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(Reason Magazine)   They came first for the smokers but I said nothing because I don't smoke. Next they came for the drinkers and still I remained silent because I don't drink. When they finally came for the trans fats there was no one left to speak for my treats   (reason.com) divider line 190
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2013-11-09 12:57:24 PM  
Everyone wants public health until it comes time for their sacrifice.
 
2013-11-09 01:03:18 PM  
You can pry my trans fats from my cold, morbidly obese hands

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2013-11-09 01:16:15 PM  

basemetal: Everyone wants public health until it comes time for their sacrifice.


It's not a sacrifice.

Trans fats are a cheap substitute for real oils, no one uses it for it's taste.  There isn't any application where trans fats are better than natural fats, this is like complaining that sanitary regulations violating your right to eat rat meat and ground roach in your hamburger.
 
2013-11-09 01:16:17 PM  
NOT THE TWINKIES AGAIN!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
 
2013-11-09 01:17:43 PM  
Actually "they" first came for alcohol, but that's not my complaint about this particularly moronic headline.   Yes, subby, banning artificial trans fat is very much like the holocaust.  Not getting your feed bag of cheap donuts is very similar to how the Nazis methodically marginalized and then targeted minority populations.  That's for pointing this out.  You're a real trailblazer.  Why, you're the Rosa Parks of inappropriate comparisons.
 
2013-11-09 01:28:20 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: NOT THE TWINKIES AGAIN!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


Oh the people who dress up as Jedi at conventions are going to feel this one!
 
2013-11-09 01:32:02 PM  
Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?
 
2013-11-09 01:40:18 PM  

Nefarious: Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?


butter tastes better anyway
 
2013-11-09 01:40:58 PM  

Nefarious: Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?


I think the filling in Twinkies is a 60/40 mix of hydrogenated lard and corn syrup

/you just can't make that stuff any other way
 
2013-11-09 01:47:27 PM  
Oh noes!

Sensible regulation that has a positive effect on public health.

Thanks for assuring me that my outrage is valid, Reason.
 
2013-11-09 01:53:33 PM  

Nefarious: Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?


Actually there are lots of transfat free margarines out there. Don't know if their shelf life is shorter or not though.
 
2013-11-09 02:43:18 PM  

vpb: basemetal: Everyone wants public health until it comes time for their sacrifice.

It's not a sacrifice.

Trans fats are a cheap substitute for real oils, no one uses it for it's taste.  There isn't any application where trans fats are better than natural fats, this is like complaining that sanitary regulations violating your right to eat rat meat and ground roach in your hamburger.


That's the weirdest part about subby's headline.  At least smoking and drinking provide some form of pleasurable experience to the people who do them.  I can't imagine anyone craves trans fats over any other kind of fats.
 
2013-11-09 03:13:08 PM  
Air is absolutely vital for survival and we should make sure it stays clean for all of us. -Barack Obama
 
2013-11-09 03:21:32 PM  

libranoelrose: Nefarious: Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?

butter tastes better anyway


Mmmmmmmm. I just finished my butter and coconut oil bulletproof coffee.

/lost 25 pounds since Oct. 11
 
2013-11-09 04:02:27 PM  
Wait until they come for your insulin fatmitter
 
2013-11-09 04:03:26 PM  

FloydA: That's the weirdest part about subby's headline. At least smoking and drinking provide some form of pleasurable experience to the people who do them. I can't imagine anyone craves trans fats over any other kind of fats.


There's probably some Monopoly Guy looking motherfarker who can only get off with fracking sludge and trans fat.
 
2013-11-09 04:19:00 PM  
Next up, high fructose corn syrup.
 
2013-11-09 04:21:40 PM  
I eat mostly junk food and still don't have a problem with this. If anything, it might make me marginally more healthy.

/margarinally?
 
2013-11-09 04:26:33 PM  
You will be told what you can and cannot put into your body and you will not question it.
 
