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(MSNBC)   Carter has his Habitat for Humanity. Clinton has his Global Initiative. GW Bush does fundraising for an apocalyptic evangelical group that wants money to convert Jews to Christianity so Jesus will come back   (msnbc.com) divider line 203
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2013-11-09 07:48:54 AM  
As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.
 
2013-11-09 08:03:02 AM  
George W. Bush: The gift that keeps on giving.
 
2013-11-09 08:07:44 AM  

enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?


Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made? Though, for many of the ones doing fundraising and pulling money out of it, I imagine it's more about fleecing the rubes than about any belief that the Rapture is an actual thing.
 
2013-11-09 08:09:23 AM  

mamoru: Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made? Though, for many of the ones doing fundraising and pulling money out of it, I imagine it's more about fleecing the rubes than about any belief that the Rapture is an actual thing.


As Ron Hubbard supposedly said, if you want to get really filthy rich, you have to start a religion.
 
2013-11-09 08:16:10 AM  
the people who beilieve in rapture should be forced to buy insurance for the damage they will likely cause when they pop out
 
2013-11-09 08:19:01 AM  
This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.
 
2013-11-09 08:22:15 AM  

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.


Doesn't this run counter to every other belief they may hold? If you believe that you were created with a purpose, part of some great plan, then refusing to do anything with your life, talents and abilities is an affront to God and everything he had given you. And doesn't it also contradict an idea of an all-powerful, all-knowing God? When his hand can be forced by man's actions? Does God have a checklist for the apocalypse? "Well I was planning on going golfing today but it seems they finally got that last Jew. Peter, can you hold the fort? BRB"
 
2013-11-09 08:24:35 AM  

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.


If a Muslim admitted the types of things these End Times whacks do, they'd never see the light of day outside Gitmo again...and probably even in Gitmo.

It's about time we called anyone who's actively trying to bring about the "End Times" what they are: terrorists.
 
2013-11-09 08:25:17 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


Probably. It's not like there is much of anything to comprehend. The word "spiritual", when translated from Phoney into English, translates as "some nothing that I want to sell you as something" - or, for that matter, pretty much anything else you want it to mean.
And Fark, of course, is heavily infested with curmudgeons who don't suffer anybody gladly.
So, there you are.
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2013-11-09 08:28:06 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


God isn't going to buttf*ck you.
 
2013-11-09 08:30:49 AM  
When you're actively trying to bring about the End of the World, you need a new hobby.  (to put it very politely)
 
2013-11-09 08:31:34 AM  

Vacation Bible School: Doesn't this run counter to every other belief they may hold? If you believe that you were created with a purpose, part of some great plan, then refusing to do anything with your life, talents and abilities is an affront to God and everything he had given you. And doesn't it also contradict an idea of an all-powerful, all-knowing God? When his hand can be forced by man's actions?


Stop trying to apply any kind of logic to Calvinism.
 
2013-11-09 08:32:44 AM  
Because electing people who think the world is ending will surely set things up nicely for your grandchildren.

/idiots
 
2013-11-09 08:33:07 AM  

kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

God isn't going to buttf*ck you.


He would if you gave him half a chance. You and your whole family.
 
2013-11-09 08:33:16 AM  
I assumed that this was a paid gig for W. Anybody know differently?
 
2013-11-09 08:33:45 AM  
I thought the talking points were that GWB was a dirty liberal.
 
2013-11-09 08:36:30 AM  
His mother should have swirled a metal coat hanger up her twat before he was born.
 
2013-11-09 08:37:31 AM  

kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

God isn't going to buttf*ck you.


Yes he is.
Hard and deep.
He buttf#@ks all of his followers eventually.

Isn't that right, Job?
 
2013-11-09 08:40:44 AM  

dstrick44: kronicfeld: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

God isn't going to buttf*ck you.

Yes he is.
Hard and deep.
He buttf#@ks all of his followers eventually.

Isn't that right, Job?


Naw, he'll just get one of his priests to buttf*ck you.
 
2013-11-09 08:45:49 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


A 23%-er
 
2013-11-09 08:46:16 AM  
If anyone remembers those left behind books, a critic of them pointed out that in the series, certain passages betrayed a stark fear of death.  The rapture has its appeal in certain circles because getting raptured means not having to die.
 
2013-11-09 08:46:54 AM  
Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?
 
2013-11-09 08:48:13 AM  

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.


This 'Rapture' business was never a topic at my church, and rarely anything from Revelations.  There were a few songs on the topic that sounded creepy to me, when I stopped to think about them.

