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2013-11-09 09:39:29 AM
midlands, represent!
 
2013-11-09 09:52:23 AM
Apparently Midlands, but I don't quite see the link between this part of Canada and that part of the US.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-09 09:54:25 AM
Yes, give south Florida to Cuba. Reuinite those families.
 
2013-11-09 10:07:31 AM
Awww... But I hate the Yankees!
 
2013-11-09 10:08:21 AM
What a stupid farking article.  I've lived in 3 of those "nations" and you know what?  They're all pretty much the same.   You might spot a few differences here and there, but its all the same goddamned country basically especially when you consider how freely many of us move about it.  I've lived in 4 different states - 6 different metropolitan areas.  I won't even break down how many actual cities.

I've also been to all 11 of those "nations".  Some of them have unique qualities.  The weather varies more than the people, but we're all the same country.  I love how people make fun of Texas, Arizona and Florida, but do you realize that a whole lot of residents of those states weren't even born there?  When I lived in AZ, I never actually met a native.  I met people from California, Mexico, Idaho, Wyoming, but nobody who was actually born there.

People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.

And yet for the most part, most people were decent.  There are some really shiatty places in the US, but there are a lot of good people living in those shiatty places.  I don't really know why, but it's probably because they were born there and just couldn't figure out that they could move or maybe they didn't have the money to move.
 
2013-11-09 10:21:48 AM
So this puts Austin TX in Greater Appalachia, a small distance away from El Norte and the Deep South.
 
2013-11-09 10:43:24 AM
Where is Land of the Carpetbaggers?
 
2013-11-09 10:47:46 AM
This is a thinly disguised anti-gun screed.  What a maroon!

Chicago is in the low violent death area because of its good gun control.
Fort Worth is in the high violent death area because of lax gun laws and stand your ground.
Of course, no evidence to back any of this horseshiat up.
I guess Fort Worth should start doing like the low violence areas of Detroit, New York City, Philly, LA, Compton, Oakland, DC, etc.

/*snicker*
 
2013-11-09 11:21:02 AM
Greater Appalachia in da house!

/ now get out of my house, damn Yankee carpetbaggers
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-09 11:21:58 AM
It didn't take long for the redneck butthurt to show up did it?
 
2013-11-09 11:22:59 AM
I think my district makes trains and hovercars for the Capitol.
 
2013-11-09 11:29:04 AM
Far West Far West
 
2013-11-09 11:29:09 AM

gfid: People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.


I agree with everything else you say but this.  I saw plenty of racism when I lived in northwest Florida, both white-on-black and black-on-white.  One did not have to look far.

However, I've also lived in rural Michigan and have not seen a lick of racism, but I might attribute that to the lack of racial diversity in those areas.  I would imagine it to be different in the more urban areas.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-09 11:36:56 AM

Lor M. Ipsum: I agree with everything else you say but this.  I saw plenty of racism when I lived in northwest Florida, both white-on-black and black-on-white.  One did not have to look far.

However, I've also lived in rural Michigan and have not seen a lick of racism, but I might attribute that to the lack of racial diversity in those areas.  I would imagine it to be different in the more urban areas.


It's pretty common for people from the south to deny that they ever saw any racism there, but it's just pride.  I grew up in the South and there's no way you could live there and not hear racist things, pretty much daily.

Not that there isn't any any where else, but it's a part of the culture in the South.
 
2013-11-09 12:03:10 PM
I live in the great Chickasaw Nation........
 
2013-11-09 12:06:18 PM
Far West, although it is generally called Mountain West as it really doesn't fit in with the Eastern side of the West Coast states; there's a completely different mindset and culture there.
 
2013-11-09 12:29:11 PM
This idea was stupid when it was a book a couple of years ago, and it's stupid now.

I can only assume the author is Map Porn Redditor and/or D&D maphead, who is trying to apply their love of maps to reimagine the US. Because 'far fetched' doesn't begin to cover it.
 
2013-11-09 12:43:40 PM
Anyone got a version of the map that is actually legible?
/no I'm not old get off my lawn
 
2013-11-09 12:45:31 PM
Protectorate of the Outer Banks or the  Confederation of American States, depending on what year it is.
 
2013-11-09 12:47:00 PM
Thank god the white and red seas are shallow
 
2013-11-09 12:48:27 PM
I'm in the far west, but I've been in the midlands.  There wasn't a sign of the sprites I've heard about, or heart hounds, or Mud People.  All those books lied!

/book nerd
 
2013-11-09 12:49:06 PM
It was an interesting concept thirty years ago when Joel Garreau of the Post wrote Nine Nations. I don't see this adding anything new to the discussion.
 
2013-11-09 12:49:18 PM
The book is a good read.

Left coast, bordering El Norte and the Far West. The weather is lovely today.
 
2013-11-09 12:50:04 PM

gfid: What a stupid farking article.  I've lived in 3 of those "nations" and you know what?  They're all pretty much the same.   You might spot a few differences here and there, but its all the same goddamned country basically especially when you consider how freely many of us move about it.  I've lived in 4 different states - 6 different metropolitan areas.  I won't even break down how many actual cities.

I've also been to all 11 of those "nations".  Some of them have unique qualities.  The weather varies more than the people, but we're all the same country.  I love how people make fun of Texas, Arizona and Florida, but do you realize that a whole lot of residents of those states weren't even born there?  When I lived in AZ, I never actually met a native.  I met people from California, Mexico, Idaho, Wyoming, but nobody who was actually born there.

People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.

And yet for the most part, most people were decent.  There are some really shiatty places in the US, but there are a lot of good people living in those shiatty places.  I don't really know why, but it's probably because they were born there and just couldn't figure out that they could move or maybe they didn't have the money to move.


or the short version of the article: a map of how the author imagines the world to be
 
2013-11-09 12:51:43 PM
El Norte in the house. New Mexico isn't bad, I find the weather agreeable most of the time, and if you like geology I can't think of anywhere that has more variety than we do in this state.
 
2013-11-09 12:52:06 PM
I've lived in the Deep South my entire life.

I'd kind of like to try out Massechussets or Connecticut. But i don't like cold.

I'm tired of crushing poverty, and everybody having to make do as best they can.
 
2013-11-09 12:52:32 PM

basemetal: I live in the great Chickasaw Nation........


I'm in the Pawnee.
 
2013-11-09 12:53:19 PM

basemetal: I live in the great Chickasaw Nation........


Joe Strummer and I, we be Mescaleros.
 
2013-11-09 12:53:52 PM
Eet stront, farkers!  From New Netherlands.
 
2013-11-09 12:54:08 PM

buzzcut73: El Norte in the house. New Mexico isn't bad, I find the weather agreeable most of the time, and if you like geology I can't think of anywhere that has more variety than we do in this state.


Hey buzz, we were gonna get a beer when you finished that summer class..
 
2013-11-09 12:55:02 PM

costermonger: Apparently Midlands, but I don't quite see the link between this part of Canada and that part of the US.


Yeah the author apparently equates eastern Nebraska, eastern South and North Dakota, the Oklahoma pan-handle, and a large chunk of Iowa with places like Philadelphia, Baltimore, Toronto, St. Louis, Columbus. Seems like a pretty stupid generalization to me.
 
