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2013-11-09 07:48:54 AM
9 votes:
As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.
2013-11-09 09:00:14 AM
8 votes:
machoprogrammer:.Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

If you don't want people to think that you endorse the views of a group of whackos, it's a good idea to not accept money to give a speech at one of their fundraisers.
2013-11-09 08:24:35 AM
7 votes:

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.


If a Muslim admitted the types of things these End Times whacks do, they'd never see the light of day outside Gitmo again...and probably even in Gitmo.

It's about time we called anyone who's actively trying to bring about the "End Times" what they are: terrorists.
2013-11-09 08:22:15 AM
6 votes:

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.


Doesn't this run counter to every other belief they may hold? If you believe that you were created with a purpose, part of some great plan, then refusing to do anything with your life, talents and abilities is an affront to God and everything he had given you. And doesn't it also contradict an idea of an all-powerful, all-knowing God? When his hand can be forced by man's actions? Does God have a checklist for the apocalypse? "Well I was planning on going golfing today but it seems they finally got that last Jew. Peter, can you hold the fort? BRB"
2013-11-09 08:07:44 AM
6 votes:

enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?


Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made? Though, for many of the ones doing fundraising and pulling money out of it, I imagine it's more about fleecing the rubes than about any belief that the Rapture is an actual thing.
2013-11-09 11:16:14 AM
5 votes:
Over my lifetime, I have read and studied as much as I could on not just Christianity but also Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and others.  There are several things that have become pillars in protestant dogma that I do not believe are accurate nor based in the beliefs and practices of the early church.

The rapture is one of those things.  This was not in anyway part of church dogma until sometime in the 1800's when Darby came up with it.  Not only is it a new belief as far as church doctrine goes, it has corrupted and divided the church's relationship to society.  It bestows upon those who believe it a get out of jail free card.  This was a key part of turning "the good news message" into "turn or burn".  It separated the church in what I think is a more negative way from society at large.

The book of Revelation aka The Apocalypse according to John is not and was not written to be a blow by blow prophecy of how the end of the world would take place.  Apocalyptic writing is a well known genre of Jewish religious writing at the time.  It was almost always written for the faithful during a time of great hardship and oppression.  It is to encourage them to remain strong and that God will deliver them in the end.  Since this gospel was written to people being really oppressed and killed by Nero, it makes perfect sense.  This book was almost left out of the cannon completely because it is the only place where Jesus is shown in a violent manner.  I wish they had left it out.  It has also been perverted into to the fear based "turn or burn" message while also sheltering the actions of some church leaders who injure or oppress those outside the church.  Today it is clear that far too many Christians prefer Revelation Jesus to "Sermon on the Mount" Jesus.

The "inerrant word" bible reading.  No doctrine has done the opposite of what it's supporters claim, or driven people away from the faith than this one.  Simply put... it is impossible to be 100% literal.  No, this "doctrine" is applied very subjectively.  It has sown seeds of conflict between the church and society for as long as it has been practiced.  It makes the faithful look absurd and hypocritical. Demanding that Genesis be treated as a scientific treatise on the "PROCESS" of creation while today the church has taken the words "treat your neighbor as thy self" as an endorsement for putting yourself first and turning the poor of the gospels into no more than people poor in spirit and not people who are outcast of society who are in need.  It also destroys or greatly obfuscates many if not all of the spiritual messages of books such as Genesis by forcing them into the absurd position of being a narration of events.  This destroys the real intent of the book while simultaneously sowing discord between the church and society, thus destroying the very thing this doctrine claims to hold in such high veneration.  Look at these words from the architect of Christian theology from the Roman empire and see how much we have degressed instead of progressed.

It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation.  - St. Augustine  early 5th century.

I believe in the message of love and hope of Jesus, but they hate me because I do not simply accept their authority to speak for him and when they conflict I always go with old school Jesus.  If I look around me and see the rejected, hated, voiceless, oppressed, and poor of my day, I can take heart that I am in the right place.
2013-11-09 08:32:44 AM
5 votes:
Because electing people who think the world is ending will surely set things up nicely for your grandchildren.

/idiots
2013-11-09 08:30:49 AM
5 votes:
When you're actively trying to bring about the End of the World, you need a new hobby.  (to put it very politely)
2013-11-09 12:55:18 PM
4 votes:
Habitat for Humanity?  Pftt - that's not even one of the top two most interesting thing's Carter's done since leaving the White House.

