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(MSNBC)   Carter has his Habitat for Humanity. Clinton has his Global Initiative. GW Bush does fundraising for an apocalyptic evangelical group that wants money to convert Jews to Christianity so Jesus will come back   (msnbc.com) divider line 203
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2013-11-09 09:12:46 AM  

Vacation Bible School: enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.

Doesn't this run counter to every other belief they may hold? If you believe that you were created with a purpose, part of some great plan, then refusing to do anything with your life, talents and abilities is an affront to God and everything he had given you. And doesn't it also contradict an idea of an all-powerful, all-knowing God? When his hand can be forced by man's actions? Does God have a checklist for the apocalypse? "Well I was planning on going golfing today but it seems they finally got that last Jew. Peter, can you hold the fort? BRB"


Too much thought.  This is just the logical extension of the Santa Claus version of Religion.  If you're good in life, you get rewarded in heaven, even if life is utter shiat, you get rewarded in heaven.   Christianity used this doctrine in a lot of eras to keep society, which included a lot of peasants living in shiat, together.

Problem is: Anyone who has enough time/thought to plan ahead realizes, "hey, if life sucks until heaven, if heaven is my goal, I need to get their as quick as possible."

And there we go, suicide to get to heaven.  So Suicide became a particularly grievous SIN to keep people from doing it.  But The Rapture is an "out" so people who are actually living great lives, but not PERFECT lives, chase it.  And they rationalize what is ultimately a cult of selfishness and self-destruction into a "greater good" because, after all, God wants to destroy satan and bring about a truly perfect kingdom upon the earth and that would be the ultimate infinite good, so kick-starting it is heroic and good instead of selfish and evil.
 
2013-11-09 09:16:18 AM  

Wyalt Derp: I hope he still has the Mission Accomplished banner for when Our Lord returns.


Nice touch.
 
2013-11-09 09:18:19 AM  
And when his humble tv servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
It's okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
'cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to hebbin!
(depending on which book you're using at the
Time...can't use theirs... it don't work
...it's all lies...gotta use mine...)
Ain't that right?
That's what they say
Every night...
Every day...
Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following god's orders
Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here
An' the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,
So...
If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(an' maybe even a little ugly on the side)
 
2013-11-09 09:18:37 AM  
"This is my son with whom I am well pleased." - Rand Paul
 
2013-11-09 09:19:42 AM  
"Life was filled with guns and war
And all of us got trampled on the floor
I wish we'd all been ready
Children died the days grew cold
A piece of bread could buy a bag of gold
I wish we'd all been ready "

-- Rand Paul
 
2013-11-09 09:20:07 AM  

MrBallou: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

I love these preemptive strikes where right wingers declare that you're a poopyhead whose opinion is meaningless in advance.. Right out of the Beck/Limpbaugh/Goebbels playbook.


He's just applying the Bush Doctrine to the discussion.
 
2013-11-09 09:23:53 AM  
"hi, i'm george w. bush."

-- rand paul
 
2013-11-09 09:24:23 AM  
I bet Jimmy Kimmel will be there.
 
2013-11-09 09:24:47 AM  

machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).


that makes it okay? as long as you're getting paid?
 
2013-11-09 09:24:52 AM  
enry * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-11-09 07:48:54 AM As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?
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Yeah, never made sense to me either.

The only people who want rapture are the non-religious (or, I guess, non-christians) so that the annoying as hell whackjobs can raptured away and we can live in peace for the rest of our lives.

Because seriously, I don't care how awesome Heaven would be, if I'm stuck in eternity with a bunch of Christians I'd rather spend it in Hell with all the fun people.
 
2013-11-09 09:29:22 AM  
Jews for Jesus?

i1.ytimg.com

/How about Buddhism?
 
2013-11-09 09:38:33 AM  

kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

God isn't going to buttf*ck you.


Strange Story, Bro Time

We had this friend in high school, let's call him "Danny".  Danny was weird.  I mean, we were all weird, nerdy kids, but he was  weird.  This was an age before Columbine, so wearing all black with a black trench coat to school was just strange.  Ours was the table that played Magic: The Gathering at lunch.  Another of our friends was weird and nerdy, but his family was also very religious.  Danny was experimenting with Neo-Druidism, as an upper-middle-class 16-year-old is prone to do.