2013-11-09 04:31:13 PM  
I have already seen articles screaming tyranny over this, but here is the fact.  The populace had the freedom to exercise choice and now obesity is the norm with morbidly obese coming in second on its scooter because it can't walk.  We are in an epidemic of diabetes and we are having CHILDREN now develop TYPE II diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart related problems at an age when they should be worrying about prom.  This younger generation is projected to have a lifespan shorter than ours which is another dubious high water mark for our generation.  So, now the problem is a national crisis whose scope will most certainly affect those who did not make the choice to eat themselves into ill health.

Doctors are seeing liver damage resembling those of long term alcoholics being caused by poor diet and obesity.  Doctors did not even know that was possible.  Our major export is heart disease.  You can watch the data in other countries as they begin to import our eating style into their country and like clockwork all the major players begin to show up Coronary Heart Disease, Diabetes, Stroke, Cancers...

We need to regulate the junk food, fast food, and processed food that are available to try and somehow reduce the negative impact of overconsumption of this crap.  So yes, in a way I guess you are having a bit of choice taken away but remember it is because we abused that privilege to the point that we are now negatively effecting others as well as ourselves.  In other words... CONSEQUENCES mother farker.
 
2013-11-09 04:32:04 PM  

shanrick: Next up, high fructose corn syrup.


If only.
 
2013-11-09 04:38:29 PM  

gunslinger_RG: We need to regulate the junk food, fast food, and processed food


You sound fat.
 
2013-11-09 04:43:31 PM  
No trans fats?

You won't notice, except things may cost a few pennies more.

That's about it.
 
2013-11-09 04:50:39 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: gunslinger_RG: We need to regulate the junk food, fast food, and processed food

You sound fat.


Yea, really really fat.
 
2013-11-09 05:13:36 PM  

gunslinger_RG: I have already seen articles screaming tyranny over this, but here is the fact.  The populace had the freedom to exercise choice and now obesity is the norm with morbidly obese coming in second on its scooter because it can't walk.  We are in an epidemic of diabetes and we are having CHILDREN now develop TYPE II diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart related problems at an age when they should be worrying about prom.  This younger generation is projected to have a lifespan shorter than ours which is another dubious high water mark for our generation.  So, now the problem is a national crisis whose scope will most certainly affect those who did not make the choice to eat themselves into ill health.

Doctors are seeing liver damage resembling those of long term alcoholics being caused by poor diet and obesity.  Doctors did not even know that was possible.  Our major export is heart disease.  You can watch the data in other countries as they begin to import our eating style into their country and like clockwork all the major players begin to show up Coronary Heart Disease, Diabetes, Stroke, Cancers...

We need to regulate the junk food, fast food, and processed food that are available to try and somehow reduce the negative impact of overconsumption of this crap.  So yes, in a way I guess you are having a bit of choice taken away but remember it is because we abused that privilege to the point that we are now negatively effecting others as well as ourselves.  In other words... CONSEQUENCES mother farker.


It'll be more effective to fix the broken farm subsidy system than to try to strong-arm people.
 
2013-11-09 05:15:32 PM  

gunslinger_RG: I have already seen articles screaming tyranny over this, but here is the fact.  The populace had the freedom to exercise choice and now obesity is the norm with morbidly obese coming in second on its scooter because it can't walk.


The people have a right to choose. Unfortunately, corporations have billions to spend on advertising to influence those choices, and anyone who stands against them simply don't have the resources to counter an industry that studies our society and psychology in order to make that influence more powerful.
 
2013-11-09 05:56:41 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: You will be told what you can and cannot put into your body and you will not question it.


Sit in the corner and eat some more paint chips, sparky.
 
2013-11-09 06:13:47 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: libranoelrose: Nefarious: Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?

butter tastes better anyway

Mmmmmmmm. I just finished my butter and coconut oil bulletproof coffee.

/lost 25 pounds since Oct. 11


Wat is this?
 
2013-11-09 06:47:12 PM  
Regulate, but don't ban. Force them to have large warning labels, or tax it to drive behavior.
 
2013-11-09 06:54:12 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: You will be told what you can and cannot put into your body and you will not question it.