See this thing here?
static.guim.co.uk

That's called a guinea worm.  It's been a plague on mankind since .... well since the was a mankind.  The Carter Center has lead eradication efforts since the mid 80's (when there were three and a half million cases a year).  For 2013, as on August 31st, there's been one hundred and fifteen.  Jonas Salk eradicated polio, Edward Jenner made the smallpox vaccine, some nameless guy killed the last dodo - and Jimmy Carter worked to eradicate this bugger.  "People who've successfully managed to commit speciecide" is probably a smaller list than "people who've been Presidents of the US".

The Carter Center has also done a lot of work fighting trachoma - blindness caused by flies around the eyes like you see in all those "25 cents a day can save the life of a child" commercials.  To do so, it has constructed some 2.9 million latrines worldwide ... which to the best of my knowledge makes JImmy Carter the leading shiat-house builder in the history of the world.
2013-11-09 11:55:08 AM
4 votes:
if Jesus actually came back i feel like the first thing he'd do is tell all the religious extremists in the world to fark off
2013-11-09 09:05:25 AM
4 votes:

enry: apoptotic: machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?

In this case, probably.

/rare case I know, but these people are really really scary


Honestly, this is one of the problems with America.  "Oh, it's okay, I'm only saying it for money" makes it okay because profit motive is seen as a positive value to have in this world, or at least a pretty minor sin.
2013-11-09 09:03:18 AM
4 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


I love these preemptive strikes where right wingers declare that you're a poopyhead whose opinion is meaningless in advance.. Right out of the Beck/Limpbaugh/Goebbels playbook.
2013-11-09 09:00:55 AM
4 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


Of course he was paid to attend.  He was the headliner; did you not see the website advertising "an evening with A President"?

Or does the fact that he accepted money for his appearance in some way lessen or abdicate his endorsement of the organisation to whom he lent his name, likeness, and time?
2013-11-09 08:50:49 AM
4 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.
2013-11-09 08:09:23 AM
4 votes:

mamoru: Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made? Though, for many of the ones doing fundraising and pulling money out of it, I imagine it's more about fleecing the rubes than about any belief that the Rapture is an actual thing.


As Ron Hubbard supposedly said, if you want to get really filthy rich, you have to start a religion.
2013-11-09 12:47:15 PM
3 votes:
Of course it's obvious he's not a member and probably has no comprehension of their mission.  He probably thinks they're just a group of ethnically Jewish Christians.  He was paid money to be there - paid for his name, in essence.  He has people to arrange these things, he just shows up.

And that's what actually bothers me.  If you're going to whore out your name and whore out the prestige of the office of President, be more careful about who your johns are, assholes.
2013-11-09 11:50:06 AM
3 votes:
Believe what you please, just don't base foreign policy decisions on your rapture doctrine.
2013-11-09 10:34:09 AM
3 votes:

kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.

This is the guilt-by-association crap that made Jeremiah Wright national news in 2008. You can't have it both ways.


And Obama was guilty-by-association of being?

A black American Christian, full stop.

Seriously, in context Wright's sermons were standard fare for a Christian, but people don't even remember what he said beyond, "god damn America!" And that he was a scary brown fella.
2013-11-09 09:59:59 AM
3 votes:

NFA: I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?


I don't think much of what happened under the Dubya administration was actually his decision.
2013-11-09 09:38:41 AM
3 votes:

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


He's allowed to say "no, you're all crazy," you know. And when he takes their money it's an implicit endorsement of their views. Unless you think it's fine for him to speak in front of, say, a Klan rally just because he's getting paid to do so.
2013-11-09 08:56:29 AM
3 votes:

mamoru: enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?

Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made?


I think it's more that the rapture would finally be proof to believers and non-believers alike that the believers were right.  Faith is hard.  Even harder in modern times when once miraculous natural phenomena are easily explainable by science.  The rapture is their "I told you so."

I almost feel bad for them.  To wait their entire lives for something that will never come.
2013-11-09 08:52:24 AM
3 votes:

Vacation Bible School: enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.

Doesn't this run counter to every other belief they may hold? If you believe that you were created with a purpose, part of some great plan, then refusing to do anything with your life, talents and abilities is an affront to God and everything he had given you. And doesn't it also contradict an idea of an all-powerful, all-knowing God? When his hand can be forced by man's actions? Does God have a checklist for the apocalypse? "Well I was planning on going golfing today but it seems they finally got that last Jew. Peter, can you hold the fort? BRB"


I used to attend a church that believed in the imminent rapture but they were actually pretty practical about it. The basic teaching was that no man knows the day or the hour so we needed to live spiritually like the Rapture was going to happen tomorrow but financially like we would live to be 100. In other words: always stay right with God but get the jobs, etc you need to support yourself and family and do good in the community while you wait.

