2013-11-10 01:31:02 PM
When is Golden Compass #2 coming out?
 
2013-11-10 01:33:34 PM

MightyPez: Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.


Then that someone doesn't know women. The reasons why Thor has a broader appeal to women are two things 1) gratuitous shirtless shots of Hemsworth (Indeed the body of a god) 2) Loki as played by Hiddleston.

Loki is a bigger hit among women than Thor is and Loki is the villain. Loki is one of those rare villains who could have their own side movie and it would be a guaranteed hit. He's Marvel's answer to DC's Joker in terms of villain popularity.
 
2013-11-10 01:34:57 PM

lewismarktwo: LesserEvil: Ender's Game was never really going to be a franchise. The next two books don't fit well into the "Hollywood Movie" mold.

Scalzi's Old Man's War might make a good franchise, though.

Deffo.  They have the old age makeup down.  I'm sure they can paint people green.

/actually I bet green people wouldn't make the cut and they'd look normal to increase relate-ability and sex factor.


I never thought the green / chlorophyll skin in Scalzi's novels made a lot of sense. I mean they wear clothing / armor so how much sunlight would they actually get? Need a lot of square footage of leaves to add up to any about of energy (there is a reason trees are so big)

But regardless of the green skin, Old Man's war if done right would be great.
 
2013-11-10 01:37:05 PM
Wasn't Bad Grandpa a part of the Portal of Evil network with Fat Chicks in Party Hats and Old Man Murray?

No, wait, that was Crazy Grandpa. Never mind.
 
2013-11-10 01:40:16 PM

mekki: MightyPez: Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.

Then that someone doesn't know women. The reasons why Thor has a broader appeal to women are two things 1) gratuitous shirtless shots of Hemsworth (Indeed the body of a god) 2) Loki as played by Hiddleston.

Loki is a bigger hit among women than Thor is and Loki is the villain. Loki is one of those rare villains who could have their own side movie and it would be a guaranteed hit. He's Marvel's answer to DC's Joker in terms of villain popularity.


To attract the ladies they should use this shooped poster a Chinese theater used.

media.avclub.com
 
2013-11-10 01:41:24 PM

MightyPez: I found it a tad boring. One of the people I was with even fell asleep.


That's how I judge movies... I ask my buddy how much he slept during the movie. Award winning blockbusters get 10 or 15 minutes... if he had to get woken up at the end I know it isn't worth seeing. He's never not slept during a movie in a theater.
 
2013-11-10 01:49:22 PM
Too bad Charmin pulled this gem they tweeted on Friday:

img.fark.net
 
2013-11-10 01:49:47 PM

12349876: mekki: MightyPez: Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.

Then that someone doesn't know women. The reasons why Thor has a broader appeal to women are two things 1) gratuitous shirtless shots of Hemsworth (Indeed the body of a god) 2) Loki as played by Hiddleston.

Loki is a bigger hit among women than Thor is and Loki is the villain. Loki is one of those rare villains who could have their own side movie and it would be a guaranteed hit. He's Marvel's answer to DC's Joker in terms of villain popularity.

To attract the ladies they should use this shooped poster a Chinese theater used.

[media.avclub.com image 627x352]


You joke but the majority of women on tumblr agree with you. That poster is making the rounds like gangbusters.
 
2013-11-10 01:51:16 PM

mekki: MightyPez: Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.

Then that someone doesn't know women. The reasons why Thor has a broader appeal to women are two things 1) gratuitous shirtless shots of Hemsworth (Indeed the body of a god) 2) Loki as played by Hiddleston.

Loki is a bigger hit among women than Thor is and Loki is the villain. Loki is one of those rare villains who could have their own side movie and it would be a guaranteed hit. He's Marvel's answer to DC's Joker in terms of villain popularity.


Heck, Hiddleston could be a great Joker should Affleck Batman be as big as DC hopes.
 
2013-11-10 01:55:45 PM
Told ya Ender's was gonna tank. Old man Ford should have to beg to get on Ep. 7, I say they kill Solo off camera.  Let bitter old fool retire to tend to his petunias.
 