No, you are still completely free to mix up a beaker of industrial solvents and chug it in the privacy of your own home. The government is doing its job ensuring that food sold commercially is safe to eat.
 
2013-11-09 07:08:41 PM  

Cagey B: Sit in the corner and eat some more paint chips, sparky.


What's your position on legalization fuchstick?

revrendjim: No, you are still completely free to mix up a beaker of industrial solvents and chug it in the privacy of your own home. The government is doing its job ensuring that food sold commercially is safe to eat.


And trans fats are not safe because they can cause disease if taken in excess. Well, what else can we lump in with that assessment?
 
2013-11-09 07:14:58 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Cagey B: Sit in the corner and eat some more paint chips, sparky.

What's your position on legalization fuchstick?

revrendjim: No, you are still completely free to mix up a beaker of industrial solvents and chug it in the privacy of your own home. The government is doing its job ensuring that food sold commercially is safe to eat.

And trans fats are not safe because they can cause disease if taken in excess. Well, what else can we lump in with that assessment?


Many things, such as alcohol, are bad in excess, but unlike alcohol trans fats are completely unnecessary. You can just use normal fats and everything will taste fine.
 
2013-11-09 07:15:27 PM  

libranoelrose: ecmoRandomNumbers: libranoelrose: Nefarious: Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?

butter tastes better anyway

Mmmmmmmm. I just finished my butter and coconut oil bulletproof coffee.

/lost 25 pounds since Oct. 11

Wat is this?


Looks pretty silly, but if it works for you, who cares if it's just the placebo effect.
 
2013-11-09 07:19:54 PM  

ghare: libranoelrose: ecmoRandomNumbers: libranoelrose: Nefarious: Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?

butter tastes better anyway

Mmmmmmmm. I just finished my butter and coconut oil bulletproof coffee.

/lost 25 pounds since Oct. 11

Wat is this?

Looks pretty silly, but if it works for you, who cares if it's just the placebo effect.


Ummm... it's part of a larger diet. If you can lose 25 pounds through placebo in a month, I'd love to read about it.
 
2013-11-09 07:20:30 PM  

vpb: basemetal: Everyone wants public health until it comes time for their sacrifice.

It's not a sacrifice.

Trans fats are a cheap substitute for real oils, no one uses it for it's taste.  There isn't any application where trans fats are better than natural fats, this is like complaining that sanitary regulations violating your right to eat rat meat and ground roach in your hamburger.


^^^What someone who has no idea what trans fats are or how they function in food might look like ^^^

Of course no one uses them for taste, trans fats are all about texture.  By controlling the level of hydrogenation you can create an oil/fat with just about any properties you want.
 
2013-11-09 07:21:09 PM  

libranoelrose: Nefarious: Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?

butter tastes better anyway


I never believed it wasn't butter.
 
2013-11-09 07:24:48 PM  
Is trans-fats the thing where a dude becomes a girl and gains 300 pounds? Because I support banning those.
 
2013-11-09 07:26:41 PM  

RogermcAllen: Of course no one uses them for taste, trans fats are all about texture.  By controlling the level of hydrogenation you can create an oil/fat with just about any properties you want.


Well, let's create one with the property of not killing people, then!
 
2013-11-09 07:27:52 PM  

RogermcAllen: vpb: basemetal: Everyone wants public health until it comes time for their sacrifice.

It's not a sacrifice.

Trans fats are a cheap substitute for real oils, no one uses it for it's taste.  There isn't any application where trans fats are better than natural fats, this is like complaining that sanitary regulations violating your right to eat rat meat and ground roach in your hamburger.

^^^What someone who has no idea what trans fats are or how they function in food might look like ^^^

Of course no one uses them for taste, trans fats are all about texture.  By controlling the level of hydrogenation you can create an oil/fat with just about any properties you want.


I think I misquoted you a bit, so let me fix my statement.

Trans fats are often better than natural oils because they have a higher oxidative stability.  This means crackers that last forever without smelling rancid or fryer oil that can be used longer without needing to be changed.
 
2013-11-09 07:29:09 PM  
According to Reason magazine since lead is a naturally occurring substance we should not ban lead additives.