2013-11-09 12:55:45 PM
img708.imageshack.us
 
2013-11-09 12:56:19 PM
The Midlands: Stretching from Quaker territory west through Iowa and into more populated areas of the Midwest, the Midlands are "pluralistic and organized around the middle class." Government intrusion is unwelcome, and ethnic and ideological purity isn't a priority.

Uh...

/Lives in Ontario, where Government Intrusion into our lives is sort of welcomed if done by Premiere Dad.
 
2013-11-09 12:57:40 PM
I'm looking at that right, Dallas seems to be in  Greater Appalachia
 
2013-11-09 12:59:13 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: gfid: People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.

I agree with everything else you say but this.  I saw plenty of racism when I lived in northwest Florida, both white-on-black and black-on-white.  One did not have to look far.

However, I've also lived in rural Michigan and have not seen a lick of racism, but I might attribute that to the lack of racial diversity in those areas.  I would imagine it to be different in the more urban areas.


Anecdotal isn't a good measure. I worked industrial growing up, mostly poor laborers. Nearly all of our African-Americans were northern transplants, and to a wo/man they said racism was far worse in whatever northern area they'd come from than it was here. I live in Nashville; large mix of transplants, so not as much overt racism of any kind. Go 30 miles in any direction and it's vastly different.

My experiences in northern cities have been riddled with extremely nice people - until I mention I'm from the south (I have no accent); then the bigotry is palpable. I'm not saying the south is better; I'm white and I recommend you don't go anywhere in rural Appalachia, no matter your ethnicity. If you aren't local, the best you can hope for is to be treated like crap.
 
2013-11-09 12:59:28 PM
Greater Appalachia. Can't you hear the banjo music?
 
2013-11-09 12:59:58 PM
Far West.  Although I think the Canadian parts of that are far, far different from the US parts.
 
2013-11-09 01:00:52 PM
The derp south
 
2013-11-09 01:02:38 PM

insano: costermonger: Apparently Midlands, but I don't quite see the link between this part of Canada and that part of the US.

Yeah the author apparently equates eastern Nebraska, eastern South and North Dakota, the Oklahoma pan-handle, and a large chunk of Iowa with places like Philadelphia, Baltimore, Toronto, St. Louis, Columbus. Seems like a pretty stupid generalization to me.


The unifying theme of the Midlands region seems to be "places where people are pretty religious but aren't huge dicks about it most of the time."

Not sure how parts of Kansas fit in, but oh well.
 
2013-11-09 01:02:47 PM

costermonger: Apparently Midlands, but I don't quite see the link between this part of Canada and that part of the US.


Same goes here. Would seem I can relate with Minnesota/Wisconsin/ND more than Oklahoma, Pennsylvania or Maryland.

But I'm also right near the border with the far west and yankeedon apparently.
 
2013-11-09 01:02:51 PM
Went do we all have to send our tribute to the capital again?


/no one talks about what happened to the 12th American nation.
 
2013-11-09 01:04:08 PM
it would seem I'm in the deep south part of Texas
 
2013-11-09 01:04:29 PM
Same one as the last time this was green-lit.
 
2013-11-09 01:05:07 PM

Carousel Beast: Lor M. Ipsum: gfid:  I'm white and I recommend you don't go anywhere in rural Appalachia, no matter your ethnicity. If you aren't local, the best you can hope for is to be treated like crap.


Maybe it's you.
 
2013-11-09 01:05:07 PM

Mouren: Anyone got a version of the map that is actually legible?
/no I'm not old get off my lawn


4.bp.blogspot.com
If that still isn't big enough for you, here's the link
 
2013-11-09 01:05:10 PM
Southern Ontario is in the same region as the Oklahoma Panhandle.  Right.   I live in the former and visit the latter annually (shout out to the Okie-Tex StarParty!!) and the people and the culture in the two areas couldn't possibly be more different.

Probably a mistake to try to include Canada in the map.
 
2013-11-09 01:05:50 PM

darwinpolice: insano: costermonger: Apparently Midlands, but I don't quite see the link between this part of Canada and that part of the US.

Yeah the author apparently equates eastern Nebraska, eastern South and North Dakota, the Oklahoma pan-handle, and a large chunk of Iowa with places like Philadelphia, Baltimore, Toronto, St. Louis, Columbus. Seems like a pretty stupid generalization to me.

The unifying theme of the Midlands region seems to be "places where people are pretty religious but aren't huge dicks about it most of the time."

Not sure how parts of Kansas fit in, but oh well.


You would include Toronto, Philadelphia, Columbus and Baltimore as places where people are pretty religious?
 
2013-11-09 01:06:54 PM

gfid: What a stupid farking article.  I've lived in 3 of those "nations" and you know what?  They're all pretty much the same.   You might spot a few differences here and there, but its all the same goddamned country basically especially when you consider how freely many of us move about it. 
...
People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.



I lived in the 'deep south' region (Tampa Bay, Florida and the Florida Panhandle) for 15 years. I've been living in the upper New England for two years now. I've found that the Deep Southers are more open about their racism - one of my ex-husband's friends loudly exclaimed, "Hey, who let those n****** in here?" at a restaurant one evening. However, at least where I live in New England, racism is just as rampant, but not as loudly proclaimed. And yes, it goes both ways up here: whites to hispanics and hispanics to whites.
 
2013-11-09 01:06:59 PM
Thank you for recognizing that South Louisiana is very different from the rest of the Deep South.
 
2013-11-09 01:07:09 PM
Indianapolis and the areas to the north should be Midlands, not Appalachia. South of Indy, Gawd yes.
 
2013-11-09 01:07:39 PM

basemetal: I live in the great Chickasaw Nation........


what the hell is the deal with the Indian turnpike

worst road I ever paid to drive on. c'mon i69
 
2013-11-09 01:07:50 PM

tuna fingers: buzzcut73: El Norte in the house. New Mexico isn't bad, I find the weather agreeable most of the time, and if you like geology I can't think of anywhere that has more variety than we do in this state.

Hey buzz, we were gonna get a beer when you finished that summer class..


Oh yeah! Good news, it's over now. I moved across town right after it was over and it slipped my feeble mind.
My bad, I'll get in touch and work that out.
 
2013-11-09 01:07:52 PM

lantawa: Where is Land of the Carpetbaggers?


Chappaqua is in Southern NYS
 
2013-11-09 01:08:21 PM
Far West. All these designations are stupid; people of all types live everywhere. Everyone thinks that Montana is some kind of wild hillbillywood where everybody is poor and stupid and has a gun, but there's just as many people who moved here because they're tree-hugging liberals who love the outdoors and can afford to live here.
 
2013-11-09 01:09:09 PM
Hard to tell but it looks like Tidewater.
 
2013-11-09 01:09:58 PM

texdent: I'm looking at that right, Dallas seems to be in  Greater Appalachia


Houston in deep south, San Antonio in el Norte, which sort of explains the city personalities some
 
2013-11-09 01:10:57 PM

Krieghund: Mouren: Anyone got a version of the map that is actually legible?
/no I'm not old get off my lawn

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]
If that still isn't big enough for you, here's the link


reasons that map is bullshiat:
Fauquier county Virginia is in "Greater Appalachia" while Culpeper and Rappahannock counties are "Tidewater"
 
2013-11-09 01:11:46 PM
I spent my first half of childhood in New Netherland and the second half in Yankeedom.  Was born in the Deep South and have relatives in Tidewater and Midlands.  Grandfather was a rancher from the border of Left Coast and Far West.  Descriptions are spot on but the borders should be more of a gradient.
 