2013-11-10 01:58:00 PM

RandomAxe: I liked Ender's Game (the book) until I found out the end was serious and the reader wasn't supposed to assume that the kids had been lied to all along and were simply scapegoats for the government. Not only would that fit better with the book's themes about virtual reality, perception, and social manipulation, but it makes a hundred times more sense.


What do you mean?  The reader is supposed to think the kids had been lied to all along.  Do you mean at what point the reader sees the extent of the lies?  At the very least, it's clear from close to the beginning the adults are setting up Ender and putting him in situations to be bullied to see how he reacts.

MightyPez: It certainly wasn't bad and at this point I'm seeing the Marvel movies to keep up on what is going to happen in Avengers 2


I'll probably do for Avengers 2 what I did for Avengers: watch Cap'n America and Thor at home before going out for Avengers to make a triple feature.
 
2013-11-10 02:01:48 PM
mcmnky: What do you mean? The reader is supposed to think the kids had been lied to all along.

I don't want to spoilers this up. What I mean is that it seemed to me, very clearly, that the reader was supposed to assume that EVERYTHING the kids were told was a lie. They were never actually doing anything of any importance, never in control of anything. Their training was a sham. It was all theater. The government had already planned to do everything that Ender was 'responsible' for, and they led him (and the others) by the nose to 'deciding' to do those same things. The entire training school, etc, was completely fake.

Card has said, and the sequels indicate, that this is not the case. I don't find it remotely plausible that way, though. Not the end of the world. I personally think Wyrms is his best book, for what it's worth.
 
2013-11-10 02:07:43 PM

texdent: Isn't that what they said about the Narnia series of movies?


the first one did pretty well. The subsequent movies had trouble scrounging up funding.
 
2013-11-10 02:10:42 PM

RandomAxe: I don't want to spoilers this up.


Oh noes, talking about plot details from a nearly-30-year-old sci-fi classic that millions of people read!
 
2013-11-10 02:11:45 PM
"last week's top film, Ender's Game, plummeted 62%, putting an end to any hope of a franchise  "

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-11-10 02:14:58 PM

RandomAxe: mcmnky: What do you mean? The reader is supposed to think the kids had been lied to all along.

I don't want to spoilers this up. What I mean is that it seemed to me, very clearly, that the reader was supposed to assume that EVERYTHING the kids were told was a lie. They were never actually doing anything of any importance, never in control of anything. Their training was a sham. It was all theater. The government had already planned to do everything that Ender was 'responsible' for, and they led him (and the others) by the nose to 'deciding' to do those same things. The entire training school, etc, was completely fake.

Card has said, and the sequels indicate, that this is not the case. I don't find it remotely plausible that way, though. Not the end of the world. I personally think Wyrms is his best book, for what it's worth.


Oh.  I didn't get that from the book or the movie.  I've only read Ender's Game and couple of the post-EG short stories, but none of the other Ender novels.

Lies and deception are part of the training, but I took it at face value that the need for the training was real and expectation was the combination of young recruits and extreme training methods would produce tactics that adults wouldn't come up with.

Certainly there are holes in the plot which may lead the reader to think: they have a weapon, they have a target, and they're just looking for someone to pull the trigger (for whatever reason).

But that's part of the reason I think EG is way overrated as science fiction.  It's decent young adult SciFi up to about middle school/tween years.  It does not hold up well to reading by adults.
 
2013-11-10 02:22:05 PM
DemonEater: Oh noes, talking about plot details from a nearly-30-year-old sci-fi classic that millions of people read!

The book still sells steadily, so apparently some people are still reading it for the first time. And you may not have heard, but there's a new film based on it, too. Furrfu.


mcmnky: I took it at face value that the need for the training was real and expectation was the combination of young recruits and extreme training methods would produce tactics that adults wouldn't come up with.

That was Card's intention, and obviously it works that way for most readers. I didn't get the impression that the kids actually came up with anything unusual, but I was apparently getting the wrong impression all along. Ender's computer game and his siblings' activity online are what made me start thinking the school was definitely fake.

I don't know if Card intended it as YA fiction, but that doesn't necessarily matter. I'm not saying it's a bad book, either. It just didn't work for me the same way. I often think Card's writing is better than his plotting -- I liked Hart's Hope a lot until the end, which seemed awfully contrived to me.
 