One day, our religious buddy asks Danny if he's ever known God.  I don't know what clicked in Danny's brain, but he suddenly gets real loud and says "GOD?  I KNOW GOD!"

(He was shouting this for all of the cafeteria to hear, but I don't feel like typing this in all caps.)

"God came to me, in the middle of the night one night, and he said 'Danny!', and I said 'God!', and he said 'Danny!', and I said 'God!', and he said 'Danny!',  and I said 'God!', and he said 'Danny...BEND OVER!', and I did, you know, because he was God...and that's when God anally raped me!!!  So yes, I can tell you that I have felt the lovin' of the Lord and I have felt God inside me!!!"

At that point, Danny sat down and continued to eat his square cardboard pizza.  About three-quarters of the student body in that cafeteria sat there with a mixture of horror and sheer "what the FARK just happened" on their faces, and about one-quarter of the kids were clutching their sides from laughter.
 
2013-11-09 09:38:37 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


This comment is pathetic on so many levels. The most glaringly obvious being the shiat talking about non - spiritual people while excusing Bush and his fake religiosity for a pay check
 
2013-11-09 09:38:41 AM  

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


He's allowed to say "no, you're all crazy," you know. And when he takes their money it's an implicit endorsement of their views. Unless you think it's fine for him to speak in front of, say, a Klan rally just because he's getting paid to do so.
 
2013-11-09 09:38:43 AM  
Believing that the world is coming to an end is one thing, but looking forward to it and doing anything you can to hasten it is particularly  twisted. Also important to mention that when some of them warn about "Gods wrath" what they mean is "Bubbas gunna shoot them quars with his ol' 12 gauge once the mean ol guberment stops interferin with his constituional rights".
 
2013-11-09 09:40:40 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


We comprehend spiritual matters better than you, that's why we're atheist or agnostic.
 
2013-11-09 09:46:37 AM  
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2013-11-09 09:51:21 AM  

JesusJuice: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

We comprehend spiritual matters better than you, that's why we're atheist or agnostic.


I'd say my comprehension of spiritual and religious matters is what directly led to me forsaking faith and becoming an atheist.

/Mom is Catholic, Dad has been pentecostal, southern baptist, "non-denominational", and southern baptist again. Get familiar with enough Christian religions and pretty soon you figure out all religions are full of shiat.
 
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2013-11-09 09:52:59 AM  
I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?  With his religious extremism, did he feel he was doing god's work?  It's hard to imagine it didn't exist in his mind, perhaps he never said it out loud but it's hard to imagine it wasn't there..
 
2013-11-09 09:59:59 AM  

NFA: I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?


I don't think much of what happened under the Dubya administration was actually his decision.
 
2013-11-09 10:00:39 AM  

NFA: I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?  With his religious extremism, did he feel he was doing god's work?  It's hard to imagine it didn't exist in his mind, perhaps he never said it out loud but it's hard to imagine it wasn't there..


We had already destroyed all of their good stuff in 91. They thought it would be easy, and it kind of was (the initial assault). They just never realized how hard holding ground was. That's what General Shinseki was trying to explain to them with his 38 years of service experience. They just didn't care to listen.
 
2013-11-09 10:06:39 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: He's allowed to say "no, you're all crazy," you know. And when he takes their money it's an implicit endorsement of their views. Unless you think it's fine for him to speak in front of, say, a Klan rally just because he's getting paid to do so.


Eh. I don't like anyone involved in this, but I don't really think that's the case. Like a lot of paid speakers, I doubt he has anything at all to do with the booking, and doesn't know who his audience is until the engagement is immediately on the horizon.
 
2013-11-09 10:07:44 AM  

UNC_Samurai: I don't know what clicked in Danny's brain, but he suddenly gets real loud and says "GOD? I KNOW GOD!"


Pretty simple. Same reason my father, the first time he was asked to do laundry, made sure to put something as red as he could find in with the whites. Do something badly enough, or weirdly enough, and nobody will ever ask you to do it again.

/   CSB: When a college friend of mine, a vegan, tried to (gently) scold me for eating meat, I went on a mock teary rant about how plants have to sit there and take the abuse, and at least the animals can try to fight back or run away.
//   He took it like a man.
 
