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(WTKR)   Will the anti-wolf defenses work? Who will fall down the stairs? It's the christening of the aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford. LGT 11am ET livestream and 'Damn that's big' photos   (wtkr.com ) divider line
    More: Spiffy, President Gerald Ford, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, navies, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, President Gerald R. Ford, Jonathan Greenert  
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2013-11-09 12:19:15 PM  
4 votes:

clkeagle: Wow, good thing. I couldn't sleep at night, just knowing we didn't have enough aircraft carriers to provide for the defense of this country.

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Not to nit pick but your cute little Chart is out fo date and inaccurate.


Of the 12 US carriers shown 3 are no longer in service-USS Kitty Hawk, USS  JFK and USS Enterprise.



It shows 12 American Amphibious Assaults Ships as aircraft carriers.  Of those all the  LHAs USS Tarawa, USS NAssau and USS Saipan are out of service



Yes he remaining  LHAs/LHDs can  carry AV-8 Harriers but let us  consider a few things. The Harrier is no longer in productions and may not last out the decade. . The USMC only has about 130 Harriers so even if they were all deployable along withe all the amphibs that would make only 14 Harriers per ship.

If many have their way and the F-35 is canceled that means no replacements for the Harriers and those 12 Amphibs are nothing more than Helicopter carriers in terms of air power as many fo the socalled foreign aircraft carriers on your cute little chart.



Now let look at the remaining  US carriers status: Two of those are unavailable for  3 to 3.5 years as they are undergoing a refueling and overhaul.  Two of the  LHDs are also unavailable for 9-18 months for overhaul.



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So allow me to fix your cute little chart.

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2013-11-09 11:19:15 AM  
3 votes:
Waste of money /dwindling defense resources. Nimitz still exceeds anything any future enemy has will have fro a long time. We could even afford and should downgrade to a smaller size to something along there Forestall or even the UK's Queen Elizabeth class and still out class everything else and meet our needs.

Old ship need to be replaced and yes we need to expand our navy but this is not the way to do it.


The Ford is a nice to have but unrealistic want in the face of a more pressing National Security issue-the National Debt.
2013-11-09 11:08:47 AM  
2 votes:
I watched my first ship, USS Horne, come out of dry dock in '82, it's a site to see.  May this ship never be used in war and may it's crew always have fair winds following seas.
2013-11-09 10:55:56 AM  
2 votes:
check check check, testing one too

my tax dollars at work
2013-11-09 02:12:09 PM  
1 vote:
The company I'm working for produces the aircraft launching and recovery systems for the ship, called EMALS (Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System) and AAG (Advanced Arresting Gear). My department produces the training for the sailors on these systems.

In the older carriers the planes were launched with steam catapults, which worked like a can of shaken soda. Pop the top and all the steam comes out at once, kicking the shuttle (the part the plane is attached to) down the deck and launching the plane... very hard on airframes and pilots, and unchanged since the 1950's.

EMALS uses tech from MAGLEV trains and "Superman: the Ride" to move the shuttle and the plane down the deck from a standing start smoothly and quickly without jerking the pilot's eyeballs loose, and can be set for any weight plane - including predator drones and other UAV's, which the steam catapult would have ripped to shreds. Electricity moving through coils pushes a steel shuttle down the track, adjusting it's speed over 100 times a second until the plane leaves the deck, all computer controlled. Just put in the exact weight of the plane, check the system, clear the deck, and press a button.

AAG is just as amazing... instead of huge cylinders filled with hydraulic fluid attached to the cables that the plane catches with it's tailhook when landing, the cables are attached to what is basically a shock absorber system and paddle wheel (called a "water twister") that uses nothing but water to take the load. Again, the advantage is that the exact weight of the incoming aircraft can simply be put into the computer with the click of a mouse and the whole system adjusts automatically. Easier on components, easier on planes, easier on pilots.

All this will save taxpayer billions in the long haul when aircraft don't have to be put out of service because their airframes are trashed, and since the system overall has many fewer moving parts, maintenance costs and the number of sailors needed will be cut drastically.

It's amazing to see this stuff work. I like my job.
2013-11-09 11:56:54 AM  
1 vote:
Big,  expensive  .... not paid for.


And unlike the Forrestal,  it doesn't even have an escalator.    Pffft...
2013-11-09 11:55:24 AM  
1 vote:

BravadoGT: Before you start thinking these things are juggernauts--remember, we don't even know whether we can defend them against China's "carrier-killers"...

And one day--we may have to.


China, like many countries far less technologically capable than China, can send a nuclear weapon on a rocket into space and have it land on a specific  part of an aircraft carrier.

Show me a circumstance in which China would feel free to blow up a US aircraft carrier with a conventional missile but not a nuclear one, and I'll show you a spec draft for the latest Tom Clancy-branded novel. It'd go something like this.

With President Stern Lanternjaw hospitalized while receiving treatment for the Super-AIDS virus that the Russo-Japanese alliance had infected him with, Acting President Snidely von Liberal was sitting in the Oval Office when the COMSECDEFFLTPAC brought him news that the Chinese People's Army Navy had destroyed the  USS Nimitz with a carrier-killer missile.

