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(The Atlantic)   The most misunderstood person in all of education is none other than the principal, who is either caught sayof or making decisions the public doesn't understand   (theatlantic.com) divider line 37
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2013-11-09 04:05:42 PM  
He's your pal, which is a handy mnemonic for remembering how to spell the warden's title.
 
2013-11-09 06:07:57 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: He's your pal, which is a handy mnemonic for remembering how to spell the warden's title.


Interesting that you say HE.

Teachers are overwhelmingly female in the US, but only 50% of principals are female, and as little as 20 years ago, principals were 75%+ male

We definitely seem to have a latent cultural assumption in the country of female teachers and male principals. I wonder why that is?
 
2013-11-09 06:52:59 PM  
I grew up in small town Kansas. Never had to worry about vice-principals.  The bureaucratization of education is a thing that has to be addressed.

/as a middle-aged bachelor, I will not deign to give suggestions
 
2013-11-09 07:37:40 PM  

whistleridge: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: He's your pal, which is a handy mnemonic for remembering how to spell the warden's title.

Interesting that you say HE.

Teachers are overwhelmingly female in the US, but only 50% of principals are female, and as little as 20 years ago, principals were 75%+ male. 

We definitely seem to have a latent cultural assumption in the country of female teachers and male principals. I wonder why that is?


Because it makes better porn that way?
 
2013-11-09 07:39:03 PM  
Oh, we understand Principals all right. They're petty, tyrannical Douchebags.
 
2013-11-09 07:45:13 PM  
moemonster.com
 
2013-11-09 07:45:47 PM  

Lord Jubjub: I grew up in small town Kansas. Never had to worry about vice-principals.  The bureaucratization of education is a thing that has to be addressed.

/as a middle-aged bachelor, I will not deign to give suggestions


One of the things that I noticed was that principals went up and vice principals went down.

So the principal dealt with all the stupid mandates coming in from the bureaucracy above, and the vice principals dealt with all the stupid shiat the students pulled.
 
2013-11-09 07:48:43 PM  
My dad is a principal and I know parents are his biggest problem with bs like cheer leading drama and parents being plain idiots. The other end is constantly moving goal posts from the state board of education.

It's a very thankless job.

For other people who have principals in the family, do they ever turn off being principal at home?
 
2013-11-09 07:50:23 PM  
Those are the breaks. You sit on that throne, and you have a sword hanging over your head at all times.
 
2013-11-09 07:50:41 PM  
I thought the pricipal was the one caught sayof.
 
2013-11-09 07:52:10 PM  
When I was in school growing up, the difference between teachers and principals as that the principals all drove Cadillacs and the teachers all drove Hondas.
 
2013-11-09 07:52:17 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Oh, we understand Principals all right. They're petty, tyrannical Douchebags.


Pretty much. All school administrators are incompetent middle-managers that couldn't get hired as the "Soft-lines Team Lead" at Penney's.

I keep saying it, but the feds need to step in and take over public education at every level. Quit letting the petty tyrants at the local level run things.
 
2013-11-09 08:08:37 PM  
Didn't have a vice principal until junior high.. in grade school, the principal's office was always a scary place.. if you were there, you were in trouble. In junior high and HS, the VP always dealt with discipline, the principal always dealt with the school board and the parents, and they split teacher issues down the middle.  My VP always knew or suspected what trouble I had been up to, and my principal always knew what my grades and standardized test scores were. They were an eerily effective team, those two.
 
2013-11-09 08:10:36 PM  
My high school principal was a major league baseball player for a couple years, or at least that was what he claimed. For the Cleveland Indians if I remember right. He also claimed to have a college degree, and that was certainly a lie. At the time that he was fired the school was about 30% below the state average on everything, test scores, teacher salary, graduation rates, you name it. From what I hear that hasn't changed in the last 13 years. When I first saw that Simpsons episode where they go on a field trip to the box factory, just like every year, I thought they were lucky; our equivalent was a sewage treatment plant. I went to that place three farking times.

Our vice principal was much better than our principal; he actually had a degree, even. He also left his wife and kids for the captain of the girls' basketball team, but one can't have everything.
 
2013-11-09 08:15:52 PM  
Ahhh legendary threads never really get old.
 
