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(Past Horizons Archaeology)   Cattle domesticated in China independently from the Middle East, over 10,000 years ago. If you believe in things like 'cattle domestication'   (pasthorizonspr.com ) divider line
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2013-11-10 11:29:18 AM  
Aren't the Kardashians Armenian?
 
2013-11-10 01:36:20 PM  
eat mor chikin
 
2013-11-10 01:39:54 PM  
Cattle domestication is just a theory.
 
2013-11-10 01:52:29 PM  
Did they have small udders?
 
2013-11-10 02:01:50 PM  
I wonder if Chinese cattle taste different.  Anyone know?
 
2013-11-10 02:04:36 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: I wonder if Chinese cattle taste different.


Doubt it.  Given the way the USDA works, we probably eat the stuff in bulk already.
 
2013-11-10 02:26:33 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Cattle domestication is just a theory.


Study it out.
 
2013-11-10 02:38:04 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: I wonder if Chinese cattle taste different.  Anyone know?


No, but you are hungry again 30 minutes later.
 
2013-11-10 02:50:29 PM  
They make tasty pets.

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2013-11-10 03:01:20 PM  
False.

The earth is only 6000 years old

Cattle were domesticated when God gave Adam dominion over all the animals of the earth on the 6th Day

Read the bible and then come back and talk about your alleged 'science' subturd
 
2013-11-10 03:03:30 PM  
How do the ancient aliens and UFOs fit into this theory?
 
2013-11-10 03:04:26 PM  
CAR!
 
2013-11-10 03:38:44 PM  
If you fly into MCI, there are some pastures and the end of one of the runways. And if you look out of the window, every now and then you'll see a bunch of cows in a circle, and there will be a few cows off to each side, maybe 50 yards away. They're lookouts, and the cows in the circle are plotting. I don't know what they're up to. I asked a friend who's family raises cows, and she said she doesn't know either. The farmers can't get close enough to find out, because the lookouts warn the rest of the them.
Maybe it's harmless. Maybe it's even beneficial; maybe the cows in the circle are discussing how to taste better. But somehow I doubt it. The cows are not our faithful food supply. They are up to something. Consider yourselves warned.
 
2013-11-10 03:38:59 PM  
Subby should share his mom's tips on how to live that long.
 
2013-11-10 04:05:22 PM  
I've never been that desperate for life-long companionship so no, I don't believe in domestic cattle.
 
2013-11-10 04:19:01 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: If you fly into MCI, there are some pastures and the end of one of the runways. And if you look out of the window, every now and then you'll see a bunch of cows in a circle, and there will be a few cows off to each side, maybe 50 yards away. They're lookouts, and the cows in the circle are plotting. I don't know what they're up to. I asked a friend who's family raises cows, and she said she doesn't know either. The farmers can't get close enough to find out, because the lookouts warn the rest of the them.
Maybe it's harmless. Maybe it's even beneficial; maybe the cows in the circle are discussing how to taste better. But somehow I doubt it. The cows are not our faithful food supply. They are up to something. Consider yourselves warned.


Now THAT is some double-fudge win!
 
2013-11-10 04:34:19 PM  

SpdrJay: How do the ancient aliens and UFOs fit into this theory?


Cattle mutilations.

The real purpose of this planet is to breed advanced forms of cattle to be harvested for biological material. We were genetically engineered simply to be their caretakers.

When the massive solar flare is incoming we will all cast our hopeful eyes to the alien ships in orbit, only to see them take all the cattle with them and leave without saying a word.
 
2013-11-10 05:38:50 PM  

SpdrJay: How do the ancient aliens and UFOs fit into this theory?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-10 07:45:16 PM  
i830.photobucket.com
Does not believe in things like cattle domestication.
 
2013-11-10 07:46:36 PM  

doyner: Aren't the Kardashians Armenian?


That's funny, A friend of mine bought 4 weaner pigs at an auction last spring.
When he brought them home his teenaged daughters named them Kim, Kourtney, Khloe and Bruce.
 
2013-11-10 10:15:41 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: I wonder if Chinese cattle taste different.  Anyone know?


I don't know about China, but the best steak I ever had was in Costa Rica.

At the time (mid-90's),  they had no real commercial distribution or refrigeration, so everything had to be fresh and local. The beef  was from a tropical breed that fed more or less free-range in the rain forest. The diversity of diet gave the meat this incredible flavor. The same applied for chicken, eggs, pork, etc... incredible flavors I still dream of.
 
2013-11-10 11:04:37 PM  
dailypicksandflicks.com


Origin of superior asian cow?
 
2013-11-10 11:17:31 PM  
Feral cows.


That is all.
 
2013-11-11 12:52:09 AM  
My brother-in-law's favorite conspiracy theory is that cow farts caused global warming.

/got nothing
 
2013-11-11 09:07:51 AM  
I've often thought Chinese culture is a lot older than the 5,000 years they've been counting.
 