2013-11-10 02:22:34 PM

mcmnky: Lies and deception are part of the training, but I took it at face value that the need for the training was real and expectation was the combination of young recruits and extreme training methods would produce tactics that adults wouldn't come up with.Certainly there are holes in the plot which may lead the reader to think: they have a weapon, they have a target, and they're just looking for someone to pull the trigger (for whatever reason).


I thought the training was real too...they knew the enemy, but didn't know how to win the war for good. So they were training the kids deemed to be "smarter" to come up with new tactics to finish the buggers off for good. Was that not what the book was about??
 
2013-11-10 02:25:07 PM

RandomAxe: hat was Card's intention, and obviously it works that way for most readers. I didn't get the impression that the kids actually came up with anything unusual, but I was apparently getting the wrong impression all along.


The actual final gambit was something the adults hadn't come up with, right? Like, how the war ended. Or they couldn't bring themselves to actually do it because of the cost. But because Ender "didn't know", he finished it. That was my take anyway.
 
2013-11-10 02:40:38 PM

mekki: MightyPez: Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.

Then that someone doesn't know women. The reasons why Thor has a broader appeal to women are two things 1) gratuitous shirtless shots of Hemsworth (Indeed the body of a god) 2) Loki as played by Hiddleston.

Loki is a bigger hit among women than Thor is and Loki is the villain. Loki is one of those rare villains who could have their own side movie and it would be a guaranteed hit. He's Marvel's answer to DC's Joker in terms of villain popularity.


I just want to underline this.  Loki is the majority of the reason I went to see the film yesterday, despite what he did in The Avengers to my other favorite character.  Not only is he terrific, but he can chew the scenery almost as well as Anthony Hopkins, who has set a very high bar on scene-chewing.

The entirety of the film is quite well-masticated and fun.  The other high point was not making quite such a big deal out of Hemsworth and Portman's relationship, which frankly made the first one very boring to me.

/I like pretty guys
//do not like long, drawn out, romantic plot tumors.
 
2013-11-10 02:44:26 PM

LesserEvil: Ender's Game was never really going to be a franchise. The next two books don't fit well into the "Hollywood Movie" mold.

Scalzi's Old Man's War might make a good franchise, though.


OMW has already been greenlit.
 
2013-11-10 02:59:02 PM

Bslim: Told ya Ender's was gonna tank. Old man Ford should have to beg to get on Ep. 7, I say they kill Solo off camera.  Let bitter old fool retire to tend to his petunias.


media.aintitcool.com
 
2013-11-10 03:36:58 PM
Saw "12 Years a Slave" this weekend. One of the best movies to come out in the past few years and is worth seeing. Has a great cast and the movie moves along fast. The ending was happy/sad and people in the theater I went to were actually crying a little over it.
 
2013-11-10 03:57:03 PM

mekki: MightyPez: Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.

Then that someone doesn't know women. The reasons why Thor has a broader appeal to women are two things 1) gratuitous shirtless shots of Hemsworth (Indeed the body of a god) 2) Loki as played by Hiddleston.

Loki is a bigger hit among women than Thor is and Loki is the villain. Loki is one of those rare villains who could have their own side movie and it would be a guaranteed hit. He's Marvel's answer to DC's Joker in terms of villain popularity.


Hmm. Loki is both vastly more popular than Joker and holds nebulous status as a villain at this point. If he had his own movie, he'd work just fine as a heroism-less hero.
 
2013-11-10 03:58:44 PM
And do you know who else saw Thor's hammer?

www.behindthehype.com

/Gave it two legs up she did.
 
2013-11-10 04:19:29 PM

CloseYourMouth: lewismarktwo: LesserEvil: Ender's Game was never really going to be a franchise. The next two books don't fit well into the "Hollywood Movie" mold.

Scalzi's Old Man's War might make a good franchise, though.

Deffo.  They have the old age makeup down.  I'm sure they can paint people green.

/actually I bet green people wouldn't make the cut and they'd look normal to increase relate-ability and sex factor.

I never thought the green / chlorophyll skin in Scalzi's novels made a lot of sense. I mean they wear clothing / armor so how much sunlight would they actually get? Need a lot of square footage of leaves to add up to any about of energy (there is a reason trees are so big)

But regardless of the green skin, Old Man's war if done right would be great.


