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2013-11-09 01:29:57 PM  

TheBigJerk: Christianity used this doctrine in a lot of eras to keep society, which included a lot of peasants living in shiat, together.


I don't understand why you're using the past tense here.

/religion isn't the opiate of the masses anymore
//now it's the crystal meth of the masses
 
2013-11-09 01:30:18 PM  

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.


But the beauty of being raptured is you get to see - for sure - those left behind. Remember, a club isn't good because of the people who join. A club is good because of the people who aren't allowed in.

/Not my opinion
//But this also explains why some people think marriage needed to be defended against gay people
 
2013-11-09 01:31:27 PM  
A few years back I heard an interview with Chomsky where he was asked about anti-Semitism and his reply was (to the effect), "There's a different kind of ant-Semitism that's prevelant in US culture; namely, fomenting and seeking to perpetuate dischord in the middle east in order to bring about the End Times, which, per the biblical interpretation of many, will result in the complete annihilation of all Jews who have not converted to Christianity. It takes willfull self-deception to not see the murderous impulse implicit in that outlook, and it is widely believed by millions."

True believers in the End Times are rather....odd people per my experience with them. Having grown up Mormon and being part of a community that believes that the Second Coming could be any day, maybe even tomorrow, I can only express graditude at now spending more time reading Fark memes that warming an uncomfortable pew.
 
2013-11-09 01:33:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: LucklessWonder: As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.

I hate to tell you this, but the "bodily resurrections" are also bullsh*t.


Yeah, but you're falling into the whole literal trap crap. Never lose sight of the fact that all of this has been spun, filtered according to the politics and mores of the time, spun again, refiltered ,etc, wash and wipe. The point is the rapture isn't even IN the Bible. It was essentially spun from scratch.
 
2013-11-09 01:38:22 PM  

Karac: Habitat for Humanity?  Pftt - that's not even one of the top two most interesting thing's Carter's done since leaving the White House.

See this thing here?
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

That's called a guinea worm.  It's been a plague on mankind since .... well since the was a mankind.  The Carter Center has lead eradication efforts since the mid 80's (when there were three and a half million cases a year).  For 2013, as on August 31st, there's been one hundred and fifteen.  Jonas Salk eradicated polio, Edward Jenner made the smallpox vaccine, some nameless guy killed the last dodo - and Jimmy Carter worked to eradicate this bugger.  "People who've successfully managed to commit speciecide" is probably a smaller list than "people who've been Presidents of the US".

The Carter Center has also done a lot of work fighting trachoma - blindness caused by flies around the eyes like you see in all those "25 cents a day can save the life of a child" commercials.  To do so, it has constructed some 2.9 million latrines worldwide ... which to the best of my knowledge makes JImmy Carter the leading shiat-house builder in the history of the world.


Nah, Bush built the biggest international Shiathouse on the planet. I believe it's still collectively referred to as America.
 
2013-11-09 01:42:33 PM  

Kibbler: LucklessWonder: cameroncrazy1984: LucklessWonder: As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.

I hate to tell you this, but the "bodily resurrections" are also bullsh*t.

Possibly. But it's at least Biblical.

Biblical, but I'd like to point out, not in the gospels.  And even in Biblical terms, I'm not sure how concrete the language was on the whole idea that your flesh would be reassembled and made immortal.  One thing I'm sure of, that is not in the gospels.


I'm not Jewish, but I was given to understand by a Jewish friend, that bodily resurrection was more of a metaphor, not about the individual, but about the Jewish nation.
 
2013-11-09 01:51:19 PM  

cheeseaholic: cameroncrazy1984: LucklessWonder: As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.

I hate to tell you this, but the "bodily resurrections" are also bullsh*t.


IIRC in the  Apocalypse of Peter everyone gets new bodies.  So bodies but not the old ugly ass used ones.


Yes, but the revelation of Peter (if you believe) gave the whole gameplan away.
 
2013-11-09 01:52:58 PM  
If the Muslim Brotherhood offered him enough money, Dubya might accept the speaking engagement for them.