Needless to say with that kind of teaching plus no tax exemption (don't want to give the gov't any control), no tithe or collections (only God should see you give) and a bunch of other things we were thought of as weird in the larger evangelical community.
2013-11-09 08:46:16 AM
3 votes:
If anyone remembers those left behind books, a critic of them pointed out that in the series, certain passages betrayed a stark fear of death.  The rapture has its appeal in certain circles because getting raptured means not having to die.
2013-11-09 08:25:17 AM
3 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


Probably. It's not like there is much of anything to comprehend. The word "spiritual", when translated from Phoney into English, translates as "some nothing that I want to sell you as something" - or, for that matter, pretty much anything else you want it to mean.
And Fark, of course, is heavily infested with curmudgeons who don't suffer anybody gladly.
So, there you are.
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2013-11-09 02:16:04 PM
2 votes:

ArgusRun: mamoru: enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?

Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made?

I think it's more that the rapture would finally be proof to believers and non-believers alike that the believers were right.  Faith is hard.  Even harder in modern times when once miraculous natural phenomena are easily explainable by science.  The rapture is their "I told you so."

I almost feel bad for them.  To wait their entire lives for something that will never come.


My uncle died recently and at the funeral his son, a devout Mormon, said in his eulogy "I can't wait to see him in heaven so I can say 'see dad, I told you so, now sit back because I'm in charge'."

He is such a colossal douchebag, called his learning disabled son "our little retard," with the logic that if he turns out smart he'll laugh it off and if he doesn't he won't know any better.

I'm almost convinced he's clinically sociopathic. He's a big reason I'll have nothing to do with organized religion despite considering myself a pretty spiritual person.
2013-11-09 01:31:27 PM
2 votes:
A few years back I heard an interview with Chomsky where he was asked about anti-Semitism and his reply was (to the effect), "There's a different kind of ant-Semitism that's prevelant in US culture; namely, fomenting and seeking to perpetuate dischord in the middle east in order to bring about the End Times, which, per the biblical interpretation of many, will result in the complete annihilation of all Jews who have not converted to Christianity. It takes willfull self-deception to not see the murderous impulse implicit in that outlook, and it is widely believed by millions."

True believers in the End Times are rather....odd people per my experience with them. Having grown up Mormon and being part of a community that believes that the Second Coming could be any day, maybe even tomorrow, I can only express graditude at now spending more time reading Fark memes that warming an uncomfortable pew.
2013-11-09 01:18:59 PM
2 votes:
We shouldn't even be allowing religious nuts to become President in the first place any more.
2013-11-09 01:17:26 PM
2 votes:

spmkk: subby: If you find yourself having to resort to, "All hail the great Carter!" to lay the groundwork for your "This makes Bush a crazy religious extremist" case, it's a pretty good indication that your case might not have a lot of merit.


Say what you will about Carter as a president. Post office his record and works are something all Americans should take pride in. For the record, I do agree that Bush was not an extremist. He was, however a zealous fundementalist (and likely still is). They are the folks who have taken a very, very few isolated verses of prophesy and converted them into the doctrine of the "rapture". It is not a mainstream Christian doctrine outside the US. BTW, relying on the Revelation of John alone it would be impossible to build a case for the rapture. In order to do so you need to cherry pick isolated verses from Daniel (in particular), that then need to be removed from the context of the Babylonian captivity where they actually fit, and apply them to the mysticism of Revelations. At best the connection is tenous and entirely based on derivatives of questionable translations of second and third hand accounts. Making "The Rapture" a pillar and basis of your faith is cultish at best. The Revelation of St. John is intended to be an account of a vision of the end of days, but sorry, it nowhere speaks of the rapture.
2013-11-09 01:07:46 PM
2 votes:
Bartman66:
Now if Bush was going around the world promoting this on a daily basis like carter and not just attending an event than maybe this might have something to cry about.... otherwise..meh.

Absolutely.  I mean, it's like when you just rape one girl, and everybody acts like you're a serial rapist.  Stupid libs.
2013-11-09 11:32:31 AM
2 votes:
As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.
2013-11-09 11:10:04 AM
2 votes:

Zombalupagus: enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.

I've never understood this kind of thinking either. If you live your life a certain way then what difference does it make whether you're killed by the Apocalypse or hit by a bus?


The Rapture appeals because it means they can stick it to everyone who is not Elect.  These people are nothing if not spiteful and resentful of the rest of society.
2013-11-09 11:06:12 AM
2 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


Atheists when polled are among the most knowledgeable people on religion. Evangelicals typically poll as among the least.

Your assumptions need adjustment.
2013-11-09 11:05:21 AM
2 votes:

spmkk: subby: If you find yourself having to resort to, "All hail the great Carter!" to lay the groundwork for your "This makes Bush a crazy religious extremist" case, it's a pretty good indication that your case might not have a lot of merit.