2013-11-09 08:27:19 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: [moemonster.com image 850x478]


Nichijou was so farking good. Absolutely incredible animation quality.
 
2013-11-09 08:32:47 PM  
My grandfather was a principal in Taiwan, first under the Japanese then under the KMT. In all Asian countries, it's a little akin to being the head of a mafia. If not a mafia, then a very easily identifiable parallel patronage tree.

/fun fact: some of Chiang Kai-Shek's generals used to refer to him as 'principal' because he was formally the principal of Whampoa (Huangpu) military academy
 
2013-11-09 08:42:20 PM  
The principal is to blame for everything.  The low test scores, class after class of ugly, ugly children . . .
 
2013-11-09 08:47:29 PM  
all the while making $100-150k a year to work 9 months as basically the manager of a small office.
 
2013-11-09 08:51:19 PM  

ZoSo_the_Crowe: Satanic_Hamster: [moemonster.com image 850x478]

Nichijou was so farking good. Absolutely incredible animation quality.


The slice of life premise is tedious and sad so I'll probably never watch it, but it apparently makes for good AMVs. Or at least, people who make good AMVs are drawn to it.


/you know, that dance wasn't as safe as they said it was
 
2013-11-09 08:53:28 PM  

whistleridge: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: He's your pal, which is a handy mnemonic for remembering how to spell the warden's title.

Interesting that you say HE.

Teachers are overwhelmingly female in the US, but only 50% of principals are female, and as little as 20 years ago, principals were 75%+ male. 

We definitely seem to have a latent cultural assumption in the country of female teachers and male principals. I wonder why that is?


It's not a latent assumption.  As your numbers indicate, that's a pretty common occurrence.  The difference between a principal and teacher?  Typically, an advanced degree and putting many years into the system as a lower level worker before moving up, same as any other field.  A lot of teachers are twenty-somethings straight out of college, who do it for a few years to make a living wage, then quit to raise a family.  It's no surprise they don't become principals.  That was never the idea.
 
2013-11-09 09:16:14 PM  

whistleridge: Teachers are overwhelmingly female in the US, but only 50% of principals are female, and as little as 20 years ago, principals were 75%+ male.

We definitely seem to have a latent cultural assumption in the country of female teachers and male principals. I wonder why that is?


Administration =/= Teaching.  Two entirely different careers and skill sets.

This just in:  some careers have a gender bias.  Doesn't necessarily mean there's discrimination going on, could be as simple as more men get attracted to a career of power/authority (because testosterone), while more women get attracted to a career of nurturing.
 
2013-11-09 09:48:31 PM  

Mister Peejay: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Satanic_Hamster: [moemonster.com image 850x478]

Nichijou was so farking good. Absolutely incredible animation quality.

The slice of life premise is tedious and sad so I'll probably never watch it, but it apparently makes for good AMVs. Or at least, people who make good AMVs are drawn to it.


/you know, that dance wasn't as safe as they said it was


Out of all the slice of life shows out there, its probably the best. Its closer in spirit to Monty Python than it is to K-on.
 
2013-11-09 10:04:45 PM  
Wodan11:  Administration =/= Teaching.  Two entirely different careers and skill sets.

Not really. Both basically have to deal with the tantrums of petulant children.
 
2013-11-09 10:15:53 PM  

DigitalCoffee: Wodan11:  Administration =/= Teaching.  Two entirely different careers and skill sets.

Not really. Both basically have to deal with the tantrums of petulant children.


As a retail manager, that description errily reminds me of my customers.
 
2013-11-09 10:26:36 PM  
caught sayof? Hey failmitter, get a browser with spell check. Where are the Mods?
 
2013-11-09 10:32:36 PM  
I've never had a principal that wasn't eventually exposed as an embezzler (or at least in the one case, such a fat bastard he was blowing the school's budget on little cars that couldn't support his immense weight). It was such a chain of failure that eventually they went without one and ultimately shut the school down.
 
2013-11-09 10:38:23 PM  

ClintonKun: Mister Peejay: ZoSo_the_Crowe: Satanic_Hamster: [moemonster.com image 850x478]

Nichijou was so farking good. Absolutely incredible animation quality.

The slice of life premise is tedious and sad so I'll probably never watch it, but it apparently makes for good AMVs. Or at least, people who make good AMVs are drawn to it.