'When we ALLLLL get to Heaven'

So, when we're all dead, it'll be wonderful?
 
2013-11-09 08:49:47 AM  

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


They're both evil, each tainting each other in new ways.  One destroyed Iraq, the other's trying to destroy Everything.
 
2013-11-09 08:50:31 AM  

Vacation Bible School: Does God have a checklist for the apocalypse? "Well I was planning on going golfing today but it seems they finally got that last Jew. Peter, can you hold the fort? BRB"


Revelations has a checklist, but it's interpreted differently (obviously)
 
2013-11-09 08:50:49 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.
 
2013-11-09 08:52:16 AM  

jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.


Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).
 
2013-11-09 08:52:24 AM  

Vacation Bible School: enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.

Doesn't this run counter to every other belief they may hold? If you believe that you were created with a purpose, part of some great plan, then refusing to do anything with your life, talents and abilities is an affront to God and everything he had given you. And doesn't it also contradict an idea of an all-powerful, all-knowing God? When his hand can be forced by man's actions? Does God have a checklist for the apocalypse? "Well I was planning on going golfing today but it seems they finally got that last Jew. Peter, can you hold the fort? BRB"


I used to attend a church that believed in the imminent rapture but they were actually pretty practical about it. The basic teaching was that no man knows the day or the hour so we needed to live spiritually like the Rapture was going to happen tomorrow but financially like we would live to be 100. In other words: always stay right with God but get the jobs, etc you need to support yourself and family and do good in the community while you wait.

Needless to say with that kind of teaching plus no tax exemption (don't want to give the gov't any control), no tithe or collections (only God should see you give) and a bunch of other things we were thought of as weird in the larger evangelical community.
 
2013-11-09 08:52:50 AM  
well, i for one am glad that this apocalyptic zealot was in charge of the nuclear launch codes for eight years!
 
2013-11-09 08:53:22 AM  

mamoru: enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?

Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made? Though, for many of the ones doing fundraising and pulling money out of it, I imagine it's more about fleecing the rubes than about any belief that the Rapture is an actual thing.


I think it was Jesus Camp I was watching that had some of this.  They were going to Israel and giving money to Jews there.  When someone asked the rabbis about it, they said (in effect) "If they're dumb enough to give us money, we'll still take it".

But yeah, I bet there's a lot of fleecing going on, which makes it doubly sad.  I have faith some of these dumbasses who are preaching about hellfire and damnation get to experience it firsthand.
 
2013-11-09 08:54:28 AM  

machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?


Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?
 
2013-11-09 08:56:06 AM  

enry: As a religious person that attends church weekly, this is a complete embarrassment to anyone of faith. Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die? I've watched a few documentaries about these kinds of people and it's just really strange seeing teenagers not have any long term plans because they expect to get raptured tomorrow. Or maybe the next day. They don't know when but it's soon. And to have people actively trying to bring this about are just sick in the head. On behalf of the non whackloons I apologize for this behavior.


I've never understood this kind of thinking either. If you live your life a certain way then what difference does it make whether you're killed by the Apocalypse or hit by a bus?
 
2013-11-09 08:56:29 AM  

mamoru: enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?

Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made?


I think it's more that the rapture would finally be proof to believers and non-believers alike that the believers were right.  Faith is hard.  Even harder in modern times when once miraculous natural phenomena are easily explainable by science.  The rapture is their "I told you so."

I almost feel bad for them.  To wait their entire lives for something that will never come.
 
2013-11-09 08:57:12 AM  

machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).


IIRC he's Episcopal, which I find to be one of the 'saner' ones (full disclosure: so am I, but was raised Catholic). But he was surrounded by people from that group e.g. Ashcroft, so I'm not giving him a pass for this.
 
2013-11-09 08:58:13 AM  
Of course, groups like this were also helping to write our foreign policy while Chimpy here was in the White House.

They were looking for ways to use US power to get the Jews back to Jerusalem, convert them to 'Christianity', and end the world.
 
2013-11-09 08:58:18 AM  

apoptotic: machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?


In this case, probably.

/rare case I know, but these people are really really scary
 
2013-11-09 09:00:14 AM  
machoprogrammer:.Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

If you don't want people to think that you endorse the views of a group of whackos, it's a good idea to not accept money to give a speech at one of their fundraisers.
 
2013-11-09 09:00:36 AM  
catmandu:
I used to attend a church that believed in the imminent rapture but they were actually pretty practical about it. The basic teaching was that no man knows the day or the hour so we needed to live spiritually like the Rapture was going to happen tomorrow but financially like we would live to be 100. In other words: always stay right with God but get the jobs, etc you need to support yourself and family and do good in the community while you wait.

