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(The Atlantic)   Prohibition resulted in pop becoming more popular and prescient than booze--a feat that companies like Pepsi and Dr. Pepper have maintained to this very day   (theatlantic.com) divider line 122
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2013-11-10 02:41:42 AM

Psycat: Oldiron_79:
Well its a combonation of customer demand by john and jane q public soda shopper and what brands corporate at chain stores want in thier store.

It sucks that John and Mary Ordinary have such an influence on not just what's sold in stores, but our entire society.  Go to an inconvenience store and can't find something useful like a light bulb but there's 100 varieties of Xtreme Hot Nacho Doritos and 200 varieties of Diet Free-Range Coke?  John and Mary Ordinary.  Why 90% of TV programming when I was a kid consisted of "The Love Boat", "Charlies' Angels", and The Fonz?  Yup, John and Mary Ordinary of 123 Main Street.  Why a blurry cell-phone video of Justin Bieber picking his nose gets a zillion hits on YouTube?  You guessed it; and the Bieber Beliebers are probably drinking Caffeine-Free Flavor-Free Coke while they're drooling to the video.  I swear it's the bland leading the bland...


Well It would be nice if they used some of the space dedicated to free range diet caffine free pomegranate dew zero to make a flavor that isnt a spinoff but I guess its not as profitable. Can I just put in a request for Pepsi to brink back Crystal Pepsi and for Coke to bring back Surge.
 
2013-11-10 02:46:12 AM

ongbok: Secondly, this has nothing to do with the headline, but Dr. Pepper taste different depending on what part of the country you are in. I learned that working there.


For years I've wondered why I only like Dr Pepper when I'm in California.. Dr Pepper is shiat in Canada, but gimme some of that sweet sweet California Love...
 
2013-11-10 02:56:09 AM

Hiro-ACiD: ongbok: Secondly, this has nothing to do with the headline, but Dr. Pepper taste different depending on what part of the country you are in. I learned that working there.

For years I've wondered why I only like Dr Pepper when I'm in California.. Dr Pepper is shiat in Canada, but gimme some of that sweet sweet California Love..


When I worked for Cadbury they were in the middle of a massive migration because they had bought a lot of independent distributors, the pop game was mad then, but I remember the AS400 team was telling us about all of the Dr. Pepper/7up plants in the South. It wasn't a very nice picture they painted. They said those plants were so bad that before you got into your car you really had to check your bags and everything for roaches. I remember they were so surprised when they came to our plant that they didn't see a single roach.
 
2013-11-10 02:56:31 AM

Oldiron_79: Psycat: ongbok:
Grape Nehi is plentiful here in Chicago, but the other flavors are hard to find. I still have a hard time finding Big Red outside of Indiana. I remember one brand of pop from when I was younger in Chicago. It was sold in 16 oz bottles, had the foam wrap label on the bottle, had a farmer on the label and came in fruit flavors like grape, watermelon and peach.

Wow, I haven't had a Big Red in years.  That's cool that Grape Nehi is still being made, too.  Don't recall a soda with a farmer on the label, but watermelon soda sounds awesome.  I used to like root beer a lot and I recall there were a lot more brands around, like Dad's or Hires', that seem to have gone away.  I'm glad they still make A & W as I really enjoyed the local A & W Drive-In when I was a kid.  BTW, I might have a gig in Chicago soon, so I'll have to keep Grape Nehi in my mental Rolodex...

Well Dr Pepper/Snapple group owns both the Nehi brand of fruit drinks and the Sunkist brand of orange and the welch's brand of grape.

In the markets where Dr Pepper distributes Sunkist or Welch's themself they do NOT carry orange or grape nehi, They do have peach and maybe some others. In the markets where Coke or Pepsi has the rights to sunkist and/or welch's leased Dr Pepper carries Nehi grape and orange.

Around here Dr Pepper distributes SK and W so we dont have Nehi except peach, but less than 100 miles away in across the state line they got nehi orange and grape because pepsi has it leased there.


That explains it.  We have Sunkist--I used to drink it a lot--and Welch's, so that's why we don't have Nehi.  I wonder if it's a lot like the syndication of comics in newspapers--the St. Paul Pioneer Press couldn't run Peanuts because the Minneapolis Strib has the syndication rights and the Twin Cities are considered a single market...
 