WTH!!!
 
2013-11-09 07:30:12 PM  

dameron: Actually "they" first came for alcohol, but that's not my complaint about this particularly moronic headline.   Yes, subby, banning artificial trans fat is very much like the holocaust.  Not getting your feed bag of cheap donuts is very similar to how the Nazis methodically marginalized and then targeted minority populations.  That's for pointing this out.  You're a real trailblazer.  Why, you're the Rosa Parks of inappropriate comparisons.


I am going out on a limb here...but I get the *hunch* that you are being slightly sarcastic in your post...I mean, I can't be sure, but I can sense there is just a small amount of sarcasm in what you are saying...please correct me if I am wrong
 
2013-11-09 07:30:49 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: You will be told what you can and cannot put into your body and you will not question it.


Especially if it's an ultrasound probe.
 
2013-11-09 07:33:02 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: shanrick: Next up, high fructose corn syrup.

If only.


That and food coloring.
 
2013-11-09 07:34:19 PM  

revrendjim: Many things, such as alcohol, are bad in excess, but unlike alcohol trans fats are completely unnecessary. You can just use normal fats and everything will taste fine


But not as cost effective. Kind of like 70/30 and 93/7 ground beef. You best start a drive to ban anything other than premium lean beef.
 
2013-11-09 07:35:30 PM  

Without Fail: Especially if it's an ultrasound probe.


Exactly!
 
2013-11-09 07:36:32 PM  
FTFA: Adoption of the proposal, which is open to public comment until Jan. 7, 2014, would mean that food producers who want to use partially hydrogenated oils would first have to prove to the FDA the safety of the ingredient.

They're taking away our freedoms!
 
2013-11-09 07:37:28 PM  

vpb: There isn't any application where trans fats are better than natural fats


Shelf life.  Trans-fats go rancid slower than non-trans fats ("natural" is a misnomer because trans fats occur naturally too).  I've had a lot of problems with the now-trans-fat-free version of Crisco - I have to buy in smaller amounts and keep it refrigerated or it will go rancid on me before I use it up.
 
2013-11-09 07:37:50 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: And trans fats are not safe because they can cause disease if taken in excess. Well, what else can we lump in with that assessment?


With booze and cigarettes, your body will let you know it's time to slow down. Not so much with trans fats.
 
2013-11-09 07:38:01 PM  

ghare: libranoelrose: ecmoRandomNumbers: libranoelrose: Nefarious: Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?

butter tastes better anyway

Mmmmmmmm. I just finished my butter and coconut oil bulletproof coffee.

/lost 25 pounds since Oct. 11

Wat is this?

Looks pretty silly, but if it works for you, who cares if it's just the placebo effect.


Nah...it's the 'fat effect'. I'm guessing ecmoRandomNumbers is on a high-fat, low-carb diet. The short version is that they work by using the fat in one's diet to turn off the hunger signal in the brain so you end up eating fewer calories. Depending on how obese one is when the diet is started, it is easy to maintain a pound a day weight loss for several weeks. Over the longer run, you can lose a pound every time your 'calories out' exceeds your 'calories in' by 3500.
 
2013-11-09 07:40:14 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: ghare: libranoelrose: ecmoRandomNumbers: libranoelrose: Nefarious: Wouldn't it be more just losing some shelf life on most products? Since transfats just last longer without going rancid.  I think we may lose margarine (I could be wrong) but is that a great loss?

butter tastes better anyway

Mmmmmmmm. I just finished my butter and coconut oil bulletproof coffee.

/lost 25 pounds since Oct. 11

Wat is this?

Looks pretty silly, but if it works for you, who cares if it's just the placebo effect.

Ummm... it's part of a larger diet. If you can lose 25 pounds through placebo in a month, I'd love to read about it.


Look, if you think it's helping you, good for you.  But i'd venture it's the "larger diet" that's helping, and the funny coffee is just part of a new eating ritual, with very little actual effect other than helping you feel good about paying attention to your diet. So that's a good thing.

Unless you have some sort of research showing the magic coffee working.
 
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