This is a former President who's not really all that popular among a sizable percentage of his "own" party. I'm sure he's got a chip on his shoulder knowing that and probably gives no fark whatsoever anymore.
 
2013-11-09 01:58:50 PM  

apoptotic: machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?


... did... did you just apply the word INTELLECTUAL to GEORGE W. BUSH?!?!?
 
2013-11-09 02:01:33 PM  

Killer Cars: If the Muslim Brotherhood offered him enough money, Dubya might accept the speaking engagement for them.

This is a former President who's not really all that popular among a sizable percentage of his "own" party. I'm sure he's got a chip on his shoulder knowing that and probably gives no fark whatsoever anymore.


He knows he'll still be buried with honor like Nixon.
 
2013-11-09 02:16:04 PM  

ArgusRun: mamoru: enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?

Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made?

I think it's more that the rapture would finally be proof to believers and non-believers alike that the believers were right.  Faith is hard.  Even harder in modern times when once miraculous natural phenomena are easily explainable by science.  The rapture is their "I told you so."

I almost feel bad for them.  To wait their entire lives for something that will never come.


My uncle died recently and at the funeral his son, a devout Mormon, said in his eulogy "I can't wait to see him in heaven so I can say 'see dad, I told you so, now sit back because I'm in charge'."

He is such a colossal douchebag, called his learning disabled son "our little retard," with the logic that if he turns out smart he'll laugh it off and if he doesn't he won't know any better.

I'm almost convinced he's clinically sociopathic. He's a big reason I'll have nothing to do with organized religion despite considering myself a pretty spiritual person.
 
2013-11-09 02:33:04 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: apoptotic: machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?

... did... did you just apply the word INTELLECTUAL to GEORGE W. BUSH?!?!?


Well, it's like saying he has an intellectual vacuum.  Indirectly.
 
2013-11-09 02:37:54 PM  

vharshyde: Karac: Habitat for Humanity?  Pftt - that's not even one of the top two most interesting thing's Carter's done since leaving the White House.

See this thing here?
[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

That's called a guinea worm.  It's been a plague on mankind since .... well since the was a mankind.  The Carter Center has lead eradication efforts since the mid 80's (when there were three and a half million cases a year).  For 2013, as on August 31st, there's been one hundred and fifteen.  Jonas Salk eradicated polio, Edward Jenner made the smallpox vaccine, some nameless guy killed the last dodo - and Jimmy Carter worked to eradicate this bugger.  "People who've successfully managed to commit speciecide" is probably a smaller list than "people who've been Presidents of the US".

The Carter Center has also done a lot of work fighting trachoma - blindness caused by flies around the eyes like you see in all those "25 cents a day can save the life of a child" commercials.  To do so, it has constructed some 2.9 million latrines worldwide ... which to the best of my knowledge makes JImmy Carter the leading shiat-house builder in the history of the world.

Nah, Bush built the biggest international Shiathouse on the planet. I believe it's still collectively referred to as America.


I believe the word you're looking for is 'Murica.
 
2013-11-09 02:42:33 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: apoptotic: machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?

... did... did you just apply the word INTELLECTUAL to GEORGE W. BUSH?!?!?


Unfortunately, yes. But in my own defense, I didn't want to imply he was literally going to have sex with them for money, and as I'd just woken up when I posted, I couldn't think of another concise yet disparaging way of getting across "dissemination of thought/belief via speech for money". I tried, but I was insufficiently caffeinated at the time.
 
2013-11-09 02:51:54 PM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


So he was framed?
 
2013-11-09 03:00:27 PM  
I don't get all these "Rapture" fanatics.  It's a great Blondie song, no doubt, but that was over 30 years ago.
Just let it go and find some new music.
 
2013-11-09 03:12:48 PM  
Headline says that like that's all he does:  http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/politics/africa-bush-legacy/

This of course, is a no-win situation. If he just does charitable work without making it a media spectacle, it doesn't get posted here, and people think nothing happened. If he does make a fuss about it, then he is an attention whore. See:

static.someecards.com
 
2013-11-09 03:14:13 PM  

MrBallou: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

I love these preemptive strikes where right wingers declare that you're a poopyhead whose opinion is meaningless in advance.. Right out of the Beck/Limpbaugh/Goebbels playbook.