1) There are four living former Presidents.  The article compared three of them.  Even if they had left Carter out and used George H. W. Bush instead, it still would make W look bad, as his old man is chairman for Points of Light.

2) Just because Carter effed up a lot of things doesn't change the fact that Habitat for Humanity does good work and helps many people.

3) "All hail the great Carter!" is a strawman, and you should feel bad for having to resort to that.
2013-11-09 11:04:40 AM
2 votes:

kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: He's allowed to say "no, you're all crazy," you know. And when he takes their money it's an implicit endorsement of their views. Unless you think it's fine for him to speak in front of, say, a Klan rally just because he's getting paid to do so.

Eh. I don't like anyone involved in this, but I don't really think that's the case. Like a lot of paid speakers, I doubt he has anything at all to do with the booking, and doesn't know who his audience is until the engagement is immediately on the horizon.


Him not bothering to pay attention to his own schedule is no excuse. Incompetence wasn't an excuse for his presidency either.
2013-11-09 10:51:44 AM
2 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


1) As the person who spoke first and declared my faith, you're wrong.
2) Accepting money from such a group for someone who doesn't do many appearances these days is rather telling about the kind of company he kept while in office and keeps now.
2013-11-09 10:41:38 AM
2 votes:

MooseUpNorth: spmkk: subby: If you find yourself having to resort to, "All hail the great Carter!" to lay the groundwork for your "This makes Bush a crazy religious extremist" case, it's a pretty good indication that your case might not have a lot of merit.

I'm curious as to which other living, non-wheelchair-bound, former president you think he should have chosen instead of Carter to make a direct apples-to-apples comparison to Bush's post-presidency activities?


The name "Carter" has been a whipping boy for so long the right doesn't even understand it anymore.  He was always "below Reagan" and so when saint Ronnie was revealed as a treasonous tool who farked the nation he was "worse than that," and now that Reagan's been rebranded Carter is just, "teh worst evar" for no clear or definitive reason.
2013-11-09 10:33:07 AM
2 votes:

spmkk: subby: If you find yourself having to resort to, "All hail the great Carter!" to lay the groundwork for your "This makes Bush a crazy religious extremist" case, it's a pretty good indication that your case might not have a lot of merit.


I'm curious as to which other living, non-wheelchair-bound, former president you think he should have chosen instead of Carter to make a direct apples-to-apples comparison to Bush's post-presidency activities?
2013-11-09 10:22:12 AM
2 votes:

kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.

This is the guilt-by-association crap that made Jeremiah Wright national news in 2008. You can't have it both ways.


What do you mean? Bush  willingly chose to speak and get paid for speaking at an event by an extremist Christian group. Jeremiah Wright gave a sermon that white people didn't like.
2013-11-09 10:00:39 AM
2 votes:

NFA: I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?  With his religious extremism, did he feel he was doing god's work?  It's hard to imagine it didn't exist in his mind, perhaps he never said it out loud but it's hard to imagine it wasn't there..


We had already destroyed all of their good stuff in 91. They thought it would be easy, and it kind of was (the initial assault). They just never realized how hard holding ground was. That's what General Shinseki was trying to explain to them with his 38 years of service experience. They just didn't care to listen.
2013-11-09 09:51:21 AM
2 votes:

JesusJuice: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

We comprehend spiritual matters better than you, that's why we're atheist or agnostic.


I'd say my comprehension of spiritual and religious matters is what directly led to me forsaking faith and becoming an atheist.

/Mom is Catholic, Dad has been pentecostal, southern baptist, "non-denominational", and southern baptist again. Get familiar with enough Christian religions and pretty soon you figure out all religions are full of shiat.
2013-11-09 09:46:37 AM
2 votes:
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2013-11-09 09:40:40 AM
2 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


We comprehend spiritual matters better than you, that's why we're atheist or agnostic.
2013-11-09 09:38:43 AM
2 votes:
Believing that the world is coming to an end is one thing, but looking forward to it and doing anything you can to hasten it is particularly  twisted. Also important to mention that when some of them warn about "Gods wrath" what they mean is "Bubbas gunna shoot them quars with his ol' 12 gauge once the mean ol guberment stops interferin with his constituional rights".
2013-11-09 09:38:37 AM
2 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


This comment is pathetic on so many levels. The most glaringly obvious being the shiat talking about non - spiritual people while excusing Bush and his fake religiosity for a pay check
2013-11-09 09:24:47 AM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).


that makes it okay? as long as you're getting paid?
2013-11-09 09:12:46 AM
2 votes:

Vacation Bible School: enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.

