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2013-11-09 11:01:41 AM

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


"atheists, agnostics and liberals"

I can see the spittle flying out of your mouth as you hurl what you think are hate-filled slurs out of your mouth.

I can also hear your frenzied future railing about Obama when he gets paid to make speeches after leaving office to groups of "atheists, agnostics and liberals," which is to say, groups who don't drool with delight at the prospect of the Earth being destroyed by a vengeful god.
 
2013-11-09 11:01:47 AM

Bartman66: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

THIS
AND from MSNBC... and it's anti Bush and Religion??? shocker.
funny but is this somehow a way to distract from what is going on now???
Now if Bush was going around the world promoting this on a daily basis like carter and not just attending an event than maybe this might have something to cry about.... otherwise..meh.


If you're not 'anti-Bush', you're a bad person.

If your religion calls for converting people to bring about the end of the world, you're a madman.
 
2013-11-09 11:04:40 AM

kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: He's allowed to say "no, you're all crazy," you know. And when he takes their money it's an implicit endorsement of their views. Unless you think it's fine for him to speak in front of, say, a Klan rally just because he's getting paid to do so.

Eh. I don't like anyone involved in this, but I don't really think that's the case. Like a lot of paid speakers, I doubt he has anything at all to do with the booking, and doesn't know who his audience is until the engagement is immediately on the horizon.


Him not bothering to pay attention to his own schedule is no excuse. Incompetence wasn't an excuse for his presidency either.
 
2013-11-09 11:05:21 AM

spmkk: subby: If you find yourself having to resort to, "All hail the great Carter!" to lay the groundwork for your "This makes Bush a crazy religious extremist" case, it's a pretty good indication that your case might not have a lot of merit.


1) There are four living former Presidents.  The article compared three of them.  Even if they had left Carter out and used George H. W. Bush instead, it still would make W look bad, as his old man is chairman for Points of Light.

2) Just because Carter effed up a lot of things doesn't change the fact that Habitat for Humanity does good work and helps many people.

3) "All hail the great Carter!" is a strawman, and you should feel bad for having to resort to that.
 
2013-11-09 11:06:12 AM

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


Atheists when polled are among the most knowledgeable people on religion. Evangelicals typically poll as among the least.

Your assumptions need adjustment.
 
2013-11-09 11:07:43 AM

Bartman66: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

THIS
AND from MSNBC... and it's anti Bush and Religion??? shocker.
funny but is this somehow a way to distract from what is going on now???
Now if Bush was going around the world promoting this on a daily basis like carter and not just attending an event than maybe this might have something to cry about.... otherwise..meh.


Carter walked around every day promoting the end of the world? You must have taken an entirely different U.S. history class than everybody else in the history of ever.
 
2013-11-09 11:08:59 AM
ITT people are pissed that other people are still not worshipping their Messiabush.
 
2013-11-09 11:10:04 AM

Zombalupagus: enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.

I've never understood this kind of thinking either. If you live your life a certain way then what difference does it make whether you're killed by the Apocalypse or hit by a bus?


The Rapture appeals because it means they can stick it to everyone who is not Elect.  These people are nothing if not spiteful and resentful of the rest of society.
 
2013-11-09 11:12:46 AM

kronicfeld: NFA: I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?  With his religious extremism, did he feel he was doing god's work?  It's hard to imagine it didn't exist in his mind, perhaps he never said it out loud but it's hard to imagine it wasn't there..

For all his faults and failures, I don't think he was a religious extremist. He made a point of trying to quell - or at the very least not exacerbate - the anti-Muslim hysteria from the true extremists.



9/16/2001 George Bush Jr. said:
"This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while. And the American people must be patient, I am going to be patient."

Bush and his cronies have repeatedly used the language of religion to describe his actions and motivations for going into Iraq.
http://www.alternet.org/story/140221/bush's_shocking_biblical_prophe cy _emerges:_god_wants_to_"erase"_mid-east_enemies_"before_a_new_age_begi ns"
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

i.dailymail.co.uk
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There's a website called the http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/ that's been aggressively reporting stories about the pervasive evangelical mindset throughout the military, including back when Bush and Rummie were waving around their Bibles and calling for a crusade in Iraq.
 
2013-11-09 11:16:14 AM
Over my lifetime, I have read and studied as much as I could on not just Christianity but also Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and others.  There are several things that have become pillars in protestant dogma that I do not believe are accurate nor based in the beliefs and practices of the early church.