"Zero comprehension of spiritual matters"

...

Is this like being too reliant on facts and not enough truthiness?

"Sure you have a solid grasp on reason and nature and reality and that's why you can't comment here because you will try to apply facts where they don't belong."
 
2013-11-09 03:24:21 PM  

DeaH: enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.

But the beauty of being raptured is you get to see - for sure - those left behind. Remember, a club isn't good because of the people who join. A club is good because of the people who aren't allowed in.

/Not my opinion
//But this also explains why some people think marriage needed to be defended against gay people


Spot on.

These are people who are positively giddy about people who don't believe like they do suffering first through the tribulations on Earth, then suffering for eternity in hell.

These types of Christians have a huge hangup about unbelievers being so bold as to not participate in their make-believe. They try to bolster their desperate need to feel righteous and superior by telling each other "really, those guys aren't actually unbelievers, they just want to live in sin and rebel against God, so they reject Him!" Many are either incapable of realizing or refuse to admit that anyone could honestly reject their belief system and faith because, after inspection, it sounds like a bunch of malarkey. So, if the whole rapture-and-apocalypse thing goes down, that's their chance to finally be like HA! IN YOUR FACE!

They're pretty scary, all right.
 
2013-11-09 03:24:49 PM  

super_grass: Headline says that like that's all he does:  http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/politics/africa-bush-legacy/

This of course, is a no-win situation. If he just does charitable work without making it a media spectacle, it doesn't get posted here, and people think nothing happened. If he does make a fuss about it, then he is an attention whore. See:

[static.someecards.com image 420x294]


He's got a hell of a long way to go to right all of the wrongs he has done so far.
 
2013-11-09 03:26:20 PM  

knobmaker: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

So he was framed?


Biatch set him up.
 
2013-11-09 03:26:27 PM  
Did anyone ever notice how W didn't seem to age at the typical rate of a modern US President (like 2 or 3 times faster than most people)?

It's like that deep responsibility wears down at a man on some intrinsic level, except that Bush never really felt responsibility in his position.

Looking at him now, it's starting to catch up with him. I hope this indicates some stress on his part over the mounting realization that his presidency was an awful blight to our country.

Our else just that he no longer possesses the One Ring.
 
2013-11-09 03:27:40 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: Headline says that like that's all he does:  http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/politics/africa-bush-legacy/

This of course, is a no-win situation. If he just does charitable work without making it a media spectacle, it doesn't get posted here, and people think nothing happened. If he does make a fuss about it, then he is an attention whore. See:

[static.someecards.com image 420x294]

He's got a hell of a long way to go to right all of the wrongs he has done so far.


You know what? I'm gonna say it. Fark George Bush. There is only one thing he could do at this point I would celebrate and he doesn't seem the suicidal type. Fark. Him.
 
2013-11-09 03:28:42 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: super_grass: Headline says that like that's all he does:  http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/politics/africa-bush-legacy/

This of course, is a no-win situation. If he just does charitable work without making it a media spectacle, it doesn't get posted here, and people think nothing happened. If he does make a fuss about it, then he is an attention whore. See:

[static.someecards.com image 420x294]

He's got a hell of a long way to go to right all of the wrongs he has done so far.


I'm more content with just keeping him out of the spotlight and so he isn't tempted to give input to the GOP again and pull a Palin. His extra curricular work is just a bonus.
 
2013-11-09 03:32:16 PM  

super_grass: I'm more content with just keeping him out of the spotlight and so he isn't tempted to give input to the GOP again and pull a Palin


I hope he becomes MORE involved, though I think pulling a Palin means he'll quit halfway through.
 
2013-11-09 03:49:30 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I hope he becomes MORE involved, though I think pulling a Palin means he'll quit halfway through.