Surprisingly logical except for the "religion" part.  It's no secret that history is littered with the remains of groups who believed the end times were happening next week and threw away their worldy lives to prepare for it, only to end up broke, homeless and not in heaven.
 
2013-11-09 09:00:55 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


Of course he was paid to attend.  He was the headliner; did you not see the website advertising "an evening with A President"?

Or does the fact that he accepted money for his appearance in some way lessen or abdicate his endorsement of the organisation to whom he lent his name, likeness, and time?
 
2013-11-09 09:01:36 AM  
The convenient thing about Dubya was that his country-wrecking policies were largely based on an immediate, secular agenda driven by money, power, and the mass slaughter of innocent people based on political motives.  While he is also a kneeler, and an especially zealous and suicidal one at that, he kept his destructive campaign fixed firmly on Earth, not Heaven.

It's not much, but it's better than what we get with today's crop of GOP tard-babies.
 
2013-11-09 09:01:57 AM  

machoprogrammer: jayhawk88: SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.

Their logo is their organizations abbreviation knocking over a menora. On the front page of their website they have a newsletter signup titled "Why to the Jew first?" I think the problem here is that we comprehend these spiritual matters a little too well.

Considering Bush has never shown any signs of belonging to the group, it is more likely they paid him good money to give a speech (as groups often do).


So? If he's an ethical person he'd turn down the offer from these nutcases.
 
2013-11-09 09:02:06 AM  

gnosis301: I thought the talking points were that GWB was a dirty liberal.


W was the rwnj's wet dream until the last 6 months of his presidency when all his policies of the previous 7 1/2 years culminated in a financial meltdown and W felt obligated to do something about it.
 
2013-11-09 09:02:57 AM  
The weaponized gospel of Jesus.
 
2013-11-09 09:03:18 AM  

SauronWasFramed: This thread should be exciting.  It will be filled with comments from atheists, agnostics, and liberals that have zero comprehension of spiritual matters commenting about an article from a site that cites Mother Jones about a speech Bush was likely paid big money to attend.


I love these preemptive strikes where right wingers declare that you're a poopyhead whose opinion is meaningless in advance.. Right out of the Beck/Limpbaugh/Goebbels playbook.
 
2013-11-09 09:03:49 AM  

ArgusRun: mamoru: enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?

Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made?

I think it's more that the rapture would finally be proof to believers and non-believers alike that the believers were right.  Faith is hard.  Even harder in modern times when once miraculous natural phenomena are easily explainable by science.  The rapture is their "I told you so."

I almost feel bad for them.  To wait their entire lives for something that will never come.


Reminds me of a certain dolt whose life revolved around the idea of the collapse of the U.S.
 
2013-11-09 09:05:25 AM  

enry: apoptotic: machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?

In this case, probably.

/rare case I know, but these people are really really scary


Honestly, this is one of the problems with America.  "Oh, it's okay, I'm only saying it for money" makes it okay because profit motive is seen as a positive value to have in this world, or at least a pretty minor sin.
 
2013-11-09 09:06:04 AM  

mamoru: enry: Why want to be raptured if you already believe you're going to heaven when you die?

Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made? Though, for many of the ones doing fundraising and pulling money out of it, I imagine it's more about fleecing the rubes than about any belief that the Rapture is an actual thing.


During the last fake rapture, I read an article about a family spending everything they had so when the rapture came around, they would have no money or anything. I didn't find a follow up article, but I hope it involved Child Services saving the children from that hellhole.
 
2013-11-09 09:06:12 AM  

CheatCommando: mamoru: Because they think they'll be able to avoid responsibility for the stupid decisions they are making or have made? Though, for many of the ones doing fundraising and pulling money out of it, I imagine it's more about fleecing the rubes than about any belief that the Rapture is an actual thing.

As Ron Hubbard Rand Paul supposedly said, if you want to get really filthy rich, you have to start a religion.

 
2013-11-09 09:07:58 AM  

enry: apoptotic: machoprogrammer: Is this one of those things where the group paid Bush to speak and now everyone thinks he automatically thinks and believes everything the group believes?

Is this one of those things where being an intellectual whore is somehow better than sharing the beliefs of the group being spoken to?

In this case, probably.

/rare case I know, but these people are really really scary


I don't think legitimizing really really scary is any better than actually being really really scary.
 
2013-11-09 09:10:14 AM  
It's a very worthwhile cause. I hope he still has the Mission Accomplished banner for when Our Lord returns.
 
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