The rapture is one of those things.  This was not in anyway part of church dogma until sometime in the 1800's when Darby came up with it.  Not only is it a new belief as far as church doctrine goes, it has corrupted and divided the church's relationship to society.  It bestows upon those who believe it a get out of jail free card.  This was a key part of turning "the good news message" into "turn or burn".  It separated the church in what I think is a more negative way from society at large.

The book of Revelation aka The Apocalypse according to John is not and was not written to be a blow by blow prophecy of how the end of the world would take place.  Apocalyptic writing is a well known genre of Jewish religious writing at the time.  It was almost always written for the faithful during a time of great hardship and oppression.  It is to encourage them to remain strong and that God will deliver them in the end.  Since this gospel was written to people being really oppressed and killed by Nero, it makes perfect sense.  This book was almost left out of the cannon completely because it is the only place where Jesus is shown in a violent manner.  I wish they had left it out.  It has also been perverted into to the fear based "turn or burn" message while also sheltering the actions of some church leaders who injure or oppress those outside the church.  Today it is clear that far too many Christians prefer Revelation Jesus to "Sermon on the Mount" Jesus.

The "inerrant word" bible reading.  No doctrine has done the opposite of what it's supporters claim, or driven people away from the faith than this one.  Simply put... it is impossible to be 100% literal.  No, this "doctrine" is applied very subjectively.  It has sown seeds of conflict between the church and society for as long as it has been practiced.  It makes the faithful look absurd and hypocritical. Demanding that Genesis be treated as a scientific treatise on the "PROCESS" of creation while today the church has taken the words "treat your neighbor as thy self" as an endorsement for putting yourself first and turning the poor of the gospels into no more than people poor in spirit and not people who are outcast of society who are in need.  It also destroys or greatly obfuscates many if not all of the spiritual messages of books such as Genesis by forcing them into the absurd position of being a narration of events.  This destroys the real intent of the book while simultaneously sowing discord between the church and society, thus destroying the very thing this doctrine claims to hold in such high veneration.  Look at these words from the architect of Christian theology from the Roman empire and see how much we have degressed instead of progressed.

It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation.  - St. Augustine  early 5th century.

I believe in the message of love and hope of Jesus, but they hate me because I do not simply accept their authority to speak for him and when they conflict I always go with old school Jesus.  If I look around me and see the rejected, hated, voiceless, oppressed, and poor of my day, I can take heart that I am in the right place.
 
2013-11-09 11:16:25 AM

kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

God isn't going to buttf*ck you.


No, but Father Tim might.
 
2013-11-09 11:17:40 AM
A third or more of the comments here are responses to posts by two individuals who made inflammatory claims and then disappeared. If only there was a word for that.
 
2013-11-09 11:18:21 AM

MrBallou: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

I love these preemptive strikes where right wingers declare that you're a poopyhead whose opinion is meaningless in advance.. Right out of the Beck/Limpbaugh/Goebbels playbook.


Step two:  run from the thread!  Don't risk encountering anyone who might not fall into one of you simplistic stereotypes!

Step three:  continue to feel smugly superior.
 
2013-11-09 11:22:52 AM
I try to be a tolerant, open-minded person, and I recognize that it's OK for people to practice beliefs that aren't mine.  I don't want to be the guy who judges how other people pray.

And then there are Jews for Jesus, the people who target my people for indoctrination specifically and pervert the name of Judaism.  The religious equivalent of stalkers.  I cannot bring myself to appreciate what they do for one second.  Other faiths don't offend me, but these guys' actions patently offend me.

But there isn't anything I can do about it.  I'm not surprised Dubya is taking their money.  And if he actually agrees with their whole 'indoctrinate other people of the book' thing, well, then... ugh, I never want to hear about him again in my life.
 
2013-11-09 11:28:49 AM

BMulligan: A third or more of the comments here are responses to posts by two individuals who made inflammatory claims and then disappeared. If only there was a word for that.


There is.  It's called "fark."

/welcome to
//but I agree with you
 
2013-11-09 11:32:09 AM
gunslinger_RG: <snip>


That is a long, rational, well thought out point of view. So, like all such posts on Fark, most people will ignore it.
 
2013-11-09 11:32:31 AM
As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.
 