Doesn't this run counter to every other belief they may hold? If you believe that you were created with a purpose, part of some great plan, then refusing to do anything with your life, talents and abilities is an affront to God and everything he had given you. And doesn't it also contradict an idea of an all-powerful, all-knowing God? When his hand can be forced by man's actions? Does God have a checklist for the apocalypse? "Well I was planning on going golfing today but it seems they finally got that last Jew. Peter, can you hold the fort? BRB"


Too much thought.  This is just the logical extension of the Santa Claus version of Religion.  If you're good in life, you get rewarded in heaven, even if life is utter shiat, you get rewarded in heaven.   Christianity used this doctrine in a lot of eras to keep society, which included a lot of peasants living in shiat, together.

Problem is: Anyone who has enough time/thought to plan ahead realizes, "hey, if life sucks until heaven, if heaven is my goal, I need to get their as quick as possible."

And there we go, suicide to get to heaven.  So Suicide became a particularly grievous SIN to keep people from doing it.  But The Rapture is an "out" so people who are actually living great lives, but not PERFECT lives, chase it.  And they rationalize what is ultimately a cult of selfishness and self-destruction into a "greater good" because, after all, God wants to destroy satan and bring about a truly perfect kingdom upon the earth and that would be the ultimate infinite good, so kick-starting it is heroic and good instead of selfish and evil.
2013-11-09 09:06:04 AM
2 votes:

mamoru: enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?

Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made? Though, for many of the ones doing fundraising and pulling money out of it, I imagine it's more about fleecing the rubes than about any belief that the Rapture is an actual thing.


During the last fake rapture, I read an article about a family spending everything they had so when the rapture came around, they would have no money or anything. I didn't find a follow up article, but I hope it involved Child Services saving the children from that hellhole.
2013-11-09 09:02:06 AM
2 votes:

gnosis301: I thought the talking points were that GWB was a dirty liberal.


W was the rwnj's wet dream until the last 6 months of his presidency when all his policies of the previous 7 1/2 years culminated in a financial meltdown and W felt obligated to do something about it.
2013-11-09 09:01:57 AM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).


So? If he's an ethical person he'd turn down the offer from these nutcases.
2013-11-09 09:01:36 AM
2 votes:
The convenient thing about Dubya was that his country-wrecking policies were largely based on an immediate, secular agenda driven by money, power, and the mass slaughter of innocent people based on political motives.  While he is also a kneeler, and an especially zealous and suicidal one at that, he kept his destructive campaign fixed firmly on Earth, not Heaven.

It's not much, but it's better than what we get with today's crop of GOP tard-babies.
2013-11-09 08:57:12 AM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).


IIRC he's Episcopal, which I find to be one of the 'saner' ones (full disclosure: so am I, but was raised Catholic). But he was surrounded by people from that group e.g. Ashcroft, so I'm not giving him a pass for this.
2013-11-09 08:49:47 AM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


They're both evil, each tainting each other in new ways.  One destroyed Iraq, the other's trying to destroy Everything.
2013-11-09 08:28:06 AM
2 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


God isn't going to buttf*ck you.
2013-11-09 11:58:06 PM
1 votes:

enry: IIRC he's Episcopal, which I find to be one of the 'saner' ones


Episcopalians allow gay clergy and aren't creationists.  I seriously doubt GWB is an Episcopalian.
2013-11-09 09:37:50 PM
1 votes:
Dumbya is reduced to following Glenn Beck as the keynote speaker at the whack-job Messianic Jewish Bible Institute's annual fundraiser?

Who have now pulled their interwebz page advertising the event but who still insist it's going forward and won't confirm or deny how much if anything Dumbya is pocketing from the proceedings?

Christ, what a bunch of assholes.
2013-11-09 07:24:41 PM
1 votes:

jake3988: enry * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-11-09 07:48:54 AM As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?
===========================================================

Yeah, never made sense to me either.

The only people who want rapture are the non-religious (or, I guess, non-christians) so that the annoying as hell whackjobs can raptured away and we can live in peace for the rest of our lives.

Because seriously, I don't care how awesome Heaven would be, if I'm stuck in eternity with a bunch of Christians I'd rather spend it in Hell with all the fun people.


Mark Twain once suggested, "Heaven, for the climate; Hell, for the company."
2013-11-09 06:08:56 PM
1 votes:

Bucky Katt: machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).

Bush found Jesus when he quit drinking.  He seems to have opted for a very fundamentalist version of Christianity.