2013-11-09 01:12:04 PM

gfid: What a stupid farking article.  I've lived in 3 of those "nations" and you know what?  They're all pretty much the same.   You might spot a few differences here and there, but its all the same goddamned country basically especially when you consider how freely many of us move about it.  I've lived in 4 different states - 6 different metropolitan areas.  I won't even break down how many actual cities.

I've also been to all 11 of those "nations".  Some of them have unique qualities.  The weather varies more than the people, but we're all the same country.  I love how people make fun of Texas, Arizona and Florida, but do you realize that a whole lot of residents of those states weren't even born there?  When I lived in AZ, I never actually met a native.  I met people from California, Mexico, Idaho, Wyoming, but nobody who was actually born there.

People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.

And yet for the most part, most people were decent.  There are some really shiatty places in the US, but there are a lot of good people living in those shiatty places.  I don't really know why, but it's probably because they were born there and just couldn't figure out that they could move or maybe they didn't have the money to move.


Read the article from Tufts, it goes into more detail
 
2013-11-09 01:12:36 PM
Old news. Used to be the Nine Nations of North America. My region changed is name from Aztlán to El Norte. Big deal. It's still the center of the Universe and should encompas Baja, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Northern Mexico, Texas, and southern Colorado.

Texas is a variant of the Nahuatl based Aztlán. The best tranlation into English is "The Holy Land" which is why so many inhabitants are named Jesus.
 
2013-11-09 01:12:52 PM

red5ish: [img708.imageshack.us image 582x456]


[Russian professor's map of how the USA is likely to split up]
[Alaska will go to Russia]

Wow.  Couldn't see that coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57M79TyqeHA
 
2013-11-09 01:13:52 PM

Voiceofreason01: or the short version of the article: a map of how the author imagines the world to be


The author of TFA isn't the one who made the map. If you read the linked to article from Tufts you'll see there's more to it than some people think there is.
 
2013-11-09 01:14:32 PM

basemetal: I live in the great Chickasaw Nation........


I'm a Choctaw (Chata) living in the Creek (Muscogee) Nation.
 
2013-11-09 01:15:44 PM
But can we agree that the South indeed sucks and that we'd be better off if Tex-ass secedes?

// The rest of the nation's collective IQ would increase, and its BMI would decrease.  Win-win!
 
2013-11-09 01:16:12 PM

loonatic112358: basemetal: I live in the great Chickasaw Nation........

what the hell is the deal with the Indian turnpike

worst road I ever paid to drive on. c'mon i69


In Oklahoma our State tree is the orange and white traffic barrel.
 
2013-11-09 01:17:15 PM

buzzcut73: tuna fingers: buzzcut73: El Norte in the house. New Mexico isn't bad, I find the weather agreeable most of the time, and if you like geology I can't think of anywhere that has more variety than we do in this state.

Hey buzz, we were gonna get a beer when you finished that summer class..

Oh yeah! Good news, it's over now. I moved across town right after it was over and it slipped my feeble mind.
My bad, I'll get in touch and work that out.


What part of town?  I'm near Hastings - Farleys is within a long walk.
 
2013-11-09 01:17:24 PM

FlashHarry: midlands, represent!


AYE, lads!
 
2013-11-09 01:17:37 PM
The one where I'm surrounded by ignorant mouth-breathers.

Oh wait....
 
2013-11-09 01:21:19 PM

red5ish:


That ruskie professor that did the chart red5ish posted went full retard if he thinks TN,KY, the Carolinas, and the Virginias are gonna join the EU if the US as we know it collapsed. The former CSA would likely all be together in 1 country.
 
2013-11-09 01:24:23 PM

Oldiron_79: red5ish:

That ruskie professor that did the chart red5ish posted went full retard if he thinks TN,KY, the Carolinas, and the Virginias are gonna join the EU if the US as we know it collapsed. The former CSA would likely all be together in 1 country.


=============

Join the CSA!  BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Too many people in those states are now accustom to having teeth and indoor plumbing.
 
2013-11-09 01:25:17 PM

loonatic112358: texdent: I'm looking at that right, Dallas seems to be in  Greater Appalachia

Houston in deep south, San Antonio in el Norte, which sort of explains the city personalities some


Houston is like 40% Hispanic so I sure don't feel like I'm in the deep south. Also, a very large international population in general so basically this map is all retarded.
 
2013-11-09 01:25:57 PM
El Norte
 
2013-11-09 01:26:19 PM

gfid: What a stupid farking article.  I've lived in 3 of those "nations" and you know what?  They're all pretty much the same.   You might spot a few differences here and there, but its all the same goddamned country basically especially when you consider how freely many of us move about it.  I've lived in 4 different states - 6 different metropolitan areas.  I won't even break down how many actual cities.

I've also been to all 11 of those "nations".  Some of them have unique qualities.  The weather varies more than the people, but we're all the same country.  I love how people make fun of Texas, Arizona and Florida, but do you realize that a whole lot of residents of those states weren't even born there?  When I lived in AZ, I never actually met a native.  I met people from California, Mexico, Idaho, Wyoming, but nobody who was actually born there.


The article didn't do Woodward and his book justice. It isn't that the different parts of America are completely alien to each other, it's that there are differences between the regions and Woodward explains what those differences are and why they happened.

I think you overestimate how much people move around because you're in the class of people that do move around a lot. The majority of people still stay close to where they grew up. Not necessarily in the same town, but in the same region.

People also tend to be attracted to places that mirror their values. Arizona is a great example of this: there are whole cities of conservative old people that moved there from out of state. Yes, the weather is good, but they're also attracted by the low taxes and conservative values in local governance. So even the people coming from out of state perpetuate the cultural values of the area.
 
2013-11-09 01:28:01 PM
Pffft, I live in Berzerkistan. Yes, Berzerkistan, where Stan's the man, with the plan.
 
2013-11-09 01:28:15 PM
RIDER NATION!!!!!  WE ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!

www.salvationarmy.ca
 
2013-11-09 01:32:38 PM

tuna fingers: buzzcut73: tuna fingers: buzzcut73: El Norte in the house. New Mexico isn't bad, I find the weather agreeable most of the time, and if you like geology I can't think of anywhere that has more variety than we do in this state.

Hey buzz, we were gonna get a beer when you finished that summer class..

Oh yeah! Good news, it's over now. I moved across town right after it was over and it slipped my feeble mind.
My bad, I'll get in touch and work that out.

What part of town?  I'm near Hastings - Farleys is within a long walk.


Mesa Grande. Nothing is within even a long walking distance. Well, McDonald's is, but they don't serve beer.
Somebody needs to build a bar out this way.
 
2013-11-09 01:33:33 PM
www.city-data.com

/oblig
 
2013-11-09 01:33:42 PM

basemetal: I live in the great Chickasaw Nation........


Yeah, I was under the impression I lived in the Muscogee Creek Nation.

This map is dildos.
 
2013-11-09 01:36:07 PM
i.imgur.com

Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2013-11-09 01:36:51 PM

gfid: What a stupid farking article.  I've lived in 3 of those "nations" and you know what?  They're all pretty much the same.   You might spot a few differences here and there, but its all the same goddamned country basically especially when you consider how freely many of us move about it.  I've lived in 4 different states - 6 different metropolitan areas.  I won't even break down how many actual cities.