Bush wouldn't quit halfway through. Stay the course and all that, even if it's an utter clusterf*ck. Pulling a Palin encourages the tourists terrorists: they'll just lay low until he leaves. And etc.
 
2013-11-09 04:16:12 PM  

super_grass: Headline says that like that's all he does:  http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/politics/africa-bush-legacy/

This of course, is a no-win situation. If he just does charitable work without making it a media spectacle, it doesn't get posted here, and people think nothing happened. If he does make a fuss about it, then he is an attention whore. See:

[static.someecards.com image 420x294]


"Sure, Hitler killed millions of Jews, but he started Germany's largest no kill animal shelter."
 
2013-11-09 04:56:01 PM  

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


He met with these freaks in the White House! He sought pastor Hagee's support in the election.
 
2013-11-09 05:06:24 PM  

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


If you speak at a group meeting, usually you believe what the group believes. If you're so craven and hard up for cash as to speak at a gathering whose beliefs you do NOT share, you're an idiot and deserve to be mocked. I would say that speaking at an end-times fundraiser means Bush probably shares their dogma.
 
2013-11-09 05:50:08 PM  
Religion makes people stupid

exibit 1: George W. Bush
 
2013-11-09 06:00:30 PM  

machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).


Bush found Jesus when he quit drinking.  He seems to have opted for a very fundamentalist version of Christianity.
 
2013-11-09 06:08:56 PM  

Bucky Katt: machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).

Bush found Jesus when he quit drinking.  He seems to have opted for a very fundamentalist version of Christianity.


He also has a track record as a useful idiot willing to be someone's mouthpiece, so this is another perfect fit.
 
2013-11-09 06:57:59 PM  

SwissArmyGnome: Did anyone ever notice how W didn't seem to age at the typical rate of a modern US President (like 2 or 3 times faster than most people)?

It's like that deep responsibility wears down at a man on some intrinsic level, except that Bush never really felt responsibility in his position.

Looking at him now, it's starting to catch up with him. I hope this indicates some stress on his part over the mounting realization that his presidency was an awful blight to our country.

Our else just that he no longer possesses the One Ring.


Meh. Sauron wouldn't even consider him worthy enough to wear one of the Nine.

/ Cheney, on the other hand...
 
2013-11-09 07:24:41 PM  

jake3988: enry * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-11-09 07:48:54 AM As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?
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Yeah, never made sense to me either.

The only people who want rapture are the non-religious (or, I guess, non-christians) so that the annoying as hell whackjobs can raptured away and we can live in peace for the rest of our lives.

Because seriously, I don't care how awesome Heaven would be, if I'm stuck in eternity with a bunch of Christians I'd rather spend it in Hell with all the fun people.


Mark Twain once suggested, "Heaven, for the climate; Hell, for the company."
 
2013-11-09 07:32:32 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: NFA: I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?

I don't think much of what happened under the Dubya administration was actually his decision.


This. NFA s idea, though, was likely the pitch that Cheney used to sell it to him.

(Just got a s/w update on my phone, and now it insists on replacing the apostrophe between 'NFA' and 's' with a blank space. What's up with that?)
 
2013-11-09 08:30:58 PM  
*peeks into thread*
Shavua tov, Farkdom. How did your Shabbat g...   O.O
*backs out slowly*
 
2013-11-09 08:38:27 PM  
Maybe GW Bush loves Messianic Jews cause they love Jesus and the Jewish ritual of sucking the blood from a freshly cut baby boy's penis.

Can someone call his wife and ask? or maybe Bloomberg? He might know...
 
2013-11-09 09:13:58 PM  

enry: Why want to be raptured


I heard there was lots of finger popping and twenty-four hour shopping. . .

/Fab-Five Freddy told me it was kinda fly.
 
2013-11-09 09:37:50 PM  
Dumbya is reduced to following Glenn Beck as the keynote speaker at the whack-job Messianic Jewish Bible Institute's annual fundraiser?

Who have now pulled their interwebz page advertising the event but who still insist it's going forward and won't confirm or deny how much if anything Dumbya is pocketing from the proceedings?