2013-11-10 03:00:44 AM

Oldiron_79: Psycat: Oldiron_79:
Well its a combonation of customer demand by john and jane q public soda shopper and what brands corporate at chain stores want in thier store.

It sucks that John and Mary Ordinary have such an influence on not just what's sold in stores, but our entire society.  Go to an inconvenience store and can't find something useful like a light bulb but there's 100 varieties of Xtreme Hot Nacho Doritos and 200 varieties of Diet Free-Range Coke?  John and Mary Ordinary.  Why 90% of TV programming when I was a kid consisted of "The Love Boat", "Charlies' Angels", and The Fonz?  Yup, John and Mary Ordinary of 123 Main Street.  Why a blurry cell-phone video of Justin Bieber picking his nose gets a zillion hits on YouTube?  You guessed it; and the Bieber Beliebers are probably drinking Caffeine-Free Flavor-Free Coke while they're drooling to the video.  I swear it's the bland leading the bland...

Well It would be nice if they used some of the space dedicated to free range diet caffine free pomegranate dew zero to make a flavor that isnt a spinoff but I guess its not as profitable. Can I just put in a request for Pepsi to brink back Crystal Pepsi and for Coke to bring back Surge.


At least some of the harder-to-find brands like Stewart's can be found in the local supermarkets.  I'm tired of my local inconvenience store anyways--high prices and no selection.  There's also a nearby Mexican grocery store that has Jumex and other offbeat brands as well...
 
2013-11-10 03:11:18 AM

Psycat: Oldiron_79: Psycat: ongbok:
Grape Nehi is plentiful here in Chicago, but the other flavors are hard to find. I still have a hard time finding Big Red outside of Indiana. I remember one brand of pop from when I was younger in Chicago. It was sold in 16 oz bottles, had the foam wrap label on the bottle, had a farmer on the label and came in fruit flavors like grape, watermelon and peach.

Wow, I haven't had a Big Red in years.  That's cool that Grape Nehi is still being made, too.  Don't recall a soda with a farmer on the label, but watermelon soda sounds awesome.  I used to like root beer a lot and I recall there were a lot more brands around, like Dad's or Hires', that seem to have gone away.  I'm glad they still make A & W as I really enjoyed the local A & W Drive-In when I was a kid.  BTW, I might have a gig in Chicago soon, so I'll have to keep Grape Nehi in my mental Rolodex...

Well Dr Pepper/Snapple group owns both the Nehi brand of fruit drinks and the Sunkist brand of orange and the welch's brand of grape.

In the markets where Dr Pepper distributes Sunkist or Welch's themself they do NOT carry orange or grape nehi, They do have peach and maybe some others. In the markets where Coke or Pepsi has the rights to sunkist and/or welch's leased Dr Pepper carries Nehi grape and orange.

Around here Dr Pepper distributes SK and W so we dont have Nehi except peach, but less than 100 miles away in across the state line they got nehi orange and grape because pepsi has it leased there.

That explains it.  We have Sunkist--I used to drink it a lot--and Welch's, so that's why we don't have Nehi.  I wonder if it's a lot like the syndication of comics in newspapers--the St. Paul Pioneer Press couldn't run Peanuts because the Minneapolis Strib has the syndication rights and the Twin Cities are considered a single market...


Yeah where Dr Pepper is very much the #3 of the big 3 Coke and Pepsi tend to lease certain brands from them in certain markets to increase thier market share in that market and get more shelf space from the stores.

Coke and Pepsi sometimes lease the same brand in neighboring markets and it causes some confusion because its with the coke products in X city but with pepsi products in Y city.
 
2013-11-10 03:13:27 AM

Psycat: Oldiron_79: Psycat: ongbok:
Grape Nehi is plentiful here in Chicago, but the other flavors are hard to find. I still have a hard time finding Big Red outside of Indiana. I remember one brand of pop from when I was younger in Chicago. It was sold in 16 oz bottles, had the foam wrap label on the bottle, had a farmer on the label and came in fruit flavors like grape, watermelon and peach.

Wow, I haven't had a Big Red in years.  That's cool that Grape Nehi is still being made, too.  Don't recall a soda with a farmer on the label, but watermelon soda sounds awesome.  I used to like root beer a lot and I recall there were a lot more brands around, like Dad's or Hires', that seem to have gone away.  I'm glad they still make A & W as I really enjoyed the local A & W Drive-In when I was a kid.  BTW, I might have a gig in Chicago soon, so I'll have to keep Grape Nehi in my mental Rolodex...