I thought they were green simply for identification purposes so no one goes AWOL?
 
2013-11-10 04:25:59 PM
Aw, i was looking forward to Enders sequels. A bunch of people sitting around on spaceships for 20 years talking about trees and shiat... woulda been great.
 
2013-11-10 04:39:05 PM

KhamanV: mekki: MightyPez: Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.

Then that someone doesn't know women. The reasons why Thor has a broader appeal to women are two things 1) gratuitous shirtless shots of Hemsworth (Indeed the body of a god) 2) Loki as played by Hiddleston.

Loki is a bigger hit among women than Thor is and Loki is the villain. Loki is one of those rare villains who could have their own side movie and it would be a guaranteed hit. He's Marvel's answer to DC's Joker in terms of villain popularity.

I just want to underline this.  Loki is the majority of the reason I went to see the film yesterday, despite what he did in The Avengers to my other favorite character.  Not only is he terrific, but he can chew the scenery almost as well as Anthony Hopkins, who has set a very high bar on scene-chewing.

The entirety of the film is quite well-masticated and fun.  The other high point was not making quite such a big deal out of Hemsworth and Portman's relationship, which frankly made the first one very boring to me.

/I like pretty guys
//do not like long, drawn out, romantic plot tumors.


Exactly.  The only reason I saw the first Thor movie at all was because of Hopkins and Braunaugh.  But Loki was fun in that.  And then he was fun in Avengers, so I figured hey, I'm willing to bet he's fun in Thor 2 as well.  And he was amazing.  Him and Hemsworth played off of each other perfectly as quarreling siblings as well, which was amazing.  I could nearly see me and my brother having the same arguments.  If, you know, me and my brother were nigh immortal beings from a magical realm.

It's a cheesy movie, and I think it will honestly do better on DVD simply because it's something that's fun to comment during and laugh at (and I try not to talk in the theater).  It's going to be an amazing RiffTrax movie, that's for certain.
 
2013-11-10 04:48:41 PM

fusillade762: CloseYourMouth: lewismarktwo: LesserEvil: Ender's Game was never really going to be a franchise. The next two books don't fit well into the "Hollywood Movie" mold.

Scalzi's Old Man's War might make a good franchise, though.

Deffo.  They have the old age makeup down.  I'm sure they can paint people green.

/actually I bet green people wouldn't make the cut and they'd look normal to increase relate-ability and sex factor.

I never thought the green / chlorophyll skin in Scalzi's novels made a lot of sense. I mean they wear clothing / armor so how much sunlight would they actually get? Need a lot of square footage of leaves to add up to any about of energy (there is a reason trees are so big)

But regardless of the green skin, Old Man's war if done right would be great.

I thought they were green simply for identification purposes so no one goes AWOL?


Well there was that, but at least in Old Man's War there is a couple lines in there about chlorophyll in the skin to give the soldiers an energy boost. It's been a while since I read the first novel so might be off on the exact details..
 
2013-11-10 04:53:14 PM

CloseYourMouth: fusillade762: CloseYourMouth: lewismarktwo: LesserEvil: Ender's Game was never really going to be a franchise. The next two books don't fit well into the "Hollywood Movie" mold.

Scalzi's Old Man's War might make a good franchise, though.

Deffo.  They have the old age makeup down.  I'm sure they can paint people green.

/actually I bet green people wouldn't make the cut and they'd look normal to increase relate-ability and sex factor.

I never thought the green / chlorophyll skin in Scalzi's novels made a lot of sense. I mean they wear clothing / armor so how much sunlight would they actually get? Need a lot of square footage of leaves to add up to any about of energy (there is a reason trees are so big)

But regardless of the green skin, Old Man's war if done right would be great.

I thought they were green simply for identification purposes so no one goes AWOL?

Well there was that, but at least in Old Man's War there is a couple lines in there about chlorophyll in the skin to give the soldiers an energy boost. It's been a while since I read the first novel so might be off on the exact details..


I think the idea was that, if not able to resupply for an extended period, they'd be able to get some nourishment from the sun.

In other words, under "survival" circumstances - which probably means stripping down if needed.
 