2013-11-09 10:08:55 AM  

hubcity: George W. Bush: The gift that keeps on giving.


"...wisdom and understanding on a level we had not known..."

Yup.
 
2013-11-09 10:10:25 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


THIS
AND from MSNBC... and it's anti Bush and Religion??? shocker.
funny but is this somehow a way to distract from what is going on now???
Now if Bush was going around the world promoting this on a daily basis like carter and not just attending an event than maybe this might have something to cry about.... otherwise..meh.
 
2013-11-09 10:10:36 AM  

NFA: I wonder what portion of Bush's decision to invade Iraq, was driven by the thought of exterminating a large number of Muslims?  With his religious extremism, did he feel he was doing god's work?  It's hard to imagine it didn't exist in his mind, perhaps he never said it out loud but it's hard to imagine it wasn't there..


For all his faults and failures, I don't think he was a religious extremist. He made a point of trying to quell - or at the very least not exacerbate - the anti-Muslim hysteria from the true extremists.
 
2013-11-09 10:11:27 AM  

kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: He's allowed to say "no, you're all crazy," you know. And when he takes their money it's an implicit endorsement of their views. Unless you think it's fine for him to speak in front of, say, a Klan rally just because he's getting paid to do so.

Eh. I don't like anyone involved in this, but I don't really think that's the case. Like a lot of paid speakers, I doubt he has anything at all to do with the booking, and doesn't know who his audience is until the engagement is immediately on the horizon.


And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.
 
2013-11-09 10:13:48 AM  

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.


Hey! There's no place for that kind of moderation here on Fark.
 
2013-11-09 10:13:59 AM  

kronicfeld: Eh. I don't like anyone involved in this, but I don't really think that's the case. Like a lot of paid speakers, I doubt he has anything at all to do with the booking, and doesn't know who his audience is until the engagement is immediately on the horizon.


And like most booking agents, I don't think Dubya's looked all that closely at where the money was coming from before accepting the booking. He/she saw "christian group" and left it at that.
 
2013-11-09 10:17:30 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.


This is the guilt-by-association crap that made Jeremiah Wright national news in 2008. You can't have it both ways.
 
2013-11-09 10:22:12 AM  

kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.

This is the guilt-by-association crap that made Jeremiah Wright national news in 2008. You can't have it both ways.


What do you mean? Bush  willingly chose to speak and get paid for speaking at an event by an extremist Christian group. Jeremiah Wright gave a sermon that white people didn't like.
 
2013-11-09 10:27:43 AM  

kronicfeld: For all his faults and failures, I don't think he was a religious extremist. He made a point of trying to quell - or at the very least not exacerbate - the anti-Muslim hysteria from the true extremists.


He's doing fundraisers for people seeking to end the world and all his underlings put Bible verses every other page in their intelligence and war status reports every other page so he wouldn't get distracted.
 
2013-11-09 10:27:56 AM  
"Apocalypse" doesn't mean "end of the world".  It means "revelation".  You can have an apocalypse about the ingredients in three-bean salad.  Hint:  there are three beans in it.
 
2013-11-09 10:29:46 AM  
subby: If you find yourself having to resort to, "All hail the great Carter!" to lay the groundwork for your "This makes Bush a crazy religious extremist" case, it's a pretty good indication that your case might not have a lot of merit.
 
2013-11-09 10:31:14 AM  

enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?


Because death is scary, and deep down they have some doubts.
 
2013-11-09 10:31:36 AM  

enry: it's really strange seeing teenagers people not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon.


I went to this "church" for a bit where the "pastor" (no church, no education, no real credentials...just the guy we followed for some reason) and his wife went out and charged something like $15,000 of new furniture that they had no way to pay for. When asked "How in the hell are you going to pay for all that?" he answered in seriousness "It's not going to be an issue. Jesus is coming back before the bill will come due.

This happened in 1984. Heh.
 
2013-11-09 10:33:07 AM  

spmkk: subby: If you find yourself having to resort to, "All hail the great Carter!" to lay the groundwork for your "This makes Bush a crazy religious extremist" case, it's a pretty good indication that your case might not have a lot of merit.