I've also been to all 11 of those "nations".  Some of them have unique qualities.  The weather varies more than the people, but we're all the same country.  I love how people make fun of Texas, Arizona and Florida, but do you realize that a whole lot of residents of those states weren't even born there?  When I lived in AZ, I never actually met a native.  I met people from California, Mexico, Idaho, Wyoming, but nobody who was actually born there.

People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.

And yet for the most part, most people were decent.  There are some really shiatty places in the US, but there are a lot of good people living in those shiatty places.  I don't really know why, but it's probably because they were born there and just couldn't figure out that they could move or maybe they didn't have the money to move.


It's all the same country if everywhere you live and everyone you work with is part of the migratory suburban middle class. That's no more than 20 percent of the population. Most people are what you'd consider poor, and most of them don't move from one part of the country to another. The working class culture in Brooklyn is MILES apart from that in Kingsport, Tennessee or Denver.
 
2013-11-09 01:37:33 PM

Trance354: I'm in the far west, but I've been in the midlands.  There wasn't a sign of the sprites I've heard about, or heart hounds, or Mud People.  All those books lied!

/book nerd


Master Rahl guide us. Master Rahl teach us. Master Rahl protect us. In your light we thrive. In your mercy we are sheltered. In your wisdom we are humbled. We live only to serve. Our lives are yours.
 
2013-11-09 01:37:46 PM
www.structural-communication.com
In some ways the Nine Nations of North America is better because:
1.  Pittsburgh is not Appalachia.  The culture is more akin to Detroit and Chicago than it is to Wheeling, WV (even though Pittsburghers will tell you that they're more like NYC than Chicago).
2.  In the 11 nations, they have slotted everything from Chicago to Maine in to "Yankeedom".  Chicago feels nothing like Maine or Boston.
3.  I'm not seeing the similarities between Texas and Appalachia.

In some ways the 11 is better because:
1.  Appalachia needs to be separated from the Deep South.  They were settled by different people and the slavery situation in both were very different (re: Appalachia hardly had any).  They remain different.
2.  Tidewater is a nice addition.  The East Coast from Savannah to Virginia are more similar than Savannah is to Montgomery or Hattiesburg.
3.  Louisiana really is different than the rest of the South.
 
2013-11-09 01:38:00 PM
The frontier of Yankeedom. If I get up on the top floor of the Qwest building downtown and look west, I can see the midlands.
The placement of my town in Yankeedom is fairly apt. It's the only city in the state included, and the rest of the state hates us for our influence because we act like a city and not some hick-ass small town like the rest of the state.
 
2013-11-09 01:39:20 PM
This seems somewhat lifted from "Albion's Seed."
 
2013-11-09 01:40:04 PM
A Manhattanite's view of the USA

strangemaps.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-09 01:42:20 PM

mbillips: gfid: What a stupid farking article.  I've lived in 3 of those "nations" and you know what?  They're all pretty much the same.   You might spot a few differences here and there, but its all the same goddamned country basically especially when you consider how freely many of us move about it.  I've lived in 4 different states - 6 different metropolitan areas.  I won't even break down how many actual cities.

I've also been to all 11 of those "nations".  Some of them have unique qualities.  The weather varies more than the people, but we're all the same country.  I love how people make fun of Texas, Arizona and Florida, but do you realize that a whole lot of residents of those states weren't even born there?  When I lived in AZ, I never actually met a native.  I met people from California, Mexico, Idaho, Wyoming, but nobody who was actually born there.

People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.

And yet for the most part, most people were decent.  There are some really shiatty places in the US, but there are a lot of good people living in those shiatty places.  I don't really know why, but it's probably because they were born there and just couldn't figure out that they could move or maybe they didn't have the money to move.

It's all the same country if everywhere you live and everyone you work with is part of the migratory suburban middle class. That's no more than 20 percent of the population. Most people are what you'd consider poor, and most of them don't move from one part of the country to another. The working class culture in Brooklyn is MILES apart from that in Kingsport, Tennessee or Denver.


I was going to say the same thing. I'm a born and bred NYer any time I travel I notice major regional differences in attitudes and tempermant. I mean, Manhattan is certainly one of the most transitory areas in the world, but I can still tell right away if someone is from NYC or somewhere else (no matter how much they argue that living in Midtown for 1 year qualifies them as an NYer). Yes, I think most people are decent. But there's different world views everywhere that are pretty easy to pick up on.
 
2013-11-09 01:42:53 PM

teto85: RIDER NATION!!!!!  WE ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!

[www.salvationarmy.ca image 512x432]


...and it all ends tomorrow.

/Lions for the win!
 
2013-11-09 01:43:18 PM
They forgot Deseret, Junktown, Deadwood, The Maze...

/obscure?
 
2013-11-09 01:44:03 PM
FTFA: Yankeedom: Founded by Puritans, [...] They value education and the common good more than other regions.

I call BS.

The Puritans were kicked out of England not because they were persecuted, they were kicked out BECAUSE they were persecuting dicks.

After they led the slaughter of the natives, they started killing white people they didn't like.
 
2013-11-09 01:45:10 PM

Fissile: A Manhattanite's view of the USA

[strangemaps.files.wordpress.com image 705x952]


I have that on my wall :-)

Manhattanites (particularly those not born in Manhattan) are some of the most provincial people in the world. But everyone knows it.
 
2013-11-09 01:45:25 PM

vpb: Lor M. Ipsum: I agree with everything else you say but this.  I saw plenty of racism when I lived in northwest Florida, both white-on-black and black-on-white.  One did not have to look far.

However, I've also lived in rural Michigan and have not seen a lick of racism, but I might attribute that to the lack of racial diversity in those areas.  I would imagine it to be different in the more urban areas.

It's pretty common for people from the south to deny that they ever saw any racism there, but it's just pride.  I grew up in the South and there's no way you could live there and not hear racist things, pretty much daily.

Not that there isn't any any where else, but it's a part of the culture in the South.


There is an old saying, "In the South, people don't mind negroes in their homes as long as they ain't uppity.  In the North, people don't mind negroes being uppity, as long as they stay out of their house."

I'm not sure if actual data will bear it out, but it does seem to reflect the respective cultures.  White people in the South dealt with blacks on a daily basis.  First as slaves, then as servants, but always in close proximity.  In the North, black people were largely an abstraction until after the Civil War, and it shows in the way a lot of northern cities are segregated into neighborhoods.

Different sides of the same turd I suppose.
 
2013-11-09 01:46:55 PM

lohphat: FTFA: Yankeedom: Founded by Puritans, [...] They value education and the common good more than other regions.

I call BS.

The Puritans were kicked out of England not because they were persecuted, they were kicked out BECAUSE they were persecuting dicks.

After they led the slaughter of the natives, they started killing white people they didn't like.


===============

Very true.  The Puritans left England because their dream of starting a Taliban-like theocracy was thwarted.
 
2013-11-09 01:47:08 PM
Rapmaster2000:
3.  Louisiana really is different than the rest of the South.

Yes. Yes, it is. As a ninth-generation New Orleanian, I explain it to people by saying New Orleans is more like the Carriean than it is like the rest of the American South. Some of my ancestors did come to NOLA from San Domingue and Martinique.
 
2013-11-09 01:49:25 PM
img.fark.net

This guy sees the same inevitability that Randall sees.
 