/you know, that dance wasn't as safe as they said it was

Out of all the slice of life shows out there, its probably the best. Its closer in spirit to Monty Python than it is to K-on.


Word.  I was skeptical at first but I ended up LOVING Nichijou and wished there were more eps.  Great animation, weirdly pseudo-episodic, hilarious non-sequiturs, and absolutely no f*cks (or explanations) given.

I think I'll start watching them all again right now.
 
2013-11-09 10:40:00 PM  

the801: all the while making $100-150k a year to work 9 months as basically the manager of a small office.


You know how I know you know nothing about schools? You probably know nothing about lots of things but you can show us that in other threads
 
2013-11-09 11:55:51 PM  

Guy Who Doesnt Get The Joke: caught sayof? Hey failmitter, get a browser with spell check. Where are the Mods?


Username never more appropriate.
 
2013-11-10 02:08:25 AM  
My elementary school and junior high principals were crucial in getting me on the right track - my junior high principal in particular made sure I was allowed to take math classes which were theoretically supposed to be too advanced for someone my age.

As for high school, the best I could figure was that the principal ran the football and other sports teams and the vice principal ran the school part of the school. The principal was built like a linebacker, so I figure he was probably sticking with what he knew. I did get to meet him after winning some academic thing or other - I got the impression that he didn't quite understand what I'd won, but it'd put the school's name in a good light, so he guessed it was a good thing I did. He was a pretty decent guy, all the same (at least as far as I could tell).

Also:

picodenico: Guy Who Doesnt Get The Joke: caught sayof? Hey failmitter, get a browser with spell check. Where are the Mods?

Username never more appropriate.


Don't reply to yourself on your alt, dude. :D
 
2013-11-10 05:57:40 AM  

Guy Who Doesnt Get The Joke: caught sayof? Hey failmitter, get a browser with spell check. Where are the Mods?


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2013-11-10 09:54:12 AM  
The entire concept of Principal, Vice Principal, Dean of (fill in grade and/or department here) is a bureaucratic circle jerk and tax-payer welfare for those who can't do anything else constructive.
Having worked as a teacher in both public and private schools, I have found that for the most part, the schools are populated with socially and culturally ignorant, mouth-breathing cretins who were barely competent in their supposed fields of expertise.
I have also met some astounding and fascinatingly brilliant teachers, but at less than 5 percent of the teaching population and burdened by a top-heavy administration that were all political advancements and a union that was run by even less talented, ignorant, knuckle-dragging Troglodytes, there was not much that they could do.
Most of the really talented leave for private industry or to start their own businesses.

/Do I sound bitter?
//I do miss teaching. There is something life affirming about being able to instruct the younger generation.
 
2013-11-10 10:26:11 AM  

OneNightStand: Having worked as a teacher in both public and private schools, I have found that for the most part, the schools are populated with socially and culturally ignorant, mouth-breathing cretins who were barely competent in their supposed fields of expertise.


That's because Teachers are paid more like bricklayers and less like 'information workers' ... and while this might have been okay when they were all young ladies between menstruation and marriage, it's no way to pay people who should be though-leaders in our communities. Also, hanging out with kids cleaning their intellectual diapers doesn't do a lot for cultural development, if you know what I mean.

/treat teachers better
/automate guidance counselling
/ hire 'secretaries' from a school-wide temp pool.
 
2013-11-10 01:23:20 PM  
Public school is child abuse
 
2013-11-10 03:01:14 PM  

lillian27: ClintonKun:

Out of all the slice of life shows out there, its probably the best. Its closer in spirit to Monty Python than it is to K-on.

Word.  I was skeptical at first but I ended up LOVING Nichijou and wished there were more eps.  Great animation, weirdly pseudo-episodic, hilarious non-sequiturs, and absolutely no f*cks (or explanations) given.

I think I'll start watching them all again right now.


You know what? FINE.  I'll watch the damn thing, and then I shall post incessantly on my blog about its praises and/or its horrible failure, depending on if I like it or if I hate it.  NO MIDDLE GROUND

/doesn't have a blog
 
2013-11-10 03:03:13 PM  

Guy Who Doesnt Get The Joke: caught sayof? Hey failmitter, get a browser with spell check. Where are the Mods?


Write single to salute and wait for answer again.
 
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