I'm curious as to which other living, non-wheelchair-bound, former president you think he should have chosen instead of Carter to make a direct apples-to-apples comparison to Bush's post-presidency activities?
 
2013-11-09 10:33:23 AM  

Bartman66: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

THIS
AND from MSNBC... and it's anti Bush and Religion??? shocker.
funny but is this somehow a way to distract from what is going on now???
Now if Bush was going around the world promoting this on a daily basis like carter and not just attending an event than maybe this might have something to cry about.... otherwise..meh.


Anti-Religion?  I'll be the Jews are getting a kick out of this.  But yeah, being the keynote speaker is just attending.  George W isn't going to fark you.  Unless you give him enough money in speaker fees.
 
2013-11-09 10:34:09 AM  

kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.

This is the guilt-by-association crap that made Jeremiah Wright national news in 2008. You can't have it both ways.


And Obama was guilty-by-association of being?

A black American Christian, full stop.

Seriously, in context Wright's sermons were standard fare for a Christian, but people don't even remember what he said beyond, "god damn America!" And that he was a scary brown fella.
 
2013-11-09 10:35:58 AM  

syrynxx: "Apocalypse" doesn't mean "end of the world".  It means "revelation".  You can have an apocalypse about the ingredients in three-bean salad.  Hint:  there are three beans in it.


Someone's been reading comics about shape-shifting squirrel-girls...
 
2013-11-09 10:38:47 AM  

TheBigJerk: kronicfeld: cameroncrazy1984: And he can still say no. Or at least tell the person who booked the engagement that he doesn't agree with that orgs views and he has to cancel. But he went ahead with it and it's a fair assumption that meant he was fine with the organization.

This is the guilt-by-association crap that made Jeremiah Wright national news in 2008. You can't have it both ways.

And Obama was guilty-by-association of being?

A black American Christian, full stop.

Seriously, in context Wright's sermons were standard fare for a Christian, but people don't even remember what he said beyond, "god damn America!" And that he was a scary brown fella.


To be fair Wright was blaming atrocities committed by the US government and not the usual gays, abortionists, ACLU, and feminists.  Then it would be standard Christian fare.
 
2013-11-09 10:41:38 AM  

MooseUpNorth: spmkk: subby: If you find yourself having to resort to, "All hail the great Carter!" to lay the groundwork for your "This makes Bush a crazy religious extremist" case, it's a pretty good indication that your case might not have a lot of merit.

I'm curious as to which other living, non-wheelchair-bound, former president you think he should have chosen instead of Carter to make a direct apples-to-apples comparison to Bush's post-presidency activities?


The name "Carter" has been a whipping boy for so long the right doesn't even understand it anymore.  He was always "below Reagan" and so when saint Ronnie was revealed as a treasonous tool who farked the nation he was "worse than that," and now that Reagan's been rebranded Carter is just, "teh worst evar" for no clear or definitive reason.
 
2013-11-09 10:42:47 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters


How do you know we don't?
 
2013-11-09 10:50:42 AM  

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?


Because they are terrified of dying. When you're raptured you get to skip death. The fear of dying is a powerful thing, more powerful than their faith. STudies show that being religious doesn't alleviate the fear of death, and even in some cases makes it worse.
 
2013-11-09 10:51:44 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


1) As the person who spoke first and declared my faith, you're wrong.
2) Accepting money from such a group for someone who doesn't do many appearances these days is rather telling about the kind of company he kept while in office and keeps now.
 
2013-11-09 10:53:52 AM  
www.theage.com.au
 
2013-11-09 10:55:10 AM  
We already know that GW Bush is retarded though.
 
2013-11-09 10:58:30 AM  

machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).


When you associate yourself with a group that has an agenda, you cannot then turn around and act all surprised or offended that people are now associating you with that group. GW Bush is a big boy who could have refused the money and avoided criticism, he chose not to.
 
2013-11-09 11:01:02 AM  
Well, this atheist is interested in the "spiritual matters"  I do not comprehend.  Could you list some of them please so I may study them.
 
2013-11-09 11:01:08 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: We already know that GW Bush is retarded though.


"I read this, and you give me a bag of money? Okay, then."
 
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