2013-11-09 01:49:47 PM
How the average European views America.

cynicalqueer.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-09 01:55:19 PM

crotchgrabber: The book is a good read.

Left coast, bordering El Norte and the Far West. The weather is lovely today.


*Looks down, waaaay down*  What's up fellow left coaster?  Wish I had your weather, looking like rain and wind, as usual, for another 5 months.
 
2013-11-09 01:57:12 PM

Krieghund: Mouren: Anyone got a version of the map that is actually legible?
/no I'm not old get off my lawn

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]
If that still isn't big enough for you, here's the link


The map is in error. The midlands in Washington actually start about 20 miles before the eastern king county border and are really only applicable to king county and the greater Seattle area. Outside of that you have a lot more overlap with the "midlands" and Alaska.
 
2013-11-09 01:59:16 PM

cuzsis: Krieghund: Mouren: Anyone got a version of the map that is actually legible?
/no I'm not old get off my lawn

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]
If that still isn't big enough for you, here's the link

The map is in error. The midlands in Washington actually start about 20 miles before the eastern king county border and are really only applicable to king county and the greater Seattle area. Outside of that you have a lot more overlap with the "midlands" and Alaska.


Argh. I mean "Far West". 

/haven't had my coffee yet.
 
2013-11-09 02:00:58 PM
I've lived in 5.  Currently, "Greater Appalachia" but only 2 counties from "Deep South".
 
2013-11-09 02:03:10 PM
New Hampshire doesn't belong in Yankeedom, give NH and Maine to New France.

unamused: Chicago is in the low violent death area because of its good gun control.


[lolwut.png]
Chicago has low violent deaths?

I do agree that the focus on gun control ruins what could otherwise be a good article.
 
2013-11-09 02:08:13 PM

loonatic112358: Indian turnpike


Well, basically it's because it takes you to Hugo.......
 
2013-11-09 02:14:43 PM

acad1228: loonatic112358: basemetal: I live in the great Chickasaw Nation........

what the hell is the deal with the Indian turnpike

worst road I ever paid to drive on. c'mon i69

In Oklahoma our State tree is the orange and white traffic barrel.


Damn if that isn't true.
 
2013-11-09 02:17:05 PM

devilskware: loonatic112358: texdent: I'm looking at that right, Dallas seems to be in  Greater Appalachia

Houston in deep south, San Antonio in el Norte, which sort of explains the city personalities some

Houston is like 40% Hispanic so I sure don't feel like I'm in the deep south. Also, a very large international population in general so basically this map is all retarded.


the original article explains the map

the map is mostly about the origins of the settlers of the region, and how they had an affect on the region's personality and methods in some things

wood for sheep
 
2013-11-09 02:20:28 PM
This one seems more accurate:

www-personal.umich.edu
 
2013-11-09 02:22:36 PM

teto85: RIDER NATION!!!!!  WE ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!

[www.salvationarmy.ca image 512x432]


I grew up in Alaska, did my undergraduate degree in Oregon, grad school in New York, got a job in Ontario, and now live in Saskatchewan.  I guess the map explains why Saskatchewan feels more like home than the other places where I've lived. Still, I agree with the farker upthread who said that Canada should not have been included.  Government intrusion is unwelcome in Ontario?  Saskatchewan (where the Canadian socialized medical system was born) is deeply distrustful of big institutions?
 
2013-11-09 02:22:58 PM

gfid: What a stupid farking article.  I've lived in 3 of those "nations" and you know what?  They're all pretty much the same.   You might spot a few differences here and there, but its all the same goddamned country basically especially when you consider how freely many of us move about it.  I've lived in 4 different states - 6 different metropolitan areas.  I won't even break down how many actual cities.

I've also been to all 11 of those "nations".  Some of them have unique qualities.  The weather varies more than the people, but we're all the same country.  I love how people make fun of Texas, Arizona and Florida, but do you realize that a whole lot of residents of those states weren't even born there?  When I lived in AZ, I never actually met a native.  I met people from California, Mexico, Idaho, Wyoming, but nobody who was actually born there.

People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.

And yet for the most part, most people were decent.  There are some really shiatty places in the US, but there are a lot of good people living in those shiatty places.  I don't really know why, but it's probably because they were born there and just couldn't figure out that they could move or maybe they didn't have the money to move.


This
 
2013-11-09 02:23:31 PM
GUYS GUYS GUYS

This is FARK, I mean COME ON

strangemaps.files.wordpress.com


Also, the TFA makes me want to play Civilization again
 
2013-11-09 02:25:08 PM

costermonger: Apparently Midlands, but I don't quite see the link between this part of Canada and that part of the US.


The midland part of Canada got a large influx of pacifists from the largely Quaker founded areas during the Revolutionary war. Maybe that is why Canadians are often perceived as being "nice".

The Appalachian mindset is rather opposite with people liking fighting and prone to fight over matters of "honor", producing such sons as Sen. John McCain who never met a war he didn't like. Not surprising is their large presence in the US armed forces.
 
2013-11-09 02:25:46 PM

blinkybluegnome: teto85: RIDER NATION!!!!!  WE ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!

[www.salvationarmy.ca image 512x432]

...and it all ends tomorrow.

/Lions for the win!


Nope.  Riders win this one, take a trip to Calgary and return home for one last win.
 
2013-11-09 02:28:16 PM

Slam1263: This one seems more accurate:

[www-personal.umich.edu image 850x573]


Maybe you should use the cartogram that sizes the counties by population, since people vote, not square miles.

www-personal.umich.edu

There's also a map that blends the red and blue by voting percentage
www-personal.umich.edu
 
2013-11-09 02:31:11 PM
Ohio is definitely wrong. Any map that puts greater Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati in Appalachia is objectively wrong. Appalachia, at least in Ohio, clearly begins within 20 miles of the line of glaciation.
 
2013-11-09 02:31:44 PM

Slam1263: This one seems more accurate:


The blue counties of the South are Meth infested hives of scum and vilany.
 
2013-11-09 02:36:04 PM

Fissile: Oldiron_79: red5ish:

That ruskie professor that did the chart red5ish posted went full retard if he thinks TN,KY, the Carolinas, and the Virginias are gonna join the EU if the US as we know it collapsed. The former CSA would likely all be together in 1 country.

=============

Join the CSA!  BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Too many people in those states are now accustom to having teeth and indoor plumbing.


Not necessaraly saying it would be called CSA and certainly wouldnt have slavery, but the states of former CSA would all unite into the same country if the US as we know it ended.
 
2013-11-09 02:40:43 PM
More map fun. Cartogram of the world's population
www.esri.com

This is also a "fun fact", although it suffers severe distortion because of the projection they chose to use (Mollweide projection, if you're curious)
2.bp.blogspot.com
All methods of projections of a sphere (Earth) onto a 2D surface will suffer some sort of distortion, you just need to pick the map that has the least distortion for the purpose you're using it for.


And the relevant clip from the West Wing ("you're freaking me out")
 
2013-11-09 02:48:26 PM

buzzcut73: Norte


violentsalvation: Norte


Am I the oly one who found the bolded part funny?

El Norte: Southwest Texas and the border region is the oldest, and most linguistically different, nation in the Americas. Hard work and self-sufficiency are prized values.

Really? Really???? What planet do these people live in??