Well Dr Pepper/Snapple group owns both the Nehi brand of fruit drinks and the Sunkist brand of orange and the welch's brand of grape.

In the markets where Dr Pepper distributes Sunkist or Welch's themself they do NOT carry orange or grape nehi, They do have peach and maybe some others. In the markets where Coke or Pepsi has the rights to sunkist and/or welch's leased Dr Pepper carries Nehi grape and orange.

Around here Dr Pepper distributes SK and W so we dont have Nehi except peach, but less than 100 miles away in across the state line they got nehi orange and grape because pepsi has it leased there.

That explains it.  We have Sunkist--I used to drink it a lot--and Welch's, so that's why we don't have Nehi.  I wonder if it's a lot like the syndication of comics in newspapers--the St. Paul Pioneer Press couldn't run Peanuts because the Minneapolis Strib has the syndication rights and the Twin Cities are considered a single market...


From what I learned working for Cadbury is that the pop game is still very regional. I always find it very weird when people say they don't have certain brands in their area because in Chicago we have just about every major brand, except for Big Red. But that is how it is, some brands aren't allowed to be sold in some areas, even though they are distributed by the same companies, because those same companies have local deals going decades that calls for them to pay money to distribute in certain areas.
 
2013-11-10 03:15:21 AM
Subby obviously meant "perspicacious". Duh.
 
2013-11-10 03:22:10 AM

ongbok: Psycat: Oldiron_79: Psycat: ongbok:
Grape Nehi is plentiful here in Chicago, but the other flavors are hard to find. I still have a hard time finding Big Red outside of Indiana. I remember one brand of pop from when I was younger in Chicago. It was sold in 16 oz bottles, had the foam wrap label on the bottle, had a farmer on the label and came in fruit flavors like grape, watermelon and peach.

Wow, I haven't had a Big Red in years.  That's cool that Grape Nehi is still being made, too.  Don't recall a soda with a farmer on the label, but watermelon soda sounds awesome.  I used to like root beer a lot and I recall there were a lot more brands around, like Dad's or Hires', that seem to have gone away.  I'm glad they still make A & W as I really enjoyed the local A & W Drive-In when I was a kid.  BTW, I might have a gig in Chicago soon, so I'll have to keep Grape Nehi in my mental Rolodex...

Well Dr Pepper/Snapple group owns both the Nehi brand of fruit drinks and the Sunkist brand of orange and the welch's brand of grape.

In the markets where Dr Pepper distributes Sunkist or Welch's themself they do NOT carry orange or grape nehi, They do have peach and maybe some others. In the markets where Coke or Pepsi has the rights to sunkist and/or welch's leased Dr Pepper carries Nehi grape and orange.

Around here Dr Pepper distributes SK and W so we dont have Nehi except peach, but less than 100 miles away in across the state line they got nehi orange and grape because pepsi has it leased there.

That explains it.  We have Sunkist--I used to drink it a lot--and Welch's, so that's why we don't have Nehi.  I wonder if it's a lot like the syndication of comics in newspapers--the St. Paul Pioneer Press couldn't run Peanuts because the Minneapolis Strib has the syndication rights and the Twin Cities are considered a single market...

From what I learned working for Cadbury is that the pop game is still very regional. I always find it very weird when people say they don't have certain brands in their area because in Chicago we have just about every major brand, except for Big Red. But that is how it is, some brands aren't allowed to be sold in some areas, even though they are distributed by the same companies, because those same companies have local deals going decades that calls for them to pay money to distribute in certain areas.


Well theres a lot of brands that are technically available but the main chains just dont carry them so unless you are shopping in a little indipendently owned hadji mart you wont find them.
 
2013-11-10 03:41:47 AM

Psycat: 1.  Is there a Mrs. Pibb?

2.  In Holland and Germany, the Coke bottles have peoples' names on them like "Marloes" and "Jeroen" as part of a weird ad campaign I don't understand, and half-liter bottles of soda/pop go for upwards of 3.50 Euros or about $5.