2013-11-10 05:10:49 PM
I liked this Thor more than the original. There were only two things missing from the movie. Kat kept em all wrapped up.
 
2013-11-10 05:47:44 PM

mcmnky: RandomAxe: mcmnky: What do you mean? The reader is supposed to think the kids had been lied to all along.

I don't want to spoilers this up. What I mean is that it seemed to me, very clearly, that the reader was supposed to assume that EVERYTHING the kids were told was a lie. They were never actually doing anything of any importance, never in control of anything. Their training was a sham. It was all theater. The government had already planned to do everything that Ender was 'responsible' for, and they led him (and the others) by the nose to 'deciding' to do those same things. The entire training school, etc, was completely fake.

Card has said, and the sequels indicate, that this is not the case. I don't find it remotely plausible that way, though. Not the end of the world. I personally think Wyrms is his best book, for what it's worth.

Oh.  I didn't get that from the book or the movie.  I've only read Ender's Game and couple of the post-EG short stories, but none of the other Ender novels.

Lies and deception are part of the training, but I took it at face value that the need for the training was real and expectation was the combination of young recruits and extreme training methods would produce tactics that adults wouldn't come up with.

Certainly there are holes in the plot which may lead the reader to think: they have a weapon, they have a target, and they're just looking for someone to pull the trigger (for whatever reason).

But that's part of the reason I think EG is way overrated as science fiction.  It's decent young adult SciFi up to about middle school/tween years.  It does not hold up well to reading by adults.


I think it's there's a bit more to it.  The book also states that the IF had considered both Peter and Valentine for service but rejected both of them; Peter for being too brutal and Valentine for being too empathetic.  They then sanctioned Ender's birth with the hope of creating someone with the best parts of both Peter and Valentine and through the use of the monitor were able to confirm that they had succeeded.  The Battle School training struck me as being necessary to mold Ender from being a natural commander to being the once in a lifetime hero they need; to teach him how to train others (particularly rejects), to fight and win against unbeatable odds, and to shed any guilt he might feel over being victorious.  When he finally reaches the Command School, he goes through some initial training before meeting Mazer at which point all of his "training" is actually real.

I never got into the Shadow series, but from what I understand it undermines the tension of the original book.  Dragon Army isn't really a bunch of rejects, they're a bunch of geniuses who just need the right commander to unlock their potential.  Ender's commanders, particularly Bean, are aware of the deception being perpetrated against Ender yet they say nothing.

As a final note, I'm glad the film isn't going to spawn sequels.  For what it's worth, I do think the negative press helped keep the box office down.
 
2013-11-10 05:55:30 PM

therecksays: I liked this Thor more than the original. There were only two things missing from the movie. Kat kept em all wrapped up.


Speaking of Kat, how is she still an intern after 2 years?

Hell, she seems to be running their operation at this point.

/She was the best thing about the first movie.
//She is only "one of the best" things about the new one.
 
2013-11-10 07:00:10 PM
"Ender's commanders, particularly Bean, are aware of the deception being perpetrated against Ender yet they say nothing. "

WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD

My understanding (though it has been a few years since I read it) was that only Bean had deduced that an invasion fleet had been sent years ago and was to be commanded remotely.  This always struck me as a bit ridiculous.  All of these kids are smart enough to notice that speed of light isn't a factor, and I'm expected to believe that only Bean saw the implications?
 
2013-11-10 07:50:16 PM

Tr0mBoNe: MightyPez: I found it a tad boring. One of the people I was with even fell asleep.

That's how I judge movies... I ask my buddy how much he slept during the movie. Award winning blockbusters get 10 or 15 minutes... if he had to get woken up at the end I know it isn't worth seeing. He's never not slept during a movie in a theater.


Or, you know, I just happened to find this particular action movie boring.

But good luck at the Oscars, I guess.
 
2013-11-10 07:57:38 PM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: KhamanV: mekki: MightyPez: Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.

Then that someone doesn't know women. The reasons why Thor has a broader appeal to women are two things 1) gratuitous shirtless shots of Hemsworth (Indeed the body of a god) 2) Loki as played by Hiddleston.

Loki is a bigger hit among women than Thor is and Loki is the villain. Loki is one of those rare villains who could have their own side movie and it would be a guaranteed hit. He's Marvel's answer to DC's Joker in terms of villain popularity.