Christ, what a bunch of assholes.
 
2013-11-09 10:01:58 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: TheBigJerk: kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.

This is the guilt-by-association crap that made Jeremiah Wright national news in 2008. You can't have it both ways.

And Obama was guilty-by-association of being?

A black American Christian, full stop.

Seriously, in context Wright's sermons were standard fare for a Christian, but people don't even remember what he said beyond, "god damn America!" And that he was a scary brown fella.

But I have been repeatedly assured that EVERY SINGLE ONE of Wright's sermons were about the evils of White people, and that Fartblahblah was sitting front and center for EVERY SINGLE ONE.


Blahbitdy blah blah, blah blah blah...Bippity bingo,  blah blah blah, what ever... go back to your neanderthal web site where all you cave dwellers chafe...and thats an insult to neanderthals and cave dwellers...Fn bigot...
 
2013-11-09 10:06:54 PM  
Look rational people know Dubya would have sent us to oblivion. As someone mentioned: He had the codes! The only thing that stopped him was glasnost. If we hadn't made peace with the russlies he would have done it. It was enough just to have the few sane people in his cabinet stop him and Darth and Rummy from nuking Iran for pete's sake...The guy is an below average tool who is manipulated by sociopathic malevolents ...!!
 
2013-11-09 10:29:57 PM  
Yay, let's trick God into ending the world to spite all the slutwhores and sinners!!!
 
2013-11-09 11:31:38 PM  

burning_bridge: Yay, let's trick God into ending the world to spite all the slutwhores and sinners!!!


thats exactly their mindset...thanks even if you were trolling you nailed their point...
 
2013-11-09 11:58:06 PM  

enry: IIRC he's Episcopal, which I find to be one of the 'saner' ones


Episcopalians allow gay clergy and aren't creationists.  I seriously doubt GWB is an Episcopalian.
 
2013-11-10 12:09:29 AM  

flondrix: enry: IIRC he's Episcopal, which I find to be one of the 'saner' ones

Episcopalians allow gay clergy and aren't creationists.  I seriously doubt GWB is an Episcopalian.


Ah, you're right (about W's religion).  He was Episcopal until 1977, and is now a Methodist.
 
2013-11-10 12:52:54 AM  

enry: flondrix: enry: IIRC he's Episcopal, which I find to be one of the 'saner' ones

Episcopalians allow gay clergy and aren't creationists.  I seriously doubt GWB is an Episcopalian.

Ah, you're right (about W's religion).  He was Episcopal until 1977, and is now a Methodist.


As a Methodist myself, I never believed he acted like one at all.
 
2013-11-10 01:20:37 AM  

super_grass: Headline says that like that's all he does:  http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/02/politics/africa-bush-legacy/

This of course, is a no-win situation. If he just does charitable work without making it a media spectacle, it doesn't get posted here, and people think nothing happened. If he does make a fuss about it, then he is an attention whore. See:

[static.someecards.com image 420x294]


1) This wasn't him making a fuss about about his charitable works, this was him taking money to participate in a fundraiser for a private group who want to hasten the end of the world

2) That's clearly a piece of bread, not crackers.  Is that the "joke"?  That 'everything they do is offensive' even if the thing you're objecting to isn't something they're actually doing?
 
2013-11-10 01:22:30 AM  

Alphax: As a Methodist myself, I never believed he acted like one at all.


There was a sort of madness to his Methodism.

*ducks*
 
2013-11-10 01:34:48 AM  

quatchi: Alphax: As a Methodist myself, I never believed he acted like one at all.

There was a sort of madness to his Methodism.

*ducks*


(rimshot)
 
2013-11-10 04:00:53 AM  

ArgusRun: mamoru: enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?

Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made?

I think it's more that the rapture would finally be proof to believers and non-believers alike that the believers were right.  Faith is hard.  Even harder in modern times when once miraculous natural phenomena are easily explainable by science.  The rapture is their "I told you so."

I almost feel bad for them.  To wait their entire lives for something that will never come.


So kinda like Cubs fans?
 
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