2013-11-09 11:35:12 AM
It's just a word firewall for what really happens at these events.

Muslim Makeout sessions and a chance to Kiss Bush.

www.hermes-press.com
 
2013-11-09 11:35:29 AM

LucklessWonder: As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.


I hate to tell you this, but the "bodily resurrections" are also bullsh*t.
 
2013-11-09 11:36:20 AM
This dude had the launch codes.
 
2013-11-09 11:38:03 AM
Don't Troll Me Bro!:
3) "All hail the great Carter!" is a strawman, and you should feel bad for having to resort to that.

Well, they worship politicians, so they assume we do too.

/see also: Obama the messiah
 
2013-11-09 11:38:25 AM
imageshack.us
 
2013-11-09 11:43:52 AM

Phil Moskowitz: This dude had the launch codes.


Nah, those were the UPC numbers off the box of Lucky Charms he'd had for breakfast the day he moved in.
 
2013-11-09 11:46:08 AM

cameroncrazy1984: LucklessWonder: As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.

I hate to tell you this, but the "bodily resurrections" are also bullsh*t.


Possibly. But it's at least Biblical.
 
2013-11-09 11:48:21 AM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Zombalupagus: enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.

I've never understood this kind of thinking either. If you live your life a certain way then what difference does it make whether you're killed by the Apocalypse or hit by a bus?

The Rapture appeals because it means they can stick it to everyone who is not Elect.  These people are nothing if not spiteful and resentful of the rest of society.


I would argue the notion of a wicked Creation being allowed to continue past a believer's life is deeply troubling to them. They've been charged with cleaning up Earth (metaphorically, of course) and they want, in the worlds of Travis Bickle, a "real rain to come and wash the scum off of the streets".

It would be hard to enjoy Heaven knowing there's still sinners having a good time back on Earth.
 
2013-11-09 11:50:06 AM
Believe what you please, just don't base foreign policy decisions on your rapture doctrine.
 
2013-11-09 11:55:08 AM
if Jesus actually came back i feel like the first thing he'd do is tell all the religious extremists in the world to fark off
 
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2013-11-09 11:56:20 AM

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


Fine, you don't believe in integrity. Many people do. How much cash would it take to get you to speak before a truly reprehensible group you allegedly disagree with, like this one, NAMBLA or ALEC? $50? $75? $100? We've determined what Bush is, we're just haggling over the price.
 
2013-11-09 11:56:29 AM

Darth Macho: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Zombalupagus: enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.

I've never understood this kind of thinking either. If you live your life a certain way then what difference does it make whether you're killed by the Apocalypse or hit by a bus?

The Rapture appeals because it means they can stick it to everyone who is not Elect.  These people are nothing if not spiteful and resentful of the rest of society.

I would argue the notion of a wicked Creation being allowed to continue past a believer's life is deeply troubling to them. They've been charged with cleaning up Earth (metaphorically, of course) and they want, in the worlds of Travis Bickle, a "real rain to come and wash the scum off of the streets".

It would be hard to enjoy Heaven knowing there's still sinners having a good time back on Earth.


That's the point of the Rapture. The saved are taken up bodily, the rest are left to fight out apocalypse in the end of days.  The characters in the Left Behind series aren't the elect, they are the ones worth saving who still have work to do, and must fight Satan on earth.
 
2013-11-09 11:58:32 AM

LucklessWonder: cameroncrazy1984: LucklessWonder: As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.

I hate to tell you this, but the "bodily resurrections" are also bullsh*t.

Possibly. But it's at least Biblical.


Biblical, but I'd like to point out, not in the gospels.  And even in Biblical terms, I'm not sure how concrete the language was on the whole idea that your flesh would be reassembled and made immortal.  One thing I'm sure of, that is not in the gospels.
 
2013-11-09 12:02:42 PM

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.


good comments...really! I have been hearing about the imminent 'rapture' since I was in 10th grade in 1975. Actually the Bible never uses the word rapture in their context anywhere in it and Jesus himself said he doesn't even know the time it will be. So these loony wackaloons as you call them are difying Christ's own message of "don't worry about it." When I explain that to holy rollers I know they either get angry or quiet...
 
2013-11-09 12:02:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: LucklessWonder: As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.

I hate to tell you this, but the "bodily resurrections" are also bullsh*t.