/Not only El Norte but an actual Norteno.
 
2013-11-09 02:51:48 PM

StopLurkListen: Maybe you should use the cartogram that sizes the counties by population, since people vote, not square miles.

[www-personal.umich.edu image 850x585]

There's also a map that blends the red and blue by voting percentage
[www-personal.umich.edu image 850x584]


www.biography.com

I see a beautiful bird rising into the sunlit sky, wings outspread, singing a beautiful song of life, covered with the blood of its victims and trailing ribbons of torn flesh.
 
2013-11-09 02:56:54 PM
The cultural gulf between Appalachia and Yankeedom, Deep South and New Netherland is simply too large. But it's conceivable that some new alliance could form to tip the balance.

Alliances between radically-different groups are typically formed in response to a shared threat.

25.media.tumblr.com
"Say, that gives me an idea."
 
2013-11-09 03:01:01 PM
Typical Americans think they can divide up Canada and Mexico.
Leave our countries out of this. We don't belong to you.
 
2013-11-09 03:18:16 PM
I doubt that Bostonians and Buffalonians think they live in "Yankeedom" or San Franciscans regard their home as "The Left Coast".

But here in the "Deep South", people do refer to this region as the "Deep South".

So one of the labels isn't particularly derogatory, anyway...
 
2013-11-09 03:22:56 PM

lohphat: The Puritans were kicked out of England not because they were persecuted, they were kicked out BECAUSE they were persecuting dicks.


If you read what the original article says, it's a bit different. Also the Puritans weren't the frigid kill joys people think they were.
 
2013-11-09 03:33:37 PM

teto85: RIDER NATION!!!!!  WE ARE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!

[www.salvationarmy.ca image 512x432]


I'll be cheering hard for you guys on Sunday.  But mostly so that you can lose on the last play of the Western Final and watch my Stamps take over your home dressing room.

/Saskatchewan Roughriders- finding new creative and unique ways to break the hearts of their fans since 1910
 
2013-11-09 03:34:43 PM

red5ish: [img708.imageshack.us image 582x456]


I've been informed that any notions about Vermont and New Hampshire doing the same thing is a serious oil-water situation, just out of plain old ornery contrariness.
 
2013-11-09 03:39:59 PM

TopoGigo: Ohio is definitely wrong. Any map that puts greater Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati in Appalachia is objectively wrong. Appalachia, at least in Ohio, clearly begins within 20 miles of the line of glaciation.


Northeast Ohio is bang-on correct.  In a lot of ways the culture there is more Yankee than parts of Western Massachusetts or upstate New York.
 
2013-11-09 03:58:17 PM
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-11-09 04:07:39 PM
Um, I don't know how they're justifying extending 'yankeedom' that far into New Brunswick, but that's a whole-cloth fabrication.
 
2013-11-09 04:21:14 PM
Putting the rural midwest in the same 'nation' as the Rust Belt is foolish. Hell, there are so many ethnic enclaves in Wisconsin and Minnesota that you could draw pretty much any lines you feel like. There's a reason why there are so many of these maps- they're all arbitrary. Let's just cut to the chase by drawing a map that has a circle around your home town and the rest of the map is labeled "WEIRDOS".
 
2013-11-09 04:25:27 PM
cdn.obsidianportal.com
 
2013-11-09 04:26:18 PM
img.4plebs.org
 
2013-11-09 04:32:34 PM
From the looks of it, someone from the Washington Post wrote an article summarizing another person's magazine article.

At first I though I lived in Yankeedom but upon closer inspection, I actually live in New Netherland.
 
2013-11-09 04:37:20 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I think my district makes trains and hovercars for the Capitol.


So do I get to blame you for how much Metro sucks?

\At least the 1000 series cars should be going away soon.
 
2013-11-09 04:57:27 PM

MooseUpNorth: Um, I don't know how they're justifying extending 'yankeedom' that far into New Brunswick, but that's a whole-cloth fabrication.


Not sure how I"m stuck with some yahoos from North Dakota AND Texas.
 
2013-11-09 04:57:48 PM

gfid: What a stupid farking article.  I've lived in 3 of those "nations" and you know what?  They're all pretty much the same.   You might spot a few differences here and there, but its all the same goddamned country basically especially when you consider how freely many of us move about it.  I've lived in 4 different states - 6 different metropolitan areas.  I won't even break down how many actual cities.

I've also been to all 11 of those "nations".  Some of them have unique qualities.  The weather varies more than the people, but we're all the same country.  I love how people make fun of Texas, Arizona and Florida, but do you realize that a whole lot of residents of those states weren't even born there?  When I lived in AZ, I never actually met a native.  I met people from California, Mexico, Idaho, Wyoming, but nobody who was actually born there.

People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.

And yet for the most part, most people were decent.  There are some really shiatty places in the US, but there are a lot of good people living in those shiatty places.  I don't really know why, but it's probably because they were born there and just couldn't figure out that they could move or maybe they didn't have the money to move.


I've had a very different experience, Aside from travelling the world, and seeing totally different cultures, I've found the way of life to be very different from Oklahoma to NYC, and even different between NYC and DC (DC had way more violence, so NYC was pretty awesome for me). That said, even here within what the map terms "Far West," there are pretty big differences between even Colorado our neighbors in Utah and Wyoming... from acceptability of racism and homophobia, to the acceptance of marijuana and even alcohol, the "Far West" if far from monolithic in terms of relgious foothold, belief in science, cultural stigmas, and even food preferences.

As for the racist part, Oklahoma was far and away the worst experience I've ever had, though I saw some in FL, the part of Oklahoma I lived in (Stillwater) still had a very active KKK chapter even when I left there in the early 2000s.
 
2013-11-09 05:05:14 PM
laughingsquid.com
cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-11-09 05:14:58 PM

Fissile: A Manhattanite's view of the USA

[strangemaps.files.wordpress.com image 705x952]


Then there's this:

San Francisco Bay Area as seen by New Yorkers

laughingsquid.com
 
2013-11-09 05:31:50 PM
Currently, I live in the Deep South; previously, I've lived in the northern Caribbean (south Florida) and Yankeedom (Pennsylvania).
 
2013-11-09 05:39:43 PM
As someone who read this book a frickin' year ago at least, if not two....
www.oldmillinn.net

And I'm from Yankeedom, though I also agree with the idea that NH is an extension of Greater Appalachia.
 
2013-11-09 05:43:20 PM
StopLurkListen:

There's also a map that blends the red and blue by voting percentage
[www-personal.umich.edu image 850x584]



Wow, look at how much that one makes Utah stand out... how embarrassing.
 
2013-11-09 05:48:40 PM
Winnipeg and southern Manitoba, is divided into Midlads and Far West. Neither detention makes any sence. Distrustful of big government and fiercely libertarian are not ways to describe the Provence/state with the currently longest serving socialist style government in North America. (NDP)

Here, I'm going to walk across the street and keep posting to prove my point ...

It's a conspiracy by big science! Study it out friends!
 
2013-11-09 05:49:28 PM

lohphat: Fissile: A Manhattanite's view of the USA

[strangemaps.files.wordpress.com image 705x952]

Then there's this:

San Francisco Bay Area as seen by New Yorkers

[laughingsquid.com image 640x589]


How about Paris as seen by New Yorkers:

www.zap-actu.fr
 
2013-11-09 06:02:55 PM
The Left Coast, but frankly, the Olympic Peninsula outside of Port Townsend is rather right-wing.