3.  I'm thinking of giving up on soda/pop because it's a stupid habit like posting on Fark.


I don't think it is an ad campaign- it just makes each bottle unique, so you know which is yours. Pricing is crazy here, but they don't taste like ass like in America.
 
2013-11-10 05:26:42 AM
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2013-11-10 06:20:03 AM

ongbok: Psycat: Starshines: Bucky Katt: [www.traditionalmusic.co.uk image 850x415]

Psycat: BTW, if you ever look closely at the soda/pop vending machines outside of large supermarkets, you'll notice that of the 50 selections there are, about 40 are some tired variation of a cola beverage (e.g. Zero Calorie, Caffeine-Free RC Cola Xtreme), about 9 buttons are for some tired variation on Mountain Dew for the tweaker crowd, and maybe 1 button for something truly offbeat like Tahitian Treat or root beer.  I'm apparently one of the 0.^A% who picks that button.

/I'm also one of the 0.^A% who regularly votes for third parties
//and I'm left-handed
///and I'm one of a handful of people in the world who do my bizarro genre of art professionally

You think root beer is "truly offbeat"?

It's the most offbeat selection in my example.  Supermarket vending machines usually don't carry Stewart's Key Lime and, oy, try to find a grape Nehi anywhere nowadays.  And I still have fond memories of the Viking Pop Company where I used to live that had really weird flavors like Orange Cream Soda.  Cola-based beverages are for the Pod People (TM), Mountain Dew is for aspiring meth heads, and Dr Pepper is for the hipsters who *think* they're cooler than the coke heads...

Grape Nehi is plentiful here in Chicago, but the other flavors are hard to find. I still have a hard time finding Big Red outside of Indiana. I remember one brand of pop from when I was younger in Chicago. It was sold in 16 oz bottles, had the foam wrap label on the bottle, had a farmer on the label and came in fruit flavors like grape, watermelon and peach.


I remember seeing Big Red in Texas when I was growing up (late 70s-early 80s).

Other memories from that time were Hawaiian Punch and the many flavors of Shasta.
 
2013-11-10 06:25:05 AM
Or how about this one

b.vimeocdn.com

Anybody remember these?
 
2013-11-10 06:46:33 AM

ongbok: Or how about this one



Anybody remember these?


Yup. The little independent grocery store I worked at in high school carried it. The peach was excellent, as was the orange. Not too sweet, made with cane sugar iirc.
 
2013-11-10 07:56:41 AM
I keep coming back to this thread in the hopes that subby will make an appearance to tell us what the fark he thinks the word "prescient" means.
 
2013-11-10 10:18:43 AM
 
2013-11-10 10:42:54 AM
Wtf does shiatty catchy music have to do with the kind of cokes people drink?
 
2013-11-10 11:28:22 AM

ongbok: [New York Seltzer] Anybody remember these?


The grocery stores in Michigan's U.P. had this stuff in the 1980s, so I can only assume that New York Seltzer must've been everywhere in the Midwest. But yes, the variety of pop flavors has probably gone way down from what it used to be. Blame improving market research and people's resistance to change for that. I always got odd/interesting flavors of pop (Apple Slice, orange, grape, blueberry, etc.) at the grocery store because the selection at restaurants or other people's houses was always very limited.
 
2013-11-10 03:03:55 PM

Snapper Carr: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: WTF is pop?

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Looks like the St. Louis region has a large concentration of "Soda".
 
2013-11-10 03:56:32 PM

tuna fingers: Disgusting.

Soda/Pop doesn't matter.  The fact remains it is crap.  I was challenged about 5 years ago to just let it go.  Liberating to a degree.  The stuff sucks.


What do you use for vodka and rum mixers?
 
2013-11-10 05:14:52 PM

Psycat: Cola-based beverages are for the Pod People (TM), Mountain Dew is for aspiring meth heads, and Dr Pepper is for the hipsters who *think* they're cooler than the coke heads...


And which drink was it, again, that's for the people who categorize others and bolster their own superiority based on what kind of carbonated sugar water they choose?
 
2013-11-10 07:28:21 PM

jfarkinB: Psycat: Cola-based beverages are for the Pod People (TM), Mountain Dew is for aspiring meth heads, and Dr Pepper is for the hipsters who *think* they're cooler than the coke heads...

And which drink was it, again, that's for the people who categorize others and bolster their own superiority based on what kind of carbonated sugar water they choose?

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