IIRC in the  Apocalypse of Peter everyone gets new bodies.  So bodies but not the old ugly ass used ones.
 
2013-11-09 12:05:58 PM

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: That's the point of the Rapture. The saved are taken up bodily, the rest are left to fight out apocalypse in the end of days. The characters in the Left Behind series aren't the elect, they are the ones worth saving who still have work to do, and must fight Satan on earth.


Which is why Republicans are such shiatty human beings and love guns and ammo so much.

They have to be just shiatty enough to be left behind so they can pump Satan full of lead.
 
2013-11-09 12:08:09 PM

HypnozombieX: Believing that the world is coming to an end is one thing, but looking forward to it and doing anything you can to hasten it is particularly  twisted. Also important to mention that when some of them warn about "Gods wrath" what they mean is "Bubbas gunna shoot them quars with his ol' 12 gauge once the mean ol guberment stops interferin with his constituional rights".


hilariously funny...good post. I'm still laughing!
 
2013-11-09 12:18:41 PM

cheeseaholic: cameroncrazy1984: LucklessWonder: As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.

I hate to tell you this, but the "bodily resurrections" are also bullsh*t.


IIRC in the  Apocalypse of Peter everyone gets new bodies.  So bodies but not the old ugly ass used ones.


Well sure, but it was supposed to happen within the lifetimes of the Apostles, right? Ergo, bullsh*t.
 
2013-11-09 12:20:14 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: The My Little Pony Killer: We already know that GW Bush is retarded though.

"I read this, and you give me a bag of money? Okay, then."


Bush being talked into making a poorly researched, impulsive decision that he doesn't quite understand, based merely on its financial benefits, without considering its long-term ramifications?  Hmm, where have I heard that before?
 
2013-11-09 12:32:11 PM

Gergesa: If anyone remembers those left behind books, a critic of them pointed out that in the series, certain passages betrayed a stark fear of death.  The rapture has its appeal in certain circles because getting raptured means not having to die.


I'd broaden that to include "religion" in general. If we were immortal, most of us would have no psychological need for god(s), IMHO.
 
2013-11-09 12:32:17 PM
I'm willing to bet that someone with the handle "Sauron was Framed" is trolling you guys
 
2013-11-09 12:34:12 PM

Hobodeluxe: machoprogrammer: 

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).

that makes it okay? as long as you're getting paid?


If he was getting paid and the title of the speech was "Why You Cosmically-Paranoid Medieval Loons Have Missed the Entire Point of God," that would make it okay.
 
2013-11-09 12:42:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: cheeseaholic: cameroncrazy1984: LucklessWonder: As a Christian, I just want to point out that The Rapture is non-Biblical bullshiat that directly contradicts the bodily resurrections prophesied in Revelation and as taught by Christ in all 4 gospels.

I hate to tell you this, but the "bodily resurrections" are also bullsh*t.


IIRC in the  Apocalypse of Peter everyone gets new bodies.  So bodies but not the old ugly ass used ones.

Well sure, but it was supposed to happen within the lifetimes of the Apostles, right? Ergo, bullsh*t.


Well, yes, but we're dealing with an assumption of the literal truth of Christian holy texts, so no.  Also most groups like this are masters of doublethink.
 
2013-11-09 12:46:48 PM
Many years ago I had a cat with a really loud meow. I wanted to name him Apocalyp so that whenever he made that noise it would be "Apocalyp's Meow." Then girlfriend/current wife wouldn't let me.

As for the all-knowing God thing, I think it's fairly implicit in evangelical Christian thought that God is not all-knowing. If God were all-knowing there would be no such thing as free will and free will, the ability to accept or reject Jesus, is the core of fundamentalist belief. This underlies their rejection of evolution as well; evolution implies that God does not exist or that He is exists but is a Prime Mover who set things in motion in such a way as to ensure the eventual appearance of human beings. The first option is obviously unacceptable but the second option precludes free will, and so is equally unacceptable. Frankly, any religion which requires being on a first name basis with God is going to run into trouble, but that's another story.
 
2013-11-09 12:47:15 PM
Of course it's obvious he's not a member and probably has no comprehension of their mission.  He probably thinks they're just a group of ethnically Jewish Christians.  He was paid money to be there - paid for his name, in essence.  He has people to arrange these things, he just shows up.

And that's what actually bothers me.  If you're going to whore out your name and whore out the prestige of the office of President, be more careful about who your johns are, assholes.
 