"Mr. 'President,'" the COMSECDEFFLTPAC spat, hating the taste of the word in his mouth, "this is an act of naked aggression. It is war, sir, and we must retaliate with all we have, immediately."

"But, but... a carrier-killer uses conventional explosives!" von Liberal wailed, as tears ran down his blubbery face. "We've drawn a line around use of WMDs, but we never said they couldn't blow up our ships with regular weapons! If we retaliate, I'll be humiliated at U.N. cocktail parties!"


But even then, it's not fear of starting a war with the US that keeps China from aiming them at us. It's the fact that China has about as much to gain from attacking the US as you do from setting your car on fire, while it's in your garage.
2013-11-09 11:48:25 AM  
1 vote:

cptjeff: itsaidwhat: You'd think the "goal" would be less explosions, fireballs, death, destruction and general mayhem on deck during landings. But what do I know about programming software.

They've already got that down pretty low, so now they're going for less wear and tear. The launch and recovery system on that ship is also built to accommodate drones- right now, the steam catapults on our other carriers would tear them apart, but the electromagnetic ones can be programmed to however much force you need. And the software controlled arresting gear is kinda important for drones as well.


It's a substantial upgrade on the Nimitz class, and better configured to modern warfare. This thing is planned to stay in service for about 60 years, they need to plan ahead. Can't keep building Nimitzes. Also, aircraft carriers are about projecting power, which is why we have so many. A US Aircraft carrier parked near the South China Sea ensures that the various parties in the South China Sea don't start lobbing missiles at each other. Which would probably have already happened if the US wasn't there.

The world cop bit gets a bad rap because we've used it as an excuse to invade small nations on a few occasions. But somebody has to walk the beat, and right now it's us. It would be great if international tensions didn't exist and we all got along. Someday, we may be there. The overall trend of World History makes me think that we will. But just like in policing, you need to be there if anything starts going wrong, and people need to know you're there if things start going wrong. Should it just be the US? Hell no. Other nations need to chip in, and that's been a long term effort in US Diplomacy, and it's paying off. Several European nations are ramping up their military spending so they can help out. Japan is taking on additional responsibilities for that region. Which might be a bit of a fox guarding the henhouse deal considering their interests in the region, but we trust them. But it ...


trolling?
2013-11-09 11:41:19 AM  
1 vote:

ZAZ: BolshyGreatYarblocks

Ford saw combat on a carrier, so he got a carrier. Carter served on a sub, so he got a sub. FDR was assistant secretary of the Navy, so he got an assistant surface vessel.

Actually CV-42 was named after FDR.  It was decommissioned. Get over it.


So on which carrier did St. Ronald serve?
2013-11-09 11:38:23 AM  
1 vote:
Yeah, what we really needed was another carrier

/4 years as a nuke on the Lincoln
2013-11-09 11:36:56 AM  
1 vote:
The stumblestairs are the best feature of the Gerald R. Ford.

/We have secretly made one step an inch higher than the rest. Let's see if anyone notices the difference.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-09 11:36:04 AM  
1 vote:
BolshyGreatYarblocks

Ford saw combat on a carrier, so he got a carrier. Carter served on a sub, so he got a sub. FDR was assistant secretary of the Navy, so he got an assistant surface vessel.

Actually CV-42 was named after FDR.  It was decommissioned. Get over it.
2013-11-09 11:16:23 AM  
1 vote:

BravadoGT: Fuggin Bizzy: sefert: What does LGT stand for?  Lesbian, Gay, Transsexual?  Is this another one of them liberal groups?

"Link Goes To"

Our military is too goddamn big. This is a machine that will ultimately end up killing people in the name of protecting and extending US hegemony. It represents, in the final sense...

Still...military hardware is cool. Especially super-carriers.

/So conflicted.

Before you start thinking these things are juggernauts--remember, we don't even know whether we can defend them against China's "carrier-killers"...

And one day--we may have to.


well it's got nice whitewall tires
2013-11-09 11:13:53 AM  
1 vote:

HMS_Blinkin: Yeah, not watching Cheney and Rumsfeld.  F*ck those assholes.


double f*ck with sand and kerosene
2013-11-09 11:11:32 AM  
1 vote:
The Navy enters the 22nd century on Saturday with the christening of its newest aircraft carrier, the Gerald R. Ford, at Newport News Shipyard

are my maths wrong or is this not the way math works ?

and oh my got that singing is horrid
2013-11-09 11:10:04 AM  
1 vote:
Yeah, not watching Cheney and Rumsfeld.  F*ck those assholes.
2013-11-09 10:59:49 AM  
1 vote:

sefert: What does LGT stand for?  Lesbian, Gay, Transsexual?  Is this another one of them liberal groups?


"Link Goes To"

Our military is too goddamn big. This is a machine that will ultimately end up killing people in the name of protecting and extending US hegemony. It represents, in the final sense...

Still...military hardware is cool. Especially super-carriers.

/So conflicted.
 
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