They might have voted in Obama in 2008, but not last year. And the Tea Party dipshiats are in full force, working to protect the interests of the failing lumber industry out here.

So, I don't know how you'd categorize it. Seattle is pretty left coast, though. Except for the corporate tyranny.
 
2013-11-09 06:09:03 PM
i220.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-09 06:38:10 PM

StopLurkListen: GUYS GUYS GUYS

This is FARK, I mean COME ON

[strangemaps.files.wordpress.com image 850x475]


Also, the TFA makes me want to play Civilization again


WOW.  That is a horrible map.  On so many levels.


strangemaps.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-09 06:40:15 PM

vpb: It's pretty common for people from the south to deny that they ever saw any racism there, but it's just pride.  I grew up in the South and there's no way you could live there and not hear racist things, pretty much daily.


I've spent most of my life here and I don't hear it.  Maybe your town just sucked?
 
2013-11-09 06:42:15 PM

vpb: It's pretty common for people from the south to deny that they ever saw any racism there, but it's just pride.  I grew up in the South and there's no way you could live there and not hear racist things, pretty much daily.


I've lived here for two whole years after relocating from Pennsylvania, so pride has nothing to do with it.

If you were hearing racist things pretty much daily, the people you surrounded yourself with pretty much must have been horrible people.
 
2013-11-09 07:11:49 PM

Fissile: Oldiron_79: red5ish:

That ruskie professor that did the chart red5ish posted went full retard if he thinks TN,KY, the Carolinas, and the Virginias are gonna join the EU if the US as we know it collapsed. The former CSA would likely all be together in 1 country.

=============

Join the CSA!  BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Too many people in those states are now accustom to having teeth and indoor plumbing.


We also own most of the guns...


/Representing Tidewater
//Chris Brown is the shame of Tidewater
 
2013-11-09 07:12:09 PM
I love the whole "south florida goes to cuba cause haha cuband live dere" thing that always pops up on these cute little reimaginings of borders. Cause, you know, there's no white people in Miami, or Broward, certainly not in West Palm. Ignore rich white areas like Boca, you can't even reach there trying to go through all the dirty minorities that live here (and obviously they all came here cause they looooved their old countries).
 
2013-11-09 07:25:02 PM
Well, I'll have to disagree with those people claiming there's no difference between the "nations".

I've lived in Greater Appalachia (WV), Tidewater (NC and VA), Deep South (NC, SC, and GA, The Midlands (MD and OH), and now I'm back in Greater Appalachia (NC). Also, I almost moved to New France (LA). I backed out of that job just before Katrina hit, though.

Just by itself, North Carolina is a good example of three of those regions. There's a lot of "bleed-over" around the borders, but the Tidewater is very different from Greater Appalachia, and the Deep South section of NC is very different from both. Western NC and western VA have more in common with each other than they do with the eastern halves of their own states, and southeastern NC has more in common with SC and GA than it does with the rest of NC.

I think those who don't see the difference are just seeing the cities. All of the major cities could almost be considered their own nation, as their attitudes are often closer to those of other cities than they are to the country just a few miles away, Asheville, NC (though a smaller city than most) has little in common with towns just one county over, and Atlanta, GA has much the same issue with its own surrounding counties. The difference is less pronounced in the Tidewater and Midlands, as there is more "city" than there is "country". It's MORE pronounced in the Deep South, as the "city" and the "country" often have extreme differences in their ideologies.
 
2013-11-09 07:29:45 PM

emonk: I doubt that Bostonians and Buffalonians think they live in "Yankeedom" or San Franciscans regard their home as "The Left Coast".

But here in the "Deep South", people do refer to this region as the "Deep South".

So one of the labels isn't particularly derogatory, anyway...


And, contrary to a popular belief, being born in the SouthLand does not automatically make one a Southerner. After  all, if the cat crawled into the oven and gave birth you would not call them "biscuits".

This is true about The South
 
2013-11-09 07:46:35 PM

gfid: What a stupid farking article.  I've lived in 3 of those "nations" and you know what?  They're all pretty much the same.   You might spot a few differences here and there, but its all the same goddamned country basically especially when you consider how freely many of us move about it.  I've lived in 4 different states - 6 different metropolitan areas.  I won't even break down how many actual cities.

I've also been to all 11 of those "nations".  Some of them have unique qualities.  The weather varies more than the people, but we're all the same country.  I love how people make fun of Texas, Arizona and Florida, but do you realize that a whole lot of residents of those states weren't even born there?  When I lived in AZ, I never actually met a native.  I met people from California, Mexico, Idaho, Wyoming, but nobody who was actually born there.

People say the South is racist, but I never saw racism until I lived in a Northern state and then it was both black on white and white on black racism.

And yet for the most part, most people were decent.  There are some really shiatty places in the US, but there are a lot of good people living in those shiatty places.  I don't really know why, but it's probably because they were born there and just couldn't figure out that they could move or maybe they didn't have the money to move.


How long did you stay? I thought NV was great for years. Then I started getting to know people very well.

/Left coast and Far West are  not the same
//Specifically, the libertarian bent annoys the hell out of me
///No, Grandma, you cannot tell if you get subsidies under Obamacare or not unless you go to the website.
 
2013-11-09 07:57:30 PM

Parthenogenetic: [i.imgur.com image 850x633]

Fark, I am disappoint.


Figured Weaver would have it covered Chummer.
 
2013-11-09 08:12:08 PM
lohphat:   A Manhattanite's view of the USA

[strangemaps.files.wordpress.com image 705x952]

Then there's this:

San Francisco Bay Area as seen by New Yorkers



I'm not a New Yorker (visited it numerous times), but that map seems to make sense to me as someone who lived for years in SF.

Even the New York term "bridge and tunnel folks" is used in SF - a term for East Bay people.
 
2013-11-09 08:12:19 PM

Lee451: Fissile: Oldiron_79: red5ish:

That ruskie professor that did the chart red5ish posted went full retard if he thinks TN,KY, the Carolinas, and the Virginias are gonna join the EU if the US as we know it collapsed. The former CSA would likely all be together in 1 country.

=============

Join the CSA!  BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Too many people in those states are now accustom to having teeth and indoor plumbing.

We also own most of the guns...


/Representing Tidewater
//Chris Brown is the shame of Tidewater


==============

You morons didn't learn you lesson from last time.

www.sonofthesouth.net

/Only a punk woofs.
 
2013-11-09 08:31:18 PM

tuna fingers: buzzcut73: tuna fingers: buzzcut73: El Norte in the house. New Mexico isn't bad, I find the weather agreeable most of the time, and if you like geology I can't think of anywhere that has more variety than we do in this state.

Hey buzz, we were gonna get a beer when you finished that summer class..

Oh yeah! Good news, it's over now. I moved across town right after it was over and it slipped my feeble mind.
My bad, I'll get in touch and work that out.

What part of town?  I'm near Hastings - Farleys is within a long walk.


Great Caesar's Ghost! There are other Farkers in Las Cruces?
I'd be happy to give you a ride to Farley's if you need one. EIP.
 
2013-11-09 08:49:11 PM

Fissile: Lee451: Fissile: Oldiron_79: red5ish:

That ruskie professor that did the chart red5ish posted went full retard if he thinks TN,KY, the Carolinas, and the Virginias are gonna join the EU if the US as we know it collapsed. The former CSA would likely all be together in 1 country.