2013-11-11 09:35:37 AM  

razyjean: My brother-in-law's favorite conspiracy theory is that cow farts caused global warming.

/got nothing


i527.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-11 10:19:50 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: False.

The earth is only 6000 years old

Cattle were domesticated when God gave Adam dominion over all the animals of the earth on the 6th Day

Read the bible and then come back and talk about your alleged 'science' subturd


Catle was waiting on the island Noah discovered.  That olive leaf was a hint from the dove on how to season it.
 
2013-11-11 11:00:36 AM  

DrunkenBob: Doktor_Zhivago: False.

The earth is only 6000 years old

Cattle were domesticated when God gave Adam dominion over all the animals of the earth on the 6th Day

Read the bible and then come back and talk about your alleged 'science' subturd

Catle was waiting on the island Noah discovered.  That olive leaf was a hint from the dove on how to season it.


What I want to know is how the Chinese race got there in the first place. After all, once the flood waters receded ~5000 years ago, the ONLY humans in existence were the couple dozen inbred members of Noah's extended family. So where did the Asians come from? And the black Africans? And the Native Americans?

And how did they get so different from Noah's "look" in just a few thousand years? Why heck, it's almost like there is some mechanism at work that, you know, introduces changes that somehow take hold in a population. Almost.
 
2013-11-11 11:20:26 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: If you fly into MCI, there are some pastures and the end of one of the runways. And if you look out of the window, every now and then you'll see a bunch of cows in a circle, and there will be a few cows off to each side, maybe 50 yards away. They're lookouts, and the cows in the circle are plotting. I don't know what they're up to. I asked a friend who's family raises cows, and she said she doesn't know either. The farmers can't get close enough to find out, because the lookouts warn the rest of the them.
Maybe it's harmless. Maybe it's even beneficial; maybe the cows in the circle are discussing how to taste better. But somehow I doubt it. The cows are not our faithful food supply. They are up to something. Consider yourselves warned.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-11 06:25:02 PM  
In all truth, this IS actually pretty darn neat for folks studying cattle evolution (and working on diversity in cattle breeds nowadays)--we have always known that there are two, possibly three, separate domestication events re aurochs (one in the Indian subcontinent, one in the Middle East, and potentially a third in Africa)--knowing that there was another one in China is a rather pleasant surprise.

It's also pretty surprising that cattle (of all species humans keep) have so many separate domestication events--especially as aurochs were supposedly mean bovine SOBs.

To put in comparison: Dogs may have had more than one domestication event (possibly a series of self-domestication events), but humans and dogs have been in close association for so long that it's a little harder to tell (dogs may have begun the process of self-domestication over 100,000 years ago and there is even some evidence protodog social order influenced human social evolution).  Pigs may have had two separate domestication events; sheep and horses and goats seem to have had a single domestication event; cats (interestingly) seem to have had a single self-domestication event strongly correlated to the development of agriculture in the Levant and Fertile Crescent.  Interestingly, the Egyptians seem to have attempted to repeat the initial domestication of cats with OTHER feline species, including--notably--the attempted domestication of cheetahs as feline sight-hounds.  Rats are known to have had at least two separate domestication events (one in China and Japan hundreds to thousands of years ago, one in Great Britain in the 1800s) and arguably had partially self-domesticated; hamsters were domesticated circa the 1950s and have diversified quite a bit since then.  The real mystery nowadays (re origins of domesticated species) are (of all critters) guinea pigs; they are probably the critter with the second oldest history of domestication of any animal (yes, longer even than pretty much any Western species--there are known remains pointing to the rearing of guinea pigs as food animals dating from 11,000 BCE) and we're still trying to figure out which of four separate cavy species (and any possible extinct relatives) guinea pigs were domesticated from.  (To the scientists' credit, the four extant possible proto-guinea-pig candidates and the extinct relatives are all very closely related.  Pretty much we're now going into the same sorts of DNA studies with guinea pigs that we do with cattle breeds...that said, fortunately it looks like guinea pigs almost certainly were domesticated in a single event.)

Knowing the "domestication heritages" of cattle also has implications for things like disease resistance in cattle breeds.  Certain "domestication families" of cattle are more immune to certain diseases than other "domestication families".  (This has been especially the case with diseases more common on the tropics that "African-lineage" and "Indian-lineage" cattle are more resistant to, and it particularly has been the case with the now-extinct bovine rinderpest (the second disease we wiped off the face of the earth; measles and canine distemper are basically human rinderpest and dog rinderpest, and rinderpest jumped the species barrier from cattle to humans around the time of the Middle Ages and to dogs around the 1800s respectively).
 
2013-11-12 02:28:50 AM  

foo monkey: Quantum Apostrophe: Cattle domestication is just a theory.

Study it out.


Man, everybody is quoting that guy today. I've had him on ignore forever and had forgotten completely about him. Is he spamming the threads more than usual? Because he's in every thread I look at thanks to other folks quoting him.
 
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