I just want to underline this.  Loki is the majority of the reason I went to see the film yesterday, despite what he did in The Avengers to my other favorite character.  Not only is he terrific, but he can chew the scenery almost as well as Anthony Hopkins, who has set a very high bar on scene-chewing.

The entirety of the film is quite well-masticated and fun.  The other high point was not making quite such a big deal out of Hemsworth and Portman's relationship, which frankly made the first one very boring to me.

/I like pretty guys
//do not like long, drawn out, romantic plot tumors.

Exactly.  The only reason I saw the first Thor movie at all was because of Hopkins and Braunaugh.  But Loki was fun in that.  And then he was fun in Avengers, so I figured hey, I'm willing to bet he's fun in Thor 2 as well.  And he was amazing.  Him and Hemsworth played off of each other perfectly as quarreling siblings as well, which was amazing.  I could nearly see me and my brother having the same arguments.  If, you know, me and my brother were nigh immortal beings from a magical realm.


A lot of this. Loki is unlike the Joker because even if you like him as a villain, at the end of the day you want the Joker to get his ass kicked. He's a villain, clearly. Loki is way more multidimensional. His good/evil balance is always in question, making him the most interesting character in the movie. I loved the Loki-Thor relationship in this one. I am looking forward to the next one, and I do think Loki would be great as the main character of his own.

/just got back from seeing it
//getting a kick
 
2013-11-11 01:03:20 AM

Neeek: mekki: MightyPez: Someone with me suggested the Thor movies probably have a broader appeal to women because of the romance/fantasy angle.

Then that someone doesn't know women. The reasons why Thor has a broader appeal to women are two things 1) gratuitous shirtless shots of Hemsworth (Indeed the body of a god) 2) Loki as played by Hiddleston.

Loki is a bigger hit among women than Thor is and Loki is the villain. Loki is one of those rare villains who could have their own side movie and it would be a guaranteed hit. He's Marvel's answer to DC's Joker in terms of villain popularity.

Hmm. Loki is both vastly more popular than Joker and holds nebulous status as a villain at this point. If he had his own movie, he'd work just fine as a heroism-less hero.


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2013-11-11 01:19:52 AM

namegoeshere: A lot of this. Loki is unlike the Joker because even if you like him as a villain, at the end of the day you want the Joker to get his ass kicked. He's a villain, clearly. Loki is way more multidimensional. His good/evil balance is always in question, making him the most interesting character in the movie. I loved the Loki-Thor relationship in this one. I am looking forward to the next one, and I do think Loki would be great as the main character of his own.

/just got back from seeing it
//getting a kick


Fark Loki for "killing" Coulson, but damn was he entertaining in Thor 2.  I don't want him to win, but I don't want him to die either.  He presents way too many interesting possibilities for me to want him gone.
/The beatdown Hulk gave him in The Avengers was very satisfying.
 
2013-11-11 03:45:16 AM

Tr0mBoNe: I liked Thor. I like my fantasy fantastic.


This. Plus being less of a secret chick flick this time (sorry appreciators of Hemsworth's pecs).
 
2013-11-11 05:35:20 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: Tr0mBoNe: I liked Thor. I like my fantasy fantastic.

This. Plus being less of a secret chick flick this time (sorry appreciators of Hemsworth's pecs).


I'm of the opinion that Natalie Portman's character is the worst thing about the movies so far for a number of reasons. One, she basically plays Damsel in Distress all the time, and is constantly moping/fawning over Thor, which isn't exactly endearing. Two, there seems to be little reason that Thor would actually fall in love with her, which is irritating. Three, as Marvel scientists go, she's kinda useless.

*SPOILERS*

So what does she do in this movie? It's clear as soon as she gets back to Earth that she grasps what's going on better than most, but the actual devices that save the day are crafted by her crazy non-pants-wearing mentor. She just gets to control them via a ridiculous looking remote control. She doesn't really contribute to the plot except that she accidentally stumbled into the aether, and helped put together the plan at the end. But she didn't even really do that, as Thor, weirdly enough, took the lead on a lot of that.

*END SPOILERS*

And fifth, Kat Dennings is far more interesting, funny and attractive.
 
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