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Join the CSA!  BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  Too many people in those states are now accustom to having teeth and indoor plumbing.

We also own most of the guns...


/Representing Tidewater
//Chris Brown is the shame of Tidewater

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You morons didn't learn you lesson from last time.

[www.sonofthesouth.net image 435x581]

/Only a punk woofs.


Is the hand in vest pose the 19th century version of duck lips?
 
2013-11-09 09:00:31 PM

Yoyo: tuna fingers: buzzcut73: tuna fingers: buzzcut73: El Norte in the house. New Mexico isn't bad, I find the weather agreeable most of the time, and if you like geology I can't think of anywhere that has more variety than we do in this state.

Hey buzz, we were gonna get a beer when you finished that summer class..

Oh yeah! Good news, it's over now. I moved across town right after it was over and it slipped my feeble mind.
My bad, I'll get in touch and work that out.

What part of town?  I'm near Hastings - Farleys is within a long walk.

Great Caesar's Ghost! There are other Farkers in Las Cruces?
I'd be happy to give you a ride to Farley's if you need one. EIP.


There's actually 4 (including a Farkette we unearthed in a thread like this a few months ago).  Let's do this!
EIP
 
2013-11-09 09:07:48 PM

ChicagoKev: New Hampshire doesn't belong in Yankeedom, give NH and Maine to New France.

unamused: Chicago is in the low violent death area because of its good gun control.

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Chicago has low violent deaths?

I do agree that the focus on gun control ruins what could otherwise be a good article.


facetious snark
 
2013-11-09 09:18:34 PM
I want to live in Dough-Nation.
 
rka
2013-11-09 09:50:52 PM
People are doing a disservice to the book that this map is drawn from by solely going off of the blurb in the newspaper article.
 
2013-11-09 10:32:10 PM
You know there are more American nations than the USA, right?  No.  You are dumb.  You are so very dumb.  You are really dumb.
 
2013-11-09 10:41:13 PM

W. T. Fark: So this puts Austin TX in Greater Appalachia, a small distance away from El Norte and the Deep South.


I was having trouble making that out.  I'm in Williamson County on the Travis line and appear to be in Deep South.
 
2013-11-09 11:42:30 PM
www.revolution-show.com
 
2013-11-10 12:29:28 AM
Chicago is now considered Yankeedom?  This will come as a (likely unwelcome) revelation to the family I have from New England.
 
2013-11-10 12:30:03 AM

red5ish: [img708.imageshack.us image 582x456]


this is just mentally deranged.
 
2013-11-10 03:51:39 AM
I lie about 30 miles just east of far west, and as far as his line goes, is spot on in my case.

All of my neighbors are farking retarded.
 
2013-11-10 03:55:32 AM

You Cant Explain That: I lie about 30 miles just east of far west, and as far as his line goes, is spot on in my case.

All of my neighbors are farking retarded.


ok, thats a shiatty sentence...whatever it's late and I'm half drunk.

At least I didn't rock a Herman Cain AND a Michelle Bachmann sticker at different times during the last election. The guy owning property next to mine did.
 
2013-11-10 11:01:44 AM
The Shadowrun map has a bigger chance than this article's map.

// any map having ND and MN in the same future country is suspect
 
2013-11-10 12:26:33 PM
www.lukecole.com
 
2013-11-10 01:08:39 PM
Yes; Los Angeles is the same as Texas.  Because most humans in these places are omnivorous bipeds.  Also, almost no Zoroastrians.
 
2013-11-10 02:52:10 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-11-10 02:54:02 PM

George Babbitt: [img.fark.net image 850x370]


Of course, places with a higher population density are going to have a higher percentage of these households.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2013/11/09/washington-a-world -a part/?hpid=z4
 
2013-11-10 03:21:28 PM

George Babbitt: George Babbitt: [img.fark.net image 850x370]

Of course, places with a higher population density are going to have a higher percentage of these households.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2013/11/09/washington-a-world -a part/?hpid=z4



No, that's not how percentages work.  Back to sixth grade with you.
 
2013-11-10 03:31:44 PM

noitsnot: George Babbitt: George Babbitt: [img.fark.net image 850x370]

Of course, places with a higher population density are going to have a higher percentage of these households.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2013/11/09/washington-a-world -a part/?hpid=z4


No, that's not how percentages work.  Back to sixth grade with you.


High density population centers by definition must have higher income earners to pay for the higher property value locations and also have more higher educated persons who do not require space to perform in their respective jobs that merely require the pushing around of immaterial numbers and ideas. Both of those things are found in higher concentration in higher population density centers by default.
 
2013-11-10 04:32:03 PM

George Babbitt: noitsnot: George Babbitt: George Babbitt: [img.fark.net image 850x370]

Of course, places with a higher population density are going to have a higher percentage of these households.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2013/11/09/washington-a-world -a part/?hpid=z4


No, that's not how percentages work.  Back to sixth grade with you.

High density population centers by definition must have higher income earners to pay for the higher property value locations and also have more higher educated persons who do not require space to perform in their respective jobs that merely require the pushing around of immaterial numbers and ideas. Both of those things are found in higher concentration in higher population density centers by default.


Much better, that makes sense, although I wonder if that is true in India or China, where there are large urban poor populations.
 
2013-11-10 04:36:24 PM

noitsnot: George Babbitt: noitsnot: George Babbitt: George Babbitt: [img.fark.net image 850x370]

Of course, places with a higher population density are going to have a higher percentage of these households.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2013/11/09/washington-a-world -a part/?hpid=z4


No, that's not how percentages work.  Back to sixth grade with you.

High density population centers by definition must have higher income earners to pay for the higher property value locations and also have more higher educated persons who do not require space to perform in their respective jobs that merely require the pushing around of immaterial numbers and ideas. Both of those things are found in higher concentration in higher population density centers by default.

Much better, that makes sense, although I wonder if that is true in India or China, where there are large urban poor populations.



HOWEVER - we're both posting in the wrong thread.  Duh.   Serves me right.
 
2013-11-10 04:39:29 PM
The whole idea of "Super Zip" is stupid, and I say this despite (because) I live in one.

Just one reason ranking zip codes based on "median household income" is pointless if that he doesn't account for cost of living -- people who live here are college educated and make high incomes because if you don't have a high income, you can't afford to live here, and it's easier to make more money with a college education.   If you spend all your money on housing and taxes, how is your zip code "super"?

Also, an urban zip code covers a much smaller area than more rural zip codes, In an urban setting like Chicago, the poorest areas are almost certainly in separate zip code, so it is easy to classify just the rich parts of Chicago as "super zips" because the poor parts are a different zip code.   Look in more rural areas and zip codes cover more square miles and a greater mix of people, so inherently there are fewer "super zips" where the population density is lower and each zip code covers a larger, more diverse area.
 
2013-11-10 04:53:15 PM

noitsnot: HOWEVER - we're both posting in the wrong thread. Duh. Serves me right.


I was bringing that map here from the later thread as it seemed relevant.
 
2013-11-10 04:55:06 PM

ChicagoKev: is pointless if that he doesn't account for cost of living


There is a point where cost of living is an artificially inflated value because of the manufactured necessities that persons with huge amounts of disposable income invent for themselves.
 
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