He also has a track record as a useful idiot willing to be someone's mouthpiece, so this is another perfect fit.
2013-11-09 05:50:08 PM
1 votes:
Religion makes people stupid

exibit 1: George W. Bush
2013-11-09 05:06:24 PM
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


If you speak at a group meeting, usually you believe what the group believes. If you're so craven and hard up for cash as to speak at a gathering whose beliefs you do NOT share, you're an idiot and deserve to be mocked. I would say that speaking at an end-times fundraiser means Bush probably shares their dogma.
2013-11-09 03:26:27 PM
1 votes:
Did anyone ever notice how W didn't seem to age at the typical rate of a modern US President (like 2 or 3 times faster than most people)?

It's like that deep responsibility wears down at a man on some intrinsic level, except that Bush never really felt responsibility in his position.

Looking at him now, it's starting to catch up with him. I hope this indicates some stress on his part over the mounting realization that his presidency was an awful blight to our country.

Our else just that he no longer possesses the One Ring.
2013-11-09 03:24:21 PM
1 votes:

DeaH: enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.

But the beauty of being raptured is you get to see - for sure - those left behind. Remember, a club isn't good because of the people who join. A club is good because of the people who aren't allowed in.

/Not my opinion
//But this also explains why some people think marriage needed to be defended against gay people


Spot on.

These are people who are positively giddy about people who don't believe like they do suffering first through the tribulations on Earth, then suffering for eternity in hell.

These types of Christians have a huge hangup about unbelievers being so bold as to not participate in their make-believe. They try to bolster their desperate need to feel righteous and superior by telling each other "really, those guys aren't actually unbelievers, they just want to live in sin and rebel against God, so they reject Him!" Many are either incapable of realizing or refuse to admit that anyone could honestly reject their belief system and faith because, after inspection, it sounds like a bunch of malarkey. So, if the whole rapture-and-apocalypse thing goes down, that's their chance to finally be like HA! IN YOUR FACE!

They're pretty scary, all right.
2013-11-09 03:12:48 PM
1 votes:
Headline says that like that's all he does:  http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/politics/africa-bush-legacy/

This of course, is a no-win situation. If he just does charitable work without making it a media spectacle, it doesn't get posted here, and people think nothing happened. If he does make a fuss about it, then he is an attention whore. See:

static.someecards.com
2013-11-09 02:33:04 PM
1 votes:

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: apoptotic: machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?

... did... did you just apply the word INTELLECTUAL to GEORGE W. BUSH?!?!?


Well, it's like saying he has an intellectual vacuum.  Indirectly.
2013-11-09 01:52:58 PM
1 votes:
If the Muslim Brotherhood offered him enough money, Dubya might accept the speaking engagement for them.

This is a former President who's not really all that popular among a sizable percentage of his "own" party. I'm sure he's got a chip on his shoulder knowing that and probably gives no fark whatsoever anymore.
2013-11-09 01:26:27 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

God isn't going to buttf*ck you.

He would if you gave him half a chance. You and your whole family.


Settle down, Job. You're speaking crazy.
2013-11-09 12:32:17 PM
1 votes:
I'm willing to bet that someone with the handle "Sauron was Framed" is trolling you guys
2013-11-09 12:20:14 PM
1 votes:

Fuggin Bizzy: The My Little Pony Killer: We already know that GW Bush is retarded though.

"I read this, and you give me a bag of money? Okay, then."


Bush being talked into making a poorly researched, impulsive decision that he doesn't quite understand, based merely on its financial benefits, without considering its long-term ramifications?  Hmm, where have I heard that before?
2013-11-09 12:02:42 PM
1 votes:

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.


good comments...really! I have been hearing about the imminent 'rapture' since I was in 10th grade in 1975. Actually the Bible never uses the word rapture in their context anywhere in it and Jesus himself said he doesn't even know the time it will be. So these loony wackaloons as you call them are difying Christ's own message of "don't worry about it." When I explain that to holy rollers I know they either get angry or quiet...
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-11-09 11:56:20 AM
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


Fine, you don't believe in integrity. Many people do. How much cash would it take to get you to speak before a truly reprehensible group you allegedly disagree with, like this one, NAMBLA or ALEC? $50? $75? $100? We've determined what Bush is, we're just haggling over the price.
2013-11-09 11:28:49 AM
1 votes:

BMulligan: A third or more of the comments here are responses to posts by two individuals who made inflammatory claims and then disappeared. If only there was a word for that.


There is.  It's called "fark."

/welcome to
//but I agree with you
2013-11-09 11:17:40 AM
1 votes:
A third or more of the comments here are responses to posts by two individuals who made inflammatory claims and then disappeared. If only there was a word for that.
2013-11-09 11:12:46 AM
1 votes:

kronicfeld: NFA: I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?  With his religious extremism, did he feel he was doing god's work?  It's hard to imagine it didn't exist in his mind, perhaps he never said it out loud but it's hard to imagine it wasn't there..