2013-11-09 12:53:45 PM

Bartman66: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

THIS
AND from MSNBC... and it's anti Bush and Religion??? shocker.
funny but is this somehow a way to distract from what is going on now???
Now if Bush was going around the world promoting this on a daily basis like carter and not just attending an event than maybe this might have something to cry about.... otherwise..meh.


Actually, it doesn't really matter who reported it. The information comes from Google cache from the website of the organizers. So, Bush 2 was their keynote speaker. Credibility doesn't enter into it as to whether it happened. The MSNBC and Mother Jones bias toward the left, while acknowledged, is irrelevant. By assuming that role, Bush tacitly endorsed their organization. Again, that is not in serious dispute. He did it. There he is, large as life, doing it. The webpages being taken down so quickly implies to me that George slipped his handlers...
 
2013-11-09 12:55:18 PM
Habitat for Humanity?  Pftt - that's not even one of the top two most interesting thing's Carter's done since leaving the White House.

See this thing here?
static.guim.co.uk

That's called a guinea worm.  It's been a plague on mankind since .... well since the was a mankind.  The Carter Center has lead eradication efforts since the mid 80's (when there were three and a half million cases a year).  For 2013, as on August 31st, there's been one hundred and fifteen.  Jonas Salk eradicated polio, Edward Jenner made the smallpox vaccine, some nameless guy killed the last dodo - and Jimmy Carter worked to eradicate this bugger.  "People who've successfully managed to commit speciecide" is probably a smaller list than "people who've been Presidents of the US".

The Carter Center has also done a lot of work fighting trachoma - blindness caused by flies around the eyes like you see in all those "25 cents a day can save the life of a child" commercials.  To do so, it has constructed some 2.9 million latrines worldwide ... which to the best of my knowledge makes JImmy Carter the leading shiat-house builder in the history of the world.
 
2013-11-09 12:57:34 PM

SauronWasFramed: filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters


When it comes to discussions of gods and afterlives, even the religious have zero comprehension of such things since they are talking out of their asses.  Oh wait, some very superstitious people a long time ago wrote a book that is the authoritative answer for all these matters.  Silly me.  Carry on religious people.
 
2013-11-09 01:04:20 PM
Another prominent Republican exemplifies the utter worthlessness of that party in the overall context of today's America.
 
2013-11-09 01:17:26 PM

spmkk: subby: If you find yourself having to resort to, "All hail the great Carter!" to lay the groundwork for your "This makes Bush a crazy religious extremist" case, it's a pretty good indication that your case might not have a lot of merit.


Say what you will about Carter as a president. Post office his record and works are something all Americans should take pride in. For the record, I do agree that Bush was not an extremist. He was, however a zealous fundementalist (and likely still is). They are the folks who have taken a very, very few isolated verses of prophesy and converted them into the doctrine of the "rapture". It is not a mainstream Christian doctrine outside the US. BTW, relying on the Revelation of John alone it would be impossible to build a case for the rapture. In order to do so you need to cherry pick isolated verses from Daniel (in particular), that then need to be removed from the context of the Babylonian captivity where they actually fit, and apply them to the mysticism of Revelations. At best the connection is tenous and entirely based on derivatives of questionable translations of second and third hand accounts. Making "The Rapture" a pillar and basis of your faith is cultish at best. The Revelation of St. John is intended to be an account of a vision of the end of days, but sorry, it nowhere speaks of the rapture.
 
2013-11-09 01:18:59 PM
We shouldn't even be allowing religious nuts to become President in the first place any more.
 
2013-11-09 01:26:27 PM

jso2897: kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

God isn't going to buttf*ck you.

He would if you gave him half a chance. You and your whole family.


Settle down, Job. You're speaking crazy.
 
2013-11-09 01:29:56 PM

TheBigJerk: kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.

This is the guilt-by-association crap that made Jeremiah Wright national news in 2008. You can't have it both ways.

And Obama was guilty-by-association of being?

A black American Christian, full stop.

Seriously, in context Wright's sermons were standard fare for a Christian, but people don't even remember what he said beyond, "god damn America!" And that he was a scary brown fella.


But I have been repeatedly assured that EVERY SINGLE ONE of Wright's sermons were about the evils of White people, and that Fartblahblah was sitting front and center for EVERY SINGLE ONE.
 
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