For all his faults and failures, I don't think he was a religious extremist. He made a point of trying to quell - or at the very least not exacerbate - the anti-Muslim hysteria from the true extremists.



9/16/2001 George Bush Jr. said:
"This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while. And the American people must be patient, I am going to be patient."

Bush and his cronies have repeatedly used the language of religion to describe his actions and motivations for going into Iraq.
http://www.alternet.org/story/140221/bush's_shocking_biblical_prophe cy _emerges:_god_wants_to_"erase"_mid-east_enemies_"before_a_new_age_begi ns"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

i.dailymail.co.uk
i.dailymail.co.uk
i.dailymail.co.uk

There's a website called the http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/ that's been aggressively reporting stories about the pervasive evangelical mindset throughout the military, including back when Bush and Rummie were waving around their Bibles and calling for a crusade in Iraq.
2013-11-09 11:07:43 AM
1 votes:

Bartman66: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

THIS
AND from MSNBC... and it's anti Bush and Religion??? shocker.
funny but is this somehow a way to distract from what is going on now???
Now if Bush was going around the world promoting this on a daily basis like carter and not just attending an event than maybe this might have something to cry about.... otherwise..meh.


Carter walked around every day promoting the end of the world? You must have taken an entirely different U.S. history class than everybody else in the history of ever.
2013-11-09 11:01:47 AM
1 votes:

Bartman66: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

THIS
AND from MSNBC... and it's anti Bush and Religion??? shocker.
funny but is this somehow a way to distract from what is going on now???
Now if Bush was going around the world promoting this on a daily basis like carter and not just attending an event than maybe this might have something to cry about.... otherwise..meh.


If you're not 'anti-Bush', you're a bad person.

If your religion calls for converting people to bring about the end of the world, you're a madman.
2013-11-09 11:01:41 AM
1 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


"atheists, agnostics and liberals"

I can see the spittle flying out of your mouth as you hurl what you think are hate-filled slurs out of your mouth.

I can also hear your frenzied future railing about Obama when he gets paid to make speeches after leaving office to groups of "atheists, agnostics and liberals," which is to say, groups who don't drool with delight at the prospect of the Earth being destroyed by a vengeful god.
2013-11-09 11:01:02 AM
1 votes:
Well, this atheist is interested in the "spiritual matters"  I do not comprehend.  Could you list some of them please so I may study them.
2013-11-09 10:38:47 AM
1 votes:

TheBigJerk: kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.

This is the guilt-by-association crap that made Jeremiah Wright national news in 2008. You can't have it both ways.

And Obama was guilty-by-association of being?

A black American Christian, full stop.

Seriously, in context Wright's sermons were standard fare for a Christian, but people don't even remember what he said beyond, "god damn America!" And that he was a scary brown fella.


To be fair Wright was blaming atrocities committed by the US government and not the usual gays, abortionists, ACLU, and feminists.  Then it would be standard Christian fare.
2013-11-09 10:31:14 AM
1 votes:

enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?


Because death is scary, and deep down they have some doubts.
2013-11-09 10:27:56 AM
1 votes:
"Apocalypse" doesn't mean "end of the world".  It means "revelation".  You can have an apocalypse about the ingredients in three-bean salad.  Hint:  there are three beans in it.
2013-11-09 10:17:30 AM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.


This is the guilt-by-association crap that made Jeremiah Wright national news in 2008. You can't have it both ways.
2013-11-09 10:11:27 AM
1 votes:

kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: He's allowed to say "no, you're all crazy," you know. And when he takes their money it's an implicit endorsement of their views. Unless you think it's fine for him to speak in front of, say, a Klan rally just because he's getting paid to do so.

Eh. I don't like anyone involved in this, but I don't really think that's the case. Like a lot of paid speakers, I doubt he has anything at all to do with the booking, and doesn't know who his audience is until the engagement is immediately on the horizon.


And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.
2013-11-09 10:10:36 AM
1 votes:

NFA: I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?  With his religious extremism, did he feel he was doing god's work?  It's hard to imagine it didn't exist in his mind, perhaps he never said it out loud but it's hard to imagine it wasn't there..


For all his faults and failures, I don't think he was a religious extremist. He made a point of trying to quell - or at the very least not exacerbate - the anti-Muslim hysteria from the true extremists.
2013-11-09 10:10:25 AM
1 votes:

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


THIS
AND from MSNBC... and it's anti Bush and Religion??? shocker.
funny but is this somehow a way to distract from what is going on now???
Now if Bush was going around the world promoting this on a daily basis like carter and not just attending an event than maybe this might have something to cry about.... otherwise..meh.
NFA [TotalFark]
2013-11-09 09:52:59 AM
1 votes:
I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?  With his religious extremism, did he feel he was doing god's work?  It's hard to imagine it didn't exist in his mind, perhaps he never said it out loud but it's hard to imagine it wasn't there..
2013-11-09 09:38:33 AM
1 votes:

kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

God isn't going to buttf*ck you.


Strange Story, Bro Time

We had this friend in high school, let's call him "Danny".  Danny was weird.  I mean, we were all weird, nerdy kids, but he was  weird.  This was an age before Columbine, so wearing all black with a black trench coat to school was just strange.  Ours was the table that played Magic: The Gathering at lunch.  Another of our friends was weird and nerdy, but his family was also very religious.  Danny was experimenting with Neo-Druidism, as an upper-middle-class 16-year-old is prone to do.

One day, our religious buddy asks Danny if he's ever known God.  I don't know what clicked in Danny's brain, but he suddenly gets real loud and says "GOD?  I KNOW GOD!"

(He was shouting this for all of the cafeteria to hear, but I don't feel like typing this in all caps.)

"God came to me, in the middle of the night one night, and he said 'Danny!', and I said 'God!', and he said 'Danny!', and I said 'God!', and he said 'Danny!',  and I said 'God!', and he said 'Danny...BEND OVER!', and I did, you know, because he was God...and that's when God anally raped me!!!  So yes, I can tell you that I have felt the lovin' of the Lord and I have felt God inside me!!!"

At that point, Danny sat down and continued to eat his square cardboard pizza.  About three-quarters of the student body in that cafeteria sat there with a mixture of horror and sheer "what the FARK just happened" on their faces, and about one-quarter of the kids were clutching their sides from laughter.
2013-11-09 09:29:22 AM
1 votes:
Jews for Jesus?

i1.ytimg.com

/How about Buddhism?
2013-11-09 09:18:19 AM
1 votes:
And when his humble tv servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
It's okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
'cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to hebbin!
(depending on which book you're using at the
Time...can't use theirs... it don't work
...it's all lies...gotta use mine...)
Ain't that right?
That's what they say
Every night...
Every day...
Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following god's orders
Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here
An' the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,
So...
If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(an' maybe even a little ugly on the side)
2013-11-09 09:16:18 AM
1 votes:

Wyalt Derp: I hope he still has the Mission Accomplished banner for when Our Lord returns.


Nice touch.
2013-11-09 09:07:58 AM
1 votes:

enry: apoptotic: machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?

In this case, probably.

/rare case I know, but these people are really really scary


I don't think legitimizing really really scary is any better than actually being really really scary.
2013-11-09 09:00:36 AM
1 votes:
catmandu:
I used to attend a church that believed in the imminent rapture but they were actually pretty practical about it. The basic teaching was that no man knows the day or the hour so we needed to live spiritually like the Rapture was going to happen tomorrow but financially like we would live to be 100. In other words: always stay right with God but get the jobs, etc you need to support yourself and family and do good in the community while you wait.

Surprisingly logical except for the "religion" part.  It's no secret that history is littered with the remains of groups who believed the end times were happening next week and threw away their worldy lives to prepare for it, only to end up broke, homeless and not in heaven.
2013-11-09 08:58:13 AM
1 votes:
Of course, groups like this were also helping to write our foreign policy while Chimpy here was in the White House.

They were looking for ways to use US power to get the Jews back to Jerusalem, convert them to 'Christianity', and end the world.
2013-11-09 08:54:28 AM
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?
2013-11-09 08:52:50 AM
1 votes:
well, i for one am glad that this apocalyptic zealot was in charge of the nuclear launch codes for eight years!
2013-11-09 08:46:54 AM
1 votes:
Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?
2013-11-09 08:37:31 AM
1 votes:

kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

God isn't going to buttf*ck you.


Yes he is.
Hard and deep.
He buttf#@ks all of his followers eventually.

Isn't that right, Job?
2013-11-09 08:31:34 AM
1 votes:

Vacation Bible School: Doesn't this run counter to every other belief they may hold? If you believe that you were created with a purpose, part of some great plan, then refusing to do anything with your life, talents and abilities is an affront to God and everything he had given you. And doesn't it also contradict an idea of an all-powerful, all-knowing God? When his hand can be forced by man's actions?


Stop trying to apply any kind of logic to Calvinism.
2013-11-09 08:19:01 AM
1 votes:
This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.
2013-11-09 08:16:10 AM
1 votes:
the people who beilieve in rapture should be forced to buy insurance for the damage they will likely cause when they pop out
 
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